Contributor Post Created with Sketch. Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. Another Interesting Idea out of Russia

 

So why am I starting a post with God Save the Tsar, a song not seriously sung in over a century? Because the biggest new idea out of Russia seems to be a revival of the monarchy. Seriously.

It seems to be an effort to keep Putin in power after he finishes his second term as Russia’s president and cannot stay in that office again (or return to it). Revive the monarchy and name Vladimir Putin as Tsar. (He would be Vladimir IV, and the first new Tsar Vladimir since the 12th century.)

It seems there are a few issues to be ironed out. Will the revived Tsar be an autocrat like the previous one or a constitutional monarch like the current Queen Elizabeth II? How will the succession work? Will the position of Tsar be inheritable, and if so, must it pass down the male line or can Tsarinas rule? (Putin only has daughters.) Another possibility is Tsar would be an elective office, but one elected for life. (The game plan there is for the Russian Parliament to elect the Tsar rather than the people.) Don’t laugh. There have been elective kings in history. That is how the Holy Roman Emperors were chosen.

If you are interested in all the ghastly details, here is an article discussing the concept.

As a student of history, I am not quite sure how to feel. I should be appalled or amused. (After all, I once used the handle “No Truce With Kings.”) Yet, face it. Many so-called “presidents,” “premiers,” “first citizens,” and “chairmen” are really kings, emperors, and tsars by other names. Could a real one be worse?

Meanwhile, if you want to brush up on the lyrics, here is a second round of the anthem. This one with words.

Yes, they are in Russian. What did you expect?

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  1. She Reagan
    SheJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Seawriter: So why am I starting a post with God Save the Tsar, a song not seriously sung in over a century?

    I dunno. They look pretty serious to me. And the conductor’s mustache is simply magnificent.

    Seawriter: Yet, face it. Many so-called “presidents,” “premiers,” “first citizens,” and “chairmen” are really kings, emperors, and tsars by other names. Could a real one be worse?

    Quite possibly. In fact, I’d say, in this case, most definitely.

    Gosh, that whole thing is bizarre. But I wouldn’t put anything past Vladimir Putin. In one of the few moments of fondness I was ever able to muster for John McCain, I remember him riffing on George W Bush’s line that he’d looked into Putin’s eyes and gotten “a sense of his soul,” by saying that he (McCain) had looked into Putin’s eyes and “seen three letters: A “K,” a “G,” and a “B.”

    I think I read somewhere that McCain may actually have stolen that line from Colin Powell. Either way, it pretty much nails Putin. Because a leopard, you know, spots.

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    • December 14, 2018, at 6:40 PM PST
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  2. Mark Camp Member

    There isn’t any good form of government for a society as backward as the former USSR. Whatever form happens to take shape will be good for those in charge and bad for the masses of ordinary people. Good for the ranchers, bad for their beeves.

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    • December 14, 2018, at 7:58 PM PST
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  3. Arahant Member

    Seawriter: There have been elective kings in history. That is how the Holy Roman Emperors were chosen.

    And the Papacy is also an elective monarchy with leader chosen by something equivalent to the parliament.

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    • December 14, 2018, at 8:37 PM PST
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  4. Arahant Member

    I think it very interesting the number of people who stood for it.

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    • December 14, 2018, at 8:42 PM PST
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  5. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member

    Seawriter: So why am I starting a post with God Save the Tsar, a song not seriously sung in over a century?

    Don’t tell the Choral Society of Washington DC that they aren’t seriously singing it every July 4th. (God Save the Tsar begins at 1:20)

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    • December 14, 2018, at 8:43 PM PST
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  6. Hartmann von Aue Member

    You know, I have been jokingly calling him Czar Vladimir IV for a while in private conservations whenever his name comes up. Which is to say… I am not at all surprised that someone would propose naming him Czar in all earnestness. Not that I necessarily think it would be a good development but that I am not surprised in the least. 

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    • December 15, 2018, at 1:41 AM PST
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  7. Seawriter Contributor
    Seawriter

    Arahant (View Comment):

    I think it very interesting the number of people who stood for it.

    I noticed that, too. Didn’t mention it because I wanted to see who else did.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 4:27 AM PST
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  8. Valiuth Member
    ValiuthJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Shouldn’t it be Tsar Putin? Or maybe upon being crowned he will assume a new name. I think Putin should take a DNA test that will prove he is in fact a decedent of the Romanov, Capet, Plantagenet, and Medici families. 

     

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    • December 15, 2018, at 5:42 AM PST
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  9. Kozak Member
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    • December 15, 2018, at 5:43 AM PST
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  10. Seawriter Contributor
    Seawriter

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Shouldn’t it be Tsar Putin? Or maybe upon being crowned he will assume a new name. I think Putin should take a DNA test that will prove he is in fact a decedent of the Romanov, Capet, Plantagenet, and Medici families.

     

    I think he would rather be a descendant than a decedent.

    But should he take the test, I am sure it would show he could trace 1:1024 of his ancestry to each family.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 6:40 AM PST
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  11. Doug Watt Moderator

    Well there was Ivan the Terrible, Peter the Great, Catherine the Great, and although Stalin was not a Czar he was known as The Breaker of Nations. I think in Putin’s case I’ll opt for Vlad the Shirtless.

     

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    • December 15, 2018, at 7:24 AM PST
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  12. Percival Thatcher
    PercivalJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    The new Seal of the Tsar of all the Russias:

    • #12
    • December 15, 2018, at 7:37 AM PST
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  13. Percival Thatcher
    PercivalJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    She (View Comment):
    In one of the few moments of fondness I was ever able to muster for John McCain, I remember him riffing on George W Bush’s line that he’d looked into Putin’s eyes and gotten “a sense of his soul,” by saying that he (McCain) had looked into Putin’s eyes and “seen three letters: A “K,” a “G,” and a “B.”

    I knew someone would finally remember something so that I could go back to liking McCain a little.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 7:39 AM PST
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  14. Flicker Coolidge

    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    I think in Putin’s case I’ll opt for Vlad the Shirtless.

    Wasn’t there a Vlad the Impaler?

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    • December 15, 2018, at 1:14 PM PST
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  15. Flicker Coolidge

    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    I think in Putin’s case I’ll opt for Vlad the Shirtless.

    That sounds so weak and puny (spoken with an Austrian accent). Now Vlad the Bare-chested sounds right. 

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    • December 15, 2018, at 2:02 PM PST
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  16. She Reagan
    SheJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Percival (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):
    In one of the few moments of fondness I was ever able to muster for John McCain, I remember him riffing on George W Bush’s line that he’d looked into Putin’s eyes and gotten “a sense of his soul,” by saying that he (McCain) had looked into Putin’s eyes and “seen three letters: A “K,” a “G,” and a “B.”

    I knew someone would finally remember something so that I could go back to liking McCain a little.

    Think nothing of it. Vivo ut serviam.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 2:03 PM PST
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  17. Hang On Member
    Hang OnJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Why do we always look at Russia with Western eyes? Russia is in Europe but not European – never has been, never will be. You have to buy the nonsense that all countries follow the same evolutionary path to think that it ever will be.

    Russia is too large and important to ignore. Russia will make its presence felt. 

    I hope he does become a new tsar and it will be hereditary with his daughters coming to the throne. It will give Russia stability, which we should hope for. 

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    • December 15, 2018, at 2:05 PM PST
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  18. She Reagan
    SheJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    That photo of Putin on the bear is creepy. I can’t see whether or not there’s a perfect crease in his pant leg, but perhaps Russian women (or even Chris Matthews) look at it and feel a thrill, somewhere. De gustibus non est disputandum, I guess. Ugh.

    Do bears actually run like that? With both front feet off the ground at once? Or is the bear stuffed, with a central pole holding him up, like a carousel horse? The bold (and probably Photoshopped) splashing would hide that, of course. The bear also looks extremely happy and carefully posed. (He’s smiling, I think.) Just the way Putin would want his bear to look. I’m suspicious as to whether he’s even alive, or if he came from the Moscow Taxidermy Museum (surely there is one).

    At any rate, that’s the sort of thing that runs through my mind when I come across that photo unexpectedly (that’s the only way I ever do come across it). The bear is much more interesting than the man, I think.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 2:16 PM PST
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  19. Seawriter Contributor
    Seawriter

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    I think in Putin’s case I’ll opt for Vlad the Shirtless.

    Wasn’t there a Vlad the Impaler?

    He wasn’t Russian.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 2:33 PM PST
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  20. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge

    So? Why not a Tzar? Do the Russians not have a right to govern themselves as they seem fit?

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    • December 15, 2018, at 2:40 PM PST
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  21. Arahant Member

    She (View Comment):
    That photo of Putin on the bear is creepy.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 4:25 PM PST
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  22. Arahant Member

    She (View Comment):
    Do bears actually run like that?

    Yes. The photo manipulation was simply putting Vlad on the bear, but the bear is real and alive. If you search for images of “bear running,” you will see many examples where the feet are off the ground. You might even find the original picture that was made from.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 4:30 PM PST
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  23. James Gawron Thatcher
    James GawronJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    So? Why not a Tzar? Do the Russians not have a right to govern themselves as they seem fit?

    FJ / JG,

    This is a perfectly legitimate question. The very same people who are most hysterically afraid of the Russians have no problem that Juncker will not be standing ever for re-election because he was never elected in the first place. They seem not to notice that the EU parliament is a rubber stamp with no power to actually legislate. This doesn’t bother them in the least. Their inconsistency is just astounding.

    After the English Revolution, the monarch was put back on the throne except without the Divine Right of King’s power. Parliament was securely in control of legislation and continues to this day. If the Russians were to actually take that as a model, and I’m not going to certify in any way that they would, then their government would have more democratic legitimacy than the EU.

    We are living in a world whose values have been massively distorted by brainless socialists in the last 30 years. We are to the point where we barely know up from down. Those guys in the yellow vests are speaking for the whole human race at this point.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • December 15, 2018, at 6:32 PM PST
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  24. She Reagan
    SheJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):
    That photo of Putin on the bear is creepy.

    Crimenutely.

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    • December 15, 2018, at 8:41 PM PST
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  25. Boss Mongo Member

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Concur.

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    • December 16, 2018, at 11:33 AM PST
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  26. Boss Mongo Member

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    • December 16, 2018, at 11:45 AM PST
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  27. Susan Quinn Contributor

    Seawriter: As a student of history I am not quite sure how to feel. I should be appalled or amused.(After all, I once used the handle No Truce With Kings.) Yet, face it. Many so-called “presidents,” “premiers,” “first citizens,” and “chairmen” are really kings, emperors, and tsars by other names. Could a real one be worse?

    My sentiments exactly.

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    • December 16, 2018, at 12:05 PM PST
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  28. RufusRJones Member

    Hang On (View Comment):
    It will give Russia stability,

    I forget what the guys name was, but I heard a Russia expert say if you polled Russians, they literally prefer a police state to chaos. I guess it’s a big worry over there. 

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    • December 16, 2018, at 2:36 PM PST
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  29. RufusRJones Member

    Ten minute podcast on why monarchy is superior.

    On this week’s episode, we feature a past talk given by Hans-Hermann Hoppe highlighting some of the key points he makes in his book Democracy: The God That Failed. The subject seems particularly topical as American elites have become increasingly comfortable dropping the façade of democracy, with the Washington establishment becoming increasingly transparent in their intentions to undercut the success of populist campaigns, such as Donald Trump’s.

    Hoppe’s lecture not only shows how democratic elections often lead to bad results, but illustrates how political democracy is often incompatible with human liberty. True democracy is instead found in the marketplace, with voluntary actors free of the threat of government force.

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    • December 16, 2018, at 2:41 PM PST
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  30. Clifford A. Brown Contributor

    Putin has been called czar for years now. It is accurate and unmasks the continuity of the Russian Empire. Understand that we have always been dealing with the Russian Empire and you get to understand patterns of Russian/Soviet behavior over the centuries.

    A year ago, the Economist wrote of Putin: “As the world marks the centenary of the October Revolution, Russia is once again under the rule of the tsar.”

    https://www.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/640-width/images/print-edition/20171028_LDD001_1.jpg

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    • December 16, 2018, at 2:55 PM PST
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