The Desecration of a Cathedral in Vienna

 

Let me say at the outset that raising money to battle the scourge of AIDS is a good thing. Doing so by putting on a satanic celebration in a consecrated Catholic cathedral is horrific. Sadly, or shockingly, that’s what Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, in his wisdom, permitted in St. Stephen’s Cathedral in Vienna a few days ago. As Tradition In Action reports:

A man stands on top of the altar rail of St. Stephen’s Cathedral with an open camo-jacket showing his belly and holding a bottle of beer. He walks like a drunk, he sings like a lunatic, he acts like one possessed. On the same rail are skulls, candles and jars, giving the impression of a satanic orgy. During his performance other macabre and delirious-looking actors and actresses enter the scene. Then, devils appear onstage and flaunt their seductive cajoleries.

Regrettably or thankfully, no videos of this most recent desecration have surfaced. Cardinal Schönborn, in his zeal, has permitted the use of the cathedral before for raising funds for battling AIDS but also to celebrate alternative lifestyles traditionally not permitted by the Church including, according to Norvus Ordo Watch:

 …“youth masses” (that) have featured everything from a “cardinal” sending text messages during “Mass,” to psychedelic vestments, role plays, stage diving, superstitious “care dolls,” throwing paper planes, pornography displayed during a sermon, rock music, disco lights, artificial smoke, flame throwers, balloons, and exceptionally provocative, ambiguous, and blasphemous event theme titles (such as “Topless,” “The Spirit is Sexy,” and “Take It All Off”).

Here is a video from an earlier celebration in the cathedral:

Father Johannes Maria Schwarz, is an Austrian priest with a great deal more sense than the Viennese Cardinal, and a greater understanding of the sacred and the profane, commented on the recent desecration as Life Site News reports:

“I am ashamed of my Church in this and in other questions,” he writes. “We do not fear the Almighty anymore! Nothing is anymore holy for us! We trample upon the souls that are entrusted to us!” There would surely have been another way of promoting the “great initiative of Father Gerhard Lagleder,” who works with HIV patients, Father Schwarz politely adds. Moreover, Schwarz saw that Hochmair the actor was dancing on the communion rail, “with a bottle of beer(?) and microphone” in hand, with Cardinal Schönborn observing from the first row.

The communion rail is an “extension of the altar,” Schwarz pointed out.

“Did one now really forget the significance of the altar rail?” he asks. “Also at St. Stephens’ Cathedral? That is to say, there where the faithful, at all Masses, still receive the Living God at that holy extension of the altar? It seems so.”

Saint Stephen is venerated as the first martyr of Christianity for promoting Christ’s teaching and denouncing Jewish authorities at the time. He was tried by the Jewish authorities for blasphemy and stoned to death. Saul of Tarsus (later Paul, the Apostle) witnessed his execution. The first church honoring the saint in Vienna was completed in 1160 and was made much larger into the cathedral that stands today around 1511.

Keep in mind that Schönborn is considered in some circles to be one of the more conservative and orthodox cardinals. Not sure if those circles include pentagrams or not.

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There are 27 comments.

  1. Coolidge

    Disgusting.

    As a former Catholic, I used to tell my Protestant friends: the Catholics understand better than us what the word “holy” means. It would seem this is less true today than it has been.

     

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    • December 11, 2018, at 10:01 AM PDT
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  2. Member

    So why would Satanists want to raise money for AIDS? Or are they raising the money to spread AIDS? That would seem like a thing Satan would be into. 

    It is a wonderful thing that all of these old Gothic Churches are open to the public. They are a testament to the heritage of the past, and lovely sights to behold. But first and foremost they have to remain churches. Holy places of worship, not just glorified tourist sites where any old thing can occur and does. Bishops should know better, parish priests should know better too and stand up to their bishops when they are wrong. The parishioners should also know better and stand up when both priests and bishops are wrong. 

     

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    • December 11, 2018, at 10:04 AM PDT
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    Brian Watt Post author

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So why would Satanists want to raise money for AIDS? Or are they raising the money to spread AIDS? That would seem like a thing Satan would be into.

    It is a wonderful thing that all of these old Gothic Churches are open to the public. They are a testament to the heritage of the past, and lovely sights to behold. But first and foremost they have to remain churches. Holy places of worship, not just glorified tourist sites where any old thing can occur and does. Bishops should know better, parish priests should know better too and stand up to their bishops when they are wrong. The parishioners should also know better and stand up when both priests and bishops are wrong.

    It’s difficult to imagine what was going through the cardinal’s mind in this case. The performers appear to have been given carte blanche to do whatever they wanted and Schönborn just didn’t care. If Schönborn was stepped through the planned performance did he react gleefully at the idea of horned satanic demons with skin-tight costumes that displayed flames on their crotches; and skulls and candles on the altar rail? If the cardinal had seen a rehearsal or the plan for the performance beforehand, then presumably he was titillated and delighted.

    • #3
    • December 11, 2018, at 10:18 AM PDT
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    Brian Watt Post author

    By the way, no word from the pope or the anyone at the Vatican condemning this recent desecration. Odds are Bergoglio and his Lavender hierarchy were also titillated and delighted by it.

    • #4
    • December 11, 2018, at 10:21 AM PDT
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  5. Moderator

    It’s revolting.

    • #5
    • December 11, 2018, at 10:22 AM PDT
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  6. Member

    Brian Watt: Keep in mind that Schönborn is considered in some circles to be one of the more conservative and orthodox cardinals.

    He might have been at one point years ago, but he no longer is – he is just a Bergoglio sycophant now.

    Schönborn was the one whom Pope Francis called the official interpreter of Amoris Laetitia. And it was Schönborn who said AL was a “linguistic event” – not solid, orthodox, Catholic teaching mind you – but a “linguistic event”.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 10:38 AM PDT
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  7. Inactive

    The German church should be under interdict. The hold the sacraments hostage if the tax isn’t paid, and renting out church’s for fund raisers is a desecration.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 10:46 AM PDT
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    SkipSul (View Comment):

    It’s revolting.

    It is also just kind of silly ins’t it. These “Satanists” are a bad parody of themselves, and frankly skin tight suits, flames, and suggestive dancing is basically describing a Britney Spears music video back in the day (2001). How many 80’s hair metal bands didn’t use “Satan” on their album covers? I mean KISS probably has a more coherent philosophy than any Satanist group I’ve ever heard. 

    But here is the thing. The “Satanists” are silly, raising money for helping people suffering from AIDS is certainly good. The Church should ignore these stupid weirdos, and just because they want to do something good doesn’t mean the Church needs to sink to their level of shtick to help them. You need some sense of propriety, decorum, dignity. That isn’t too much to ask for is it? 

    And perhaps the Bishop thinks he is being welcoming and tolerant, but even Jesus threw people out of the Temple by force who were not treating it with the proper reverence by conducting their daily business on its grounds like it were some common plaza. 

     

     

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    • December 11, 2018, at 11:55 AM PDT
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  9. Member
    Brian Watt Post author

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    SkipSul (View Comment):

    It’s revolting.

    It is also just kind of silly ins’t it. These “Satanists” are a bad parody of themselves, and frankly skin tight suits, flames, and suggestive dancing is basically describing a Britney Spears music video back in the day (2001). How many 80’s hair metal bands didn’t use “Satan” on their album covers? I mean KISS probably has a more coherent philosophy than any Satanist group I’ve ever heard.

    But here is the thing. The “Satanists” are silly, raising money for helping people suffering from AIDS is certainly good. The Church should ignore these stupid weirdos, and just because they want to do something good doesn’t mean the Church needs to sink to their level of shtick to help them. You need some sense of propriety, decorum, dignity. That isn’t too much to ask for is it?

    And perhaps the Bishop thinks he is being welcoming and tolerant, but even Jesus threw people out of the Temple by force who were not treating it with the proper reverence by conducting their daily business on its grounds like it were some common plaza.

    This is just a prelude of a greater spectacle to come. Consider this just the warm-up band. And looking for a priest, bishop, or cardinal to emulate Christ and toss these idiots and other clerics out on their ear, at this stage, may be a vain hope. Correction and punishment won’t come from the Vatican anytime soon. It may fall to the laity to take up Christ’s example and begin to (over)turn the tables.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 12:10 PM PDT
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  10. Contributor

    Or as they call it in the Sacristy, “foreplay.”

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    • December 11, 2018, at 1:13 PM PDT
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  11. Coolidge

    At first I was thinking that maybe this was some kind of “Un-Black Metal” group, but reading about the singer in the link, that seems highly unlikely.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 1:40 PM PDT
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    So why would Satanists want to raise money for AIDS? Or are they raising the money to spread AIDS? That would seem like a thing Satan would be into. 

    The Church of Satan and satanism generally isn’t a religion so much as a way to cheese off the establishment. Your standard satanist doesn’t actually believe in Satan, he’s just looking for a way to annoy people. He might be fine with glorifying ‘evil’ when that’s evil in the sense of pissing on the sacred, but that doesn’t mean he considers himself evil by his own lights. That is, he can be in favor of good things like AIDS research.

    Generally speaking satanism is only philosophically coherent when you’re thinking in terms of counter-cultural squealing.

    One might consider that certain cardinals might not believe in God and hence might be fine with people pissing on the sacred so long as they’re doing good in the cardinal’s estimation. Coherent, but self-defeating in the estimation of those of us who believe in the Living God.

    Whether or not this guy keeps his job seems like an indicator of how much the higher church hierarchy actually believes what it’s preaching.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 1:57 PM PDT
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  13. Coolidge

    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So why would Satanists want to raise money for AIDS? 

    Heh. Most ‘Satanists’ are simply atheist trolls who are contemptuous of Christianity. In that sense, they are no different than most progressive activist, and being seen to promote AIDS charities is trendy, and in their minds something of a rebuke against Christian morality, as its popularly seen as a disease afflicting people with lifestyles frowned upon by traditional Churches.* Not that AIDS charities are a bad thing, but in this case its a lot like the French National Front pointedly feeding the homeless in largely Muslim areas some kind of traditional pork soup.

    Though to be fair, most ‘Satanist’ of the Lavey variety are better described as Objectivist than progressive.

    *Definitely not the case in Sub-Saharan Africa, of course, even Jesse Helms underwent a change of heart after learning that.

     

     

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    • December 11, 2018, at 2:06 PM PDT
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    So why would Satanists want to raise money for AIDS? Or are they raising the money to spread AIDS? That would seem like a thing Satan would be into.

    That does sound more like the thing Satan would be into. I think these guys are into dress-up. There seem to be lots of new names for dress-up, these days.

     

     

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    • December 11, 2018, at 2:12 PM PDT
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  15. Coolidge

    Hank Rhody, Red Hunter (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    So why would Satanists want to raise money for AIDS? Or are they raising the money to spread AIDS? That would seem like a thing Satan would be into.

    The Church of Satan and satanism generally isn’t a religion so much as a way to cheese off the establishment. Your standard satanist doesn’t actually believe in Satan, he’s just looking for a way to annoy people. He might be fine with glorifying ‘evil’ when that’s evil in the sense of pissing on the sacred, but that doesn’t mean he considers himself evil by his own lights. That is, he can be in favor of good things like AIDS research.

    Generally speaking satanism is only philosophically coherent when you’re thinking in terms of counter-cultural squealing.

    Heh. You beat me to it.

    I’m actually a fan of a lot of Metal music with ‘Satanic’ themes, but this spectacle in a functioning Church seems more along the lines of being a [jerk] for [spits] and giggles.

     

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    • December 11, 2018, at 2:14 PM PDT
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    Brian Watt Post author

    Then, of course, there are satanists who take their allegiance to Satan quite seriously, as this former satanist explains in this interview with Life Site News (a traditional Catholic news outlet). The interview contains disturbing and graphic material that I would prefer not to excerpt here on Ricochet. There have also been other testimonials from those who have encountered active satanists throughout the entertainment community who have stated that it is their goal to bring down the Catholic Church, for what it’s worth, suffice to say that sometimes it’s not always “dress-up” or play acting:

    L.I. – Tell me about the first abortion you ever did as a satanic ritual.

    King – The first one I did was about 3 months before turning 15. It took place in a farm house that was surprisingly more sterile than many of the other abortion clinics I had done abortions in. There was an abortion doctor and an abortion nurse. There was a woman in stirrups about to have a baby who was surrounded by 13 top members of our coven, which were all high priests and priestesses. I was inside the circle with the woman and the abortion doctor. All the adult members of my coven were there. There were several women kneeling on the floor, swaying back and forth chanting “our body and ourselves” over and over again. Off to the side were several male members of our coven all chanting and praying. The ritual started at 11:45 at night, and the spell began at midnight, which is the witching hour, and the actual death of the child happened at 3:00 am, which is called the devil’s hour.

    The description of this event continues and gets more sickening.

    The performers for the benefit in St. Stephens Cathedral may or may not be devoted satanists or actively involved in satanic rituals in their private time. Who can really say? Even if they’re just everyday wholesome folks, one has to wonder what their motivation was to put on such a display and whether they were really clueless that they were desecrating a holy site. Recently they’ve been in service to a cardinal of the Catholic Church which is disturbing enough.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 2:46 PM PDT
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  17. Member

    Wow – if I didn’t see it, I would say it was the new deep fake news. Is the clergy and this particular fellow just plain out of his mind? How absolutely shameful.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 5:15 PM PDT
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  18. Coolidge
    TBA

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Brian Watt: Keep in mind that Schönborn is considered in some circles to be one of the more conservative and orthodox cardinals.

    He might have been at one point years ago, but he no longer is – he is just a Bergoglio sycophant now.

    Schönborn was the one whom Pope Francis called the official interpreter of Amoris Laetitia. And it was Schönborn who said AL was a “linguistic event” – not solid, orthodox, Catholic teaching mind you – but a “linguistic event”.

     Well, he clearly knows from events. 

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    • December 11, 2018, at 5:58 PM PDT
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  19. Inactive

    So it sounds like, this was an AIDS concert to promote AIDS and AIDS awareness. Subtle. Very subtle.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 5:58 PM PDT
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  20. Coolidge
    TBA

    Before I start, let me say that I agree with the following points: 
    – the Bishop showed staggeringly poor judgement
    – and as far as I understand the rules, misused/desecrated or helped others to misuse/desecrate a sanctified space 

    Where I part ways is the ‘Satanic’ portion of our show. The actor has no connection to capital or lower-case satanism as far as I could find. The show wasn’t put together for this event, but has been a touring thing. 

    My point, I suppose, is that the content of the show, or the content of the showmen are blameless; it’s all on the Bishop. 

     

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    • December 11, 2018, at 6:17 PM PDT
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  21. Member

    It seems the smirk of Satan has indeed entered the church. I visited St. Stephens last September. The green-haired, um person?, operating the elevator which takes visitors up the bell tower had rap music playing on a small radio tucked up in the ceiling of the lift. I lost count of the f-words during the short ride to the top.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 6:41 PM PDT
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  22. Thatcher

    Given the things that have been going on in the Catholic Church lately, I wonder how many priests have gotten AIDS themselves. Does anyone keep track? That might be instructive about the aforementioned Lavender Mafia.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 6:43 PM PDT
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    Brian Watt Post author

    TBA (View Comment):
    Where I part ways is the ‘Satanic’ portion of our show. The actor has no connection to capital or lower-case satanism as far as I could find. The show wasn’t put together for this event, but has been a touring thing. 

    “…a touring thing” with satanic costumes and imagery just to keep our festive theme going. Was that what appealed to the cardinal? I mean I realize that Rodgers & Hammerstein or the Von Trapp Family Singers (an Austrian group) are passé…but, it wasn’t even Cole Porter, which in a sense might have been more appropriate…just not in a cathedral. When you’re looking to get “faithful” Austrians to donate to a good cause, there’s nothing like a demonic spectacle in a cathedral to get the money flowing apparently. Question, why have any fundraiser held in a cathedral? There aren’t other Viennese venues that would suffice? Or was this deliberately designed to be a desecration? And honestly, just how stupid is this cardinal?

    But yes, it is all on the cardinal (not bishop). I’m sure the Vatican will confer a special award upon him.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 6:51 PM PDT
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  24. Member

    Horrible. Evil. I’m angry at this sort of thing and yet tired of it. I want to worship as a Christian Catholic without this. Pope Francis has been a disaster.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 7:31 PM PDT
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  25. Coolidge
    TBA

    St. Hendrix brings you glad tidings; “Castles made of sand fall in the sea.” 

    Edit: fixed lyric quote.

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    • December 11, 2018, at 11:19 PM PDT
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    Franz Drumlin (View Comment):

    It seems the smirk of Satan has indeed entered the church. I visited St. Stephens last September. The green-haired, um person?, operating the elevator which takes visitors up the bell tower had rap music playing on a small radio tucked up in the ceiling of the lift. I lost count of the f-words during the short ride to the top.

    Could you elaborate on this? Which St. Stephens church? Who was swearing in the elevator and why? Good grief – it could be a SNL skit – entering an elevator in a cathedral and then being asked…going up….or down……? Get my drift?? Sheeshh

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    • December 12, 2018, at 7:55 AM PDT
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):
    Could you elaborate on this? Which St. Stephens church? Who was swearing in the elevator and why? Good grief – it could be a SNL skit – entering an elevator in a cathedral and then being asked…going up….or down……? Get my drift?? Sheeshh

    St. Stephens cathedral, in the center of Vienna. One of the bell towers has a small elevator which takes visitors up to near the top for a nice view of the surrounding area. I assume the young person manning – I’m sorry . . . personning – the elevator spoke English since most people in the tourist areas of Vienna spoke some English so s/he almost certainly was aware of the nature of the rap lyrics trickling down from the small radio. But you’re right about the SNL-skit potential of the situation. We would do well in casting Jon Lovitz as the devil.

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    • December 12, 2018, at 2:49 PM PDT
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