Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. Male PE Teacher Ordered to Watch Girl Undress in Locker Room

 

You’re not having a nightmare. You’re living in a nightmare. Reality has been replaced with a dark, surreal, obscene, and in some cases demonic dream from which you can’t shake yourself awake. If you were skeptical that the warnings about decades-long post-modernist ideology should be taken seriously and just something that an overexcited psychology professor from Canada is getting too worked up about, then consider this sick story out of Florida:

Most parents would assume that refusing to look at a naked child of the opposite sex goes without saying for any teacher, but a school district in Florida has opted to punish a male physical education teacher for attempting to avoid that situation.…

Liberty Counsel is representing gym teachers Robert Oppedisano and Stephanie Christensen at Chasco Middle School (CMS). According to the nonprofit law firm’s letter to the Pasco County school board, the dispute stems from administrators’ decision to allow a female CMS student who “identifies” as a boy to use male restrooms and locker rooms. The district also wants the girl’s “identity” affirmed with male pronouns.…

“I told them I have an issue with it,” Christensen told the Tampa Bay Times last month. “Part of my concern is, if students are allowed to do this, the other kids and their parents have a right to know. It’s their privacy, too.”

“Robert will not knowingly place himself in a position to observe a minor female in the nude or otherwise in a state of undress,” Liberty Counsel writes. “Now, Robert has been told by administrators that he will be transferred to another school as discipline for ‘not doing your job in the locker room.’” The administration also claimed the girl has “every right to use” the boys’ locker room.

I’m not entirely sure why parents haven’t surrounded this school with pitchforks and torches demanding the removal of the administrators of the institution for the perversion of children and the forced perversion of faculty. Oh, wait … perhaps it’s because some parents actually have no moral compass, have bought into the evil claptrap, and/or are abysmally stupid … and the others who are perturbed have simply given up and don’t want to make waves, because, you know, they’re awfully busy and there might be something on TV.

Many years ago a very good and great man warned America:

“You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children’s children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.”― Ronald Reagan, A Time for Choosing: The Speeches of Ronald Reagan, 1961-1982

What are we doing to our children? What are we doing to our world?

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  1. James Lileks Contributor

    and the others who are perturbed have simply given up and don’t want to make waves, because, you know, they’re awfully busy and there might be something on TV.

    I suspect they realize on one level or another that they will be pilloried as the modern equivalent of Klansmen if they raise an objection. It’s not that there’s something on TV. It’s that they don’t want to get a call from HR because they tweeted an objection, got doxed, and had a brigade attacking the company that employed them.

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    • November 17, 2018, at 10:14 PM PST
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  2. Henry Castaigne Member

    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Brian Watt: You’re not having a nightmare. You’re living in a nightmare. Reality has been replaced with a dark, surreal, obscene, and in some cases demonic dream from which you can’t shake yourself awake. If you were skeptical that the warnings about decades-long post-modernist ideology should be taken seriously and just something that an overexcited psychology professor from Canada is getting too worked up about, then consider this sick story out of Florida:

    Brian,

    Yep, and don’t forget that somewhere a 10-year-old is being asked what gender they identify with and will then be subjected to a mutilating surgery and grotesque hormone therapy. I think the deity involved in your demonic dream is Moloch. Of course, all religions are equal in the wonderful world of multi-culturalism.

    Pleasant dreams.

    Regards,

    Jim

    Moloch was a jerk

    • #32
    • November 17, 2018, at 10:24 PM PST
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  3. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    and the others who are perturbed have simply given up and don’t want to make waves, because, you know, they’re awfully busy and there might be something on TV.

    I suspect they realize on one level or another that they will be pilloried as the modern equivalent of Klansmen if they raise an objection. It’s not that there’s something on TV. It’s that they don’t want to get a call from HR because they tweeted an objection, got doxed, and had a brigade attacking the company that employed them.

    Yes, James, very true. I was a bit harsh on this in the OP. There are some things I will not post on Facebook and Twitter for those reasons, though I’m slowly migrating off of Facebook and perhaps soon off Twitter as well. I also learned from a Rico member offline of consequences even more extreme that what you’ve sketched out for someone who challenges the popular transgender narrative. Such is the nightmare we’re living and careful not to offend or fight back for fear of loss of a job, being hounded, or censored on social media. I’m growing increasingly pessimistic about the future and I’m afraid the first steps to a thousand years of darkness that Reagan spoke of may have already been taken.

    • #33
    • November 17, 2018, at 10:42 PM PST
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  4. Ontheleftcoast Member

    Kozak (View Comment):
    Ours kept smacking us on the butt with towels. One teacher was responsible for handing each of us a towel after we showered.

    So did our junior high PE teacher. Who later came out of the closet.

    • #34
    • November 17, 2018, at 11:53 PM PST
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  5. Susan Quinn Contributor

    Parents are probably keeping their mouths shut for a number of reasons: they don’t know about it (although they probably do now); they don’t care; they don’t want to be seen as a “hateful person”; they don’t want their son(s) called out; they don’t want to be called out and seen as a prude. I could go on, but I’m sure they have lots of excuses. So much for parenting.

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    • November 18, 2018, at 9:54 AM PST
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  6. Rodin Member

    Gobsmacked. But it makes sense (not that it is sensible) that if you twist yourselves up intellectually as this school has that you will have these kind of results.

    • #36
    • November 18, 2018, at 10:00 AM PST
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  7. Nanda Panjandrum Inactive

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Moloch was a jerk

    Moloch was/is a non-entity created by jerks, to justify evil, no? 

    • #37
    • November 18, 2018, at 11:06 AM PST
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  8. Richard Fulmer Member

    Freeven (View Comment):

    Even if we accept the nonsense that a person has a “right” to be comfortable, at some point we have to ask how many others must be made uncomfortable to guarantee that “right.”

    Only the feelings of the oppressed are to be protected. Oppressors deserve no such consideration.

    • #38
    • November 18, 2018, at 11:25 AM PST
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  9. Annefy Member

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Parents are probably keeping their mouths shut for a number of reasons: they don’t know about it (although they probably do now); they don’t care; they don’t want to be seen as a “hateful person”; they don’t want their son(s) called out; they don’t want to be called out and seen as a prude. I could go on, but I’m sure they have lots of excuses. So much for parenting.

    First of all, we have no idea what these parents have done to challenge the orthodoxy. All we know is that they haven’t succeeded – we don’t know what their efforts have been. 

    Secondly, it’s impossible to exaggerate the pettiness of administrators and teachers. We all saw how Duke treated the players who were wrongly accused. I’ve witnessed first hand a similar situation where my brother (a college coach) had to fight tooth and nail to get passing credits for some of his players who had been similarly wrongly accused. And that was after Duke – no lessons learned from that debacle. 

    Thirdly, parents are reeling trying to deal with a thousand issues that previous generations have no experience with. Disagree with your pediatrician’s advice? I tell all young mothers to nod and smile in an agreeable fashion. Do not disagree. And if you get a second opinion, pay cash and don’t inform the original doctor.

    Do you know that parents have been threatened with a call to CPS for missed dental appointments?

    Someone earlier mentioned that parents’ voices are listened to. Not the case in California. Not even close. 

    My experience is that parents are trying to do their best under very trying and frankly terrifying circumstances. The power of the state, and the amount of people willing to abuse it, is legion. 

    • #39
    • November 18, 2018, at 11:35 AM PST
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  10. James Gawron Thatcher
    James GawronJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Moloch was a jerk

    Moloch was/is a non-entity created by jerks, to justify evil, no?

    Nanda,

    Well, Nanda, you are most certainly correct. However, the Torah is very explicit about the danger from Moloch. It is your duty to resist Moloch and his followers in every way.

    The vocalization Molek occurs eight times in the Masoretic Text, predominantly (five times) in Leviticus:

    • Leviticus 18:21 “And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.”
    • Leviticus 20:2: “Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.”
    • Leviticus 20:3: “And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.”
    • Leviticus 20:4: “And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not”
    • Leviticus 20:5: “Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.”

    Two further occurrences connect the practice with Tophet, a place of sacrifice in the Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna, which later acquired the connotation of “Hell“):

    • 2 Kings 23:10: “And he (King Josiah of Judah) defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.”
    • Jeremiah 32:35: “And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.”

    Obviously, the jerk is quite a threat and needs your direct attention whenever he shows his ugly face.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • November 18, 2018, at 11:37 AM PST
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  11. GrannyDude Member

    Kozak (View Comment):

    So jut going to throw this out there. Why is it any worse for a hetero teacher of either sex to watch an opposite sex child disrobe, but it’s OK for a gay teacher to watch a same sex child to disrobe? I mean that is where we are isn’t it?

    I think it has more to do with having the same sort of body oneself, rather than with the sex one is attracted to. At least, that’s how I see it: after all, straight men and straight teenaged boys have been dressing, undressing and showering with gay men and boys for millennia. How would one know? Whereas a transgender “boy” is…obvious. 

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    • November 18, 2018, at 11:44 AM PST
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  12. Nanda Panjandrum Inactive

    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Moloch was a jerk

    Moloch was/is a non-entity created by jerks, to justify evil, no?

    Nanda,

    Well, Nanda, you are most certainly correct. However, the Torah is very explicit about the danger from Moloch. It is your duty to resist Moloch and his followers in every way.

    The vocalization Molek occurs eight times in the Masoretic Text, predominantly (five times) in Leviticus:

    • Leviticus 18:21 “And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.”
    • Leviticus 20:2: “Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.”
    • Leviticus 20:3: “And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.”
    • Leviticus 20:4: “And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not”
    • Leviticus 20:5: “Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.”

    Two further occurrences connect the practice with Tophet, a place of sacrifice in the Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna, which later acquired the connotation of “Hell“):

    • 2 Kings 23:10: “And he (King Josiah of Judah) defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.”
    • Jeremiah 32:35: “And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.”

    Obviously, the jerk is quite a threat and needs your direct attention whenever he shows his ugly face.

    Regards,

    Jim

    No disagreement here, Jim; just surprised that Moloch would be acknowledged as some sort of equivalent.

     

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    • November 18, 2018, at 11:47 AM PST
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  13. Mike Rapkoch Moderator

    Meanwhile, if he was caught with images of naked 30 yos on his computer he’d be thrown into prison for a very long time and his name would be forever stored on the sex offender registry. We live in incoherent times.

    • #43
    • November 18, 2018, at 11:50 AM PST
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  14. GrannyDude Member

    By the way, when I was touring the University of Georgia’s new baseball facility in an otherwise all-male group, we went into the (men’s) locker room. Had I not been present, the group would’ve walked in unannounced. As it was, someone went in first to make sure all the boys had clothes on and were okay with a woman coming into their private space. As we went through, guys called “female present! Female present!” to anyone who might not have been alerted. 

    In other words, the mere presence of a female—however motherly and romantically uninteresting—was understood to be an issue and so directly and sensibly handled. And, by the way, if any of the young men had said “I don’t want a woman in here at all, even if I am dressed” I would’ve been fine with that. 

    Which shouldn’t seem strange or even worth mentioning. 

    Oy vey. 

    • #44
    • November 18, 2018, at 11:56 AM PST
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  15. James Gawron Thatcher
    James GawronJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Moloch was a jerk

    Moloch was/is a non-entity created by jerks, to justify evil, no?

    Nanda,

    Well, Nanda, you are most certainly correct. However, the Torah is very explicit about the danger from Moloch. It is your duty to resist Moloch and his followers in every way.

    The vocalization Molek occurs eight times in the Masoretic Text, predominantly (five times) in Leviticus:

    • Leviticus 18:21 “And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.”
    • Leviticus 20:2: “Again, thou shalt say to the children of Israel, Whosoever he be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn in Israel, that giveth any of his seed unto Molech; he shall surely be put to death: the people of the land shall stone him with stones.”
    • Leviticus 20:3: “And I will set my face against that man, and will cut him off from among his people; because he hath given of his seed unto Molech, to defile my sanctuary, and to profane my holy name.”
    • Leviticus 20:4: “And if the people of the land do any ways hide their eyes from the man, when he giveth of his seed unto Molech, and kill him not”
    • Leviticus 20:5: “Then I will set my face against that man, and against his family, and will cut him off, and all that go a whoring after him, to commit whoredom with Molech, from among their people.”

    Two further occurrences connect the practice with Tophet, a place of sacrifice in the Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna, which later acquired the connotation of “Hell“):

    • 2 Kings 23:10: “And he (King Josiah of Judah) defiled Topheth, which is in the valley of the children of Hinnom, that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Molech.”
    • Jeremiah 32:35: “And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.”

    Obviously, the jerk is quite a threat and needs your direct attention whenever he shows his ugly face.

    Regards,

    Jim

    No disagreement here, Jim; just surprised that Moloch would be acknowledged as some sort of equivalent.

    Nanda,

    That is the lunacy of multiculturalism. Whether it’s jihadist genocide or cannibalism, or Moloch once you’ve dispensed with your ability to judge one set of “values” higher than another, then anything goes.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • November 18, 2018, at 12:00 PM PST
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  16. Henry Castaigne Member

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Moloch was a jerk

    Moloch was/is a non-entity created by jerks, to justify evil, no?

    Depends on who you ask. Lots of people on Ricochetti believe in demons and ghosts. Moloch could have been a particularly vicious fallen Angel. 

    • #46
    • November 18, 2018, at 2:01 PM PST
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  17. Henry Castaigne Member

    Mike Rapkoch (View Comment):

    Meanwhile, if he was caught with images of naked 30 yos on his computer he’d be thrown into prison for a very long time and his name would be forever stored on the sex offender registry. We live in incoherent times.

    I don’t think that’s true. I’ve never heard of a teacher being booted out for looking at pornography. 

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    • November 18, 2018, at 2:04 PM PST
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  18. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Moloch was a jerk

    Moloch was/is a non-entity created by jerks, to justify evil, no?

    Depends on who you ask. Lots of people on Ricochetti believe in demons and ghosts. Moloch could have been a particularly vicious fallen Angel.

    There are demons occasionally here on Ricochet. That’s why we have exorcists moderators.

    • #48
    • November 18, 2018, at 2:14 PM PST
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  19. Saint Augustine Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    Moloch was a jerk

    Moloch was/is a non-entity created by jerks, to justify evil, no?

    Depends on who you ask. Lots of people on Ricochetti believe in demons and ghosts. Moloch could have been a particularly vicious fallen Angel.

    My view, in fact. Another resemblance to the real Augustine, as well as Milton.

    Paul supports the idea that false gods are demons when he talks about meat sacrificed to idols. For that matter, there’s a lot of Old Testament support for this idea, covered in the appendix to Brian Godawa’s Noah Primeval.

    Finally, don’t forget Star Trek’s theory!

    • #49
    • November 18, 2018, at 2:19 PM PST
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  20. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil FawltyJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    GrannyDude (View Comment):
    after all, straight men and straight teenaged boys have been dressing, undressing and showering with gay men and boys for millennia. How would one know?

    Penile plethysmography?

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    • November 18, 2018, at 3:58 PM PST
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  21. Rodin Member

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):
    plethysmography

    Thank you for the vocabulary challenge.

    • #51
    • November 18, 2018, at 5:40 PM PST
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  22. Full Size Tabby Member

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    So jut going to throw this out there. Why is it any worse for a hetero teacher of either sex to watch an opposite sex child disrobe, but it’s OK for a gay teacher to watch a same sex child to disrobe? I mean that is where we are isn’t it?

    I think it has more to do with having the same sort of body oneself, rather than with the sex one is attracted to. At least, that’s how I see it: after all, straight men and straight teenaged boys have been dressing, undressing and showering with gay men and boys for millennia. How would one know? Whereas a transgender “boy” is…obvious.

    Nonetheless, the potential for sexual attraction (plus the reality that a disproportionately large percentage of the child sexual abuse cases involve abuse by an adult of the same sex as the child) are among the reasons some of us old buddy-duddies continue to have a problem with the “LGB” push to gain access to children.

    • #52
    • November 18, 2018, at 6:19 PM PST
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  23. Full Size Tabby Member

    OkieSailor (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    If he placed a camera in the girls locker room, he would be dismissed for invading their privacy. Yet a girl is allowed to invade the privacy of the boys. What happens if one of them makes a pass at her?

    What happens if she is “inappropriately touched”? would this teacher be liable? Is there even a remote chance something like this would not play out?

    Even without touching, imagine what’s going to happen to the teacher when the girl outgrows her “gender unclarity” (as statistically she almost certainly will) and then as a grown woman brings up legal and other claims over the fact that this (male) teacher “spied” on her. He can offer the defense that the school district made him do it, but that defense is likely to be buried well below the headlines, and thus not get him much credit. He will be ruined.

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    • November 18, 2018, at 6:27 PM PST
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  24. Henry Castaigne Member

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    Even without touching, imagine what’s going to happen to the teacher when the girl outgrows her “gender unclarity” (as statistically she almost certainly will) and then as a grown woman brings up legal and other claims over the fact that this (male) teacher “spied” on her. He can offer the defense that the school district made him do it, but that defense is likely to be buried well below the headlines, and thus not get him much credit. He will be ruined.

    Henry Castaigne:

    Agreed. It’s unfair to put a person in a position where he can be legally destroyed just for doing his job.

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    • November 18, 2018, at 10:45 PM PST
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  25. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western ChauvinistJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I was a teenage boy once. I wouldn’t be able to not stare at a naked girl. Pretty much every heterosexual boy in history is unable to stare at a naked girl. That is a central part of the story of Acteon and Dianna. Boys are bewitched by a naked female.

    What I don’t understand is that girls don’t care if another girl dresses in boy’s clothes and likes boy stuff. That was used to be called a Tomboy and they showered together without any problems. Why not have the transgendered person just shower with the girls and be a transgender in every other way? How would it hurt her/him?

    That’s just the thing — apart from biology, one’s sexual identity is completely subjective. If I weren’t burdened with female parts, I might “identify” as a male — after all, I have an engineering degree!

    Oh, but that’s stereotyping, you say! Yes, have you noticed there are no MtoF transgenders who like to roughhouse or quote baseball stats out the yazoo? They base their female identity on wearing dresses and stiletto heels and makeup. Lots and lots of makeup. They’ve probably spent more time in pantyhose than this fifty-mumble-mumble year old woman has in the course of my entire lifetime! It’s all stereotyping!

    My dad fathered seven children and shaved his armpits every day of his life after serving in WWII and learning field hygiene. My mother used to say, “your father’s masculinity doesn’t depend on his armpit hair.” But, that’s exactly what the transgender agenda depends on! All these superficialities of what it means to be a “man” or a “woman.” 

    As a society, we cannot be expected to treat people according to such individual, subjective measures. Sorry, but if you have female parts, you’ll be treated like a female, no matter how you feel. Deal with it.

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    • November 19, 2018, at 7:30 AM PST
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  26. The Reticulator Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    Even without touching, imagine what’s going to happen to the teacher when the girl outgrows her “gender unclarity” (as statistically she almost certainly will) and then as a grown woman brings up legal and other claims over the fact that this (male) teacher “spied” on her. He can offer the defense that the school district made him do it, but that defense is likely to be buried well below the headlines, and thus not get him much credit. He will be ruined.

    Henry Castaigne:

    Agreed. It’s unfair to put a person in a position where he can be legally destroyed just for doing his job.

    It’s a long time since I trotted out one of my standard quips: The goal of the left is to make everything 1) mandatory, and 2) illegal.

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    • November 19, 2018, at 7:35 AM PST
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  27. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I was a teenage boy once. I wouldn’t be able to not stare at a naked girl. Pretty much every heterosexual boy in history is unable to stare at a naked girl. That is a central part of the story of Acteon and Dianna. Boys are bewitched by a naked female.

    What I don’t understand is that girls don’t care if another girl dresses in boy’s clothes and likes boy stuff. That was used to be called a Tomboy and they showered together without any problems. Why not have the transgendered person just shower with the girls and be a transgender in every other way? How would it hurt her/him?

    That’s just the thing — apart from biology, one’s sexual identity is completely subjective. If I weren’t burdened with female parts, I might “identify” as a male — after all, I have an engineering degree!

    Oh, but that’s stereotyping, you say! Yes, have you noticed there are no MtoF transgenders who like to roughhouse or quote baseball stats out the yazoo? They base their female identity on wearing dresses and stiletto heels and makeup. Lots and lots of makeup. They’ve probably spent more time in pantyhose than this fifty-mumble-mumble year old woman has in the course of my entire lifetime! It’s all stereotyping!

    My dad fathered seven children and shaved his armpits every day of his life after serving in WWII and learning field hygiene. My mother used to say, “your father’s masculinity doesn’t depend on his armpit hair.” But, that’s exactly what the transgender agenda depends on! All these superficialities of what it means to be a “man” or a “woman.”

    As a society, we cannot be expected to treat people according to such individual, subjective measures. Sorry, but if you have female parts, you’ll be treated like a female, no matter how you feel. Deal with it.

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    • November 19, 2018, at 7:45 AM PST
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  28. Rodin Member

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    It’s a long time since I trotted out one of my standard quips: The goal of the left is to make everything 1) mandatory, and 2) illegal. 

    May I amend? “The goal of the left is to make everything 1) mandatory, 2) illegal, and 3) subject to prosecutorial discretion.” Reward friends, punish enemies. Exert maximum control.

    • #58
    • November 19, 2018, at 7:47 AM PST
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  29. The Reticulator Member

    Rodin (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    It’s a long time since I trotted out one of my standard quips: The goal of the left is to make everything 1) mandatory, and 2) illegal.

    May I amend? “The goal of the left is to make everything 1) mandatory, 2) illegal, and 3) subject to prosecutorial discretion.” Reward friends, punish enemies. Exert maximum control.

    I thought that part went without saying. :-) But yes, that’s what it means. 

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    • November 19, 2018, at 8:36 AM PST
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  30. TBA Coolidge

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    If he placed a camera in the girls locker room, he would be dismissed for invading their privacy. Yet a girl is allowed to invade the privacy of the boys. What happens if one of them makes a pass at her?

    That would make him de facto gay and he would therefore be celebrated. 

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    • November 19, 2018, at 12:10 PM PST
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