Civility Kills

 

Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder Still Blocking the Truth | BreitbartP.J. O’Rourke’s 2004 tongue-in-cheek titled book Peace Kills lampooned American foreign policy saying “imperialism has never been so funny.” He took the reader globetrotting while pointing out what happens when America tries to have a war “without hurting anybody” (Kosovo). Visiting Egypt in the aftermath of 9/11 he said: “There is a question that less sophisticated Americans ask (and more sophisticated Americans would like to): Why are the people in the Middle East so crazy?” We laugh because it’s true. Fourteen years later, America’s war isn’t so much in far-flung regions with people calling us imperialists, but more so with our neighbors, coworkers, family, and friends. America is at war with itself.

For as long as I can remember I have followed politics and culture. For those who watch/listen to Whiskey Politics and wonder when I started interviewing, I picked up the microphone at the age of 10. After my strict cockney Father barked “Lights!” (the British version of Gunnery Sergeant Hartman’s “Light Out!”), I would count 30 Mississippi before reaching under my bed, fumbling around until finding my radio/cassette recorder, hitting play and record, and do my version of Cavett or Carson.

I had the best guests in my darkened bedroom, often moderating debates with Jimmy Carter and Anwar Sadat or Ayatollah Khomeini. Jeff Lynne would talk about ELO but an angry John Lennon kept butting in saying Lynne was stealing his sound. Ponch and Jon from CHiPs debated the best and worst parts of LA to patrol. The constant for me, I always played it down the middle. The straight man (boy) who kept the guest from going too far off-subject. Even as a preteen I valued civility. It’s something I have maintained in most areas of my life. But 40 years later, I am now second-guessing whether civility is our best approach.

The SCOTUS debacle wasn’t the first hint of us breaking at the seams. Our country’s political divide has always been there, but we usually saw the partisan vitriol stemming from the activists and special interests, not the politicians. Granted there are many historical examples when politicians threw mud, but they were outliers. The mainstream party would smack the offender, the media would question our undignified politics and then we would all go back to watching “Cheers” together.

This feels different.

November 8, 2016, was a pivot. We have grown men and women, activists, and politicians at the highest levels of power acting out with the ferocity of a screaming child so unhinged they can’t help but hyperventilate. Normal parents have the ability to put that child into a timeout and let them tire themselves into rational thinking. But our country no longer has normal parents on the Left. The leaders, who are supposed to be the adults in the room, are now promoting this behavior, which has led to violence.

Hillary Clinton is being celebrated (by 90 percent of the media) for instructing her flying monkeys to let the hate flow through you. “Democrats cannot be civil with Republicans,” she said (unless Republicans bow down to Democrats).

Eric (the only Attorney General to ever be held in contempt by Congress) Holder said, “Michelle [Obama] always says, ‘When they go low, we go high.’ No. No. When they go low, we kick them.”

This comes on the heels of a few weeks that were not just damaging for the players on stage (namely Justice Kavanaugh and Dr. Blasey Ford) but for our union. The Democrats decided to triple-down on obliterating Kavanaugh by utilizing vile and disgusting gutter politics, the likes most of us have never seen. Uncorroborated attacks on an accomplished family man would at least had the civil liberties advocates come out in droves screaming “due process!” but even the ACLU joined the sharia law-like mosh-pit and wanted to stone the accused.

Now let’s play a game:

Let’s say a Trump Bro sprayed bullets toward Democrat congressional reps at a softball game and a leading Democratic Congressman came within an inch of being killed.

Let’s say a Democrat Senator was physically attacked outside his home by a neighbor causing several serious injuries.

Let’s say Obama’s cabinet members and leading Democrat politicians were being shouted out of restaurants.

Let’s say the Democrat Senate leader was followed and shouted down at airports.

Let’s say an MSNBC morning news anchor was stalked and followed and shouted at by two men through New York City’s Starbucks and his subway ride home.

Let’s say Obama’s family members and officials faced constant death threats, enraged emails, and protestors screaming outside their private residences.

The game is simple: How would the media and Democrats (irm) respond to this?

Two years after the election that shocked the world, Hillary Clinton, her supporters and much of the media still refuse to accept the results. Michael Goodwin’s October 6 New York Post opinion piece suggested something that should, should chill both sides:

Instead, we face something more akin to the combustible climate that historian Christopher Clark described as the origins of World War I. In his book, “The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914,” Clark illustrates how none of the great powers wanted war, but all felt free to escalate the buildup in the certainty that the other side would back down.

As the Left’s leaders actively encourage fighting, how does the Right best respond? Of course, civility would be preferred.

However, when a rabid dog is attacking, do we calmly sit down to have a polite and dignified conversation as its frothy mouth is biting our neck?

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  1. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Marythefifth (View Comment):

    When we fight back, we should take care to call out only the leaders of the party and leaders of the mobs by the bad names they have earned, and not all members of the D party. We can let the under-informed D voter off the hook for that behavior, allowing them to save face and maybe move to the right shaking the dust off their feet as they go. Let’s not pull a Hillary and call them all deplorables.

    Good point. But we can remind people who are inclined to vote for Democrats that they are voting for people who advocate violence against others, who favor mob rule, and who oppose the rule of law.

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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

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    Dave Sussman: As the Left’s leaders actively encourage fighting, how does the Right best respond? Of course, civility would be preferred.

    Of course, you’ve aptly described the current problem. I’m not 100% sure how to respond other than to actively support more protest groups on our side to march in DC. to counter all the Dem groups. George Soros and others contribute big $$ to pay these people while we rely on volunteers. We must step it up. Getting the attention of the press is key.

    I bookmarked this Blog Post awhile ago, and still need to process it. It’s long and wordy, and certainly a response to these questions.

    radical book club: what Righties can do

    I don’t know about you, but I like getting what I want, and I like the idea of having as much power to get it in as many ways as possible. I like the idea of having power to keep my politicians honest, power to exercise directly in my world, and power that can be used directly to make my country, the world, and people’s lives better.

    And let me be frank about where I’m coming from politically. I’m not coming at this from a hard righty perspective here. I’m not even a fringe type, not a reactionary or an ancap or anything. I’m a normie, and this is me screaming at normies that we have to get up off our asses. Listen up, normies: if we don’t organize for power, other people will.

    The good news is: there are a lot of us.

    So let’s organize for power. Here are some brief thoughts about how to get it.

    Briefly put, the organized Left has power because it has lots of organized groups that

    • employ different approaches
    • communicate, negotiate, and cooperate
    • serve their side’s goals
    • show value
    • provide service to their community

    The Right has groups focused on electoral power and getting out the vote, mainly.

    . . ..

    Righties need more onramps.

    Read the whole thing. It’s great.

    One of the perennial (and I think inherent) challenges for “the Right”) is that the people who are inclined toward the right either don’t have time to engage in lots of political activism (because they’re actually building things and raising families), or consider their time more profitably spent on the things they do (building things and raising families) than on abstract political activism.

    Protecting self-defense (gun) rights and protecting the lives of unborn children are concrete and relatively specific targets that people who are inclined to lean right can work with.

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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    But we can remind people who are inclined to vote for Democrats that they are voting for people who advocate violence against others, who favor mob rule, and who oppose the rule of law.

    That doesn’t even work for Nevers. How’s it gonna work for people who are at least self-aware enough to call themselves Democrats.

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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    What fascinates me is the utter conviction among Democrats that the statement above is the opposite of the truth – why, the Republicans are low-down, vicious, conniving, dirty-pool-playing swine who’ll stop at nothing.

    That is astonishing, isn’t it?  (Or would be, if we hadn’t seen it building for decades already…)

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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    This is a nice contrast to Jonah Goldbergs piece yesterday that spent the bulk of it decrying Trump for bringing about incivility and condemning those of us who like the fact ‘he fights’, before eventually saying something about the Democrats in the concluding paragraph.

    For someone who claims he is longer a Nevertrumper he sure still writes like one.

    I’m sick of him.  I rarely even open his pieces.

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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    Great piece, Dave. What strikes me is that we finally “won” with Kavanaugh–not by screaming, fistfights, and lies, but through resilience, determination and speaking the truth.

    Yes, but also with some anger; some very appropriate, commensurate-to-the-situation anger.

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    I Walton (View Comment):
    …always, no exceptions, softly and politely, as we cut them to pieces, point out when they’re lying, which is when they open their mouths. When our politicians go on the talk shows they have to have their views sharpened to a fine deadly point instead of practicing how to be defensive.

    Very well put.

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    Owen Findy (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):

    This is a nice contrast to Jonah Goldbergs piece yesterday that spent the bulk of it decrying Trump for bringing about incivility and condemning those of us who like the fact ‘he fights’, before eventually saying something about the Democrats in the concluding paragraph.

    For someone who claims he is longer a Nevertrumper he sure still writes like one.

    I’m sick of him. I rarely even open his pieces.

    Which is sad for me, because he used to be one of my few must-reads.

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    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Which is sad for me, because he used to be one of my few must-reads.

    Same here.

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    Owen Findy (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Which is sad for me, because he used to be one of my few must-reads.

    Same here.

    “I could take him or leave him” – The Couch

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