Is This the Source of the Problem?

 

I really think Jim Geraghty of National Review has an accurate description of what we are up against as Conservatives attempt to deal with the Leftists’ current behavior. We are trying with civilized political means and discussion to deal with what is at its roots a psychological problem.

To quote from Jim’s column:

The more time I spend covering politics, the more I’m convinced that a significant chunk of grassroots political activists aren’t really arguing about politics at all. These folks are actually grappling with personal psychological issues and projecting it onto the world of politics. Every problem they had with a parent is projected onto authority figures. Every religious person who ever scolded them or made them feel guilty becomes the embodiment of organized religion and demonstrates its menace. Because they’ve had a bad experience with a member of a minority group, that experience reveals something sinister about every member of that minority group. The cop who wrote them a ticket instead of giving them a warning demonstrates the danger and corruption of law enforcement, the boss who fired them for shoddy work exemplifies the inherent cruelty of the capitalist system, and every frustrating experience they had with an ex-girlfriend demonstrates some defect in all women.

This is why things get so personal with them so quickly. They cannot distinguish their worldview from themselves, and so if you contradict that worldview, they believe that you have attacked them personally. In their minds, expressing doubt about an accusation of sexual assault means you support rape; scoffing at the need for higher taxes means you’re greedy and want them to endure more financial difficulties; and as a Yale freshman puts it in The Atlantic article linked above, “You can’t devalue a woman’s right to choose and respect women.” Only 31 percent of women believe abortion should be legal in all circumstances — meaning, in the mindset of the student, 69 percent of women do not respect women.

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  1. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    I think this is what happens when you put politics in the place of religion. Anyone you disagree with on a political issue is not an opponent but an apostate.

    I also think it’s deliberate. Hate is a tool that is being used against us. We had a discussion on this at a recent meeting of a Second Amendment group, about how gun ownership is the new smoking. They can’t pass laws against it, but they can teach that people who own guns are ugly, scary and stupid.

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  2. Weeping Inactive
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    I think there’s a lot of truth here.

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  3. Arahant Member
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    KEALCSEO

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  4. Misthiocracy, Joke Pending Member
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    So, my antipathy towards bureaucracy is merely a pathology deriving from trauma sustained over thirteen years under the thumbs of totalitarian public school teachers?

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  5. David Foster Member
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    “These folks are actually grappling with personal psychological issues and projecting it onto the world of politics.’

    There’s a very interesting related observation in the memoirs of Sebastian Haffner, who grew up in Germany between the wars.  He noted that when the political situation stabilized and the economy improved substantially (under the Stresemann chancellorship), most people were happy…but not everybody.

    A generation of young Germans had become accustomed to having the entire content of their lives delivered gratis, so to speak, by the public sphere, all the raw material for their deeper emotions…Now that these deliveries suddently ceased, people were left helpless, impoverished, robbed, and disappointed. They had never learned how to live from within themselves, how to make an ordinary private life great, beautiful and worth while, how to enjoy it and make it interesting. So they regarded the end of political tension and the return of private liberty not as a gift, but as a deprivation. They were bored, their minds strayed to silly thoughts, and they began to sulk.

    I’m afraid that in America today, we have a quite considerable number of people who get their sense of meaning in life from their political views and activism, in the same way as those interwar Germans that Haffner described.

     

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  6. Roberto Inactive
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    So the personal is political, well I’ll give Geraghty credit for catching up to the 1960s. Five or so more decades to go and he’ll be completely up to speed. 

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  7. Jim McConnell Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):
    Arahant  

    KEALCSEO

    ?? (for those of us who aren’t into cryptography, please decipher.)

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  8. Jim George Member
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    @jimmcconnell, thanks for this cite; as I’m sure you know, Rush talked at length this morning about this article and another, a piece by the brilliant Shelby Steele in yesterday’s WSJ. While I have not read the piece you cite, I have read the Steele piece and cannot recommend it too highly. It is entitled Why the left is consumed with hate. 

    Thanks again, Jim

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  9. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):
    but they can teach that people who own guns are ugly, scary and stupid.

    They can teach this all they want as long as they can’t pass laws against them.

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  10. Jim George Member
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    PS Jim– welcome to the 80’s! I’ve been there for a while and find it…..well, interesting! Especially after a move to a lovely place in Florida after living in one city in one home  for many, many decades. All the best from a simpatico colleague, Jim

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  11. Freesmith Member
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    OK, Jim, now do “Never Trumpers.”

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  12. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    I think this is what happens when you put politics in the place of religion. Anyone you disagree with on a political issue is not an opponent but an apostate.

    I also think it’s deliberate. Hate is a tool that is being used against us. We had a discussion on this at a recent meeting of a Second Amendment group, about how gun ownership is the new smoking. They can’t pass laws against it, but they can teach that people who own guns are ugly, scary and stupid.

    It’s also an example of narcissism coming from never growing out of the childhood mindset that the world revolves around you and your needs. The normal cycle is mom and dad cater to your needs as a child and start drawing lines as you get older on what you can and can’t have, and as you mature you do the same thing with your own kids. And lots of kids go through the tantrum-throwing stage before they mature, but the angry activists are locked in there — if they don’t get what the want when they’re in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, they act out in the same way they did in their 2s, 3s and 4s. The difference is they’re not just limited to crying and kicking their feet now, and can take lots of hurtful actions, mentally and even physically against the people they’re angry at (which, when those angry types gain positions of power, can lead to authoritarian legislation and worse actions in a hurry, because if everybody else won’t do what they tell them to do, everybody else must be punished.

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  13. Ray Gunner Coolidge
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    David Foster (View Comment):
    I’m afraid that in America today, we have a quite considerable number of people who get their sense of meaning in life from their political views and activism.

    Amen, brother.  It’s not hard to see why.  When, according to the neo-Marxists, the sense of meaning you get from building your business perpetuates “greedy capitalism”; and the sense of meaning you get from serving in the military perpetuates “oppressive militarism”; and the sense of meaning you get from serving your church perpetuates “intolerance”; and the sense of meaning you get from providing for your family perpetuates “the patriarchy “; and the sense of meaning you get from being with your friends perpetuates “toxic masculinity”;  what’s left but political activism as the only legitimate, guilt-free source of meaning?  

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  14. dnewlander Inactive
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    Jon1979 (View Comment):

    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    I think this is what happens when you put politics in the place of religion. Anyone you disagree with on a political issue is not an opponent but an apostate.

    I also think it’s deliberate. Hate is a tool that is being used against us. We had a discussion on this at a recent meeting of a Second Amendment group, about how gun ownership is the new smoking. They can’t pass laws against it, but they can teach that people who own guns are ugly, scary and stupid.

    It’s also an example of narcissism coming from never growing out of the childhood mindset that the world revolves around you and your needs. The normal cycle is mom and dad cater to your needs as a child and start drawing lines as you get older on what you can and can’t have, and as you mature you do the same thing with your own kids. And lots of kids go through the tantrum-throwing stage before they mature, but the angry activists are locked in there — if they don’t get what the want when they’re in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, they act out in the same way they did in their 2s, 3s and 4s. The difference is they’re not just limited to crying and kicking their feet now, and can take lots of hurtful actions, mentally and even physically against the people they’re angry at (which, when those angry types gain positions of power, can lead to authoritarian legislation and worse actions in a hurry, because if everybody else won’t do what they tell them to do, everybody else must be punished.

    And you know they laughed at the “Buy N Large” people in Wall-E, never realizing it’s them.

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  15. KentForrester Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    KEALCSEO

    Arahant, I told you not to do this a couple of posts ago. I think you do this to make yourself feel superior to the rest of us. Of course, you are superior, but you don’t have to shove it in our faces.

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  16. Hoyacon Member
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    KentForrester (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    KEALCSEO

    Arahant, I told you not to do this a couple of posts ago. I think you do this to make yourself feel superior to the rest of us. Of course, you are superior, but you don’t have to shove it in our faces.

    With Arahant, WYSIWYG, AFAIK.

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  17. Percival Thatcher
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    Arahant

    KEALCSEO

    ?? (for those of us who aren’t into cryptography, please decipher.)

    Covfefe.

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  18. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Jim McConnell:

    To quote from Jim’s column:

    These folks are actually grappling with personal psychological issues and projecting it onto the world of politics. Every problem they had with a parent is projected onto authority figures.

    Dennis Miller used to have a phrase to describe Al Gore: “A Mariana Trench of Daddy Issues”.

    Hmm, I wonder how one might describe Ronan Farrow, the son and brother-in-law of Woody Allen who looks like Frank Sinatra whose family has accused his father/brother-in-law of sexually assaulted his other sister (one of 13 siblings) at age 7 or younger.

    Ronan the Accuser, a fictional character Marvel Comics character created in 1967.

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  19. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Stated simply, these are people whose identity and self-worth are completely tied up in holding the right (that is, Left) positions. Which is why they’re so radically unprincipled. Leftist positions are incoherent and change with the wind, depending on whatever makes them feel superior at the moment, and accumulates power on the Left. 

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  20. Dorrk Inactive
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    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Hmm, I wonder how one might describe Ronan Farrow, the son and brother-in-law of Woody Allen who looks like Frank Sinatra whose family has accused his father/brother-in-law of sexually assaulted his other sister (one of 13 siblings) at age 7 or younger.

    Ronan the Accuser, a fictional character Marvel Comics character created in 1967.

    I’m pretty sure that this character in Allen’s “Wonder Wheel” from last year is based on Ronan Farrow: a neglected momma’s boy who sets fire to everything. It’s even less generous to the Mia-Farrow stand-in.

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  21. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    One big problem is that a lot of these kids are single kids without any siblings.  So they got all of mom and dads attentions and affections.  They never learned what it was like to share.

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  22. Valiuth Member
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    Freesmith (View Comment):

    OK, Jim, now do “Never Trumpers.”

    We are the most perfect of political beings superior to all in both humility and intelligence. Next question please.

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  23. Simon Templar Member
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    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):
    …they can teach that people who own guns are ugly, scary and stupid.

    And how!

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  24. Simon Templar Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    We are the most perfect of political beings superior to all in both humility and intelligence.

    Hear, hear!

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  25. Jim McConnell Member
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    Jim George (View Comment):
    MemberJim George  

    PS Jim– welcome to the 80’s! I’ve been there for a while and find it…..well, interesting! Especially after a move to a lovely place in Florida after living in one city in one home for many, many decades. All the best from a simpatico colleague, Jim

     Jim, thank you for your kind comments. Do you find 80 as “freeing” as I do? When you get to be officially an old man, people don’t expect very much of you. I’m enjoying life in a retirement community in the Evergreen City of Eugene, Oregon. Best wishes.

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  26. DonG Coolidge
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    Jim McConnell: They cannot distinguish their worldview from themselves,

    And since their worldview is not based on time-tested principles it changes rapidly causing chaos.  It sort of makes them all sociopaths.  They judge everything by their own worldview and disregard the principles of others.

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  27. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    I think this is what happens when you put politics in the place of religion. Anyone you disagree with on a political issue is not an opponent but an apostate.

    I also think it’s deliberate. Hate is a tool that is being used against us. We had a discussion on this at a recent meeting of a Second Amendment group, about how gun ownership is the new smoking. They can’t pass laws against it, but they can teach that people who own guns are ugly, scary and stupid.

    Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch has ongoing problems with Discover and MasterCard, instigated by the SPLC. He’s been dropped from Patreon and Discover and MC are no longer processing donations. He writes:

    Nonetheless, the point is still sound: Once it is generally accepted that people can be barred from services based on their political views, America has ceased to exist as a free society.

    What will be the next step? Will MasterCard and Discover deny me a personal credit card as well, because I’m on the SPLC’s hit list? Will the SPLC pressure other companies to deny service to me and others that the SPLC has defamed?

    In five or ten years, if this trend is not checked, will it be possible for me and others whom the SPLC is trying to destroy to buy a house? A car? Groceries? If the precedent is established that people can be discriminated against based on their political views, there is no telling where it could end, or if it will end at all.

    Whatever you may think of me and of the other people that the SPLC has targeted for destruction, the implications of what is being done are clear. America is at a crossroads today. The choice before us is whether we will continue to exist as a free society, or whether we will become a totalitarian state in which holding the proper opinions is an indispensable prerequisite of being able to function as a citizen at all….

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  28. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Dorrk (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Hmm, I wonder how one might describe Ronan Farrow, the son and brother-in-law of Woody Allen who looks like Frank Sinatra whose family has accused his father/brother-in-law of sexually assaulted his other sister (one of 13 siblings) at age 7 or younger.

    Ronan the Accuser, a fictional character Marvel Comics character created in 1967.

    I’m pretty sure that this character in Allen’s “Wonder Wheel” from last year is based on Ronan Farrow: a neglected momma’s boy who sets fire to everything. It’s even less generous to the Mia-Farrow stand-in.

    Had Harvey Weinstein and Miramax not bailed out Woody Allen a quarter-century ago by giving him a film contract when other studios shied away after the Soon Yi scandal, we likely wouldn’t have the current #MeToo movement birthed by Farrow’s story. The revenge angle wouldn’t have been there for Ronan….

    ….which isn’t to say we wouldn’t have had the same thing going on as we do now, just that the cast of characters would be different Woody’s scandal came after the Clarence Thomas hearings and just before Bob Packwood was hounded out of the Senate for his actions, while Ted Kennedy and Chris Dodd (and of course, Bill Clinton) were given free passes by the non-digital SJWs of that era. Without Farrow we might not have the same movement that’s laid waste to a glut of movie and TV people, but we’d likely still have something similar and the same type of howling by today’s SJWs around Brett Kavanaugh.

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  29. James Lileks Contributor
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    DonG (View Comment):
    And since their worldview is not based on time-tested principles it changes rapidly causing chaos. It sort of makes them all sociopaths. They judge everything by their own worldview and disregard the principles of others.

    As well they should. The past is full of oppression and injustice, so there is nothing to be learned from “time-tested principles.” A worldview must adapt to accommodate new information, which means they are open to new ideas, not bound to old prejudices and false thinking. They must disregard the principles of others if they impede the advancement of society to a more equitable state.

    The best thing about this worldview is its certainties (opposition to the worldview is prima facie evidence that you oppose progress)  and its infinite capabilities to discover perfidy in every object or person that  impedes your conception of the Just World to come. It’s the sort of mindset that makes people feel unsafe when they overhear someone describing a Chik-Fil-A sandwich with evident approval.

    The Right has its versions of these people as well, but their concerns lack an academic imprimatur. In a sensible world the people who rail about a cisnormative phallocracy would be consigned to the same bin as Pizzagate Bilderburgers, but the pseudo-science blatherations of the Left’s theorists have provided a new dogma to people who hunger for overarching explanations for their own ennui and alienation.

    Note: this isn’t the majority. These are the harpies shrieking from the cages of social media posts. But they provide a certain guilty, oily, private joy among people who feel as if these are the worst of all possible times. you have to pity some of them: not only do they not believe in God, they wonder why He has forsaken them.

    Or She! Definitely She. Not that She exists. But if She did She would totally be She.

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  30. Simon Templar Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    …not only do they not believe in God, they wonder why He has forsaken them.

    Things that make you go hmmm.

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