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I had about 170 responses to my survey, most of which came from Ricochet. But unless I fork over $40, they will only let me see 100 responses. I’m a cheapskate, plus I got guns to buy, so I ain’t forkin’ it over. Still, some folks have asked to see the results of the first 100 responses, so here they are.

For those of you bad at math, since there are exactly 100 responses, the percentage and the number for each choice are…the same. But the third column has Arizona Patriot’s predictions.

Response Result AP
ENTHUSIASTIC SUPPORT: I enthusiastically support Trump. Generally speaking, I think that the behavior for which he is criticized is part of a brilliant marketing and communication strategy. I take him seriously but not literally. Among other things, his style has successfully forced the Left into revealing their anti-Americanism and maneuvered them into defending the indefensible. Check out my MAGA hat! 19% 5-10%
SOLID SUPPORT: I solidly support Trump with reservations. I recognize that he has impulse control issues and significant moral flaws. On balance, however, his record of conservative achievement far outweighs these problems. I do wish that he would tweet less. 38% 30-35%
RELUCTANT SUPPORT: I reluctantly support Trump. I think that he is deceptive and of poor moral character, and am very disappointed that he has become the leader of the Republican Party. However, the alternative is so bad that I must overlook these profound flaws. I do really, really like the judicial appointments, the tax cuts, the deregulation, and Secretary Mattis. 29% 45-50%
UNDECIDED: I remain undecided about Trump. 8% 5%
NEVER TRUMP: I am unalterably opposed to Trump. I think that he is wrecking the Republican Party and the Conservative movement, and will discredit my values for years, or even decades, to come. As painful as it is, I am even considering supporting and voting for Democrats as the only viable mechanism to restore the party of Reagan and true Conservative principles. I’m eagerly awaiting the McCain funeral video. 6% 5-10%
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  1. Member

    max … you have the similar survey results for the contributors and editors … right?

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    • September 13, 2018 at 12:50 pm
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    <span class=”atwho-inserted” contenteditable=”false” data-atwho-at-query=”@max“>@max … you have the similar survey results for the contributors and editors … right?

    Don’t tell me you don’t remember me, cuz I sure as heck fire remember you!

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    • September 13, 2018 at 12:57 pm
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    I’m a cheapskate, plus I got guns to buy, so I ain’t forkin’ it over.

    Toldja you’d find better uses.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:09 pm
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    I’m a cheapskate, plus I got guns to buy, so I ain’t forkin’ it over.

    Toldja you’d find better uses.

    I thought you were gone…

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:16 pm
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    First, Spin, many thanks for pulling this off.

    Second, everybody, thanks for voting. This is the largest sample that I’ve seen yet.

    Third, my analysis. I know that this is not necessarily even a representative sample of Ricochet members. My guesses were that the President had pretty strong support, and the survey shows significantly stronger support than I expected.

    Rounding a bit, the overall numbers are:

    20 30% enthusiastically support Trump
    40% strongly support Trump
    30 20% reluctantly support Trump

    I suggest that we not use this to beat up the small percentage of Never Trump folks. They should be welcome here, and they are in a small minority, so their frustration is understandable.

    Personally, I am surprised that enthusiastic supporters outnumber the reluctant. I don’t mean this to be critical, just that I did not expect it.

    Edit note: I don’t know how I originally reversed these two figures. Thanks to John Seymour for catching my error.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:16 pm
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  6. Thatcher

    Spin, where’s the “He won. The 2016 campaign’s over; the country hasn’t imploded, I’m gonna go live my life.” button? That’s where I am…

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:18 pm
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    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    First, Spin, many thanks for pulling this off.

    Second, everybody, thanks for voting. This is the largest sample that I’ve seen yet.

    Third, my analysis. I know that this is not necessarily even a representative sample of Ricochet members. My guesses were that the President had pretty strong support, and the survey shows significantly stronger support than I expected.

    Rounding a bit, the overall numbers are:

    30% enthusiastically support Trump
    40% strongly support Trump
    20% reluctantly support Trump

    I suggest that we not use this to beat up the small percentage of Never Trump folks. They should be welcome here, and they are in a small minority, so their frustration is understandable.

    Personally, I am surprised that enthusiastic supporters outnumber the reluctant. I don’t mean this to be critical, just that I did not expect it.

    Well, you don’t know how representative the sampling was. That is the danger of self selecting polls instead of randomized selection. 

    Frankly though I’m fine with being in such a small minority. It means there is a target rich environment for the spreading of my anti-Trump joy. Wherever two Trump supporters meet to discuss their love of him on Ricochet I will be there to interject negativity and pessimism. And cheer on the Deep State! Buawahahahahaha..

     

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:24 pm
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    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Spin, where’s the “He won, surrounded himself with good and wise Cabinet members, but I wish he’d stay off Twitter.” button? That’s where I am…

    Look, you, I done already said: I’m not accepting suggestions for how to re-word the questions.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:26 pm
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  9. Coolidge

    Spin, you’d like to save the money to buy some guns?

    On my post the other day, you confessed that you were a vegetarian who only reluctantly supported the second amendment.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:27 pm
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    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):
    Personally, I am surprised that enthusiastic supporters outnumber the reluctant. I don’t mean this to be critical, just that I did not expect it.

    I was expecting the enthusiasts to be higher.

    Even so, if the sample is representative, and it’s really too small to know if it is, it means that over 80% of us at least support what’s been happening with Trump as President.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:28 pm
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    Spin (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    I’m a cheapskate, plus I got guns to buy, so I ain’t forkin’ it over.

    Toldja you’d find better uses.

    I thought you were gone…

    This is my ghost.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:33 pm
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Spin, where’s the “He won, surrounded himself with good and wise Cabinet members, but I wish he’d stay off Twitter.” button? That’s where I am…

    Look, you, I done already said: I’m not accepting suggestions for how to re-word the questions.

    See the edit on my comment #6 above…That’s one you really didn’t include…Later. :-)

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:35 pm
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    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):
    Personally, I am surprised that enthusiastic supporters outnumber the reluctant. I don’t mean this to be critical, just that I did not expect it.

    I suspect some of the reluctant have moved into the higher categories. 

    I suspect this is what has happened to the estimable VDH, who probably did not take Spin’s survey.

    And commrad Spin, surely your loyalty to the Ricochet hive is worth more than a lousy 40 bucks.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 1:47 pm
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    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Spin, where’s the “He won, surrounded himself with good and wise Cabinet members, but I wish he’d stay off Twitter.” button? That’s where I am…

    Look, you, I done already said: I’m not accepting suggestions for how to re-word the questions.

    See the edit on my comment #6 above…That’s one you really didn’t include…Later. :-)

    That’s the second one.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 2:39 pm
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    Arthur Beare (View Comment):
    And commrad Spin, surely your loyalty to the Ricochet hive is worth more than a lousy 40 bucks.

    It’s worth exactly $.99 + tax per month. It used to be worth more. Just sayin’.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 2:40 pm
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):

    Spin, where’s the “He won, surrounded himself with good and wise Cabinet members, but I wish he’d stay off Twitter.” button? That’s where I am…

    Look, you, I done already said: I’m not accepting suggestions for how to re-word the questions.

    See the edit on my comment #6 above…That’s one you really didn’t include…Later. :-)

    That’s the second one.

    If you say so…

     

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    • September 13, 2018 at 2:49 pm
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    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    First, Spin, many thanks for pulling this off.

    Second, everybody, thanks for voting. This is the largest sample that I’ve seen yet.

    Third, my analysis. I know that this is not necessarily even a representative sample of Ricochet members. My guesses were that the President had pretty strong support, and the survey shows significantly stronger support than I expected.

    Rounding a bit, the overall numbers are:

    30% enthusiastically support Trump
    40% strongly support Trump
    20% reluctantly support Trump

    I suggest that we not use this to beat up the small percentage of Never Trump folks. They should be welcome here, and they are in a small minority, so their frustration is understandable.

    Personally, I am surprised that enthusiastic supporters outnumber the reluctant. I don’t mean this to be critical, just that I did not expect it.

    I vary from being NeverTrump to Highly Reluctant Trump. A hallmark of Ricochet is that I am able to co-exist with my fellows, and not be shouted off the stage.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 3:10 pm
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    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    I suspect some of the reluctant have moved into the higher categories.

    I suspect this is what has happened to the estimable VDH, who probably did not take Spin’s survey.

    I resemble that remark. I was definitely a Reluctant on election day, but I’ve moved up to Strong.

    He’s still a jerk, but he’s my jerk now (unless something better comes along).

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    • September 13, 2018 at 3:12 pm
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    I suspect some of the reluctant have moved into the higher categories.

    I suspect this is what has happened to the estimable VDH, who probably did not take Spin’s survey.

    I resemble that remark. I was definitely a Reluctant on election day, but I’ve moved up to Strong.

    He’s still a jerk, but he’s my jerk now (unless something better comes along).

    I was Never, and now I’m Reluctant…though I solidly support most of the policy things that have been done since he took office.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 3:39 pm
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    Spin: Monkeys

    Racist.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 3:51 pm
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    Spin: I’m a cheapskate, plus I got guns to buy, so I ain’t forkin’ it over

    Ha, ha, ha. I solved my gun-buying problems by winning 3 Kimbers in a raffle, a .380 with a laser sight, a 9mm, and a.45 APC Ultra Carry. We took them to the range last weekend, and really liked the way they shoot.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 4:07 pm
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Spin: I’m a cheapskate, plus I got guns to buy, so I ain’t forkin’ it over

    Ha, ha, ha. I solved my gun-buying problems by winning 3 Kimbers in a raffle, a .380 with a laser sight, a 9mm, and a.45 APC Ultra Carry. We took them to the range last weekend, and really liked the way they shoot.

    This is an embarrassment of riches and some kind of raffle. The last raffle I won was at our local arts council. Pottery. They didn’t even have paintings of guns.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 4:31 pm
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    Double post

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    • September 13, 2018 at 4:42 pm
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Spin: I’m a cheapskate, plus I got guns to buy, so I ain’t forkin’ it over

    Ha, ha, ha. I solved my gun-buying problems by winning 3 Kimbers in a raffle, a .380 with a laser sight, a 9mm, and a.45 APC Ultra Carry. We took them to the range last weekend, and really liked the way they shoot.

    This is an embarrassment of riches and some kind of raffle. The last raffle I won was at our local arts council. Pottery. They didn’t even have paintings of guns.

    It’s by the East Tennessee Friends of the NRA. The tickets are $20, and they only sell 200. While I was swooning, I think I missed out on one for two Kimbers and a Win .308 rifle.

     

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    • September 13, 2018 at 4:43 pm
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Spin: I’m a cheapskate, plus I got guns to buy, so I ain’t forkin’ it over

    Ha, ha, ha. I solved my gun-buying problems by winning 3 Kimbers in a raffle, a .380 with a laser sight, a 9mm, and a.45 APC Ultra Carry. We took them to the range last weekend, and really liked the way they shoot.

    You are one lucky dude.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 4:52 pm
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    Spin (View Comment):

    Locke On (View Comment):

    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    I suspect some of the reluctant have moved into the higher categories.

    I suspect this is what has happened to the estimable VDH, who probably did not take Spin’s survey.

    I resemble that remark. I was definitely a Reluctant on election day, but I’ve moved up to Strong.

    He’s still a jerk, but he’s my jerk now (unless something better comes along).

    I was Never, and now I’m Reluctant…though I solidly support most of the policy things that have been done since he took office.

    I was Never until July 15th when James Comey told us that there was one set of laws for Hillary and her kind and another set of laws for the great unwashed (that would be the rest of us). That’s when I became Reluctant Trump.

    Here is what I’d like: I’d like for people here to allow all the other members to disagree with Trump without being accused of being a Never Trumper. And I’d like people to be able to commend him for things and not get accused of being in the tank for Trump. For my own part I think he has done some things right (tax cut, rolling back the administrative state, taking a hard line with North Korea that brought them back to the table, taking a hard line with Iran which is breaking their economy) and things that have me pretty upset (signing that stinking budget bill was a sellout, suggesting that he would throw our right to due process under the bus after Parkland has my blood boiling). In either case I, or anyone else, should be able to express observations about what he has done without being dragged into a conversation about who he is morally and have that be some implied reflection of our own character. 

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    • September 13, 2018 at 5:03 pm
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    First, Spin, many thanks for pulling this off.

    Second, everybody, thanks for voting. This is the largest sample that I’ve seen yet.

    Third, my analysis. I know that this is not necessarily even a representative sample of Ricochet members. My guesses were that the President had pretty strong support, and the survey shows significantly stronger support than I expected.

    Rounding a bit, the overall numbers are:

    30% enthusiastically support Trump
    40% strongly support Trump
    20% reluctantly support Trump

    I suggest that we not use this to beat up the small percentage of Never Trump folks. They should be welcome here, and they are in a small minority, so their frustration is understandable.

    Personally, I am surprised that enthusiastic supporters outnumber the reluctant. I don’t mean this to be critical, just that I did not expect it.

    Well, you don’t know how representative the sampling was. That is the danger of self selecting polls instead of randomized selection.

    Frankly though I’m fine with being in such a small minority. It means there is a target rich environment for the spreading of my anti-Trump joy. Wherever two Trump supporters meet to discuss their love of him on Ricochet I will be there to interject negativity and pessimism. And cheer on the Deep State! Buawahahahahaha..

     

    Based solely on the survey data, if you have two Trump supporters, it’s more likely than not only 1 will “love” Trump.

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    • September 13, 2018 at 5:37 pm
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    First, Spin, many thanks for pulling this off.

    Second, everybody, thanks for voting. This is the largest sample that I’ve seen yet.

    Third, my analysis. I know that this is not necessarily even a representative sample of Ricochet members. My guesses were that the President had pretty strong support, and the survey shows significantly stronger support than I expected.

    Rounding a bit, the overall numbers are:

    30% enthusiastically support Trump
    40% strongly support Trump
    20% reluctantly support Trump

    I suggest that we not use this to beat up the small percentage of Never Trump folks. They should be welcome here, and they are in a small minority, so their frustration is understandable.

    Personally, I am surprised that enthusiastic supporters outnumber the reluctant. I don’t mean this to be critical, just that I did not expect it.

    Well, you don’t know how representative the sampling was. That is the danger of self selecting polls instead of randomized selection.

    Frankly though I’m fine with being in such a small minority. It means there is a target rich environment for the spreading of my anti-Trump joy. Wherever two Trump supporters meet to discuss their love of him on Ricochet I will be there to interject negativity and pessimism. And cheer on the Deep State! Buawahahahahaha..

    I think Deep State’s got a really good shot to make some waves this year. A lot of media buzz around that program and it’s easy to see why. They’ve got veteran leadership and some promising freshmen. 

    If they can stay focused, play as a team, and avoid the injury bug, I think a late December bowl is a real possibility. And you know their crowd will be fired up for those home games. What an intimidating atmosphere they create down at the old Soggy Marsh. Those Leaker fans bleed redaction black!

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    • September 13, 2018 at 9:18 pm
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I think Deep State’s got a really good shot to make some waves this year. A lot of media buzz around that program and it’s easy to see why. They’ve got veteran leadership and some promising freshmen. 

    If they can stay focused, play as a team, and avoid the injury bug, I think a late December bowl is a real possibility. And you know their crowd will be fired up for those home games. What an intimidating atmosphere they create down at the old Soggy Marsh. Those Leaker fans bleed redaction black!

    If only Deep State could coordinate its defense better it would surely be able to gain the upper hand in its games early on. But it always seems like they are scrambling without a game plan, and leaving it all on their wildcat offense to pull through. 

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    • September 14, 2018 at 7:12 am
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Arizona Patriot (View Comment):

    First, Spin, many thanks for pulling this off.

    Second, everybody, thanks for voting. This is the largest sample that I’ve seen yet.

    Third, my analysis. I know that this is not necessarily even a representative sample of Ricochet members. My guesses were that the President had pretty strong support, and the survey shows significantly stronger support than I expected.

    Rounding a bit, the overall numbers are:

    30% enthusiastically support Trump
    40% strongly support Trump
    20% reluctantly support Trump

    I suggest that we not use this to beat up the small percentage of Never Trump folks. They should be welcome here, and they are in a small minority, so their frustration is understandable.

    Personally, I am surprised that enthusiastic supporters outnumber the reluctant. I don’t mean this to be critical, just that I did not expect it.

    Well, you don’t know how representative the sampling was. That is the danger of self selecting polls instead of randomized selection.

    Frankly though I’m fine with being in such a small minority. It means there is a target rich environment for the spreading of my anti-Trump joy. Wherever two Trump supporters meet to discuss their love of him on Ricochet I will be there to interject negativity and pessimism. And cheer on the Deep State! Buawahahahahaha..

     

    Huh. Joy. Haven’t seen much of that from NTs. And for whatever joy it gives you, AP inverted the enthusiastic and reluctant numbers, which are actually 20/30, not 30/20.

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    • September 14, 2018 at 7:43 am
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