Prelates and Pederasts

 

Sixteen years ago, reporters at The Boston Globe conducted an extensive investigation of the sexual abuse of minors by priests in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston. Not long thereafter, reporters elsewhere detailed similar abuse in places like Los Angeles, Chicago, New Orleans, Philadelphia, and the like. The word used in the press to describe what had been going on was pedophilia, which is a misnomer deliberately employed to cover up what journalists then considered and still consider now an inconvenient aspect of the truth.

As a report commissioned by the National Review Board of the American Catholic bishops and issued in 2004 revealed, something like 81 percent of the victims were boys, and very few of them were, in the strictest sense, children. They were nearly all what we euphemistically call young adults. They were male adolescents on the younger side – at the age when boys as they mature can briefly be downright pretty.

What was involved was what its advocates call man-boy love: a sexual relationship between a grown man who serves as a mentor and a boy who is under his care or simply admires or stand in awe of him. The ancient Greeks, who practiced this systematically in the classical period, called this phenomenon pederasty, and I wrote extensively about it 26 years ago in the first part of my hardback book Republics Ancient and Modern (the pertinent chapter can be found in the first volume of the paperback edition).

In the course of these investigations, a number of other things came to light. First, a priest named Gerald Fitzgerald – who had in 1947 in New Mexico founded a small religious order named Congregation of the Servants of the Paraclete to counsel priests who had difficulty with alcoholism, substance abuse, celibacy, and the like – had for decades been trying to alert the American bishops and officials in the Vatican (including Pope Paul VI) to the fact that priestly pederasty (which, he said, was unheard of before World War II) was within the American Catholic Church a growing problem. And he had persistently tried to persuade the hierarchy to forbid the perpetrators’ supervision of boys and to laicize them – all to no avail.

It also turned out that in 1984, when a scandal of this sort broke out in the diocese of Lafayette, LA, a Dominican priest named Thomas P. O’Doyle — who was a canon lawyer working for the Papal Nuncio in Washington and had seen numerous reports of a similar kind cross his desk – had joined with a Louisiana lawyer named F. Ray Mouton, Jr., and another priest, a psychiatrist named Michael Peterson, who directed a hospital for troubled priests and knew a great deal, to conduct an extensive investigation of clerical misconduct along these lines throughout the United States. The report that these three men produced was sent to every bishop in the country in May 1985, and then it was ignored – and bishop after bishop continued the long-standing practice of covering up the scandals that arose, of paying off the victims and eliciting from them a non-disclosure agreement, and of transferring the perpetrators from one parish to another and even from one diocese to another.

Not long after the scandal first broke and the National Review Board issued its 2004 report, I was a guest at a dinner hosted by a Catholic friend, as was a highly intelligent, young local priest who, everyone knew, would someday become a bishop. By then it was evident to anyone who bothered to read the report that pederasty, not pedophilia, was the problem, and I had long known that there were seminaries in the United States that were essentially cathouses in which all of the cats were male.

When talk turned to the clerical scandal, I suggested that the fatal decision made by the American bishops in 1985 to continue the practice of covering everything up must have come from Rome. If, I argued, every diocese followed the same procedures, the bishops must have received guidance from the center. Could it then be the case, I asked, that this is not a peculiarly American problem; that this is going on elsewhere, all over the world; that Rome is the epicenter; and that the Papal nuncio in Washington or his superiors at the Vatican are complicit? Could it be the case that the colleges in Rome, established for the education of especially promising seminarians from all over the world, were in effect gay bordellos and that promotion into the hierarchy for many a young priest came at a price?

My host knew what I was talking about. He had once been a Jesuit novice, and he had been expelled from the Jesuits by the provincial for complaining about the sexual misconduct going on in the novitiate all around him. What I remember most vividly, however, was the silence of the young priest at the dinner table. He had been talkative. Now he said not a word. He was even then a handsome young man, and he had studied at the North American College at a time when he was no doubt even more striking. As we left, I remember saying to my wife, “He knows more than he is willing to divulge.”

I do not mean to say that he was complicit. I doubt that very much. I do mean to suggest that he had received unwanted attention and that he knew that, if he talked about it, it would put a stop to his clerical career.

Later, of course, it became evident that my suspicions with regard to Rome were justified. In the intervening years, there have been scandals identical to the American scandal in Canada, Australia, Belgium, Bavaria, Ireland, Honduras, Chile, and elsewhere. And, a few years ago, we learned that a host of high-level figures in the Curia were being blackmailed by their male lovers. I am told that Pope Benedict, who had already by that time contracted Parkinson’s Disease, resigned his office in this connection because he knew that there needed to be a purge and he feared that he did not have the physical stamina to carry it out himself. In his memoirs, Pope Benedict touches on the “gay lobby” and confesses to a lack of resoluteness on his own part. As everyone understood at the time, the task of cleaning house was to be left to his successor.

In the interim between Pope Benedict’s papacy and that of his successor, we received another indication of the depth of the problem. In the newspapers of Scotland, we learned that Keith Michael Patrick O’Brien, a cardinal and archbishop who was the Primate of Scotland, had been buggering seminarians and young priests for years and that nothing had been done in response to the complaints that they had submitted to the Papal Nuncio. It was only when they went public in 2013 that the Vatican acted.

Unfortunately, however, Benedict’s successor was Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina – the man who calls himself Pope Francis. As a Belgian cardinal named Gottfried Daneels – who had been removed as an archbishop because he had covered up pederasty on the part of another Belgian cardinal and had come out in support of contraception, divorce, gay marriage, euthanasia, and abortion – revealed in his memoirs, Bergoglio’s candidacy was promoted by the St. Gallen Group, a part of what Catholics call “the Lavender Mafia.” This disgraced figure stood on the balcony with Bergoglio after he was elected Pope; he was chosen to say the prayer at the new Pope’s inauguration; and there was joy in the ranks of those inclined to break the vow of celibacy.

If you want to get a sense of what such people thought, I suggest that you read “The Vatican’s Secret Life,” an article that appeared in Vanity Fair in December 2013. It is an eye-opener. Its author, Michael Joseph Gross, is not scandalized by what he found. He celebrates it; and, tellingly, he never once mentions, even under the guise of pedophilia, the propensity of prominent priests to indulge in pederasty. As Gross observes,

At the Vatican, a significant number of gay prelates and other gay clerics are in positions of great authority. They may not act as a collective but are aware of one another’s existence. And they inhabit a secretive netherworld, because homosexuality is officially condemned. Though the number of gay priests in general, and specifically among the Curia in Rome, is unknown, the proportion is much higher than in the general population. Between 20 and 60 percent of all Catholic priests are gay, according to one estimate cited by Donald B. Cozzens in his well-regarded The Changing Face of the Priesthood. For gay clerics at the Vatican, one fundamental condition of their power, and of their priesthood, is silence, at least in public, about who they really are.

Clerics inhabit this silence in a variety of ways. A few keep their sexuality entirely private and adhere to the vow of celibacy. Many others quietly let themselves be known as gay to a limited degree, to some colleagues, or to some laypeople, or both; sometimes they remain celibate and sometimes they do not. A third way, perhaps the least common but certainly the most visible, involves living a double life. Occasionally such clerics are unmasked, usually by stories in the Italian press. In 2010, for the better part of a month, one straight journalist pretended to be the boyfriend of a gay man who acted as a “honeypot” and entrapped actual gay priests in various sexual situations. (The cardinal vicar of Rome was given the task of investigating. The priests’ fates are unknown.)

There are at least a few gay cardinals, including one whose long-term partner is a well-known minister in a Protestant denomination. There is the notorious monsignor nicknamed “Jessica,” who likes to visit a pontifical university and pass out his business card to 25-year-old novices. (Among the monsignor’s pickup lines: “Do you want to see the bed of John XXIII?”) There’s the supposedly straight man who has a secret life as a gay prostitute in Rome and posts photographs online of the innermost corridors of the Vatican. Whether he received this privileged access from some friend or family member, or from a client, is impossible to say; to see a known rent boy in black leather on a private Vatican balcony does raise an eyebrow.

I recommend that you read the whole article. The author interviewed a great many clerics in Rome, and he makes it clear that they were delighted with the choice of Bergoglio and with his selection of advisers.

They had reason to be delighted. Since his election, Pope Francis has done everything within his power to soften and subvert the Church’s teaching concerning human sexuality. He put the Lavender Mafia in charge of the two Synods on the Family held in 2014 and 2015. They tried to push through their agenda; and, when the assembled bishops balked, they got a tongue-lashing from the Pope, and he inserted in the final report without comment two paragraphs that had not received the requisite two-thirds vote. All of this – including the machinations of the St. Gallen Group and the role played by Cardinal Daneels – is laid out in detail by an English Catholic, who was in Rome during the early year of this papacy, and who writes under the pseudonym Marcantonio Colonna. The title is The Dictator Pope: The Inside Story of the Francis Papacy.

In the last few weeks, we have received further evidence of the power of the prelate-pederasts. A grand jury convened in Pennsylvania has revealed that Donald Wuerl, while bishop of Pittsburgh, covered up a priest-run child-porn ring and a host of other abuses cases involving something on the order of 100 priests, using the age-old trick of pay-offs and non-disclosure agreements. But this did not stop him from being named Archbishop of Washington DC and of being made a Cardinal – which is to say, a Prince of the Church. He was not even high on the list of possible nominees submitted by the Papal Nuncio. Someone powerful in the Vatican wanted him promoted, and Pope Francis responded to the news of his guilt not by ordering an investigation into Wuerl’s promotion, but with a dodge – by attributing collective guilty to us all.

This past weekend, the chickens finally came home to roost. We had already learned of the predatory conduct of Theodore McCarrick, Wuerl’s predecessor as Cardinal-Archbishop of Washington. The evidence showed that he had buggered altar boys and seminarians while auxiliary bishop in New York, bishop of Metuchen in New Jersey, and Archbishop of Newark. Formal complaints had been lodged against him as the 1990s and continued to be lodged in later years, but they were ignored, and he was nonetheless promoted. On Saturday night, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, who was the Papal Nuncio in Washington from 2011 to 2016, released an eleven-page testament, revealing that Pope Benedict had learned of McCarrick’s conduct, that he had acted against the man in 2009 or 2010 by silencing him, prohibiting him from travel, and forbidding him to say mass in public; that in 2013 he had himself personally warned Pope Francis against McCarrick, spelling out in detail the man’s misdeeds; that Francis had reversed the restrictions imposed on McCarrick by Benedict; that he had taken him as his chief American advisor; and that Francis had ignored the advice of the Papal Nuncio and accepted that of McCarrick in choosing archbishops and bishops for the United States – including Blaise Cupich, the Cardinal-Archbishop of Chicago, and Joseph Tobin, the Cardinal-Archbishop of Newark. Viganò also did something on Saturday night that, as far as I know, no high-ranking prelate has done in more than six hundred years. He called on the Pope to resign.

In the meantime, Monsignor Jean-Francois Lantheaume, former first counsellor at the apostolic nunciature in Washington, DC has emerged to confirm that Viganò‘s predecessor had been instructed to confine McCarrick by Pope Benedict, that he had himself witnessed the confrontation with McCarrick, and that everything else that Viganò himself had said was true. To this, we must add that Viganò named names in the Vatican, specifying which high officials had obstructed the investigation into McCarrick’s conduct.

As all of this suggests, we are now at a turning point. The Lavender Mafia controls the Papacy and the Vatican overall, and Pope Francis is packing the College of Cardinals, who will elect the next Pope, with sympathizers. Pope Francis and his minions have now been exposed, named, and shamed; and there will be a civil war within the Roman Catholic Church. Either Francis leaves and his supporters and clients are purged. Or the Church is conceded to those who for decades have sheltered and promoted the pederasts and those who regard their abuse of minors as a matter indifferent. It is time that those bishops, archbishops, and cardinals who are innocent of such conduct stand up and force a house-cleaning. In the meantime, the laity should speak up loud and clear.

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  1. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    The Catholic conceit of being the “One True Church” wears very thin.

    It is not excessive pride with which we say this, it is with truth and history on our side.

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Why this claim, Scott?

    I make the claim because I believe in the teaching extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

    “Outside the Church there is no salvation”

    846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

    Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

    847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

    Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation.

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  2. Denys The Menace The Carthusian Inactive
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):
    While the Cardinals and Bishops have committed theological and moral murder, any Catholic who leaves the Church, knowing She is the One, True Church, commits theological and moral suicide.

    Why this claim, Scott? None of the many Bible verses dealing with apostasy mention the Roman Catholic church. The Catholic conceit of being the “One True Church” wears very thin. One could make the same claim, with greater authority, of the Eastern Orthodox church. A Catholic who was to come, say, to the Baptist church where I worship, would find a Bible-believing congregation where the pastor does not commit crimes against his parishioners. How might that be suicidal?

    Excuse me, fine sir. Where did your Bible come from? I don’t recall any passages from Sacred Scripture that mention it.

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  3. Amy Schley Coolidge
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    Could we please not rehash the entire Reformation here?

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  4. The Reticulator Member
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    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Could we please not rehash the entire Reformation here?

    You’re no fun. We haven’t even got to the Peasants’ Revolt yet.   

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  5. Amy Schley Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Could we please not rehash the entire Reformation here?

    You’re no fun. We haven’t even got to the Peasants’ Revolt yet.

    Being a moderator, I feel I must lead by example. So I’m merely going to link the Martin Luther insult generator instead of using one of its quotes as a reply. 

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  6. Denys The Menace The Carthusian Inactive
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    I just want someone to chant with:

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  7. Denys The Menace The Carthusian Inactive
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    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Could we please not rehash the entire Reformation here?

    You’ve left open the rejoinder:

    “Well, if not the entire Reformation, which part would you prefer?”

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  8. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    The Catholic conceit of being the “One True Church” wears very thin.

    It is not excessive pride with which we say this, it is with truth and history on our side.

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Why this claim, Scott?

    I make the claim because I believe in the teaching extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

    “Outside the Church there is no salvation”

    846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church SNIP:

    …the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. SNIP Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

    847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

    Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation.

    The problem with some statements you make regarding the beliefs and dogma you mention is that much of what the Roman Catholics are taught is the “Truth” of their religion is based on things discussed and then enshrined as matters of true Faith in the year 325 AD. (Nicean Council, I think that was called.)  

    All throughout the period of 300 to 400AD, the politicians inside the Church dismissed many teachings from prior to those years. So the world lost the Testament of Thomas the Apostle and other  insights as to what Christ preached.

    Nowhere in Christ’s messages was there a concept of an infallible pope. Nowhere in Christ’s words was there any discussion of how someone whose “faith had lapsed” due to persecution should be treated – forgiven or expelled? The notion of reincarnation was removed from the “True Word” – as the teaching of hell fire and loss of one’s soul to eternal damnation could not prevail if there is a chance of coming to earth once again to continue Soul Lessons that are needed. (Prior to the yr 300, it was fine to believe in reincarnation – By 316, you were a heretic if you believed in it and of course, then you would be told for this belief you would burn in hell.)

    Other matters are discussed about that time frame as well: https://www.churchhistory101.com/century4-p5.php

     

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  9. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    The Catholic conceit of being the “One True Church” wears very thin.

    It is not excessive pride with which we say this, it is with truth and history on our side.

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):
    Why this claim, Scott?

    I make the claim because I believe in the teaching extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

    “Outside the Church there is no salvation”

    846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

    Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.

    847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

    Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation.

    BTW your last paragraph, although eloquent, is not at all what I as a child was taught by the nuns in Catholic schools in the late 1950’s. I was explicitly taught not to hang out with Protestant friends because although they would not go to hell, they would go to limbo. My first and second grade teachers both insisted that all Protestants would go to an eternal limbo, and since if I lived a decent life I would go to heaven, it would be painful for me to establish relationships which  could not be eternal ones.

    @Doctor_Robert

    @Doctor Robert

     

    This teaching became the seed for my no longer trusting the nuns. Or the Roman Catholic Church. It so happened that not only were many of my little friends not Catholic, but my dad was an agnostic to boot. If he wasn’t going to heaven then the Catholic Church lost all credibility in my thinking.

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  10. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Time for another musical interlude.

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  11. Scott Wilmot Member
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    CarolJoy (View Comment):
    This teaching became the seed for my no longer trusting the nuns. Or the Roman Catholic Church.

    We all make choices. I’ll continue to put my trust in Jesus and his Church, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

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  12. Denys The Menace The Carthusian Inactive
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    BTW your last paragraph, although eloquent, is not at all what I as a child was taught by the nuns in Catholic schools in the late 1950’s. I was explicitly taught not to hang out with Protestant friends because although they would not go to hell, they would go to limbo. 

    Well, then your Catholic nuns were in error. Limbo (or Limbus Patrum) is where there is no pain of sense because no conscious sin has been committed but original sin has not been removed – its a kind of “natural” beatitude but minus the supernatural beatific vision. For anyone who has attained the age of reason, there are only 3 states:

    (1) – Hell

    (2) – Purgatory

    (3) – Heaven

    If you would like references, I’m happy to supply them but saying “a nun told me once” or “my priest said once ” isn’t a great foundation.

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  13. Scott Wilmot Member
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    Another musical interlude to carry you into the long Klavanless weekend:

    I don’t know if vimeo embeds as does youtube so here is the link to The Bones’ website:

    http://thatthebonesyouhavecrushedmaythrill.blogspot.com/2018/06/like-bridge-with-fr-james-martin-sj-and.html

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  14. Mate De Inactive
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    CarolJoy (View Comment):
    This teaching became the seed for my no longer trusting the nuns. Or the Roman Catholic Church.

    We all make choices. I’ll continue to put my trust in Jesus and his Church, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

    I get told by Protestants all be time that I’m going to hell, oh and that I’m a heretic because I’m Catholic. Since God is the final judge on that one I put my faith in the church established by Christ, and don’t get upset. Perhaps if it was flipped and your pastor was telling you your catholic friends And agnostic dad was likely going to hell ( which they would since if your dad was agnostic and therefore didn’t except Christ as lord and savior and they believe if you aren’t saved you are going to hell). Would you lose faith in your Protestant denominations?

    Also I believe and if I’m wrong correct me, that a lot of Catholicism especially in the catholic schools in the 50’s and 60’s were influenced by Irish Catholicism. As I have observed, Catholicism takes on a bit of a different flavor depending on what culture you come from. Irish Catholicism was really anti Protestant ( eh for good reason) and they brought that to the US. So maybe their approach may have been harsh but a lot of what was taught is theologically correct. The nature of ones Salvation is at the heart of the Reformation. I feel as though a lot of lapsed Catholics, get disillusioned because they didn’t like the message of the church, and were likely poorly catechized. Also the some of the nuns were seriously harsh. But during the baby boom in NYC, many of the nuns had to teach classes of 50 or 60 kids. Teachers today would faint if they saw classes that size and probably saw being harsh as the only way to maintain order

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  15. Arahant Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):
    I get told by Protestants all be time that I’m going to hell, oh and that I’m a heretic because I’m Catholic.

    Heh, I’ve been told right here on Ricochet by Catholics and Protestants alike that I’m not even Christian. Ain’t religion fun?

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  16. Mate De Inactive
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):
    I get told by Protestants all be time that I’m going to hell, oh and that I’m a heretic because I’m Catholic.

    Heh, I’ve been told right here on Ricochet by Catholics and Protestants alike that I’m not even Christian. Ain’t religion fun?

    Yea I know. My brother in law who is a lapesed Catholic was told by my brother who is an evangelical of a Calvinist bent, that he was going to hell. In a kind sort of way he wasn’t harsh but that was the point and BIL got so upset. My sister and I, both practicing Catholics were like, “uh why are you so upset? That is what he believes. “ I don’t have a beef when people tell me that because that is their theology, we all believe in Christ in the and who knows, maybe we will find each other in heaven one day laughing at our foolishness for fighting about it. 

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  17. Frank Soto Member
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    This page of comments tempts me towards atheism.

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  18. Denys The Menace The Carthusian Inactive
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    Frank Soto (View Comment):

    This page of comments tempts me towards atheism.

    Foreword

    Ludwig Ott’s Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma has proven to be an indispensable guide to Catholic doctrine since it was first published in the 1950’s. Whether in the original language or in its French and English translations, it has been favoured by generations of readers because of its rare combination of relative brevity with comprehensiveness. I congratulate Baronius Press and Dr. Robert Fastiggi for bringing out this comprehensively revised translation of the last edition of the Fundamentals.

    We live at a time of grave doctrinal confusion when the sheep are often left without shepherds. Against the dangers of doctrinal ambiguity and the loss of clarity in moral matters, the faithful are called more than ever to seek to know their faith, so they can defend it and pass it on to their children. Catechism is necessary, but perhaps now it is not enough to only know one’s Catechism. The subtlety of the many contemporary errors assaulting the faith practically require from the ordinary faithful today a good understanding of Catholic doctrine that is not separated from its traditional and immutable roots. For this task, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma is eminently suitable. It presents the immutable truths of Catholic theology backed by the teachings of the Magisterium in the past two millennia, not the latest speculations of fashionable and media-friendly theologians who in reality want another religion. It uses language that is simple and clear – virtues often forgotten today – and is brief enough to fit into one volume. May it help the light of faith shine clearer and brighter for countless Catholic faithful, may it help them live the faith in all its purity. And to all who read this book I grant my blessing.

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  19. Mate De Inactive
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    Frank Soto (View Comment):

    This page of comments tempts me towards atheism.

    Me thinks that was your proclivity before this threa. 

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  20. Frank Soto Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):

    Frank Soto (View Comment):

    This page of comments tempts me towards atheism.

    Me thinks that was your proclivity before this threa.

    Me thinks you don’t know a thing about me.  If only I had written on this site about topics like religion for years to clear this up…

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    Frank Soto (View Comment):

    Mate De (View Comment):

    Frank Soto (View Comment):

    This page of comments tempts me towards atheism.

    Me thinks that was your proclivity before this threa.

    Me thinks you don’t know a thing about me. If only I had written on this site about topics like religion for years to clear this up…

    Than why would the sins of man tempt you towards atheism? Anyone steeped in biblical teaching knows of mans fallen nature. That doesn’t negate the divine. 

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  22. Denys The Menace The Carthusian Inactive
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    Frank Soto (View Comment):

    This page of comments tempts me towards atheism.

    This page of comments makes me think of cookies. Which reminds me I have another post to make.

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    I like Judaism and Taoism, but I’m not going to do anything about it. 

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  24. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):
    Yea I know. My brother in law who is a lapesed Catholic was told by my brother who is an evangelical of a Calvinist bent, that he was going to hell. In a kind sort of way he wasn’t harsh but that was the point and BIL got so upset. My sister and I, both practicing Catholics were like, “uh why are you so upset? That is what he believes. “ I don’t have a beef when people tell me that because that is their theology, we all believe in Christ in the and who knows, maybe we will find each other in heaven one day laughing at our foolishness for fighting about it. [emphasis added]

    “…and who knows, maybe we will find each other in heaven one day laughing at our foolishness for fighting about it” sounds like a failure to seriously believe the ones we say are going to hell really are going to hell.

    Which is fine. Wonderful, in fact! I don’t think it’s right to despair of others’ salvation. But that’s also why I’d be hesitant to announce to others I thought they were going to hell. It’s not a pronouncement I’d care to make without a fair amount of certainty, and I don’t have that certainty — thank God I don’t!

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  25. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Denys The Menace The Carthusian (View Comment):

    BTW your last paragraph, although eloquent, is not at all what I as a child was taught by the nuns in Catholic schools in the late 1950’s. I was explicitly taught not to hang out with Protestant friends because although they would not go to hell, they would go to limbo.

    Well, then your Catholic nuns were in error. Limbo (or Limbus Patrum) is where there is no pain of sense because no conscious sin has been committed but original sin has not been removed – its a kind of “natural” beatitude but minus the supernatural beatific vision. For anyone who has attained the age of reason, there are only 3 states:

    (1) – Hell

    (2) – Purgatory

    (3) – Heaven

    If you would like references, I’m happy to supply them but saying “a nun told me once” or “my priest said once ” isn’t a great foundation.

    Ah, but perhaps she neglected to mention that all the Protestant friends she hung out with at the time were babies.

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  26. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    Frank Soto (View Comment):

    This page of comments tempts me towards atheism.

    Because atheists are all charitable and tolerant, and never make sweeping condemnations of other people’s beliefs?

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  27. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    What it comes down to is, I really dislike the concept of uncaused causes

    Really?  I love the concept of the uncaused cause, and it strikes me as the only remotely plausible answer I’ve ever heard to the question of “why is there something rather than nothing?”

     

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    What it comes down to is, I really dislike the concept of uncaused causes

    Really? I love the concept of the uncaused cause, and it strikes me as the only remotely plausible answer I’ve ever heard to the question of “why is there something rather than nothing?”

     

    I makes zero sense to me that there isn’t an intelligent creator. 

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  29. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    What it comes down to is, I really dislike the concept of uncaused causes

    Really? I love the concept of the uncaused cause, and it strikes me as the only remotely plausible answer I’ve ever heard to the question of “why is there something rather than nothing?”

     

    I makes zero sense to me that there isn’t an intelligent creator.

    The intelligent creator is the uncaused cause.

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  30. Frank Soto Member
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    Frank Soto (View Comment):

    This page of comments tempts me towards atheism.

    Because atheists are all charitable and tolerant, and never make sweeping condemnations of other people’s beliefs?

    So close to catching the point.  Almost had it.

     

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