Prelates and Pederasts

 

Sixteen years ago, reporters at The Boston Globe conducted an extensive investigation of the sexual abuse of minors by priests in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston. Not long thereafter, reporters elsewhere detailed similar abuse in places like Los Angeles, Chicago, New Orleans, Philadelphia, and the like. The word used in the press to describe what had been going on was pedophilia, which is a misnomer deliberately employed to cover up what journalists then considered and still consider now an inconvenient aspect of the truth.

As a report commissioned by the National Review Board of the American Catholic bishops and issued in 2004 revealed, something like 81 percent of the victims were boys, and very few of them were, in the strictest sense, children. They were nearly all what we euphemistically call young adults. They were male adolescents on the younger side – at the age when boys as they mature can briefly be downright pretty.

What was involved was what its advocates call man-boy love: a sexual relationship between a grown man who serves as a mentor and a boy who is under his care or simply admires or stand in awe of him. The ancient Greeks, who practiced this systematically in the classical period, called this phenomenon pederasty, and I wrote extensively about it 26 years ago in the first part of my hardback book Republics Ancient and Modern (the pertinent chapter can be found in the first volume of the paperback edition).

In the course of these investigations, a number of other things came to light. First, a priest named Gerald Fitzgerald – who had in 1947 in New Mexico founded a small religious order named Congregation of the Servants of the Paraclete to counsel priests who had difficulty with alcoholism, substance abuse, celibacy, and the like – had for decades been trying to alert the American bishops and officials in the Vatican (including Pope Paul VI) to the fact that priestly pederasty (which, he said, was unheard of before World War II) was within the American Catholic Church a growing problem. And he had persistently tried to persuade the hierarchy to forbid the perpetrators’ supervision of boys and to laicize them – all to no avail.

It also turned out that in 1984, when a scandal of this sort broke out in the diocese of Lafayette, LA, a Dominican priest named Thomas P. O’Doyle — who was a canon lawyer working for the Papal Nuncio in Washington and had seen numerous reports of a similar kind cross his desk – had joined with a Louisiana lawyer named F. Ray Mouton, Jr., and another priest, a psychiatrist named Michael Peterson, who directed a hospital for troubled priests and knew a great deal, to conduct an extensive investigation of clerical misconduct along these lines throughout the United States. The report that these three men produced was sent to every bishop in the country in May 1985, and then it was ignored – and bishop after bishop continued the long-standing practice of covering up the scandals that arose, of paying off the victims and eliciting from them a non-disclosure agreement, and of transferring the perpetrators from one parish to another and even from one diocese to another.

Not long after the scandal first broke and the National Review Board issued its 2004 report, I was a guest at a dinner hosted by a Catholic friend, as was a highly intelligent, young local priest who, everyone knew, would someday become a bishop. By then it was evident to anyone who bothered to read the report that pederasty, not pedophilia, was the problem, and I had long known that there were seminaries in the United States that were essentially cathouses in which all of the cats were male.

When talk turned to the clerical scandal, I suggested that the fatal decision made by the American bishops in 1985 to continue the practice of covering everything up must have come from Rome. If, I argued, every diocese followed the same procedures, the bishops must have received guidance from the center. Could it then be the case, I asked, that this is not a peculiarly American problem; that this is going on elsewhere, all over the world; that Rome is the epicenter; and that the Papal nuncio in Washington or his superiors at the Vatican are complicit? Could it be the case that the colleges in Rome, established for the education of especially promising seminarians from all over the world, were in effect gay bordellos and that promotion into the hierarchy for many a young priest came at a price?

My host knew what I was talking about. He had once been a Jesuit novice, and he had been expelled from the Jesuits by the provincial for complaining about the sexual misconduct going on in the novitiate all around him. What I remember most vividly, however, was the silence of the young priest at the dinner table. He had been talkative. Now he said not a word. He was even then a handsome young man, and he had studied at the North American College at a time when he was no doubt even more striking. As we left, I remember saying to my wife, “He knows more than he is willing to divulge.”

I do not mean to say that he was complicit. I doubt that very much. I do mean to suggest that he had received unwanted attention and that he knew that, if he talked about it, it would put a stop to his clerical career.

Later, of course, it became evident that my suspicions with regard to Rome were justified. In the intervening years, there have been scandals identical to the American scandal in Canada, Australia, Belgium, Bavaria, Ireland, Honduras, Chile, and elsewhere. And, a few years ago, we learned that a host of high-level figures in the Curia were being blackmailed by their male lovers. I am told that Pope Benedict, who had already by that time contracted Parkinson’s Disease, resigned his office in this connection because he knew that there needed to be a purge and he feared that he did not have the physical stamina to carry it out himself. In his memoirs, Pope Benedict touches on the “gay lobby” and confesses to a lack of resoluteness on his own part. As everyone understood at the time, the task of cleaning house was to be left to his successor.

In the interim between Pope Benedict’s papacy and that of his successor, we received another indication of the depth of the problem. In the newspapers of Scotland, we learned that Keith Michael Patrick O’Brien, a cardinal and archbishop who was the Primate of Scotland, had been buggering seminarians and young priests for years and that nothing had been done in response to the complaints that they had submitted to the Papal Nuncio. It was only when they went public in 2013 that the Vatican acted.

Unfortunately, however, Benedict’s successor was Jorge Mario Bergoglio of Argentina – the man who calls himself Pope Francis. As a Belgian cardinal named Gottfried Daneels – who had been removed as an archbishop because he had covered up pederasty on the part of another Belgian cardinal and had come out in support of contraception, divorce, gay marriage, euthanasia, and abortion – revealed in his memoirs, Bergoglio’s candidacy was promoted by the St. Gallen Group, a part of what Catholics call “the Lavender Mafia.” This disgraced figure stood on the balcony with Bergoglio after he was elected Pope; he was chosen to say the prayer at the new Pope’s inauguration; and there was joy in the ranks of those inclined to break the vow of celibacy.

If you want to get a sense of what such people thought, I suggest that you read “The Vatican’s Secret Life,” an article that appeared in Vanity Fair in December 2013. It is an eye-opener. Its author, Michael Joseph Gross, is not scandalized by what he found. He celebrates it; and, tellingly, he never once mentions, even under the guise of pedophilia, the propensity of prominent priests to indulge in pederasty. As Gross observes,

At the Vatican, a significant number of gay prelates and other gay clerics are in positions of great authority. They may not act as a collective but are aware of one another’s existence. And they inhabit a secretive netherworld, because homosexuality is officially condemned. Though the number of gay priests in general, and specifically among the Curia in Rome, is unknown, the proportion is much higher than in the general population. Between 20 and 60 percent of all Catholic priests are gay, according to one estimate cited by Donald B. Cozzens in his well-regarded The Changing Face of the Priesthood. For gay clerics at the Vatican, one fundamental condition of their power, and of their priesthood, is silence, at least in public, about who they really are.

Clerics inhabit this silence in a variety of ways. A few keep their sexuality entirely private and adhere to the vow of celibacy. Many others quietly let themselves be known as gay to a limited degree, to some colleagues, or to some laypeople, or both; sometimes they remain celibate and sometimes they do not. A third way, perhaps the least common but certainly the most visible, involves living a double life. Occasionally such clerics are unmasked, usually by stories in the Italian press. In 2010, for the better part of a month, one straight journalist pretended to be the boyfriend of a gay man who acted as a “honeypot” and entrapped actual gay priests in various sexual situations. (The cardinal vicar of Rome was given the task of investigating. The priests’ fates are unknown.)

There are at least a few gay cardinals, including one whose long-term partner is a well-known minister in a Protestant denomination. There is the notorious monsignor nicknamed “Jessica,” who likes to visit a pontifical university and pass out his business card to 25-year-old novices. (Among the monsignor’s pickup lines: “Do you want to see the bed of John XXIII?”) There’s the supposedly straight man who has a secret life as a gay prostitute in Rome and posts photographs online of the innermost corridors of the Vatican. Whether he received this privileged access from some friend or family member, or from a client, is impossible to say; to see a known rent boy in black leather on a private Vatican balcony does raise an eyebrow.

I recommend that you read the whole article. The author interviewed a great many clerics in Rome, and he makes it clear that they were delighted with the choice of Bergoglio and with his selection of advisers.

They had reason to be delighted. Since his election, Pope Francis has done everything within his power to soften and subvert the Church’s teaching concerning human sexuality. He put the Lavender Mafia in charge of the two Synods on the Family held in 2014 and 2015. They tried to push through their agenda; and, when the assembled bishops balked, they got a tongue-lashing from the Pope, and he inserted in the final report without comment two paragraphs that had not received the requisite two-thirds vote. All of this – including the machinations of the St. Gallen Group and the role played by Cardinal Daneels – is laid out in detail by an English Catholic, who was in Rome during the early year of this papacy, and who writes under the pseudonym Marcantonio Colonna. The title is The Dictator Pope: The Inside Story of the Francis Papacy.

In the last few weeks, we have received further evidence of the power of the prelate-pederasts. A grand jury convened in Pennsylvania has revealed that Donald Wuerl, while bishop of Pittsburgh, covered up a priest-run child-porn ring and a host of other abuses cases involving something on the order of 100 priests, using the age-old trick of pay-offs and non-disclosure agreements. But this did not stop him from being named Archbishop of Washington DC and of being made a Cardinal – which is to say, a Prince of the Church. He was not even high on the list of possible nominees submitted by the Papal Nuncio. Someone powerful in the Vatican wanted him promoted, and Pope Francis responded to the news of his guilt not by ordering an investigation into Wuerl’s promotion, but with a dodge – by attributing collective guilty to us all.

This past weekend, the chickens finally came home to roost. We had already learned of the predatory conduct of Theodore McCarrick, Wuerl’s predecessor as Cardinal-Archbishop of Washington. The evidence showed that he had buggered altar boys and seminarians while auxiliary bishop in New York, bishop of Metuchen in New Jersey, and Archbishop of Newark. Formal complaints had been lodged against him as the 1990s and continued to be lodged in later years, but they were ignored, and he was nonetheless promoted. On Saturday night, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, who was the Papal Nuncio in Washington from 2011 to 2016, released an eleven-page testament, revealing that Pope Benedict had learned of McCarrick’s conduct, that he had acted against the man in 2009 or 2010 by silencing him, prohibiting him from travel, and forbidding him to say mass in public; that in 2013 he had himself personally warned Pope Francis against McCarrick, spelling out in detail the man’s misdeeds; that Francis had reversed the restrictions imposed on McCarrick by Benedict; that he had taken him as his chief American advisor; and that Francis had ignored the advice of the Papal Nuncio and accepted that of McCarrick in choosing archbishops and bishops for the United States – including Blaise Cupich, the Cardinal-Archbishop of Chicago, and Joseph Tobin, the Cardinal-Archbishop of Newark. Viganò also did something on Saturday night that, as far as I know, no high-ranking prelate has done in more than six hundred years. He called on the Pope to resign.

In the meantime, Monsignor Jean-Francois Lantheaume, former first counsellor at the apostolic nunciature in Washington, DC has emerged to confirm that Viganò‘s predecessor had been instructed to confine McCarrick by Pope Benedict, that he had himself witnessed the confrontation with McCarrick, and that everything else that Viganò himself had said was true. To this, we must add that Viganò named names in the Vatican, specifying which high officials had obstructed the investigation into McCarrick’s conduct.

As all of this suggests, we are now at a turning point. The Lavender Mafia controls the Papacy and the Vatican overall, and Pope Francis is packing the College of Cardinals, who will elect the next Pope, with sympathizers. Pope Francis and his minions have now been exposed, named, and shamed; and there will be a civil war within the Roman Catholic Church. Either Francis leaves and his supporters and clients are purged. Or the Church is conceded to those who for decades have sheltered and promoted the pederasts and those who regard their abuse of minors as a matter indifferent. It is time that those bishops, archbishops, and cardinals who are innocent of such conduct stand up and force a house-cleaning. In the meantime, the laity should speak up loud and clear.

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  1. Herbert defender of the Realm,… Member
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    Not a Catholic, or even a Christian, but I will just observe that if the Church cannot cleanse itself of this stain, whatever moral authority it might have to preach to the rest of us about sexuality is at a complete end.

    Well there will always be true believers, but the polls show(birth control, homosexuality and even abortion (about 50/50 in last poll I saw)) that in the U.S. the Catholic Church has lost its moral authority awhile back.

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    Cato Rand (View Comment):

    I don’t doubt much of this but am I misreading the OP if I think it implies (without saying) that a high percentage of gay priests have sexual relations with minors? I wonder if that’s true? I doubt it. I certainly won’t defend the ones who do. But neither will I slander the ones who don’t by painting with an unduly broad brush.

    I also wonder who’s responsible for the “hidden netherworld” – those who inhabit it? Or those who make it necessary by persecuting its inhabitants? 30 years ago, gay life was everywhere a “hidden netherworld” at next to no fault of gay people. It was so at the time of most of these crimes, and it still is so in much of the world. If having red hair was grounds for assault, imprisonment, or loss of jobs, families, friends and homes, there would be a “hidden netherworld” of redheads (who dyed their hair to pass).

    So, it was heterosexual Society which forced these gay men to take vows in a religious institution which condemned  homosexuality and enjoins celibacy upon them, so they could engage freely in homosexual intercourse?   Is that what you’re saying?

    Is that true?

    Haven’t there also always been non-religious gay “netherworlds”?

    What did Auden mean, 60 years ago,, when he said “Berlin means boys”?

    This particular cover just seems to have been the safest.  And for the longest time.

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    Locke On (View Comment):

    Not a Catholic, or even a Christian, but I will just observe that if the Church cannot cleanse itself of this stain, whatever moral authority it might have to preach to the rest of us about sexuality is at a complete end.

    The teaching of sexual morality comes from God. The church merely maintained the sexual morality, the church didn’t make it up. Obviously humans, being fallen creature open to worldly desires doesn’t negate natural law, which come from God, not the church

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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I don’t quite know what to do…Cupich is our bishop. He’s been a thorn in the side ever since he showed up. What good would it do to write to him at all?

    Paul A. Rahe: First, a priest named Gerald Fitzgerald – who had in 1947 in New Mexico founded a small religious order named Congregation of the Servants of the Paraclete to counsel priests who had difficulty with alcoholism, substance abuse, celibacy, and the like – had for decades been trying to alert the American bishops and officials in the Vatican (including Pope Paul VI) to the fact that priestly pederasty (which, he said, was unheard of before World War II)….

    This last, to me, is fascinating.

    Does anyone think that the quality of priests in regards to pedophiles in the ranks was better pre WWII?

    Do you have evidence that it wasn’t?

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    Hypatia (View Comment):

    Cato Rand (View Comment):

    Is that true?

    Haven’t there also always been non-religious gay “netherworlds”?

    What did Auden mean, 60 years ago,, when he said “Berlin means boys”?

    This particular cover just seems to have been the safest. And for the longest time.

    The organized persecution and rejection of heterosexual seminarians in favor of homosexual candidates has been going on for several decades and was covered by Michael S. Rose in Goodbye Good Men among other books at the time.  You can easily google the case of Fr John O’ Connor a former Dominican in Chicago who tried to blow the whistle back in the 1970’s and 1980’s and his expulsion from the Dominican order as a reward for his troubles. This is pretty old news.

     

     

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    Not a Catholic, or even a Christian, but I will just observe that if the Church cannot cleanse itself of this stain, whatever moral authority it might have to preach to the rest of us about sexuality is at a complete end.

    The teaching of sexual morality comes from God. The church merely maintained the sexual morality, the church didn’t make it up. Obviously humans, being fallen creature open to worldly desires doesn’t negate natural law, which come from God, not the church

    From the point of view of a non-believer, the Church’s preachings on sexual morality come from the mouths of humans.  And when they act blatantly in contradiction to their teachings, and cover for others who do so, it undermines any authority they might have gained by being at least consistent adherents to what they professed to believe. 

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  7. Herbert defender of the Realm,… Member
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    I don’t quite know what to do…Cupich is our bishop. He’s been a thorn in the side ever since he showed up. What good would it do to write to him at all?

    Paul A. Rahe: First, a priest named Gerald Fitzgerald – who had in 1947 in New Mexico founded a small religious order named Congregation of the Servants of the Paraclete to counsel priests who had difficulty with alcoholism, substance abuse, celibacy, and the like – had for decades been trying to alert the American bishops and officials in the Vatican (including Pope Paul VI) to the fact that priestly pederasty (which, he said, was unheard of before World War II)….

    This last, to me, is fascinating.

    Does anyone think that the quality of priests in regards to pedophiles in the ranks was better pre WWII?

    Do you have evidence that it wasn’t?

    Why would human nature change 70 years ago?   

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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):

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    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I don’t quite know what to do…Cupich is our bishop. He’s been a thorn in the side ever since he showed up. What good would it do to write to him at all?

    Paul A. Rahe: First, a priest named Gerald Fitzgerald – who had in 1947 in New Mexico founded a small religious order named Congregation of the Servants of the Paraclete to counsel priests who had difficulty with alcoholism, substance abuse, celibacy, and the like – had for decades been trying to alert the American bishops and officials in the Vatican (including Pope Paul VI) to the fact that priestly pederasty (which, he said, was unheard of before World War II)….

    This last, to me, is fascinating.

    Does anyone think that the quality of priests in regards to pedophiles in the ranks was better pre WWII?

    Do you have evidence that it wasn’t?

    Why would human nature change 70 years ago?

    The question’s already been explored in depth. When you finish reading the book let me know. In addition to being deliberately infiltrated, time tested ascetical practices were abandoned for deranged psychological theories with predictable consequences.

    After Asceticism provides a close up look at the clergy sex abuse crisis still rocking the Catholic Church. The first study of its kind, it shows how the infiltration of therapeutic psychology on the training and lifestyles of clergy spawned a cavalier attitude in many priests and bishops about sex and prayer, causing the collapse of ascetical discipline with its devastating effects in the sex abuse crisis. Chapters probe the findings of the John Jay Report on clerical sexual misconduct; that sexual misconduct by priests was rare in the first half of the twentieth century because of the dedication to ascetical discipline; why the volumes of past research on the psychology of priests failed to predict the sexual crisis; whether homosexual priests can remain chaste. After Asceticism moves beyond criticism to an eye-opening explanation on how self-denial, fasting, and religious devotion work together to bolster attitudes and behavior for complete sexual abstinence. After Asceticism draws the connection between the ancient ideas about sex, prayer, and spiritual friendship with modern scientific research on the biology of fasting and the psychology of hope. It warns, however, that as society becomes more deeply immersed in pagan sexuality, the Catholic Church will remain mired in sexual crisis absent a return to its ascetical tradition.

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  9. Herbert defender of the Realm,… Member
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    Go Ahead Redact My Day (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):

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    Is that true?

    Haven’t there also always been non-religious gay “netherworlds”?

    What did Auden mean, 60 years ago,, when he said “Berlin means boys”?

    This particular cover just seems to have been the safest. And for the longest time.

    The organized persecution and rejection of heterosexual seminarians in favor of homosexual candidates has been going on for several decades and was covered by Michael S. Rose in Goodbye Good Men among other books at the time. You can easily google the case of Fr John O’ Connor a former Dominican in Chicago who tried to blow the whistle back in the 1970’s and 1980’s and his expulsion from the Dominican order as a reward for his troubles. This is pretty old news.

     

     

    Organized, or just a byproduct of screening out aprori a ton of people who aren’t interested in chastity or being single?  When you limit your pool to those who are expected to avoid intimate relations for a lifetime,  don’t be surprised at the outcome.

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    The Gay Priest Problem June 03, 2002
    AIDS has quietly caused the deaths of hundreds of Roman Catholic priests in the United States although other causes may be listed on some of their death certificates, the Kansas City Star reported today. The newspaper said its examination of death certificates and interviews with experts indicates several hundred priests have died of AIDS-related illnesses since the mid-1980s. The death rate of priests from AIDS is at least four times that of the general population, the newspaper said. Kansas City Bishop Raymond Boland says the AIDS deaths show that priests are human.

    Astonishing, when you think about it. The paragraph above comes from an Associated Press report on a series of newspaper articles by Judy L. Thomas that appeared in January of 2000. It is too much to say Catholics were “rocked” by the attendant media hype–the scandal threshold has been raised pretty high in recent years–but among the laity the articles occasioned, if not a gasp, at least a general sigh of exasperation. From all sides, almost, one heard the complaint “Why doesn’t somebody do something?” Why not indeed.

     

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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):
    Why would human nature change 70 years ago?

    The possibility is that it was not human nature, but who had the levers of power at the seminaries.

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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):

    Go Ahead Redact My Day (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):

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    Is that true?

    Haven’t there also always been non-religious gay “netherworlds”?

    What did Auden mean, 60 years ago,, when he said “Berlin means boys”?

    This particular cover just seems to have been the safest. And for the longest time.

    The organized persecution and rejection of heterosexual seminarians in favor of homosexual candidates has been going on for several decades and was covered by Michael S. Rose in Goodbye Good Men among other books at the time. You can easily google the case of Fr John O’ Connor a former Dominican in Chicago who tried to blow the whistle back in the 1970’s and 1980’s and his expulsion from the Dominican order as a reward for his troubles. This is pretty old news.

    Organized, or just a byproduct of screening out aprori a ton of people who aren’t interested in chastity or being single? When you limit your pool to those who are expected to avoid intimate relations for a lifetime, don’t be surprised at the outcome.

    I’ve got no interested in continuing a discussion with someone who simply trots out tired tropes that show no evidence of any thought or analysis. I provided you several books that have already explored the question in detail. If you’d like to continue pounding the table instead of pounding the books then be my guest. The facts are easily obtained for those who wish to exert even a modest amount of effort to read them.

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  13. Herbert defender of the Realm,… Member
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    Go Ahead Redact My Day (View Comment):

    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):

    Go Ahead Redact My Day (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):

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    Is that true?

    Haven’t there also always been non-religious gay “netherworlds”?

    What did Auden mean, 60 years ago,, when he said “Berlin means boys”?

    This particular cover just seems to have been the safest. And for the longest time.

    The organized persecution and rejection of heterosexual seminarians in favor of homosexual candidates has been going on for several decades and was covered by Michael S. Rose in Goodbye Good Men among other books at the time. You can easily google the case of Fr John O’ Connor a former Dominican in Chicago who tried to blow the whistle back in the 1970’s and 1980’s and his expulsion from the Dominican order as a reward for his troubles. This is pretty old news.

    Organized, or just a byproduct of screening out aprori a ton of people who aren’t interested in chastity or being single? When you limit your pool to those who are expected to avoid intimate relations for a lifetime, don’t be surprised at the outcome.

    I’ve got no interested in continuing a discussion with someone who simply trots out tired tropes that show no evidence of any thought or analysis. I provided you several books that have already explored the question in detail. If you’d like to continue pounding the table instead of pounding the books then be my guest. The facts are easily obtained for those who wish to exert even a modest amount of effort to read them.

    I’ll leave you to the high falutin theories, I’ll stick to what seems to me more common sense….. you create a profession (respectability conferred), impose the requirements that there be no marriage or intimate relations for a lifetime,   The quality of your applicants are gonna include an inordinate amount of gays (who couldn’t get married, and probably aren’t as convinced on the celibacy idea), and an inordinate number of people afraid of intimate relationships.   Couple that with a shortage of priests (hence the need to accept questionable candidates).  You have a problem with misbehaving(deviant) priests.

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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):
    Why would human nature change 70 years ago?

    The integrity of an organization/institutions does. For example, “O’Sullivan’s First Law.”

    Subversion is the easy path, particularly when something of value has been created. Nothing new. A hard working generation creates wealth; the next attempts to preserve it; thereafter, it is despoiled.

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    Go Ahead Redact My Day (View Comment):
    The first study of its kind, it shows how the infiltration of therapeutic psychology on the training and lifestyles of clergy

    Which in turn was probably the consequence of a growing number of psychologists and psychiatrists being turned out after WWII thanks to the GI Bill.

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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):
    The quality of your applicants are gonna include an inordinate amount of gays

    Your assumption is based on the fever the times (and 1960s related). Maybe an anachronistic view of the history, and future of the Church.

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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):
    The quality of your applicants are gonna include an inordinate amount of gays

    Your assumption is based on the fever the times (and 1960s related). Maybe an anachronistic view of the history, and future of the Church.

    I Don’t follow your comment.

    I’m a gay Catholic guy (nuns were same issue). It’s 1960.   Not attracted to women or the idea of marrying one.   I am not out, I want to be in a respectable position.   What are the options I have?  

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    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    I don’t quite know what to do…Cupich is our bishop. He’s been a thorn in the side ever since he showed up. What good would it do to write to him at all?

    Paul A. Rahe: First, a priest named Gerald Fitzgerald – who had in 1947 in New Mexico founded a small religious order named Congregation of the Servants of the Paraclete to counsel priests who had difficulty with alcoholism, substance abuse, celibacy, and the like – had for decades been trying to alert the American bishops and officials in the Vatican (including Pope Paul VI) to the fact that priestly pederasty (which, he said, was unheard of before World War II)….

    This last, to me, is fascinating.

    Cardinal Spellman became archbishop of NY in 1939.  I suspect that he was an active gay man early in life.  There is strong evidence that he was an active gay man when he was a Cardinal.

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    Not a Catholic, or even a Christian, but I will just observe that if the Church cannot cleanse itself of this stain, whatever moral authority it might have to preach to the rest of us about sexuality is at a complete end.

    The teaching of sexual morality comes from God. The church merely maintained the sexual morality, the church didn’t make it up. Obviously humans, being fallen creature open to worldly desires doesn’t negate natural law, which come from God, not the church

    From the point of view of a non-believer, the Church’s preachings on sexual morality come from the mouths of humans. And when they act blatantly in contradiction to their teachings, and cover for others who do so, it undermines any authority they might have gained by being at least consistent adherents to what they professed to believe.

    You can look at your own body to know what natural law is. You can look at the results of those who raise children outside of what Natural law teach. Man is fallen and as the bible says put not your faith in princes. All of this  is available to everyone , if they just open their eyes to it. The church maintained moral law, it didn’t invent it.

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  20. Unsk Member
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    Herbert the Defender: “I don’t think it is Coincidental that both institutions, the Catholic Church and the Republican Party have lost their way to moral rot at the same time. ”

    While I do not want to in any way forgive the treasonous betrayals of the Republican Establishment, I  think this conflict in the Church, where homosexual predator priests and their allies want to turn up side down the teachings of Christ mirrors  America’s problems not just with the Republican Party, but in a much larger sense it’s problems with the utterly disgusting Progressive Left and their Republican fellow travelers who  want to up end our Constitutional Republic and  destroy all of our inalienable rights.  In some ways it is the same struggle; the Left wants to destroy civil society in all it’s forms wherever it finds it and replace that civil society  with an atheist predatory dictatorship and inhumane tyranny.

    I greatly appreciate Paul’s extensive research and very thorough post.  This diabolical Leftist  inspired Civil War, that has been gaining strength below the surface of Civil Society for many decades , has now come out into the open here and in the Vatican, and exposing this threat  in a direct and informative manner is a great service. Clarity is always welcome.

    This Pope and his allies within the “Lavender Mafia “need to be removed from office, and expelled from all Priestly responsibilities.   Immediately, decisively and very publicly.

    Many in the church have a confused idea about the forgiving of sins without contrition. The Left is never contrite and I doubt  very many of these pederast priests and their allies are contrite either. This Pope clearly isn’t. His  sins are an unholy abomination.  He is the epitome of evil.   I am glad his sins are finally out there for the world to see.  There can be no more delusions that this Pope is a pious and holy man. He is not.

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  21. Marythefifth Inactive
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    I think the Republican party and the Roman Catholic church both suffer the consequences of failing to teach of the foundation of their beliefs to their members.

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  22. James Lileks Contributor
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    This Pope and his allies within the “Lavender Mafia “need to be removed from office, and expelled from all Priestly responsibilities. Immediately, decisively and very publicly.

    If it happens, this will be blamed on homophobia,  which is a disqualifying attribute for any institution these days. I suspect that the narrative on this story will cast the critics as illiberal opponents of a necessary new church which turns away from matters of the soul, and concerns itself with more important issues, like inequality and climate.

    The church will be readmitted to enlightened society – meaning, the readers of Vox, Buzzfeed, and the NYT Book Review section – when it sheds its alienating and divisive doctrines, and adopts the common texts of the progressive movement. Two popes from now the pontiff will show up on the balcony on Easter in a bunny uniform. Behold, the word made meme. 

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  23. Cato Rand Inactive
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    I don’t doubt much of this but am I misreading the OP if I think it implies (without saying) that a high percentage of gay priests have sexual relations with minors? I wonder if that’s true? I doubt it. I certainly won’t defend the ones who do. But neither will I slander the ones who don’t by painting with an unduly broad brush.

    I also wonder who’s responsible for the “hidden netherworld” – those who inhabit it? Or those who make it necessary by persecuting its inhabitants? 30 years ago, gay life was everywhere a “hidden netherworld” at next to no fault of gay people. It was so at the time of most of these crimes, and it still is so in much of the world. If having red hair was grounds for assault, imprisonment, or loss of jobs, families, friends and homes, there would be a “hidden netherworld” of redheads (who dyed their hair to pass).

    So, it was heterosexual Society which forced these gay men to take vows in a religious institution which condemned homosexuality and enjoins celibacy upon them, so they could engage freely in homosexual intercourse? Is that what you’re saying?

    Is that true?

    It was heterosexual society (and many religious institutions) that forced these gay men into hiding.  It didn’t “force” them into the church.  But by making the church a place of nominal celibacy, it did turn the church into a convenient place to hide.

     

    Haven’t there also always been non-religious gay “netherworlds”?

    Yes.  That’s exactly what I said.  Did you actually bother to read what I said?  Or did you just start sputtering with rage at it?

    What did Auden mean, 60 years ago,, when he said “Berlin means boys”?

    I have no idea, but one 60 year old quote doesn’t add much to this conversation.

    This particular cover just seems to have been the safest. And for the longest time.

    Yes.  Exactly.

     

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  24. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    If it happens, this will be blamed on homophobia, which is a disqualifying attribute for any institution these days. I suspect that the narrative on this story will cast the critics as illiberal opponents of a necessary new church

    Already happening. Today, National Propaganda Radio was pushing the idea that Archbishop Viganò is a disgruntled homophobe with a grudge against the Pope.

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  25. Cato Rand Inactive
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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):

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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):
    The quality of your applicants are gonna include an inordinate amount of gays

    Your assumption is based on the fever the times (and 1960s related). Maybe an anachronistic view of the history, and future of the Church.

    I Don’t follow your comment.

    I’m a gay Catholic guy (nuns were same issue). It’s 1960. Not attracted to women or the idea of marrying one. I am not out, I want to be in a respectable position. What are the options I have?

    Or for that matter, I’m a pedophile Catholic guy.  It’s 1960.  I’m not attracted to adult women or the idea of marrying one.  I want to be in a respectable position . . . .

    Bottom line, in a world that persecutes anyone with non-standard sexual and romantic inclinations, a respectable profession that mandates celibacy looks like a safe place to hide.

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  26. Herbert defender of the Realm,… Member
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    Cato Rand (View Comment):

    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):

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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):
    The quality of your applicants are gonna include an inordinate amount of gays

    Your assumption is based on the fever the times (and 1960s related). Maybe an anachronistic view of the history, and future of the Church.

    I Don’t follow your comment.

    I’m a gay Catholic guy (nuns were same issue). It’s 1960. Not attracted to women or the idea of marrying one. I am not out, I want to be in a respectable position. What are the options I have?

    Or for that matter, I’m a pedophile Catholic guy. It’s 1960. I’m not attracted to adult women or the idea of marrying one. I want to be in a respectable position . . . .

    Bottom line, in a world that persecutes anyone with non-standard sexual and romantic inclinations, a respectable profession that mandates celibacy looks like a safe place to hide.

    Right…. priests sign  up right after highschool right? So  17/18. You are a Catholic and you have been having ( or acting on) deviant (as taught by the church)  thoughts. You aren’t happy with your situation and want to either fix yourself or put yourself in a situation that limits your access or exposure.     Priesthood would seem like a good option… A. maybe it fixes you or B maybe you get in situation where temptation can be avoided.    I would think there are very few 17/18 year olds that calculatingly sign up with the plan to exploit the opportunities being a priest or nun would provide.

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  27. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Sorry for the non-Catholic question, but why don’t non-celibate priests just say, “this isn’t for me. I’m sorry.” And live honest lives as non-celibate men? Why the insistence on being what you are not?

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    Herbert the Defender: “I don’t think it is Coincidental that both institutions, the Catholic Church and the Republican Party have lost their way to moral rot at the same time. ”

    While I do not want to in any way forgive the treasonous betrayals of the Republican Establishment, I think this conflict in the Church, where homosexual predator priests and their allies want to turn up side down the teachings of Christ mirrors America’s problems not just with the Republican Party, but in a much larger sense it’s problems with the utterly disgusting Progressive Left and their Republican fellow travelers who want to up end our Constitutional Republic and destroy all of our inalienable rights. In some ways it is the same struggle; the Left wants to destroy civil society in all it’s forms wherever it finds it and replace that civil society with an atheist predatory dictatorship and inhumane tyranny.

    There are a lot of Republicans that really really believe in propriety or whatever, and they effectively like, or somehow profit off of the centralization that is causing so much difficulty today. It’s a racket. It sounds like the Catholic church is sort of a racket or something. Organized crime. Government is organized crime. The Catholic church is centralized compared to other religions, too. The Constitution promoted decentralization. We have been dismantling it for 100 years. Lowest Lerner killed the tea party and now we’ve got Trump.

    Those are just my amateur observations. I am not an expert on this.

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  29. Mike Rapkoch Member
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    Wonderful and exhaustive analysis. As a lifelong Catholic I am beyond bereft. But in a strange way my faith seems a bit stronger knowing the King of Glory still sits on His throne.

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  30. Paul A. Rahe Member
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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):

    Paul A. Rahe: As all of this suggests, we are now at a turning point. The Lavender Mafia controls the Papacy and the Vatican overall, and Pope Francis is packing the College of Cardinals, who will elect the next Pope, with sympathizers. Pope Francis and his minions have now been exposed, named, and shamed; and there will be a civil war within the Roman Catholic Church. Either Francis leaves and his supporters and clients are purged. Or the Church is conceded to those who for decades have sheltered and promoted the pederasts and those who regard their abuse of minors as a matter indifferent. It is time that those bishops, archbishops, and cardinals who are innocent of such conduct stand up and force a house-cleaning. In the meantime, the laity should speak up loud and clear.

    I don’t think it is Coincidental that both institutions, the Catholic Church and the Republican Party have lost their way to moral rot at the same time. When the necessity for good character of the people running the institution are downplayed in favor of retaining power all hell breaks loose.

    So who do you think could be the Catholic Church’s Trump to clean out all this rot?

    I would favor Vigano, who is not even a Cardinal

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