A Wellstone Moment

 

Eleven days before the 2002 general election, Sen. Paul Wellstone (D–MN), his wife and daughter and five others, were killed in a plane crash while campaigning for re-election. The memorial service held four days later in Williams Arena on the campus of the University of Minnesota was a debacle.

First, the Wellstone family demanded that Vice President Dick Cheney not attend. Then the Senate Minority Leader, Trent Lott (R–MS) was met with scattered boos when he entered the arena. After some relatively bland tributes, Wellstone’s campaign treasurer, Rick Kahn, took to the stage. He turned the service into a political rally. He implored everyone to use the tragedy for political gain, especially calling out Rep. Jim Ramstad, a moderate Republican and friend to Wellstone, to ensure a Democratic victory over Norm Coleman.

By the end, there were beach balls being tossed in the crowd (Yes, someone brought a beach ball to a funeral) and thousands of people started chanting “Fritz! Fritz! Fritz!” when Wellstone’s replacement on the ballot, former Vice President Walter Mondale, was shown on the JumboTron. Freed from the constraints by Kahn, Sen. Tom Harkin (D–IA) continued the rally mood. Before it was over, Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura (I) felt compelled to just walk out.

It was, said future Senator Al Franken, the fault of the Republicans. While admitting that “reasonable people of good will were genuinely offended” it was the “manufactured outrage” of the Republicans that made it worse than it was. And perhaps he had a point. The attendees were, in their grief, being honest. There was nothing said the night of Oct. 29 that they didn’t say and believe on the night of October 24th.

Which brings us to the events of this past weekend and the death of Sen. John McCain. On both the left and the right, people who had no use for the man in life have stumbled over themselves to praise him because they believe that in doing so, they can inflict damage on the current occupant of the White House. Unlike the Wellstone incident, this grief-cum-political-statement carries with it the crackle of Confederate currency. A date-filtered Google search confined to the period between the 2008 GOP Convention and the election of Barack Obama shows that both the media and many of his Republican colleagues carried a very different view of the late Senator from Arizona.

In the aftermath of McCain’s passing, I was determined to stay out of it, adhering to the adage of not speaking ill of the dead. But inevitably someone went “there” — that is offering praise to the Senator as a means of going after Mr. Trump. I was excoriated for pointing that out. And I did retreat from the conversation, not due to anything that was said to me, but because it was a work/travel day that kept me offline. But there was nothing I said on Saturday night that I would not have said publicly on the previous Thursday.

Because in the end, John McCain III and Donald Trump are more similar than not: both loutish, both thin-skinned, both convenient with the truth, and both centered on themselves. His life stands a very imperfect vessel to use as a cudgel against another very imperfect man currently on the political stage.

The member that praised one to damn another was undoubtedly sincere and honest in both sentiments, which is more than can be said for the news media. Ten years ago, the same people that were worshiping him over the weekend were savaging McCain as a Nazi. Many on the right are gobbling it up, retweeting, reposting, and generally ignoring the hypocrisy.

In the end, what is more destructive? A brutal and honest “incivility” or false, disingenuous platitudes of the dead crafted to be yielded as a political weapon in the heat of the present moment?

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  1. Lash LaRoche Inactive
    Lash LaRoche
    @MikeLaRoche

    Well said, EJ.

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    EJHill: Because in the end, John McCain III and Donald Trump are more similar than not: both loutish, both thin-skinned, both convenient with the truth, and both centered on themselves. His life stands a very imperfect vessel to use as a cudgel against another very imperfect man currently on the political stage.

    I think this is very true. And it shows that in liking one man or the other is not based on reason but on emotion. Personally, I have no issue with that. Emotion is what motivates us all, not reason. What gets us into trouble is when we take an emotional response, cloak it in reason, and then view anyone who disagrees as being irrational. 

    McCain was a nasty man. I knew that when I voted for him. I voted for him because I thought he was better than the alternative. He lost. I did not then spend time trying to oust, or thinking about ousting the guy who won. I believe in a peaceful transfer of power, and that elections need to follow the rules laid out ahead of time. I am most passionate about that. 

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  3. Suspira Member
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    I choose civility.

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    And it shows that in liking one man or the other is not based on reason but on emotion. Personally, I have no issue with that. Emotion is what motivates us all, not reason. What gets us into trouble is when we take an emotional response, cloak it in reason, and then view anyone who disagrees as being irrational. 

    This is dead-on and it is killing this country. 

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  5. Larry3435 Inactive
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    Excellent post, and right on the money.

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  6. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    The shame is that such men are elected and re-elected. 

    It’s a by-product of the immense and unfettered power of the federal government that “louts” are elected and made our only choices for governing. 

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  7. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Member
    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen
    @tommeyer

    I hadn’t thought of the Wellstone Deathrally in years, and I agree wholly with EJ that it’s the kind of gross politicalization we should all avoid. No one looks good using a dead body to flog their opponents, regardless of whose side the body was on in life.

    With that in mind, I’ve undone a few retweets I made over the weekend.

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    @TheReticulator

    I was planning to wait until after the funeral to resume my McCain bashing.

    But there is no reason I have to wait to bash those who exploit his death for partisan, political purposes. 

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  9. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
    @Instugator

    Hear Hear – well said EJ

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  10. Instugator Thatcher
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):
    With that in mind, I’ve undone a few retweets I made over the weekend.

    You can do that?

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  11. RightAngles Member
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    Moderator Note:

    Personal attack. Do not call fellow members trolls.

    I add my kudos. You wrote exactly what I was thinking. The comparisons to the Wellstone fiasco were hard to ignore yesterday when this site was practically spammed with Odes to John McCain, [redacted] who gleefully tried to act like McCain was Marcus Aurelius all of a sudden. I nearly decided to delete my account. Still might. I have no stomach for any of it anymore.

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    I’m still interested in how anyone found McCain positive for their political objectives or however you want to put it. 

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  13. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I add my kudos. You wrote exactly what I was thinking. The comparisons to the Wellstone fiasco were hard to ignore yesterday when this site was practically spammed with Odes to John McCain, all by known trolls and Trump haters who gleefully tried to act like McCain was Marcus Aurelius all of a sudden. I nearly decided to delete my account. Still might. I have no stomach for any of it anymore.

    The Dims were attacking Bush over Katrina while the storm was still raging.  We need to recognize the nature of the Left.

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  14. Instugator Thatcher
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I’m still interested in how anyone found McCain positive for their political objectives or however you want to put it.

    Easy to do – especially when the presence of one person in your political sphere consumes 99.44% of your attention so you only have .56% or your attention left to discuss other things, for example the many problems connected with life of which some of the most popular are, “why are people born?”; “why do they die?”; and “why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?” 

    Or, as @garyrobbins has done to even continue to insist that John McCain was a check on the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave even though to do so required that McCain violate a campaign promise. Without having any intellectual capacity left to actually answer the question of what sort of check McCain actually provided.

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  15. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Member
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    I’m so relieved that no one has used this thread as occasion to bash fellow members.

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  16. Seawriter Contributor
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):

    I’m so relieved that no one has used this thread as occasion to bash fellow members.

    You know what they say about talking about a no-hitter when the game is still going on?

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  17. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Member
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Or, as [@member] has done to even continue to insist that John McCain was a check on the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave even though to do so required that McCain violate a campaign promise.

    Wait, you want this member to join this thread?

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  18. RightAngles Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I add my kudos. You wrote exactly what I was thinking. The comparisons to the Wellstone fiasco were hard to ignore yesterday when this site was practically spammed with Odes to John McCain, [redacted] who gleefully tried to act like McCain was Marcus Aurelius all of a sudden. I nearly decided to delete my account. Still might. I have no stomach for any of it anymore.

    What did it say?? I can’t remember.

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  19. Annefy Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I add my kudos. You wrote exactly what I was thinking. The comparisons to the Wellstone fiasco were hard to ignore yesterday when this site was practically spammed with Odes to John McCain, [redacted] who gleefully tried to act like McCain was Marcus Aurelius all of a sudden. I nearly decided to delete my account. Still might. I have no stomach for any of it anymore.

    What did it say?? I can’t remember

    The redacted word is on the Moderator Note on your original comment.

     

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  20. Bullwinkle Member
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    I was at the airport yesterday and could not avoid the talking heads on airport CNN. They had a random left wing commentator on could not stop extolling the virtues of John McCain and how he so graciously conceded in 2008. She wasn’t even subtle about it — she was drawing a sharp contrast between the evil Donald Trump and the gracious John McCain. I’d love to go back in time to hear what she thought about McCain in 2008 — something tells me she didn’t have such a high opinion of him. I’m with you EJ – wartime hero, for sure. But politically, I had very little use for him. And I can’t tolerate all the commentary about McCain which is not really about McCain. You want to talk about McCain – fine, do it. You want to talk about Trump, or anyone else, go for it. But don’t pretend to be talking about McCain when you are really talking about someone else. 

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  21. RightAngles Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I add my kudos. You wrote exactly what I was thinking. The comparisons to the Wellstone fiasco were hard to ignore yesterday when this site was practically spammed with Odes to John McCain, [redacted] who gleefully tried to act like McCain was Marcus Aurelius all of a sudden. I nearly decided to delete my account. Still might. I have no stomach for any of it anymore.

    What did it say?? I can’t remember

    The redacted word is on the Moderator Note on your original comment.

     

    Oh haha duh. Thanks. I see it now.

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  22. Instugator Thatcher
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Or, as [@member] has done to even continue to insist that John McCain was a check on the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave even though to do so required that McCain violate a campaign promise.

    Wait, you want this member to join this thread?

    Just being fair to him. I didn’t want to commit a sotto vocce violation of the Katie rule.

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  23. EDISONPARKS Member
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    @user_54742

    Nailed it EJ.

    I’m waiting until Monday if I decide to give my two cents.

    Until then we should honor the sacrifice John McCain gave us all with his military service (flying jets over North Vietnam, jet crashes, serious injuries, POW, etc.) and I would not wish a brain tumor on my worst enemy … so you have to give McCain credit for being one tough SOB considering the physical pain the man endured in his life.

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  24. Gary Robbins Member
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I’m still interested in how anyone found McCain positive for their political objectives or however you want to put it.

    Easy to do – especially when the presence of one person in your political sphere consumes 99.44% of your attention so you only have .56% or your attention left to discuss other things, for example the many problems connected with life of which some of the most popular are, “why are people born?”; “why do they die?”; and “why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?”

    Or, as @garyrobbins has done to even continue to insist that John McCain was a check on the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave even though to do so required that McCain violate a campaign promise. Without having any intellectual capacity left to actually answer the question of what sort of check McCain actually provided.

    Actually, McCain returned to the Senate to vote to proceed, but warned that if the case didn’t go to Committee under regular order, he would vote against the repeal.  

    However, if I had been in the Senate, I would have voted to repeal the ACA.

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  25. Gary Robbins Member
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Or, as [@member] has done to even continue to insist that John McCain was a check on the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave even though to do so required that McCain violate a campaign promise.

    Wait, you want this member to join this thread?

    We want all members to join in threads!  Especially those we disagree with because their sharpen the debate.  

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  26. Gary Robbins Member
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    Returning to the OP, what Democrats did at the Wellstone Memorial was disgusting and rephrensible.  I hope that we never act in such a terrible manner.

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  27. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I’m still interested in how anyone found McCain positive for their political objectives or however you want to put it.

    Easy to do – especially when the presence of one person in your political sphere consumes 99.44% of your attention so you only have .56% or your attention left to discuss other things, for example the many problems connected with life of which some of the most popular are, “why are people born?”; “why do they die?”; and “why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?”

    Or, as @garyrobbins has done to even continue to insist that John McCain was a check on the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave even though to do so required that McCain violate a campaign promise. Without having any intellectual capacity left to actually answer the question of what sort of check McCain actually provided.

    Actually, McCain returned to the Senate to vote to proceed, but warned that if the case didn’t go to Committee under regular order, he would vote against the repeal.

    However, if I had been in the Senate, I would have voted to repeal the ACA.

    It wasn’t passed under regular order. There was no logic here. The ACA is simply a weapon–passed undemocratically with a parliamentary trick–to wipe out employment based insurance while it redistributes like nothing we have ever seen before. (That is from an expert, not me.) It’s never going to be improved or fixed. It has to be wiped out.

    Like I said: no logic. 

     

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  28. Instugator Thatcher
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    @Instugator

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I’m still interested in how anyone found McCain positive for their political objectives or however you want to put it.

    Easy to do – especially when the presence of one person in your political sphere consumes 99.44% of your attention so you only have .56% or your attention left to discuss other things, for example the many problems connected with life of which some of the most popular are, “why are people born?”; “why do they die?”; and “why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?”

    Or, as @garyrobbins has done to even continue to insist that John McCain was a check on the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave even though to do so required that McCain violate a campaign promise. Without having any intellectual capacity left to actually answer the question of what sort of check McCain actually provided.

    Actually, McCain returned to the Senate to vote to proceed, but warned that if the case didn’t go to Committee under regular order, he would vote against the repeal.

    However, if I had been in the Senate, I would have voted to repeal the ACA.

    So, no check at all. Got it.

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  29. RufusRJones Member
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    Instugator (View Comment):
    So, no check at all. Got it.

    Exactly. 

    The next system was going to be a form of universal multiplayer, just set up more sensibly. We have no choice. There would be far less socialistic harm (or whatever you want to call it) by wiping out the ACA for some thing new. 

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  30. Gary Robbins Member
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I’m still interested in how anyone found McCain positive for their political objectives or however you want to put it.

    Easy to do – especially when the presence of one person in your political sphere consumes 99.44% of your attention so you only have .56% or your attention left to discuss other things, for example the many problems connected with life of which some of the most popular are, “why are people born?”; “why do they die?”; and “why do they spend so much of the intervening time wearing digital watches?”

    Or, as @garyrobbins has done to even continue to insist that John McCain was a check on the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave even though to do so required that McCain violate a campaign promise. Without having any intellectual capacity left to actually answer the question of what sort of check McCain actually provided.

    Actually, McCain returned to the Senate to vote to proceed, but warned that if the case didn’t go to Committee under regular order, he would vote against the repeal.

    However, if I had been in the Senate, I would have voted to repeal the ACA.

    So, no check at all. Got it.

    McCain, more than any other Senator would have gone nuclear if Trump were to dismiss Mueller.  You don’t like any answer, but my answer stands.

     

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