Breaking: Manafort Found Guilty on 8 of 18 Counts, Cohen Pleads Guilty to 8 Counts

 

Paul Manafort, the former campaign chairman for candidate Donald Trump, was facing 18 criminal counts. The jury found him guilty on eight of the counts, which included five counts of tax fraud, two counts of bank fraud, and one count of failure to disclose a foreign bank account. The jury said that they could not reach consensus on 10 of the counts, so those were declared a mistrial.

At about the same time the Manafort verdict came in, Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, pleaded guilty to eight counts. He admitted that he paid a pornographic actress for her silence during the 2016 presidential campaign and pleaded guilty to multiple charges of bank and tax fraud.

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    In the third week of June 1973, White House Counsel John Dean testified before the Senate Watergate Committee, that he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Richard Nixon.  Today, Trump’s Attorney Michael Cohen stated that he had acted in coordination and with and at the direction of Trump.

    It took another year for the taping system to be discovered, for the Saturday Night Massacre, for a trip over a couple of months to the Supreme Court to be completed, for the House Judiciary Committee to vote to impeach on three of five proposed Articles of Impeachment, where a third to 40% of the 17 Republican Committee Members voted for two of the Articles, for the tapes to be revealed, and for Barry Goldwater and the House and Senate Minority Leaders to visit Nixon, who thereafter resigned 44 years ago this month.

    Also, Nixon’s Campaign Manager, former Attorney General John Mitchell, was convicted by a federal jury.  Trump’s Campaign Manager Paul Manafort was just convicted by a federal jury.

    This is not the Beginning of the End, but this is the End of the Beginning.

    • #61
  2. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Six years and three months after Nixon resigned, the Greatest President of the Twentieth Century was elected.  

    Who is the Republican Governor who will stride into the Presidency in 2020 or 2024?

    • #62
  3. Guruforhire Inactive
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    @Guruforhire

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Six years and three months after Nixon resigned, the Greatest President of the Twentieth Century was elected.

    Who is the Republican Governor who will stride into the Presidency in 2020 or 2024?

    What republican will be left when basically 80% of the party walks away from your putin backed neo-fascist coup?  You have to convince voters that your neofascist coup is totally the right thing to do and totally not a trumped up pile of nonsense strung together in some kind of absurd dadaist poem.

    You have to convince the 80-90% of republicans that wildly approve of his work, that this isn’t bullcrap or the criminalization of politics.  Because honestly the only people beating this drum are the people that would be beating this drum if trump cured cancer, so their opinions do not technically qualify as information.

    • #63
  4. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    @TheCloakedGaijin

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    Cloak

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    So maybe character does matter.

    I’ll break the news to President Romney and Vice President Ryan.

    And I always thought that military service meant something too.

    McCain lost to Obama.

    Kerry lost to Bush.

    Gore lost to Bush.

    Dole and Perot lost to Clinton

    George H. W. Bush and Perot lost to Clinton

    Carter lost to Reagan.

    A lot of military people have run for Congress and lost.

    I always thought people wanted to reduce the national debt. That doesn’t work out either.

    Well if this turns into a major issue for Trump, character will have mattered. It clearly doesn’t matter in the voting booth, but I still think it matters to this administration who could pursue more good policy if not for the clown at the helm.

    So far Trump hasn’t done anything worse than Bill Clinton.

    You can’t have a system where Republicans are always guilty while Democrats are often never charged for similar crimes.

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Guruforhire (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Six years and three months after Nixon resigned, the Greatest President of the Twentieth Century was elected.

    Who is the Republican Governor who will stride into the Presidency in 2020 or 2024?

    What republican will be left when basically 80% of the party walks away from your putin backed neo-fascist coup? You have to convince voters that your neofascist coup is totally the right thing to do and totally not a trumped up pile of nonsense strung together in some kind of absurd dadaist poem.

    Reagan benefitted by being in California, governing a big state, and being far away from the mess in Washington.  

    Where Trump has succeeded, he was following conservative principles concerning judges, taxes and regulations.  

    Where Trump is failing, with trade and what appears to be kompromat, he is acting well outside conservative principles.

    • #65
  6. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    Cloak

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    So maybe character does matter.

    I’ll break the news to President Romney and Vice President Ryan.

    And I always thought that military service meant something too.

    McCain lost to Obama.

    Kerry lost to Bush.

    Gore lost to Bush.

    Dole and Perot lost to Clinton

    George H. W. Bush and Perot lost to Clinton

    Carter lost to Reagan.

    A lot of military people have run for Congress and lost.

    I always thought people wanted to reduce the national debt. That doesn’t work out either.

    Well if this turns into a major issue for Trump, character will have mattered. It clearly doesn’t matter in the voting booth, but I still think it matters to this administration who could pursue more good policy if not for the clown at the helm.

    So far Trump hasn’t done anything worse than Bill Clinton.

    You can’t a system where Republicans are always guilty while Democrats are often never charged for similar crimes.

    Clinton was impeached for perjury.  (It is revealing listening to Lindsey Graham speaking as on earth of the House Impeachment Managers.)  Clinton lost his law license.  Clinton paid lots of money to Paula Jones.  

    But Clinton didn’t try to throw an election with the help of a hostile foreign power.  If he had, I would guess that he might have been convicted and removed from office.

    • #66
  7. EDISONPARKS Member
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    @user_54742

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    In the third week of June 1973, White House Counsel John Dean testified before the Senate Watergate Committee, that he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Richard Nixon. Today, Trump’s Attorney Michael Cohen stated that he had acted in coordination and with and at the direction of Trump.

    It took another year for the taping system to be discovered, for the Saturday Night Massacre, for a trip over a couple of months to the Supreme Court to be completed, for the House Judiciary Committee to vote to impeach on three of five proposed Articles of Impeachment, where a third to 40% of the 17 Republican Committee Members voted for two of the Articles, for the tapes to be revealed, and for Barry Goldwater and the House and Senate Minority Leaders to visit Nixon, who thereafter resigned 44 years ago this month.

    Also, Nixon’s Campaign Manager, former Attorney General John Mitchell was convicted by a federal jury. Trump’s Campaign Manager Paul Manafort was just convicted by a federal jury.

    This is not the Beginning of the End, but this is the End of the Beginning.

    Cohen arranging an NDA with a porn actress, while certainly sleazy and embarrassing, is entirely legal.

    Any competent attorney would know that, but non-lawyers are excused for not understanding the law.

    The Feds (ie: with Mueller lurking somewhere in the background ) getting Cohen to plead to the campaign finance violation of taking direction from Trump to “influence the election” by paying the porn actress hush money, is a plea deal scam to get Cohen a lighter sentence and to ostensibly fake the stupid into believing contracting into an NDA is actually a Federal crime/campaign law violation.

    Throwing in the term “conspiring to influence the election” touch is an absolutely delightful way to try to work in the original Special Counsel mandate without the preceding words The Russians .  Those Federal Prosecutors are  sure a bunch of wascally of wabbits.

    • #67
  8. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Trump barely won.  

    Bush lost several points nationally when his old DUI was revealed just before the 2000 election.  

    Are you suggesting that Trump would have won if Cohen had not secured the Non-Disclosure Agreements in the last couple of weeks before the election and either the porn star or the Playboy Playmate stories came out?  

    • #68
  9. Clifford A. Brown Member
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):
    Cloak

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    JuliaBlaschke (View Comment):

    So maybe character does matter.

    I’ll break the news to President Romney and Vice President Ryan.

    And I always thought that military service meant something too.

    McCain lost to Obama.

    Kerry lost to Bush.

    Gore lost to Bush.

    Dole and Perot lost to Clinton

    George H. W. Bush and Perot lost to Clinton

    Carter lost to Reagan.

    A lot of military people have run for Congress and lost.

    I always thought people wanted to reduce the national debt. That doesn’t work out either.

    Well if this turns into a major issue for Trump, character will have mattered. It clearly doesn’t matter in the voting booth, but I still think it matters to this administration who could pursue more good policy if not for the clown at the helm.

    So far Trump hasn’t done anything worse than Bill Clinton.

    You can’t a system where Republicans are always guilty while Democrats are often never charged for similar crimes.

    […]

    But Clinton didn’t try to throw an election with the help of a hostile foreign power. If he had, I would guess that he might have been convicted and removed from office.

    You mean like Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Obama’s political appointees in DOJ and the IC?

    • #69
  10. Jamie Lockett Member
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    In the third week of June 1973, White House Counsel John Dean testified before the Senate Watergate Committee, that he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Richard Nixon. Today, Trump’s Attorney Michael Cohen stated that he had acted in coordination and with and at the direction of Trump.

    It took another year for the taping system to be discovered, for the Saturday Night Massacre, for a trip over a couple of months to the Supreme Court to be completed, for the House Judiciary Committee to vote to impeach on three of five proposed Articles of Impeachment, where a third to 40% of the 17 Republican Committee Members voted for two of the Articles, for the tapes to be revealed, and for Barry Goldwater and the House and Senate Minority Leaders to visit Nixon, who thereafter resigned 44 years ago this month.

    Also, Nixon’s Campaign Manager, former Attorney General John Mitchell was convicted by a federal jury. Trump’s Campaign Manager Paul Manafort was just convicted by a federal jury.

    This is not the Beginning of the End, but this is the End of the Beginning.

    Cohen arranged an NDA with a porn actress, while certainly sleazy and embarrassing, is entirely legal.

    But any competent attorney would know that, but non-lawyers are excused for not understanding the law.

    The Feds (ie: with Mueller lurking somewhere in the background ) getting Cohen to plead to the campaign finance violation of taking direction from Trump to “influence the election” by paying the porn actress hush money, is a plea deal scam to get Cohen a lighter sentence and to ostensibly fake the stupid into believing contracting into an NDA is actually a Federal crime/campaign law violation.

    Throwing in the term “conspiring to influence the election” touch is an absolutely delightful way to try to work in the original Special Counsel mandate without the preceding words The Russians . Those Federal Prosecutors are sure a bunch of wascally of wabbits.

    It’s the money, shell corporations and reimbursement that make it a crime. If Trump has simply paid the woman out of his own pocket it wouldn’t be. Instead they set up an elaborate mechanism by which Cohen paid the money and was then repaid by the campaign. Other expenses related to the campaign were folded into the repayments. It was clearly a campaign expenditure. An illegal one. 

    Now I don’t think this was a case of Trump seeking to break the law on purpose (although ignorance is no defense) but rather a case of the  President and his attorney having an established system for paying off the presidents concubines that became illegal once a campaign for president was launched. 

    In short: the President needed a better lawyer. One that actually knew the rules.

    This won’t lead to impeachment. It’s clear that the Republicans and their base have put all their eggs in the Trump basket. There’s no political will to impeach Trump over a technical violation of the law. Fine the campaign and be done with it.

    Trump should stand up and say: “Okay, we made a mistake. This is pretty common for federal campaigns, I mean the law is ridiculous, ridiculous. President Obama and Crooked Hillary also had minor violations like this. They paid a fine and that was it.” Whips our checkbook “So? Where do I send the check? Let’s get on with making America Great Again!”

    • #70
  11. EDISONPARKS Member
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    @user_54742

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    In the third week of June 1973, White House Counsel John Dean testified before the Senate Watergate Committee, that he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Richard Nixon. Today, Trump’s Attorney Michael Cohen stated that he had acted in coordination and with and at the direction of Trump.

    It took another year for the taping system to be discovered, for the Saturday Night Massacre, for a trip over a couple of months to the Supreme Court to be completed, for the House Judiciary Committee to vote to impeach on three of five proposed Articles of Impeachment, where a third to 40% of the 17 Republican Committee Members voted for two of the Articles, for the tapes to be revealed, and for Barry Goldwater and the House and Senate Minority Leaders to visit Nixon, who thereafter resigned 44 years ago this month.

    Also, Nixon’s Campaign Manager, former Attorney General John Mitchell was convicted by a federal jury. Trump’s Campaign Manager Paul Manafort was just convicted by a federal jury.

    This is not the Beginning of the End, but this is the End of the Beginning.

    Cohen arranged an NDA with a porn actress, while certainly sleazy and embarrassing, is entirely legal.

    But any competent attorney would know that, but non-lawyers are excused for not understanding the law.

    The Feds (ie: with Mueller lurking somewhere in the background ) getting Cohen to plead to the campaign finance violation of taking direction from Trump to “influence the election” by paying the porn actress hush money, is a plea deal scam to get Cohen a lighter sentence and to ostensibly fake the stupid into believing contracting into an NDA is actually a Federal crime/campaign law violation.

    Throwing in the term “conspiring to influence the election” touch is an absolutely delightful way to try to work in the original Special Counsel mandate without the preceding words The Russians . Those Federal Prosecutors are sure a bunch of wascally of wabbits.

    It’s the money, shell corporations and reimbursement that make it a crime. If Trump has simply paid the woman out of his own pocket it wouldn’t be. Instead they set up an elaborate mechanism by which Cohen paid the money and was then repaid by the campaign. Other expenses related to the campaign were folded into the repayments. It was clearly a campaign expenditure. An illegal one.

    Now I don’t think this was a case of Trump seeking to break the law on purpose (although ignorance is no defense) but rather a case of the President and his attorney having an established system for paying off the presidents concubines that became illegal once a campaign for president was launched.

    In short: the President needed a better lawyer. One that actually knew the rules.

    This won’t lead to impeachment. It’s clear that the Republicans and their base have put all their eggs in the Trump basket. There’s no political will to impeach Trump over a technical violation of the law. Fine the campaign and be done with it.

    Trump should stand up and say: “Okay, we made a mistake. This is pretty common for federal campaigns, I mean the law is ridiculous, ridiculous. President Obama and Crooked Hillary also had minor violations like this. They paid a fine and that was it.” Whips our checkbook “So? Where do I send the check? Let’s get on with making America Great Again!”

    Not a crime to contract an into an NDA.

    Was Trump personally aware of the payment structure, and could the payment structure have been subsequently remedied to reimburse the campaign and thus make the payment personal … of course.

    • #71
  12. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    If memory serves, Mark Twain reportedly said, “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes.”  

    The correlation between Nixon, Clinton and Trump is not on all fours, but it is remarkable with all of the commonalities.  

    • #72
  13. Clifford A. Brown Member
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    John Hinderaker gets it right.

    None of this would be happening, of course, but for Bob Mueller’s effort to drive President Trump from office on behalf of his de facto client, the Democratic Party. In a nauseating bit of hypocrisy, Deputy U.S. attorney Robert Khuzami said today that “The essence of what this case is about is justice, and that is an equal playing field for all persons in the eyes of the law….” Equal justice has nothing to do with this prosecution. Michael Cohen was targeted solely because he was Trump’s personal lawyer, and enforcement of campaign finance law is anything but equal. Just ask Dinesh D’Souza.

    As we and others have said many times, what is going on in the courts is mostly theater–unless, of course, you are Paul Manafort or Michael Cohen. President Trump can’t be indicted, so legal niceties are not very material. The Mueller Switch Project has three objectives: 1) furnish House Democrats (assuming they take the majority in November) with ammunition to impeach the President; 2) help the Democrats to win the midterm elections; and 3) make President Trump’s re-election less likely in 2020.

    • #73
  14. Guruforhire Inactive
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    @Guruforhire

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Trump should stand up and say: “Okay, we made a mistake. This is pretty common for federal campaigns, I mean the law is ridiculous, ridiculous. President Obama and Crooked Hillary also had minor violations like this. They paid a fine and that was it.” Whips our checkbook “So? Where do I send the check? Let’s get on with making America Great Again!”

    This strikes me as reasonable.

    • #74
  15. EDISONPARKS Member
    EDISONPARKS
    @user_54742

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    If memory serves, Mark Twain reportedly said, “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes.”

    The correlation between Nixon, Clinton and Trump is not on all fours, but it is remarkable with all of the commonalities.

    Yes the corruption of the Obama FBI/DOJ/Intel community in their efforts to exonerate HRC and screw Trump to the wall with a phony Russia collusion narrative is Nixonian indeed.

     

    • #75
  16. Hoyacon Member
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    tommybdeepv (View Comment):

    tommybdeepv (View Comment):

    I hope this doesn’t get a moderator comment, but it is quite interesting to see which members have yet to comment on this thread :)

    One guy in particular might just be on a sea cruise and thus the silence.

    One wonders what the purpose of this post is supposed to be. Perhaps it would be more apparent if it wasn’t so oblique.

    • #76
  17. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    In the third week of June 1973, White House Counsel John Dean testified before the Senate Watergate Committee, that he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Richard Nixon. Today, Trump’s Attorney Michael Cohen stated that he had acted in coordination and with and at the direction of Trump.

    It took another year for the taping system to be discovered, for the Saturday Night Massacre, for a trip over a couple of months to the Supreme Court to be completed, for the House Judiciary Committee to vote to impeach on three of five proposed Articles of Impeachment, where a third to 40% of the 17 Republican Committee Members voted for two of the Articles, for the tapes to be revealed, and for Barry Goldwater and the House and Senate Minority Leaders to visit Nixon, who thereafter resigned 44 years ago this month.

    Also, Nixon’s Campaign Manager, former Attorney General John Mitchell, was convicted by a federal jury. Trump’s Campaign Manager Paul Manafort was just convicted by a federal jury.

    This is not the Beginning of the End, but this is the End of the Beginning.

    Thanks for the history lesson.  If only it had something to do with the O/P.

     

    • #77
  18. EDISONPARKS Member
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    @user_54742

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    In the third week of June 1973, White House Counsel John Dean testified before the Senate Watergate Committee, that he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Richard Nixon. Today, Trump’s Attorney Michael Cohen stated that he had acted in coordination and with and at the direction of Trump.

    It took another year for the taping system to be discovered, for the Saturday Night Massacre, for a trip over a couple of months to the Supreme Court to be completed, for the House Judiciary Committee to vote to impeach on three of five proposed Articles of Impeachment, where a third to 40% of the 17 Republican Committee Members voted for two of the Articles, for the tapes to be revealed, and for Barry Goldwater and the House and Senate Minority Leaders to visit Nixon, who thereafter resigned 44 years ago this month.

    Also, Nixon’s Campaign Manager, former Attorney General John Mitchell, was convicted by a federal jury. Trump’s Campaign Manager Paul Manafort was just convicted by a federal jury.

    This is not the Beginning of the End, but this is the End of the Beginning.

    Thanks for the history lesson. If only it had something to do with the O/P.

     

    It’s all part of Trump colluding with the Russians to influence the 2016 Presidential election don’t you get it?

    • #78
  19. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    If memory serves, Mark Twain reportedly said, “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it rhymes.”

    The correlation between Nixon, Clinton and Trump is not on all fours, but it is remarkable with all of the commonalities.

    A short list would help.

     

    • #79
  20. tommybdeepv Inactive
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    @tommybdeepv

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    tommybdeepv (View Comment):

    tommybdeepv (View Comment):

    I hope this doesn’t get a moderator comment, but it is quite interesting to see which members have yet to comment on this thread :)

    One guy in particular might just be on a sea cruise and thus the silence.

    One wonders what the purpose of this post is supposed to be. Perhaps it would be more apparent if it wasn’t so oblique.

    Perhaps!

    • #80
  21. Fred Cole Inactive
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    @FredCole

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    This won’t lead to impeachment. It’s clear that the Republicans and their base have put all their eggs in the Trump basket. There’s no political will to impeach Trump over a technical violation of the law. 

    It’s a fallacy to extrapolate in a straight line.

    There may not have been the political will to impeach Trump as of yesterday morning.  Things may be different on the morning of November 7.

     

    • #81
  22. Fred Cole Inactive
    Fred Cole
    @FredCole

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Yes the corruption of the Obama FBI/DOJ/Intel community in their efforts to exonerate HRC and screw Trump to the wall with a phony Russia collusion narrative is Nixonian indeed.

    How much longer can people keep using the phrase “phony Russia collusion narrative” honestly?

    The campaign manager, Trump’s son-in-law, and Trump’s son met in Trump Tower, with what they believed to be an agent of the Russian government to get dirt on Clinton.  And they’ve since lied about it repeatedly.

    That’s not Obama’s fault.  That’s not the Intel community’s fault.  That’s not Clinton’s fault.  That’s not The Deep State’s fault.  That’s not the media’s fault.

     

    • #82
  23. Justin Hertog Inactive
    Justin Hertog
    @RooseveltGuck

    I’d like to see some more reporting about these so-called congressional “hush money” funds, which supposedly use taxpayer dollars to settle sexual harassment accusations against members. I’ve head these settlements involve NDAs. I wonder if they’re considered campaign contributions. Perhaps they should be. It’s late summer, but what a bumper crop of hypocrites could be harvested this fall!

    • #83
  24. Justin Hertog Inactive
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    @RooseveltGuck

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Yes the corruption of the Obama FBI/DOJ/Intel community in their efforts to exonerate HRC and screw Trump to the wall with a phony Russia collusion narrative is Nixonian indeed.

    How much longer can people keep using the phrase “phony Russia collusion narrative” honestly?

    The campaign manager, Trump’s son-in-law, and Trump’s son met in Trump Tower, with what they believed to be an agent of the Russian government to get dirt on Clinton. And they’ve since lied about it repeatedly.

    That’s not Obama’s fault. That’s not the Intel community’s fault. That’s not Clinton’s fault. That’s not The Deep State’s fault. That’s not the media’s fault.

    Honestly? A lot longer. Like, forever. It’s called opposition research and a “nothing burger” when Democrats do it.

    Hilary Clinton’s Ukraine connection a question worth exploring

    Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire

    • #84
  25. B. Hugh Mann Inactive
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    @BHughMann

    The timing of  the Manafort conviction and Cohen plea deal before the Bruce Ohr hearings next week seems to me to be significant.  

    • #85
  26. Jamie Lockett Member
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    In the third week of June 1973, White House Counsel John Dean testified before the Senate Watergate Committee, that he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Richard Nixon. Today, Trump’s Attorney Michael Cohen stated that he had acted in coordination and with and at the direction of Trump.

    It took another year for the taping system to be discovered, for the Saturday Night Massacre, for a trip over a couple of months to the Supreme Court to be completed, for the House Judiciary Committee to vote to impeach on three of five proposed Articles of Impeachment, where a third to 40% of the 17 Republican Committee Members voted for two of the Articles, for the tapes to be revealed, and for Barry Goldwater and the House and Senate Minority Leaders to visit Nixon, who thereafter resigned 44 years ago this month.

    Also, Nixon’s Campaign Manager, former Attorney General John Mitchell was convicted by a federal jury. Trump’s Campaign Manager Paul Manafort was just convicted by a federal jury.

    This is not the Beginning of the End, but this is the End of the Beginning.

    Cohen arranged an NDA with a porn actress, while certainly sleazy and embarrassing, is entirely legal.

    But any competent attorney would know that, but non-lawyers are excused for not understanding the law.

    The Feds (ie: with Mueller lurking somewhere in the background ) getting Cohen to plead to the campaign finance violation of taking direction from Trump to “influence the election” by paying the porn actress hush money, is a plea deal scam to get Cohen a lighter sentence and to ostensibly fake the stupid into believing contracting into an NDA is actually a Federal crime/campaign law violation.

    Throwing in the term “conspiring to influence the election” touch is an absolutely delightful way to try to work in the original Special Counsel mandate without the preceding words The Russians . Those Federal Prosecutors are sure a bunch of wascally of wabbits.

    It’s the money, shell corporations and reimbursement that make it a crime. If Trump has simply paid the woman out of his own pocket it wouldn’t be. Instead they set up an elaborate mechanism by which Cohen paid the money and was then repaid by the campaign. Other expenses related to the campaign were folded into the repayments. It was clearly a campaign expenditure. An illegal one.

    Now I don’t think this was a case of Trump seeking to break the law on purpose (although ignorance is no defense) but rather a case of the President and his attorney having an established system for paying off the presidents concubines that became illegal once a campaign for president was launched.

    In short: the President needed a better lawyer. One that actually knew the rules.

    This won’t lead to impeachment. It’s clear that the Republicans and their base have put all their eggs in the Trump basket. There’s no political will to impeach Trump over a technical violation of the law. Fine the campaign and be done with it.

    Trump should stand up and say: “Okay, we made a mistake. This is pretty common for federal campaigns, I mean the law is ridiculous, ridiculous. President Obama and Crooked Hillary also had minor violations like this. They paid a fine and that was it.” Whips our checkbook “So? Where do I send the check? Let’s get on with making America Great Again!”

    Not a crime to contract an into an NDA.

    Was Trump personally aware of the payment structure, and could the payment structure have been subsequently remedied to reimburse the campaign and thus make the payment personal … of course.

    Doesn’t matter. That would make it a loan and also illegal. 

    • #86
  27. Jamie Lockett Member
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    @JamieLockett

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Yes the corruption of the Obama FBI/DOJ/Intel community in their efforts to exonerate HRC and screw Trump to the wall with a phony Russia collusion narrative is Nixonian indeed.

    How much longer can people keep using the phrase “phony Russia collusion narrative” honestly?

    The campaign manager, Trump’s son-in-law, and Trump’s son met in Trump Tower, with what they believed to be an agent of the Russian government to get dirt on Clinton. And they’ve since lied about it repeatedly.

    That’s not Obama’s fault. That’s not the Intel community’s fault. That’s not Clinton’s fault. That’s not The Deep State’s fault. That’s not the media’s fault.

     

    We have to find out when the Deep Stste manages to plant Don Jr into the Trump organization. The Deep State plays the long game. 

    • #87
  28. Fred Cole Inactive
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    @FredCole

    B. Hugh Mann (View Comment):

    The timing of the Manafort conviction and Cohen plea deal before the Bruce Ohr hearings next week seems to me to be significant.

    Is there any earlier or later date that you could name where someone couldn’t point to the timing and say “It seems to be significant”?

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  29. Fred Cole Inactive
    Fred Cole
    @FredCole

    Justin Hertog (View Comment):
    Honestly? A lot longer. Like, forever. It’s called opposition research and a “nothing burger” when Democrats do it.

    You’re right, of course.

    I mean, everybody just glossed over when Chelsea Clinton and Robby Mook met with that Russian lawyer on the promise of getting dirt from the Russian government about Trump.

    Oh, right.  That never happened.

    Funny how the people rationalizing it for Trump would be the ones [defecating] bricks in it had though.

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  30. Frank Soto Member
    Frank Soto
    @FrankSoto

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    This won’t lead to impeachment. It’s clear that the Republicans and their base have put all their eggs in the Trump basket. There’s no political will to impeach Trump over a technical violation of the law.

    It’s a fallacy to extrapolate in a straight line.

    There may not have been the political will to impeach Trump as of yesterday morning. Things may be different on the morning of November 7.

     

    Not if this is all there is.  As Jamie said, he pays the fine and goes about his business.

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