Excuse Me, There’s an Elephant in the Sacristy and He’s Making a Heck of a Mess!

 

Finally. At last. After weeks of namby-pamby hand-wringing, or worse, lies, by our hierarchical castrati, a Catholic bishop, Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison, has publically pointed out the elephant in the room, specifically a homosexual subculture in the hierarchy and more generally a culture of tolerance of sin, and denounced it in no uncertain words.

No lame ponderings about new processes and procedures, no faux pieties about the victims, just righteous anger and straight talk. A sample:

More than anything else, we as a Church must cease our acceptance of sin and evil. We must cast out sin from our own lives and run toward holiness. We must refuse to be silent in the face of sin and evil in our families and communities and we must demand from our pastors — myself included — that they themselves are striving day in and day out for holiness. We must do this always with loving respect for individuals but with a clear understanding that true love can never exist without truth.

Again, right now there is a lot of justified anger and passion coming from many holy and faithful lay people and clerics across the country, calling for real reform and “house cleaning” of this type of depravity. I stand with them. I don’t know yet how this will play out nationally or internationally. But I do know this, and I make this my last point and last promise, for the Diocese of Madison: “As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”

Read it all here.

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  1. Columbo Member

    Matthew 21: 12-13 also applies here …

    Then Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who were selling and buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. He said to them, “It is written,

    ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’;
    but you are making it a den of robbers.”

     

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    • August 19, 2018, at 4:33 AM PDT
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  2. I Walton Member

    Anybody read the Grand Jury report? I haven’t and am advised not to. I’m told it shows, not scandal and sin, or abuse and coverup, but pure evil, organized, embraced and promoted by evil demonic people. 

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    • August 19, 2018, at 5:14 AM PDT
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  3. John Seymour Inactive
    John Seymour Post author

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Matthew 21: 12-13 also applies here …

    Then Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who were selling and buying in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves. He said to them, “It is written,

    ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer’;
    but you are making it a den of robbers.”

    Yes it does.

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    • August 19, 2018, at 5:17 AM PDT
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  4. Curt North Inactive

    I think the Pope has a chance here, or it it duty maybe? He can change the direction of his Papacy (is that the right word?). As it stands he will be remembered as a leftist Pope more concerned with climate change fantasies and enabling the exaggerated Muslim refugee “crisis”. Instead he could be remembered as the Pope who finally cleaned out the evil residing inside the Catholic church. This could be is calling, the reason for him to be there.

    We non-Catholic Christians want the Catholic church to be healthy and holy.

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    • August 19, 2018, at 5:20 AM PDT
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  5. John Seymour Inactive
    John Seymour Post author

    I Walton (View Comment):

    Anybody read the Grand Jury report? I haven’t and am advised not to. I’m told it shows, not scandal and sin, or abuse and coverup, but pure evil, organized, embraced and promoted by evil demonic people.

    I have read excerpts. I understand (and ought to verify, but am hesitant to do so for the reasons you mention) that the vast majority of the abuse is pre-2002, which suggests that the reforms to curb child abuse have at least done that, though McCarrick demonstrates that they have done nothing to limit a more general tolerance of evil. Otherwise I would only say embrace the power of “and.”

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    • August 19, 2018, at 5:23 AM PDT
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  6. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher

    I have little faith that things will get better. Those in power, in the Catholic Church, and in all places of power, are to well entrenched. The Church will fall. As will America. 

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    • August 19, 2018, at 5:42 AM PDT
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  7. Front Seat Cat Member

    Curt North (View Comment):

    I think the Pope has a chance here, or it it duty maybe? He can change the direction of his Papacy (is that the right word?). As it stands he will be remembered as a leftist Pope more concerned with climate change fantasies and enabling the exaggerated Muslim refugee “crisis”. Instead he could be remembered as the Pope who finally cleaned out the evil residing inside the Catholic church. This could be is calling, the reason for him to be there.

    We non-Catholic Christians want the Catholic church to be healthy and holy.

    How can Christians, especially Catholics fulfill The Great Commission, to tell the Gospel and attract new believers to the faith in this environment? No wonder Islam is taking over the European Continent….

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    • August 19, 2018, at 6:31 AM PDT
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  8. Front Seat Cat Member

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I have little faith that things will get better. Those in power, in the Catholic Church, and in all places of power, are to well entrenched. The Church will fall. As will America.

    Only if you place your faith in men and not the Creator…

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    • August 19, 2018, at 6:32 AM PDT
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  9. DonG Coolidge

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I have little faith that things will get better. Those in power, in the Catholic Church, and in all places of power, are to well entrenched. The Church will fall. As will America.

    Only if you place your faith in men and not the Creator…

    Depends on what you mean by “fall”. I have been around Europe, which is filled with beautiful Gothic-style churches like the one shown. These were carefully rebuilt after the bombings of WWII. Now they are boarded up as the people there have given up on the Christianity. These holy places are works of art and reflect what was once a high priority for people. And now their closure reflects what is *not* a priority for the people. It took about a generation for that to happen. Has the Church fallen? In some countries I would say “yes”. Can those countries be restored in their faith? Unlikely.

    An article about religion and fertility in Europe is here. I have a attached a screenshot showing decline of religious affiliation in Britain and France. Note, attendance is much worse than affiliation. Note, that people do change as they get older, but not that much. In summary, religious affiliation and church attendance and birth rates are all declining among Christians in some European countries.

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  10. John Seymour Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I have little faith that things will get better. Those in power, in the Catholic Church, and in all places of power, are to well entrenched. The Church will fall. As will America.

    America will eventually fall. The Church will not, though it is likely to get much smaller. The gates of hell shall not prevail.

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  11. John Seymour Inactive
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    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Curt North (View Comment):

    I think the Pope has a chance here, or it it duty maybe? He can change the direction of his Papacy (is that the right word?). As it stands he will be remembered as a leftist Pope more concerned with climate change fantasies and enabling the exaggerated Muslim refugee “crisis”. Instead he could be remembered as the Pope who finally cleaned out the evil residing inside the Catholic church. This could be is calling, the reason for him to be there.

    We non-Catholic Christians want the Catholic church to be healthy and holy.

    How can Christians, especially Catholics fulfill The Great Commission, to tell the Gospel and attract new believers to the faith in this environment? No wonder Islam is taking over the European Continent….

    As you say below, by focusing on God, not on fallible men.

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  12. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I have little faith that things will get better. Those in power, in the Catholic Church, and in all places of power, are to well entrenched. The Church will fall. As will America.

    Only if you place your faith in men and not the Creator…

    The Creator is more than willing to let nations fall when they turn from Him. 

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  13. Scott Wilmot Member

    Yes! Excellent statement by the bishop. Someone in the hierarchy has finally named the problem. Now we can work to root this evil out.

    I have commented on numerous posts on this topic of the 2005 instruction issued by B16 on not allowing homosexuals into the seminary. I pray that this is being followed and that it receives more widespread use and notice among the laity.

    Those who think the Church will fail are delusional. She may grow smaller, but She will grow stronger from this.

    The world hates us.

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  14. Dominique Prynne Member

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I have little faith that things will get better. Those in power, in the Catholic Church, and in all places of power, are to well entrenched. The Church will fall. As will America.

    Agreed. As will all things built by the minds, hearts and hands of men. That’s been ordained since day one. But this foreknowledge does nothing to alleviate the pain of watching it all fall.

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  15. John Seymour Inactive
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    Dominique Prynne (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I have little faith that things will get better. Those in power, in the Catholic Church, and in all places of power, are to well entrenched. The Church will fall. As will America.

    Agreed. As will all things built by the minds, hearts and hands of men. That’s been ordained since day one. But this foreknowledge does nothing to alleviate the pain of watching it all fall.

    But the Church is not built by the hands of men, but by Jesus. And men may fail her, but the gates of hell will not prevail against her.

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  16. Jim George Member

    Moderator Note:

    We were able to fix the font. You had pasted in material as a header (<h1>). The button for pasting as plain text can avoid this problem.

    John Seymour: No lame ponderings about new processes and procedures, no faux pieties about the victims, just righteous anger and straight talk

    I cannot begin to tell you how much I appreciate your bringing this to our attention; it was as inspiring as some of the other statements I have seen about this horror have been wretch-inducing. Here is what I told my list when I sent it out to them, to which I will add, once again, sincere appreciation for sending this wonderful Bishop’s Letter out to us: 

    I found this Bishop’s Letter by the Bishop of the Madison Diocese, Wisconsin, to be very helpful in trying to gain a better understanding of the widespread wrongdoing (I am fully aware that that is a euphemism for the acts alleged in the Pennsylvania Grand Jury Report but I’m trying hard to be most respectful of the pain our Roman Catholic friends are justifiably feeling right now) and am grateful to the Ricochet member who posted it with the title “ Excuse me, There’s an Elephant in the Sacristy and he’s making a Heck of a Mess!” With his post he made the following statement, which reflects what I believe many—in or out of the Church—are feeling: “Finally. At last. After weeks of namby-pamby hand-wringing, or worse, lies, by our hierarchical castrati, a Catholic bishop, Bishop Robert Morlino of Madison, has publicly pointed out the elephant in the room, specifically a homosexual subculture in the hierarchy and more generally a culture of tolerance of sin, and denounced it in no uncertain words.” This is a powerful letter and it is my hope that you find it as inspiring as I did in attempting to more fully understand what is, in actuality, incomprehensible. Jim ]

    Thanks again, and sorry for the gargantuan font; didn’t know how to correct that but thought the message was more important that the appearance, which in a way ties in with your post and this Bishop’s Letter, doesn’t it?,

    By the way, call me simplistic, but, while I acknowledge that all things in Creation eventually must, and will, fail, I do not see this as the beginning of the demise of the Church, or of America. 

    Thanks again, and Sincerely, Jim

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  17. John Seymour Inactive
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    Jim George (View Comment):
    Thanks again, and sorry for the gargantuan font; didn’t know how to correct that but thought the message was more important that the appearance, which in a way ties in with your post and this Bishop’s Letter, doesn’t it?,

    Thank you for your kind words, Jim. And yes, I agree, it does.

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  18. spaceman_spiff Member

    The Weekly Standard just republished a piece by Mary Eberstadt from 16 years ago titled, “The Elephant in the Sacristy”.

    https://www.weeklystandard.com/mary-eberstadt/the-elephant-in-the-sacristy

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  19. spaceman_spiff Member

    Front Seat Cat (View Comment):

    How can Christians, especially Catholics fulfill The Great Commission, to tell the Gospel and attract new believers to the faith in this environment? No wonder Islam is taking over the European Continent….

    Islam doesn’t compare well regarding this subject. Islam may take over but that’s not because of mass conversions. It’s because Christians are abandoning their faith while their countries are importing huge populations of Islamic believers. This abandonment came well before these latest revelations.

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  20. Aaron Miller Member

    I Walton (View Comment):

    Anybody read the Grand Jury report? I haven’t and am advised not to. I’m told it shows, not scandal and sin, or abuse and coverup, but pure evil, organized, embraced and promoted by evil demonic people.

    Bear in mind that the report lists allegations and not indictments. The crimes might indeed be widespread, but I doubt everything in that report is true. Is any of it based on more than testimony?

    The transfer of priests involves actual evidence. But as I explained here in comment 6, transfer of priests is routine and perhaps justifiable when accusations remain unproven. 

    There is great evil involved here. But there are incentives for various parties to cast too wide a net. 

    By the way, Cardinal Burke also condemned these abuses and called, less bluntly, for severe consequences. But he pointed out that Church laws for dealing with heinous crimes have existed for centuries. So internal actions required more regard revival of a healthy and disciplined clerical culture than methods of investigation and reporting. 

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  21. cdor Member

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I have little faith that things will get better. Those in power, in the Catholic Church, and in all places of power, are to well entrenched. The Church will fall. As will America.

    Bryan…friend…go back to bed and wake up on the other side. 

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  22. Skyler Coolidge

    I don’t like these problems with the church. They put too much attention on irrelevant matters to the larger problem of teaching people to believe in magic. These were crimes, and horrible, and lots of people should be punished. Of course. But what we’re going to see instead of the fact that a human institution is corruptible, as they all are, is that people are going to go on and on about their own faith being just as strong, or perhaps redirected to another church and few taking stopping to wonder why they believe in magic at all. Just like with socialism, no matter what happens, people will claim faith in their beliefs. Millions killed from socialism won’t change the bleeding heart’s mind about everyone sharing (at the point of a gun) to benefit all (the politicians).

    Here we have a problem. There is no doubt and little to debate. And no one will look past it and conclude that morality doesn’t come from a clergy or a god. Morality comes from natural law, it is the role of civilization to come to an accurate understanding of morality, and a church has only a peripheral impact on that understanding.

    I’d much prefer the clergy and the laity of a church were not at odds with their professed beliefs. I wish they stayed true to them so we can argue the merits of their magical beliefs without the distraction of these failures. But they are human and we are stuck with dealing with the horror of these actions rather than the horror of the beliefs.

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  23. Old Bathos Member

    I Walton (View Comment):

    Anybody read the Grand Jury report? I haven’t and am advised not to. I’m told it shows, not scandal and sin, or abuse and coverup, but pure evil, organized, embraced and promoted by evil demonic people.

    That is a pretty accurate summary.

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  24. Basil Fawlty Member

    John Seymour: After weeks of namby-pamby hand-wringing, or worse, lies, by our hierarchical castrati,

    Castrati aren’t really the problem.

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  25. Jim George Member

    @moderator, thanks for the fix, whoever you are! Sincerely, Jim

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  26. John Seymour Inactive
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    John Seymour: After weeks of namby-pamby hand-wringing, or worse, lies, by our hierarchical castrati,

    Castrati aren’t really the problem.

    Not literally, but I was speaking metaphorically. Thinking of Lewis’s men without chests, though a bit more graphic.

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  27. Curt North Inactive

    Skyler (View Comment):
    I wish they stayed true to them so we can argue the merits of their magical beliefs…

    As opposed to the hard science of your faith – evolution? Give me a break, more and more scientists are coming up with absurd ways to explain away God. And why would you feel the need to throw in your atheism in this post anyway? 

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  28. Skyler Coolidge

    Curt North (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):
    I wish they stayed true to them so we can argue the merits of their magical beliefs…

    As opposed to the hard science of your faith – evolution? Give me a break, more and more scientists are coming up with absurd ways to explain away God. And why would you feel the need to throw in your atheism in this post anyway?

    Who said anything about evolution?

    I put it in because I want to remind others that the real problem with the Church, and any church, is not this current scandal, but the belief in magic itself. I like to look at the real problems, not these distractions.

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  29. Western Chauvinist Member

    Bishop Morlino is obviously a man with a chest. God bless him, and may he inspire others like him.

    I agree with @aaronmiller there’s a risk of starting a witch hunt when passions are running this high. But, it is bracing to read the good Bishop talk about hating evil. And long past due. His words about truth and mercy and love being inseparable call Pope Francis to account for his seeming endorsement of mercy above all, and, all too often, apart from the others.

    If there is anything lacking in Bishop Morlino’s letter, it’s a direct call to these predator priests to come forward (outside the seal of the confessional), turn themselves in, and take their punishment (both from the Church and secular authorities). He writes about the hope of forgiveness by accepting one’s punishment, but I’d like to hear a more direct instruction from the bishops on this matter.

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  30. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Moderator

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Curt North (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):
    I wish they stayed true to them so we can argue the merits of their magical beliefs…

    As opposed to the hard science of your faith – evolution? Give me a break, more and more scientists are coming up with absurd ways to explain away God. And why would you feel the need to throw in your atheism in this post anyway?

    Who said anything about evolution?

    I put it in because I want to remind others that the real problem with the Church, and any church, is not this current scandal, but the belief in magic itself. I like to look at the real problems, not these distractions.

    Human nature being what it is, it seems unreasonable to expect all humans to live up to any one of our standards for what counts as factual belief.

    That a great many humans will believe in what strikes us as magical thinking seems inevitable. Given this, shouldn’t it matter whether their “magical thinking” actively harms or hurts others?

    Wrong belief (however any of us categorizes wrong belief) will always be with us, but I would think it makes a great deal of difference whether a wrong belief promotes the perversion of youth and raping of children, or whether it doesn’t.

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