Donald Trump, the N-Word, and the GOP

 

It’s not okay for white people to use the N-word. I thought this was generally understood and widely accepted for … like a few decades now, but apparently I was wrong. (By the way, if you’re a white person, and you think you’re somehow a victim or being oppressed because you’re not allowed to use the N-word, I pity you.)

This has come up in discussion recently because word once again is circulating that there is a tape (or tapes, plural) of “Apprentice” outtakes that include Donald Trump (among other things) using the N-word.

This story isn’t new. It made the rounds in 2015 and 2016. (Anyone who is aware of Donald Trump’s history of overt racism wasn’t surprised.) I don’t know whether such a tape exists, but some are concerned about it because when Sarah Huckabee Sanders was asked this week, she couldn’t guarantee it didn’t exist.

In anticipation of the existence of such a tape and its potential release, we’re already seeing rationalizations (including here on Ricochet) and explanations of how, if Donald Trump was caught on tape using the N-word, it’s either okay or it doesn’t matter.

Okay, so two things: First, it’s not okay. Second, it does matter.

If this tape does exist, and it comes out for all of us to hear, it’s going to do enormous damage to the Republican Party. Because what will certainly follow is legions of Trump apologists explaining how it’s okay.

At which point, the Republican Party will become the It’s-Okay-To-Say-The-N-Word Party. If you care about the electoral success of the Republican Party, you don’t want it to become the It’s-Okay-To-Say-The-N-Word Party.

Further, if you care about conservative governance in the future, to the extent that Donald Trump is associated with that conservative governance, it’s a big problem. If things like deregulation are associated with the Republican Party, and the Republican Party is the It’s-Okay-To-Say-The-N-Word Party, then deregulation becomes It’s-Okay-To-Say-The-N-Word-deregulation. All those conservative federal judges become It’s-Okay-To-Say-The-N-Word judges. Tax cuts become It’s-Okay-To-Say-The-N-Word tax cuts.

For Republicans, if you become the It’s-Okay-To-Say-The-N-Word Party, your brand will be irreparably damaged. For conservatives, if you become the philosophy of It’s-Okay-To-Say-The-N-Word, it will be the end of conservatism. Any claim of moral superiority will be gone. The decent people will have to separate themselves and find some other name to call themselves.

If a tape comes out, you don’t want to be trapped on the wrong side of things. Certain things are beyond the pale. This is one of them. If that tape comes out, don’t rationalize it, because what you hear will not be okay.

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    We have a huge problem.  Trump voters are older.  I have heard that if the elections were held today, and everyone voted the same way as they did in 2016, Trump would lose, due to the higher death rates of Trump voters.

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):
    “Animals” was in reference, specifically, to Guatemalans, El Salvadorans, people of Latin American countries. Not white, in other words.

    No whites in Latin America?

    I’m sure there are – expats and such, their children. But we both know that’s not the point. And that’s not who Donald Trump was talking about. Or, rather I really want to believe that you know that, and that you’re not just asking the question to be cute or, heaven forbid, to avoid dealing with the actual issue. You wouldn’t do that. Right?

    Oh, another “we all know” type argument. Great. You know that was a favorite propaganda tactic of the nazis and fascists, right? I mean, I would hope you know that and that you’re not just ginning up a connection when there’s really no good reason to make a connection.

    I might start calling you Fred Hydra.

    The first person who invoked the Nazi’s loses.

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  3. Ed G. Member
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    @EdG

    Alright, I’m out. It feels like an Occupy rally in here – everyone holding signs for different causes, none of them legitimate.

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  4. Gary Robbins Member
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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I don’t think it will tarnish conservatism. We are already routinely called racists, and I don’t think that charge is likely to make more headway because of this kerfuffle.

    This is typical Left and Democrat distraction effort. They are really worried now that their media cohort will not be able to stem the reporting related to Bruce Ohr, that Manafort may be found ‘not guilty’, and that Mueller’s inquiry will collapse. Trump does distraction better.

    The Mueller Probe will not collapse. And stopping the Mueller Probe by firing Rosenstein, or pulling Mueller’s security clearance would be the crossing of a bright red line.

    The primary ground under Nixon’s Article I was Obstruction of Justice.

    Trump is just waiting for the midterms. When my party (not yours) holds the House, he will clean house, and there’s nothing you can do about it.

    Well I’m a Republican, but to save my country and party it is essential to vote for Democrats for the House of Representatives this year. Thank you for the timely reminder that if we hold the House this November, our country will lose.

    I can’t wait til November. I’m gonna enjoy your pain.

    I have two $10 bets with my fellow Ricochetti that we will lose the House this fall. I made those bets this last Spring. Would you like a piece of that action?

    I have another bet which that Trump will not complete his first term, that by any means, including resignation, Impeachment, 25th Amendment, death or serious illness such as stroke, or heart attack, etc. $10. Resolved: Trump will not be President as of 11:59 on January 19, 2021. PM me if interested.

    Oh, I’m interested.

    PM me.

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  5. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We have a huge problem. Trump voters are older. I have heard that if the elections were held today, and everyone voted the same way as they did in 2016, Trump would lose, due to the higher death rates of Trump voters.

    It’s even worse than that. All the dead Trump voters will be voting Democrat.

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  6. Ed G. Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):
    “Animals” was in reference, specifically, to Guatemalans, El Salvadorans, people of Latin American countries. Not white, in other words.

    No whites in Latin America?

    I’m sure there are – expats and such, their children. But we both know that’s not the point. And that’s not who Donald Trump was talking about. Or, rather I really want to believe that you know that, and that you’re not just asking the question to be cute or, heaven forbid, to avoid dealing with the actual issue. You wouldn’t do that. Right?

    Oh, another “we all know” type argument. Great. You know that was a favorite propaganda tactic of the nazis and fascists, right? I mean, I would hope you know that and that you’re not just ginning up a connection when there’s really no good reason to make a connection.

    I might start calling you Fred Hydra.

    The first person who invoked the Nazi’s loses.

    We all lost much earlier than that.

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  7. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We have a huge problem. Trump voters are older. I have heard that if the elections were held today, and everyone voted the same way as they did in 2016, Trump would lose, due to the higher death rates of Trump voters.

    Good thing we have a fair number of young people leaving the Democrat Party, and even near-record black support for a Republican President in decades, then.

    This thread has largely been a train wreck, but the moderation was hilarious, and brought back memories of Monty Python.

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We have a huge problem. Trump voters are older. I have heard that if the elections were held today, and everyone voted the same way as they did in 2016, Trump would lose, due to the higher death rates of Trump voters.

    It’s even worse than that. All the dead Trump voters will be voting Democrat.

    The three close states were Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, not Illinois and LBJ’s Texas.

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  9. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Some of my best friends are [redacted].

    Well, Basil, I don’t think everyone got the memo that the word you used is and is simply a term of affection and totally different from the other one that is definitely offensive . ;D

    That’s what I get for listening to a Ricochet Contributor.

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  10. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Moderator Note:

    Redaction made on Hadra, not EDISONPARKS.

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Fred has a lot of courage to say things that need to be said, and to tackle topics that need to be addressed.

    Courage.

    Because other people who have called the President or his supporters racist, or insinuated that conservatives in general regularly use racial slurs, have been known to disappear in the dead of night, never to be heard from again.

    Please stop. It doesn’t take any courage to write this lazy, predictable garbage.

    You know what’s really shameful? That the word courage no longer means anything.

    I’m not going to be the one to decide on whether someone is courageous or not. [People] shouting at each each other through the keyboard do not exactly meet the standard of courage by any definition. I’ll own my part in that, in this case.

    [I am not OK with a] President of United States [who] reduc[es] everyone with skin a shade darker [than mine] to sub-human levels. “Animals.” “Dogs.” “People from (expletive) hole countries.”

    Need I go on?

    And now this. The “N-Word.” @retaillawyer thinks that I’m not “manly” because I don’t just come right out and type the word just like he thinks he should be able to, without any social consequences. Maybe he’s a real alpha, just like the President, so perhaps he’s in the best position possible to check my man card. (Go ahead and flag this. But the check the post first. He wrote it.)

    Don’t like hearing this? [Redacted.] Well, then here’s an idea for you: don’t defend what Trump is saying. Don’t defend blatantly and unquestionably racist things. [Redacted.]

    Except here you and a lot of other people are defending the use of that very word. The word that, probably up to this, was the line in the sand. But because it’s Trump, you just go with it. He fights! He defends your values! And he. Must. Be. Defended.

    So. What else is one supposed to think?

    [Redacted.] Just call me a cobbler. But no need to call me courageous.

    My take on the Left’s racial politics is the Left works hard to FIND racism in their political opponent.

    The Left will find racism where it may actually exist, where it kinda sort may or may not exist, and more often than not where racism does NOT exist.   The point is, the Left’s end game is to find and announce racism in their political opponent for political advantage, NOT to end racism for the betterment of society.   Most important the Left will make exactly zero effort to find racism on the (D) side of the ledger.

    I refuse to play the Left’s race baiting game because I know the Left is not seriously trying to solve the issue of race relations in our society, but rather the Left is unscrupulously using race as a cudgel in a disgusting attempt to gain political advantage.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Alright, I’m out. It feels like an Occupy rally in here . . .

    Complete with antifa face masks.

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  12. Bob Thompson Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We have a huge problem. Trump voters are older. I have heard that if the elections were held today, and everyone voted the same way as they did in 2016, Trump would lose, due to the higher death rates of Trump voters.

    The real theme brought to this conversation by @Fred Hadra is that people of color cannot be called to account for their misdeeds without those doing so being called racists. This results in California where the state is occupied by hordes of illegal immigrants, many of whom are protected felons, but who are encouraged and assisted to vote in elections. So you are correct, Gary, if this is what you think is the right way to go.

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We have a huge problem. Trump voters are older. I have heard that if the elections were held today, and everyone voted the same way as they did in 2016, Trump would lose, due to the higher death rates of Trump voters.

    The real theme brought to this conversation by @Fred Hadra is that people of color cannot be called to account for their misdeeds without those doing so being called racists. This results in California where the state is occupied by hordes of illegal immigrants, many of whom are protected felons, but who are encouraged and assisted to vote in elections. So you are correct, Gary, if this is what you think is the right way to go.

    No, I don’t.  I want to stop the flow. Would love a President Marco Rubio, Nikki Haley, or Tim Scott who can speak to fellow minority citizens.  And I want a President I can be proud of.

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  14. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We have a huge problem. Trump voters are older. I have heard that if the elections were held today, and everyone voted the same way as they did in 2016, Trump would lose, due to the higher death rates of Trump voters.

    You wanna strangle my grandmother, just admit it.

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  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We have a huge problem. Trump voters are older. I have heard that if the elections were held today, and everyone voted the same way as they did in 2016, Trump would lose, due to the higher death rates of Trump voters.

    You wanna strangle my grandmother, just admit it.

    I wish you and your grandmother a long and happy life.

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  16. Jager Coolidge
    Jager
    @Jager

    Moderator Note:

    Redaction made on Hadra, not Jager.

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Fred has a lot of courage to say things that need to be said, and to tackle topics that need to be addressed.

    Courage.

    Because other people who have called the President or his supporters racist, or insinuated that conservatives in general regularly use racial slurs, have been known to disappear in the dead of night, never to be heard from again.

    Please stop. It doesn’t take any courage to write this lazy, predictable garbage.

    You know what’s really shameful? That the word courage no longer means anything.

    I’m not going to be the one to decide on whether someone is courageous or not. [People] shouting at each each other through the keyboard do not exactly meet the standard of courage by any definition. I’ll own my part in that, in this case.

    [I am not OK with a] President of United States [who] reduc[es] everyone with skin a shade darker [than mine] to sub-human levels. “Animals.” “Dogs.” “People from (expletive) hole countries.”

    Need I go on?

    And now this. The “N-Word.” @retaillawyer thinks that I’m not “manly” because I don’t just come right out and type the word just like he thinks he should be able to, without any social consequences. Maybe he’s a real alpha, just like the President, so perhaps he’s in the best position possible to check my man card. (Go ahead and flag this. But the check the post first. He wrote it.)

    Don’t like hearing this? [Redacted.] Well, then here’s an idea for you: don’t defend what Trump is saying. Don’t defend blatantly and unquestionably racist things. [Redacted.]

    Except here you and a lot of other people are defending the use of that very word. The word that, probably up to this, was the line in the sand. But because it’s Trump, you just go with it. He fights! He defends your values! And he. Must. Be. Defended.

    So. What else is one supposed to think?

    [Redacted.] Just call me a cobbler. But no need to call me courageous.

    You are not a very good cobbler. None of your shoes seem to fit. 

    • #196
  17. OldPhil Coolidge
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    @OldPhil

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    If this tape does exist, and it comes out for all of us to hear, it’s going to do enormous damage to the Republican Party. Because what will certainly follow is legions of Trump apologists explaining how it’s okay. At which point, the Republican Party will become the It’s-Okay-To-Say-The-N-Word Party.

    It’s time to play “Name that Logical Fallacy!”

    Why don’t you start instead of just throwing out snarky and rude comments?

    Some posts just invite them.

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  18. Jager Coolidge
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    Fred Hadra (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):

    [I am not OK with a] President of United States [who] reduc[es] everyone with skin a shade darker [than mine] to sub-human levels. “Animals.” “Dogs.” “People from (expletive) hole countries.”

    Need I go on?

    Yes. You need to get specific and explain how any of the above, “Animals.” “Dogs.” “People from (expletive) hole countries.”, relates to skin color.

    See my comment above.

    “Animals” was in reference, specifically, to Guatemalans, El Salvadorans, people of Latin American countries. Not white, in other words.

    “Dogs” – well, in this case he was talking about Omorosa. A black woman. Do you need a history lesson on the ways African Americans have been dehumanized for hundreds of years by calling them animals, dogs, etc. etc.?

    “People from ****hole countries” – he was talking about Haiti, and certain African countries, if I’m not mistaken. And I don’t think I am.

    Or maybe I am mistaken in thinking that you actually wanted me to go into detail on this, or are persuadable on this topic.

    Silly me.

    Ok. I was afraid you were serous with some of this stuff, but you are just joking right? You posted the link. Trump called MS-13 animals. Not poor people, not people of a certain skin color. Not people from Guatemala or El Salvador, but members of a viscous gang that is infamous for machete attacks. Calling out vicious murders doesn’t seam like a good example of racism.

    Trump called Romney, Bannon and Hillary dogs too. What race are they that he is insulting? I didn’t know that there was a long history of equating white people to animals. Or maybe it is just a word he uses against people with no racial component, and you have to create one to justify your snark.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-calls-omarosa-a-dog-but-shes-not-alone/

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  19. Pope St Pius V Hang 'Em High Inactive
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    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    We have a huge problem. Trump voters are older. I have heard that if the elections were held today, and everyone voted the same way as they did in 2016, Trump would lose, due to the higher death rates of Trump voters.

    It’s even worse than that. All the dead Trump voters will be voting Democrat.

    Do we have actual proof that Hillary is still alive?

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  20. Pope St Pius V Hang 'Em High Inactive
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    @Pseudodionysius

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Some of my best friends are [redacted].

    Well, Basil, I don’t think everyone got the memo that the word you used is and is simply a term of affection and totally different from the other one that is definitely offensive . ;D

    That’s what I get for listening to a Ricochet Contributor.

    Miss Ann Elk.

     

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  21. Bob Thompson Member
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    Jager (View Comment):

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Fred Hadra (View Comment):

    [I am not OK with a] President of United States [who] reduc[es] everyone with skin a shade darker [than mine] to sub-human levels. “Animals.” “Dogs.” “People from (expletive) hole countries.”

    Need I go on?

    Yes. You need to get specific and explain how any of the above, “Animals.” “Dogs.” “People from (expletive) hole countries.”, relates to skin color.

    See my comment above.

    “Animals” was in reference, specifically, to Guatemalans, El Salvadorans, people of Latin American countries. Not white, in other words.

    “Dogs” – well, in this case he was talking about Omorosa. A black woman. Do you need a history lesson on the ways African Americans have been dehumanized for hundreds of years by calling them animals, dogs, etc. etc.?

    “People from ****hole countries” – he was talking about Haiti, and certain African countries, if I’m not mistaken. And I don’t think I am.

    Or maybe I am mistaken in thinking that you actually wanted me to go into detail on this, or are persuadable on this topic.

    Silly me.

    Ok. I was afraid you were serous with some of this stuff, but you are just joking right? You posted the link. Trump called MS-13 animals. Not poor people, not people of a certain skin color. Not people from Guatemala or El Salvador, but members of a viscous gang that is infamous for machete attacks. Calling out vicious murders doesn’t seam like a good example of racism.

    Trump called Romney, Bannon and Hillary dogs too. What race are they that he is insulting? I didn’t know that there was a long history of equating white people to animals. Or maybe it is just a word he uses against people with no racial component, and you have to create one to justify your snark.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-calls-omarosa-a-dog-but-shes-not-alone/

    You did that good.

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  22. Jamie Lockett Member
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    @JamieLockett

    @fredhadra is my spirit animal. 

    • #202
  23. Bob Thompson Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    @fredhadra is my spirit animal.

    Well, I guess he’s a mindreader.

    • #203
  24. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I met with a democratic friend who holds a statewide office in the Arizona Democratic Party. He lowered his voice and told me that he was absolutely convinced that most Republicans opposed Obama based upon racism. He was absolutely serious, and saddened by that.

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    • #204
  25. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Bob W (View Comment):
    Gary you need to repent from this statement. Despair is never a good strategy. Tell me how voting for Democrats will achieve conservative goals. Could you ever imagine a liberal saying to vote for Republicans for similar reasons?

    At this point, Gary doesn’t care about conservative goals.  He only cares about anti-Trump goals.

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  26. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    I hereby denounce Trump for what he did or didn’t say on the tape that might or might not exist, and will wear a golden hair-shirt emblazoned with a scarlet ‘N’ to show that I, a right-thinking Republican will not tolerate any use of the dash-word by a non-approved dash-word user. I do this to protect the Republican party from being called racist by a leftists, because we’ve never been accused of being racists before. 

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  27. Lash LaRoche Inactive
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    TBA (View Comment):

    I hereby denounce Trump for what he did or didn’t say on the tape that might or might not exist, and will wear a golden hair-shirt emblazoned with a scarlet ‘N’ to show that I, a right-thinking Republican will not tolerate any use of the dash-word by a non-approved dash-word user. I do this to protect the Republican party from being called racist by a leftists, because we’ve never been accused of being racists before.

    And I hereby denounce myself for not having denounced Trump for what he did or didn’t say on a tape that might or might not exist. And also for not appreciating all of the virtue signaling done on my behalf as a half-Hispanic Québécois-American who also identifies as a mackerel-snapping, heteronormative Texan imperialist.

    • #207
  28. Jamie Lockett Member
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    @JamieLockett

    TBA (View Comment):

    I hereby denounce Trump for what he did or didn’t say on the tape that might or might not exist, and will wear a golden hair-shirt emblazoned with a scarlet ‘N’ to show that I, a right-thinking Republican will not tolerate any use of the dash-word by a non-approved dash-word user. I do this to protect the Republican party from being called racist by a leftists, because we’ve never been accused of being racists before.

    Leeeeeeeroy Jeeeeeeenkins.

    • #208
  29. MarciN Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    I hereby denounce Trump for what he did or didn’t say on the tape that might or might not exist, and will wear a golden hair-shirt emblazoned with a scarlet ‘N’ to show that I, a right-thinking Republican will not tolerate any use of the dash-word by a non-approved dash-word user. I do this to protect the Republican party from being called racist by a leftists, because we’ve never been accused of being racists before.

    This is wonderful. 

    I really wish you would make this its own post. :-)

    • #209
  30. Annefy Member
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    @Annefy

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I’m impressed by Fred’s ability to post pieces that generate long and heated response chains.

    I could explain this but it wouldn’t pass muster.

    I have it on good authority that Ricochet is in the “comment business”’.

    So hats off to all for making Ricochet more successful 

    • #210
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