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The Justice Department has instructed its lawyers to stop calling illegal aliens “undocumented immigrants,” and instead to use the actual legal terminology of, well, “illegal aliens.” (Apparently “unauthorized aliens” is also acceptable.)

This is a little bit like Attorney General Loretta Lynch telling FBI Directory James Comey to refer to the Hillary Clinton investigation as a “matter,” rather than calling it what the FBI always calls an investigation, which is, unsurprisingly, an “investigation.”

Heh. No, I’m being sarcastic. It’s pretty much exactly the opposite. And as a lover of both words and the clarity they can provide when used honestly, I applaud the administration for insisting that the correct words be used to describe illegal aliens.

Of course, I expect CNN to continue to call apples “undocumented bananas.” One step at a time.

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  1. The Reticulator Member

    Henry Racette: “undocumented immigrants,”

    If I don’t file a tax return, am I an undocumented taxpayer?

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    • July 25, 2018, at 8:02 AM PDT
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  2. Mark Camp Member

    Henry Racette: No, I’m being sarcastic.

    Whew!! You had me good there for a second, HR.

    Today, Facebook readers tend to have difficulty recognizing as satire a “TV Interview” spoof ridiculing the sweet, sexy airheadedness of a young slogan-spouting socialist Latina who only Occasionally- engages her cerebral -Cortex.

    And now I find that I myself have mentally matured to the point where I need help in the humour-detection department.

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    • July 25, 2018, at 8:09 AM PDT
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  3. James Gawron Thatcher
    James GawronJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Henry Racette: Of course, I expect CNN to continue to call apples “undocumented bananas.”

    Henry,

    I shall place this quote upon my computer screen with a sticky for inspiration (at least until noon). Doesn’t this return to rational nomenclature make you feel that in some small way sanity is peeking out from the hole that it has been hiding in and that lunacy finally is beginning to recede?

    Please don’t tell me about anything else going on today or it’ll spoil the feeling.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • July 25, 2018, at 8:11 AM PDT
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  4. John A Peabody Inactive
    John A PeabodyJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Apparently, immediately after meeting with Loretta Lynch, a person with James Comey remarked in the elevator, “I suppose you are now the director of the ‘Federal Bureau of Matters’.”

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    • July 25, 2018, at 8:16 AM PDT
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  5. Franco Inactive
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    I believe they objected to the word “aliens” because they watch too many science fiction blockbusters and never learned the basic meaning of the word.

     

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    • July 25, 2018, at 8:29 AM PDT
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  6. toggle Inactive

    Henry Racette:

    Of course, I expect CNN to continue to call apples “undocumented bananas.” One step at a time.

    Good point.

    Have wondered how long it will take for the left to usurp for themselves the label “right” and relegate us to “left.”

    It’s inevitable.

    They did it with “liberal.”

    Then with the “red” party.

    The temptation of their being labeled “right” they will not resist.

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    • July 25, 2018, at 8:41 AM PDT
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  7. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    I can sort of get the semantic discomfort that “illegal alien” causes the Left. As the maxim goes, “love the sinner, hate the sin.” Actions can be illegal, but can people?

    However, it is merely a semantic argument. I doubt most proponents of border control really think the people themselves are illegal, but “migrants who cross the border illegally” would be a bit of a mouthful.

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    • July 25, 2018, at 8:47 AM PDT
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  8. The Reticulator Member

    toggle (View Comment):
    Have wondered how long it will take for the left to usurp for themselves the label “right” and relegate us to “left.”

    People on Ricochet have already done it to me. So, yes, it has already happened.

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    • July 25, 2018, at 8:51 AM PDT
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  9. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    I can sort of get the semantic discomfort that “illegal alien” causes the Left. As the maxim goes, “love the sinner, hate the sin.” Actions can be illegal, but can people?

    However, it is merely a semantic argument. I doubt most proponents of border control really think the people themselves are illegal, but “migrants who cross the border illegally” would be a bit of a mouthful.

    Miss Theocracy, I think you’re overthinking it.

    Aliens who are here illegally are illegal aliens, just as a turn that is illegal at a particular corner is an illegal turn.

    I’m sure the discomfort it causes the left isn’t some subtle aspect of language, but rather the fact that the word “illegal” means, to most Americans, “wrong,” and the left doesn’t like the idea being promulgated that entering the nation illegally is in any way wrong.

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    • July 25, 2018, at 9:03 AM PDT
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  10. tigerlily Member

    Henry Racette:

    I applaud the administration for insisting that the correct words be used to describe illegal aliens.

    Me too.

     

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    • July 25, 2018, at 9:32 AM PDT
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  11. Stad Coolidge

    Henry Racette: And as a lover of both words and the clarity they can provide when used honestly, I applaud the administration for insisting that the correct words be used to describe illegal aliens.

    Bank robbery = unauthorized withdrawal . . .

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    • July 25, 2018, at 9:51 AM PDT
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  12. Jules PA Member

    Baby steps. The left seeks to coopt language to mangle the truth in reaching their goals.

    I’m all for using words to express the truth. 

    Illegal immigrants is very direct. 

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    • July 25, 2018, at 10:52 AM PDT
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  13. Jules PA Member

    Why the word aliens over the word immigrants?

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    • July 25, 2018, at 10:56 AM PDT
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  14. Hoyacon Member

    I’ve always preferred the little used (except by me) “illegal entrant.” It’s hard to argue with.

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    • July 25, 2018, at 10:56 AM PDT
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  15. Henry Racette Contributor
    Henry Racette

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Why the word aliens over the word immigrants?

    Partly, perhaps, because “immigrant” presumes something about intent, whereas “alien” is a simple statement of fact.

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    • July 25, 2018, at 11:01 AM PDT
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  16. Jules PA Member

    Funny thing, how words matter. 

    An alien concept to so many.

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    • July 25, 2018, at 11:22 AM PDT
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  17. Joshua Bissey Coolidge

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Why the word aliens over the word immigrants?

    The dictionary definition of “immigrant,” at least from Merriam-Webster, includes an intent of permanent residency. An illegal might want to stay for life, but “alien” is a broader term.

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    • July 25, 2018, at 2:13 PM PDT
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  18. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Henry Racette: And as a lover of both words and the clarity they can provide when used honestly, I applaud the administration for insisting that the correct words be used to describe illegal aliens.

    Bank robbery = unauthorized withdrawal . . .

    Drug dealer = Undocumented pharmacist

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    • July 25, 2018, at 4:56 PM PDT
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  19. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    I’ve always preferred the little used (except by me) “illegal entrant.” It’s hard to argue with.

    I like this. It addresses Misthi’s objection, as the word “illegal” could be said to refer to the entry, not the person, while still emphasizing the illegality of it all.

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    • July 25, 2018, at 4:59 PM PDT
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  20. TBA Coolidge

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    I can sort of get the semantic discomfort that “illegal alien” causes the Left. As the maxim goes, “love the sinner, hate the sin.” Actions can be illegal, but can people?

    However, it is merely a semantic argument. I doubt most proponents of border control really think the people themselves are illegal, but “migrants who cross the border illegally” would be a bit of a mouthful.

    ‘Criminal aliens’. 

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    • July 25, 2018, at 10:11 PM PDT
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  21. TBA Coolidge

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Why the word aliens over the word immigrants?

    Partly, perhaps, because “immigrant” presumes something about intent, whereas “alien” is a simple statement of fact.

    Besides which, whole platoons of Germans immigrated to France during WWII. 

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    • July 25, 2018, at 10:13 PM PDT
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  22. Clifford A. Brown Contributor

    Franco (View Comment):

    I believe they objected to the word “aliens” because they watch too many science fiction blockbusters and never learned the basic meaning of the word.

    I actually had a farm owner float that objection in a social setting– “we shouldn’t call people aliens, like space aliens.” Not stupid at all, calculating and intentional about shifting politics by controlling language.

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    • July 26, 2018, at 1:20 AM PDT
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  23. Clifford A. Brown Contributor

    Looks like the change in terminology goes back to 2017.

    However, there may well have been significant internal resistance in DOJ, necessitating a follow-up message to U.S. Attornies this summer.

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    • July 26, 2018, at 1:35 AM PDT
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  24. John Hanson Thatcher

    And it only took a year and a half of the present administration to do this, why?

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    • July 26, 2018, at 2:14 AM PDT
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  25. Larry3435 Member

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Why the word aliens over the word immigrants?

    The dictionary definition of immigrant is “a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country.” Some illegals meet that definition, but many don’t. For me, the word immigrant carries the connotation that the person wants to become an American and assimilate into American culture; not just to get a job or some government benefits. So I think alien is more accurate than immigrant.

    But the real inaccuracy is in the word undocumented. These illegals have lots of documents. They are papered over with forged documents. In California, they don’t even have to visit their local forger – the state will actually give them valid documents. The left likes the word undocumented because it makes it sound like the whole problem is just a paperwork error.

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    • July 26, 2018, at 5:40 AM PDT
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  26. Joshua Bissey Coolidge

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Why the word aliens over the word immigrants?

    Partly, perhaps, because “immigrant” presumes something about intent, whereas “alien” is a simple statement of fact.

    Correct. “Alien” is less specific. It’s more inclusive. See! The Trump administration is fostering inclusion. How enlightened. How brave!

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    • July 26, 2018, at 5:40 AM PDT
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  27. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Miss Theocracy, I think you’re overthinking it.

    I prefer the term “superthinking”.

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    • July 26, 2018, at 6:31 AM PDT
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  28. Stad Coolidge

    Jules PA (View Comment):

    Why the word aliens over the word immigrants?

    I believe use of the term “immigrants” implies a permanent legal resettlement of people from one country to another, whereas “aliens” are citizens of another country who can be here legally or illegally.

    I believe I’m right, because my wife’s not here to tell me I’m wrong . . .

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    • July 26, 2018, at 6:43 AM PDT
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  29. Stina Member

    I once pointed out to someone claiming “illegal immigrant is racist” that that was the original PC translation of the legal alien. He was none too pleased when I refused to alter my vocabulary.

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    • July 26, 2018, at 10:01 AM PDT
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  30. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    AltarGirl (View Comment):

    I once pointed out to someone claiming “illegal immigrant is racist” that that was the original PC translation of the legal alien. He was none too pleased when I refused to alter my vocabulary.

    Just like “black” used to be the preferred alternative to “Negro.”

    And “retarded” used to be the preferred alternative to “moron” or “idiot” (both of which have lost all connection to mental illness in today’s usage.)

    One might suspect that they’re doing this on purpose.

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    • July 26, 2018, at 10:13 AM PDT
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