Trump at NATO: “Germany Is a Captive of Russia”

 

President Donald Trump, in a meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, blasted Germany for making a pipeline deal with Russia for energy, saying, “we’re going to have to do something because we’re not going to put up with it. We can’t put up with it. And it’s inappropriate. So, we have to talk about the billions and billions of dollars that being paid to the country that we’re supposed to be protecting you against.”

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  1. Reagan

    Moderator Note:

    Everyone please avoid using the first comment just to make a dig. This isn't a good look for Ricochet.

    Like an underworld bass.

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    • July 11, 2018 at 7:19 am
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Like an underworld bass.

    Yeah, nobody wants to listen to a tenor.

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    • July 11, 2018 at 7:21 am
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    Franco Post author

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Like an underworld bass.

    Nice to see you’re on topic. And congrats on being my first comment! Again!

     

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    • July 11, 2018 at 7:27 am
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    Franco Post author

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    • July 11, 2018 at 7:35 am
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  5. Coolidge

    So they are crediting Trump for their proposed spending increase.

    Does narcissistic virtue signalling like the Senate’s stupidity yesterday make it more or less likely that those and other increases will go through?

    When playing good cop-bad cop, the good cop has to be the one at the negotiation table. The guys back at home have to play the bad cop, even if it makes them feel yucky. 

    Imagine how well Trump could have done if he walked into NATO meetings and was able to say that he was fighting off Senate attempts to force withdrawal of our troops from Europe!

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    • July 11, 2018 at 7:35 am
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    ctlaw (View Comment): Imagine how well Trump could have done if he walked into NATO meetings and was able to say that he was fighting off Senate attempts to force withdrawal of our troops from Europe!

    Easy now. This is buck-up Mitch week…and he wrote a really good autobiography.

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    • July 11, 2018 at 7:43 am
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    Franco Post author

    One other dynamic to look at, is that Bush needed NATO desperately because of the wars. Obama needed them for his narcissistic rewards. 

    Trump doesn’t have those needs. And the EU is playing all kinds of games. 

    I actually think he’s punishing them ( quite rightly) and it’s fun to see them squirm like girly-men and girls.

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    • July 11, 2018 at 7:46 am
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    It is so refreshing for a businessman, rather than a politician, to speak so candidly about the world.

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    • July 11, 2018 at 7:51 am
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  9. Thatcher

    Major Major Major Major (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Like an underworld bass.

    Yeah, nobody wants to listen to a tenor.

    No, he meant the fish . . .

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    • July 11, 2018 at 7:56 am
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  10. Reagan

    Franco (View Comment):

    Michael Corelone: “My answer is this: ‘Nothing.’”

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    • July 11, 2018 at 8:06 am
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Michael Corelone: “My answer is this: ‘Nothing.’”

    You’re identifying with Michael? I had you pegged as more the Senator Geary type. Contempt for “lawlessness” but oh so polite to the wife.

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    • July 11, 2018 at 8:11 am
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  12. Reagan

    Franco (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Michael Corelone: “My answer is this: ‘Nothing.’”

    You’re identifying with Michael? I had you pegged as more the Senator Geary type. Contempt for “lawlessness” but oh so polite to the wife.

    Much more Michael than Senator Geary.

    Senator Geary reminds me later in the film of my fellow Republicans toadying up to Trump.

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    • July 11, 2018 at 8:17 am
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Michael Corelone: “My answer is this: ‘Nothing.’”

    You’re identifying with Michael? I had you pegged as more the Senator Geary type. Contempt for “lawlessness” but oh so polite to the wife.

    Much more Michael than Senator Geary.

    Senator Geary reminds me later in the film of my fellow Republicans toadying up to Trump.

    Hmmm…if memory serves me correctly, Senator Geary “todyed up” because the Corleones set him up via a dead, underage hooker. Are you saying your fellow Republicans got caught in a similar situation?

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    • July 11, 2018 at 8:28 am
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    danok1 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Michael Corelone: “My answer is this: ‘Nothing.’”

    You’re identifying with Michael? I had you pegged as more the Senator Geary type. Contempt for “lawlessness” but oh so polite to the wife.

    Much more Michael than Senator Geary.

    Senator Geary reminds me later in the film of my fellow Republicans toadying up to Trump.

    Hmmm…if memory serves me correctly, Senator Geary “todyed up” because the Corleones set him up via a dead, underage hooker. Are you saying your fellow Republicans got caught in a similar situation?

    Denny Hastert Republicans?

    Seriously, the deep state probably has dirt in all of them. Now that we have gotten a glimpse into what they’ve been doing with Trump, I’d say we have rogue intelligence agencies in collusion with political operatives running our country. Things make much more sense now.

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    • July 11, 2018 at 8:33 am
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    It is so refreshing for a businessman, rather than a politician, to speak so candidly about the world.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/russia-germany-gerhard-schroeder-putin-chief-european-lobbyist/

    “I have to say, I think it’s very sad when Germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with Russia where we’re supposed to be guarding against Russia,” Trump said at a breakfast with NATO secretary-general Jens Stoltenberg. “We’re supposed to protect you against Russia but they’re paying billions of dollars to Russia and I think that’s very inappropriate . . . Germany, as far as I’m concerned, is captive to Russia.”

     

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  16. Thatcher

    Franco,

    Nice Godfather II reference but here is something from Rich Lowry that is just stellar.

    Don’t Cry for Angela Merkel

    The Baltic states, and anyone in the direct line of fire of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, are scared and spending, although no one will mistake these countries for behemoths. England is above 2 percent, at least in theory (one think tank says that it’s actually 1.6 percent). France is steadily increasing toward the 2 percent target.

    It is the biggest economy in Europe and fourth-largest in the world that is the serious laggard. Germany spends all of 1.2 percent of GDP on defense. As Elisabeth Braw points out in Foreign Policy magazine, its military is short on tents and winter clothes. Its aircraft suffer from missing spare parts, and most of its tanks aren’t battle-ready. It has a shortfall of about 20,000 officers and noncommissioned officers. It is promising to get to 1.5 percent GDP . . . by 2025 (when a Trump second term would be ending).

    Don’t cry for Angela indeed!!

    Regards,

    Jim

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    danok1 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

    Michael Corelone: “My answer is this: ‘Nothing.’”

    You’re identifying with Michael? I had you pegged as more the Senator Geary type. Contempt for “lawlessness” but oh so polite to the wife.

    Much more Michael than Senator Geary.

    Senator Geary reminds me later in the film of my fellow Republicans toadying up to Trump.

    Hmmm…if memory serves me correctly, Senator Geary “todyed up” because the Corleones set him up via a dead, underage hooker. Are you saying your fellow Republicans got caught in a similar situation?

    No. The analogy does not go that far…

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    Franco (View Comment):

    One other dynamic to look at, is that Bush needed NATO desperately because of the wars. Obama needed them for his narcissistic rewards. 

    Trump doesn’t have those needs. And the EU is playing all kinds of games. 

    We still have the wars. Just came from one in fact.

    The latest readiness reports out of Germany are terribly troubling.

    At the end of 2017, no submarines and none of the air force’s 14 large transport planes were available for deployment due to repairs.

    (Same link above) Soldiers have experienced increasing levels of stress and there was a lack adequate leadership due to some 21,000 vacant officer posts.

    Due to a technical problem with the defense system of the combat aircraft only 10 of the Luftwaffe’s 128 Eurofighters are mission ready, according to the report. — (The problem isn’t that the fleet is grounded, these things happen all the time including to us – the problem is that they aren’t addressing the fix in a timely matter – instugator)

    (Same link) The wing pod issue is only one problem facing the Luftwaffe. Der Spiegel reported that there are only enough missiles to make only four Eurofigher jets ready for combat. (Although it doesn’t help if you don’t have weapons to shoot – instugator)

    President Trump isn’t tearing down NATO – Some member countries are doing that themselves.

    Don’t get me started on how Erdogan uses NATO to provide strategic depth while he pursues a real relationship with Putin.

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  19. Thatcher

    Franco,

    They are having quite a morning at NRO. Here’s another one right on the money from Jim Geraghty.

    Worried about Russia? Then Keep an Eye on Germany’s Former Chancellor

    One of Schroeder’s last acts in office in 2005 was authorizing “Nord Stream,” a pipeline bypassing key territories and controlled by Russia’s Gazprom energy company. Shortly after leaving office, Vladimir Putin arranged for Schroeder to chair the project, and then he started pushing for a second pipeline, Nord Stream 2. Instead of diversifying Europe’s energy supply, Schroeder’s pushed policies that make the continent more dependent upon Russia, not less. In September 2017, Putin arranged for Schroeder to become chairman of Rosneft, the state-owned Russian oil giant.

    The Wall Street Journal’s Holman Jenkins wrote earlier this year that Schroeder is exactly the kind of wealthy, well-connected, influential figure acting on behalf of Russia that U.S. sanctions are supposed to target:

    “Germany’s allies and its European Union partners, including the quietly frantic Poles and Balts, can’t quite refer to Mr. Schroeder as a Putin agent nestled in the heart of Germany’s political and business elite. His name doesn’t appear on any U.S. government list. Section 241 of last summer’s sanctions law required the U.S. Treasury to identify the ‘most significant senior foreign political figures and oligarchs’ behind the Putin regime. These descriptors would seem to apply to Mr. Schroeder but it remains diplomatically impermissible to say so.”

    Lately, Schroeder has been hanging out with Putin at the World Cup. How is it, in an era when U.S. politics is suddenly deeply concerned — some would say paranoid — about Russian influence, that Schroeder’s cheerful embrace of lobbying for Russia has barely made a ripple on this side of the pond?

    Yep, the MSM so understands international relations and are really on top of threats to US or European or World security. Actually, they really are a gang of worthless left-wing toadies who have no idea what a strategic position is except for next to the wine bar at a White House reception.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    I hate to interrupt, but let’s please keep it on topic and not let the tension rise in here. 

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    The Germans sanctimoniously went big on renewable energy which, ah, unexpectedly caused problems in their ability to generate enough electricity. So what if buying gas from Russia means Putin has them by the short and curlies?

    POTUS: Now, if you look at it, Germany is a captive of Russia because they supply. They got rid of their coal plants. They got rid of their nuclear. They’re getting so much of the oil and gas from Russia. I think it’s something that NATO has to look at. I think it’s very inappropriate. You and I agree that it’s inappropriate. I don’t know what you can do about it now, but it certainly doesn’t seem to make sense that they paid billions of dollars to Russia and now we have to defend them against Russia.

    To make matters worse, Trump was gauche enough to point out that a former Chancellor of Germany runs the pipeline company that’s supplying the gas to Germany.

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    Franco Post author

    “To make matters worse, Trump was gauche enough to point out that a former Chancellor of Germany runs the pipeline company that’s supplying the gas to Germany.”

    I wonder how many Germans knew about that. It looks to me like they are even more propagandized than we are.

     

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    J.D. Snapp (View Comment):

    I hate to interrupt, but let’s please keep it on topic and not let the tension rise in here.

    Point well taken. I have posted “Has Trump been compromised by Putin and Russia?” where I note two articles that explore that premise.

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    The NATO Secretary is talking double-speak, repeating the old lines. Trump is right, and he wastes no time getting to the point. He’s not there for the food and the scenery. How they forget the way Russia ‘turned off the gas’ in the winter into The Ukraine, as political manipulation – while they froze. It is a very bold statement, since he will be meeting with Putin. He is right – they all want protection, Russia has movement in the water, on land, everyone’s nervous. The Secretary said they are getting it – and America showing strength is having an impact on Africa and other areas of the world where there are problems. So who has an issue with what was said? He speaks the truth and if it makes people squirm, then so what/

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    By the way, this is printed April 2018:

    https://www.dw.com/en/nato-and-washington-worry-about-russian-subs-in-the-high-north/a-43533440

     

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Like an underworld bass.

    Like a leader. Germany in particular and NATO as a group has been taking advanage of us since at least the late 50’s. Slackers.

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):

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    Franco (View Comment):

    Michael Corelone: “My answer is this: ‘Nothing.’”

    You’re identifying with Michael? I had you pegged as more the Senator Geary type. Contempt for “lawlessness” but oh so polite to the wife.

    Much more Michael than Senator Geary.

    Senator Geary reminds me later in the film of my fellow Republicans toadying up to Trump.

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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The Germans sanctimoniously went big on renewable energy which, ah, unexpectedly caused problems in their ability to generate enough electricity. So what if buying gas from Russia means Putin has them by the short and curlies?

    POTUS: Now, if you look at it, Germany is a captive of Russia because they supply. They got rid of their coal plants. They got rid of their nuclear. They’re getting so much of the oil and gas from Russia. I think it’s something that NATO has to look at. I think it’s very inappropriate. You and I agree that it’s inappropriate. I don’t know what you can do about it now, but it certainly doesn’t seem to make sense that they paid billions of dollars to Russia and now we have to defend them against Russia.

    To make matters worse, Trump was gauche enough to point out that a former Chancellor of Germany runs the pipeline company that’s supplying the gas to Germany.

    And Germany is pushing for a Baltic pipeline to make them even more dependent on Russian gas. Trump should push them to build LNG ports to get gas from US. Or do we just keep defending the Germans while they get to play virtue signaling?

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    Am I wrong to absolutely adore Trump in this video? I have watched it 5 times and have a huge grin on my face.

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    Kozak (View Comment):
    And Germany is pushing for a Baltic pipeline to make them even more dependent on Russian gas. Trump should push them to build LNG ports to get gas from US. Or do we just keep defending the Germans while they get to play virtue signaling?

    The krauts should go back to nuclear – it is the greenest of all.

    Just remember, fusion is the energy of the future and it always will be.

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