You’re Out of Your Element

 

A few weeks ago, I was watching Young Frankenstein. About halfway through, I realized that to the best of my knowledge, I hadn’t seen it before, yet due to the sort of people I associate with, I was already aware of all the most-referenced parts. It was not the first movie I’ve seen where previous secondhand knowledge somewhat diminished my enjoyment.

On the other side of the ledger, @hankrhody referenced Bartertown at work. In a group that could be expected to have known and asking other people afterward, he was only able to find 1.5 out of 19 people that knew who run Bartertown. (The half point was for knowing the movie.)

There are a couple reasons for telling these stories. The first is to point out ways that having common reference points and in-jokes can provide to bring people into a group or have a sidebar conversation that only a few people will understand. If someone asks me a yes/no question and I respond with “Is the Space Pope reptilian?” how they respond will probably have an effect on my opinion of them.

The second reason is to discuss exactly how much of a given medium one needs to be aware of in order to participate in a given conversation. If I know, for example: that the cake is a lie, you can’t fight in the War Room, that all your base are belong to us, that five is right out, that a man’s got to know his limitations, the Buster kept me out of handcuffs, that rug really tied the room together, if the light is green, the trap is clean, that word does not mean what I think it means, or that Shaft is one bad mother…, is it necessary to have actually consumed that media, or is it enough to know why it means what it means?

This principle can be applied to more than just movie and tv references. In another post, there was a discussion of the Fry’s Electronics chain and its legendarily bad customer service, which I was aware of despite not having been to one. Even Ricochet has some examples, although those will be left open as an exercise for the reader.

That’s all I’ve got, the floor is open. Anyone else have lines that they regularly use in conversation, whether or not anyone else will understand it?

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  1. JosePluma Coolidge
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    Hank Rhody, Possibly Mad (View Comment):

    Also from Dr. Strangelove, I find myself parroting the Russian Ambassador’s line “I must confess you have an astonishingly good idea there” for much the same reasons he had.

    “Well, boys, this is it, nookular combat, tot-to-toe with the Rooskies.”

    “We got some flyin’ to do.”

    “Shoot, a fella could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.”

     

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  2. JosePluma Coolidge
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    @JosePluma

    MeanDurphy (View Comment):

    My favorite instance was when my wife and I were playing “Taboo” with my family at the holidays right after we were married.

    I got the clue, and promptly pulled my t-shirt over my head and raised my arms at right angles.

    She immediately replied “Nicaragua!”

    we were accused of cheating.

    I’m with @nickh, I can’t figure this out.

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  3. Hartmann von Aue Member
    Hartmann von Aue
    @HartmannvonAue

    “It tastes exactly like licking a shag carpet.”

    “I’m Bob and I’ll be your robber tonight.”

    “He can have the chicken.”

    “No, too much peril.”

    “Because they’re made of wood.”

    “Message for you, sir!”

    “Nine-letter-word starting with ‘C'”.

    “Go ahead, skin that smokewagon, and see what happens!”

    “Well, I supposed I’m deranged, but I’ll just have to call.”

    “You do know how to whistle, don’t you, Steve?”

    “You’re a flower, you are.”

    “It was the best we could do in two hours.”

    And did anyone else here know the reference to “the whole nine yards” before they looked it up in the Dictionary of Military Slang? And has anyone gotten @jameslileks in on this conversation yet?

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  4. Hartmann von Aue Member
    Hartmann von Aue
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    (tl/dr movie quotes are for grups, the future is all remixed meme refs)

    Python-wise, when someone is putting on airs or deriding something as being a bit beneath them, I say Oh! Oh! No buttered scones for me, Mater, I’m off to play the Grand Piano. No one gets it, but they get the point. If I said “ha ha, Graham Chapman suspected from wires above his desk,” I’d get a blank look.

    The only Python ref that seems to persist is “No one expects the (x)”, and perhaps that’s apt – younger people may not know the original item, but they understand that there is something to which the line refers. This sort of reference-to-a-reference is popular among the Twitter folk. It signals familiarity with meme culture, which is the primary cultural lingo of the younger set. If you say “anime pigeon questioning is the new caveman Spongebob” to someone who is 20, they will know what you mean.

    Tonight at dinner Daughter and a friend were discussing new slang, and the friend mentioned “Here’s the T” as her new fave. I hadn’t seen this, but suspected I knew what this meant, and said “From none of my business tea lizard Kermit?” The friend said Yes, and it all clicked: of course hot gossip would be called Tea. Kermit may not have thought it was any of his business, but the rest of us would be interested. Big bonus points for being an old guy who knew the tea-lizard twist.

    It’s not always a reference to a picture; you can say “Wal-Mart yodel is kid is milkshake duck now” and it’s a ref to a vid and a verbal meme.

    The speed at which the internet is redefining communication seems an unexamined phenomenon.

    Ah, good. He was already here. Should have looked first. Hrrm. 

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  5. Nick H Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Bartholomew Xerxes Ogilvie, Jr. (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    The only Python ref that seems to persist is “No one expects the (x)”,

    That’s one of the most popular, but I think there are others. One that comes immediately to mind is “It’s only a flesh wound,” which I see fairly regularly.

    And then, of course, there’s the word “spam” (in its Internet sense), which isn’t even a Python reference anymore; it has entered the language as a legitimate word in its own right, by way of Python. An interesting etymology to be sure.

    “This is an Ex-parrot”. Substitute whatever you choose for parrot.

    Several lines from that sketch – “he’s not dead, he’s pining for the fjords”. “He’s not dead, he’s resting”. “That [Parrot] wouldn’t ‘voom’ if you put 40,000 volts through him.”

    I’ll use “It’s a fair cop.” Most people don’t catch that it’s a MP reference, but they get the gist. 

    And there are other Holy Grail references that I hear semi-frequently. Just the other day someone asked me about the average velocity of an unladen swallow. (African or European was unspecified.) 

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  6. Umbra of Nex Inactive
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    Nick H (View Comment):

    I’ll use “It’s a fair cop.” Most people don’t catch that it’s a MP reference, but they get the gist. 

     

    I believe “fair cop” is an actual phrase in common usage outside of North America. I’ve seen Australians use it in places where a Monty Python reference was clearly not intended.

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  7. Arahant Member
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    Umbra of Nex (View Comment):

    Nick H (View Comment):

    I’ll use “It’s a fair cop.” Most people don’t catch that it’s a MP reference, but they get the gist.

    I believe “fair cop” is an actual phrase in common usage outside of North America. I’ve seen Australians use it in places where a Monty Python reference was clearly not intended.

    Cop, in that sense, has been in the language since 1709 and is used in America as well.

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  8. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Umbra of Nex (View Comment):

    Nick H (View Comment):

    I’ll use “It’s a fair cop.” Most people don’t catch that it’s a MP reference, but they get the gist.

    I believe “fair cop” is an actual phrase in common usage outside of North America. I’ve seen Australians use it in places where a Monty Python reference was clearly not intended.

    Cop, in that sense, has been in the language since 1709 and is used in America as well.

    I used it on a sheriff in West Virginia three years ago. He had me for doing 79 in a 65 zone.  It was a fair cop. 

     

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  9. Nick H Coolidge
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    @NickH

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Umbra of Nex (View Comment):

    Nick H (View Comment):

    I’ll use “It’s a fair cop.” Most people don’t catch that it’s a MP reference, but they get the gist.

    I believe “fair cop” is an actual phrase in common usage outside of North America. I’ve seen Australians use it in places where a Monty Python reference was clearly not intended.

    Cop, in that sense, has been in the language since 1709 and is used in America as well.

    Oh sure, you can use it in a completely common way like that. It’s only when you use it for something completely absurd that it becomes a MP reference. 

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  10. danok1 Member
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    @danok1

    My family and I use “People are idiots, Leslie.”

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  11. Clavius Thatcher
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    @Clavius

    There were two choices, steak and fish.

    That’s right, I remember.  I had lasagna.

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  12. philo Member
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    @philo

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Mimi Allen (View Comment): “One time at band camp”

    Yes!

    That movie was terrible, but if you view the whole thing as a really long setup for that one punchline it’s completely worth it.

     

    I remember this line and a short “skit” around a freshly baked pie in the kitchen.  As for anything resembling a movie beyond that, memory fails me…

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  13. EHerring Coolidge
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    @EHerring

    -Are you suggesting coconuts are migratory?

    -We don’t need no stinkin badges

    Seriously, who can understand our language, quotes, and fables if they haven’t read Shakespeare and The Holy Bible?

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  14. Miffed White Male Member
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    philo (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Mimi Allen (View Comment): “One time at band camp”

    Yes!

    That movie was terrible, but if you view the whole thing as a really long setup for that one punchline it’s completely worth it.

     

    I remember this line and a short “skit” around a freshly baked pie in the kitchen. As for anything resembling a movie beyond that, memory fails me…

    ‘The long setup’ I mentioned was the repeated use of the line “this one time at Band Camp” throughout the movie.  It’s the last use when she mentions the flute that was the punchline.  

    But yeah, the movie was otherwise completely forgettable, and pretty bad.  Also, I don’t know if it was the originator/popularizer of the term MILF, or just the first time I heard it.

     

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  15. Miffed White Male Member
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    @MiffedWhiteMale

    There are also some common cultural references that are disappearing from common usage.

    Does anyone below the age of 35 or so know what you mean if you refer to someone as an Eddie Haskel?

     

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  16. Matt Balzer Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    There are also some common cultural references that are disappearing from common usage.

    Does anyone below the age of 35 or so know what you mean if you refer to someone as an Eddie Haskel?

    Sort of? I know where the reference is from at least.

     

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  17. Miffed White Male Member
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    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    There are also some common cultural references that are disappearing from common usage.

    Does anyone below the age of 35 or so know what you mean if you refer to someone as an Eddie Haskel?

    Sort of? I know where the reference is from at least.

     

    How old are you?  It’s from Leave It To Beaver, Eddie was one of Wally’s friends, he was a polite little phony/suck-up to the parents (“My, You’re looking  lovely today Mrs Cleaver”), while he was a dick when the adults/authority figures weren’t around.

     

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  18. Matt Balzer Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    There are also some common cultural references that are disappearing from common usage.

    Does anyone below the age of 35 or so know what you mean if you refer to someone as an Eddie Haskel?

    Sort of? I know where the reference is from at least.

     

    How old are you? It’s from Leave It To Beaver, Eddie was one of Wally’s friends, he was a polite little phony/suck-up to the parents (“My, You’re looking lovely today Mrs Cleaver”), while he was a dick when the adults/authority figures weren’t around.

    34. Like I said, I knew the show, had that general idea of what the character was like.

     

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  19. Miffed White Male Member
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    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    There are also some common cultural references that are disappearing from common usage.

    Does anyone below the age of 35 or so know what you mean if you refer to someone as an Eddie Haskel?

    Sort of? I know where the reference is from at least.

     

    How old are you? It’s from Leave It To Beaver, Eddie was one of Wally’s friends, he was a polite little phony/suck-up to the parents (“My, You’re looking lovely today Mrs Cleaver”), while he was a dick when the adults/authority figures weren’t around.

    34. Like I said, I knew the show, had that general idea of what the character was like.

     

    Ha – so I nailed the age-break almost perfectly!

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  20. Randy Webster Inactive
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    This is supposed to be a happy occasion.  Let’s not bicker and argue about ‘oo killed ‘oo.

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  21. Randy Webster Inactive
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    And one of my favorites:  Message for you sir.

    Oops.  Sorry Hartmann.

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  22. Umbra of Nex Inactive
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let’s not bicker and argue about ‘oo killed ‘oo.

    I’ve been known to replace “killed” with other verbs as determined by the situation.

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  23. Metalheaddoc Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    My references are usually to Buckaroo Banzai or Firefly.

    I just watched BB a few nights ago!

     

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  24. Metalheaddoc Member
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    @Metalheaddoc

    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    “I aim to misbehave.”

    When my boy was a baby, I got him a onesie that said that.

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  25. MeanDurphy Member
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    @DeanMurphy

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    MeanDurphy (View Comment):

    My favorite instance was when my wife and I were playing “Taboo” with my family at the holidays right after we were married.

    I got the clue, and promptly pulled my t-shirt over my head and raised my arms at right angles.

    She immediately replied “Nicaragua!”

    we were accused of cheating.

    I’m with @nickh, I can’t figure this out.

    Beavis and Butthead.  Beavis as the Great Cornholio gets amped up on sugar and starts twitching (more) and pulls his tee-shirt over his head, walking around with his arms up, sayingthings like

    ”I am the great cornholio!”  “Do not make my bunghole angry!” And

    ”Nicaragua!”

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  26. Umbra of Nex Inactive
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    @UmbraFractus

    MeanDurphy (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    MeanDurphy (View Comment):

    My favorite instance was when my wife and I were playing “Taboo” with my family at the holidays right after we were married.

    I got the clue, and promptly pulled my t-shirt over my head and raised my arms at right angles.

    She immediately replied “Nicaragua!”

    we were accused of cheating.

    I’m with @nickh, I can’t figure this out.

    Beavis and Butthead. Beavis as the Great Cornholio gets amped up on sugar and starts twitching (more) and pulls his tee-shirt over his head, walking around with his arms up, sayingthings like

    ”I am the great cornholio!” “Do not make my bunghole angry!” And

    ”Nicaragua!”

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  27. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Matt Balzer (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    There are also some common cultural references that are disappearing from common usage.

    Does anyone below the age of 35 or so know what you mean if you refer to someone as an Eddie Haskel?

    Sort of? I know where the reference is from at least.

     

    How old are you? It’s from Leave It To Beaver, Eddie was one of Wally’s friends, he was a polite little phony/suck-up to the parents (“My, You’re looking lovely today Mrs Cleaver”), while he was a dick when the adults/authority figures weren’t around.

    34. Like I said, I knew the show, had that general idea of what the character was like.

     

    Ha – so I nailed the age-break almost perfectly!

    In the 2000 election, Rush Limbaugh got laughs by referring to Gore as “Eddie Haskell”. Now, I’m not just being political here when I say he hit the bullseye. Adding to the mirth, the actor who played Eddie Haskell, Ken Osmond, retired from acting in his youth and became a police officer and a conservative. He had a phone-in segment with Rush where he seethed in mock anger: “Eddie was a suck-up and a con artist and a smarmy liar, but damn it, compare him to Al Gore? That’s libel, pal!” Rush pretended to apologize. 

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  28. JosePluma Coolidge
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    MeanDurphy (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    MeanDurphy (View Comment):

    My favorite instance was when my wife and I were playing “Taboo” with my family at the holidays right after we were married.

    I got the clue, and promptly pulled my t-shirt over my head and raised my arms at right angles.

    She immediately replied “Nicaragua!”

    we were accused of cheating.

    I’m with @nickh, I can’t figure this out.

    Beavis and Butthead. Beavis as the Great Cornholio gets amped up on sugar and starts twitching (more) and pulls his tee-shirt over his head, walking around with his arms up, sayingthings like

    ”I am the great cornholio!” “Do not make my bunghole angry!” And

    ”Nicaragua!”

    Uh…thanks.  “You should be careful what you ask for; you just might get it.”

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  29. philo Member
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    @philo

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    MeanDurphy (View Comment):

    JosePluma (View Comment):

    MeanDurphy (View Comment):

    My favorite instance was when my wife and I were playing “Taboo” with my family at the holidays right after we were married.

    I got the clue, and promptly pulled my t-shirt over my head and raised my arms at right angles.

    She immediately replied “Nicaragua!”

    we were accused of cheating.

    I’m with @nickh, I can’t figure this out.

    Beavis and Butthead. Beavis as the Great Cornholio gets amped up on sugar and starts twitching (more) and pulls his tee-shirt over his head, walking around with his arms up, sayingthings like

    ”I am the great cornholio!” “Do not make my bunghole angry!” And

    ”Nicaragua!”

    Uh…thanks. “You should be careful what you ask for; you just might get it.”

     

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  30. Suspira Member
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    @Suspira

    EHerring (View Comment):
    Seriously, who can understand our language, quotes, and fables if they haven’t read Shakespeare and The Holy Bible?

    As a fan of P.G. Wodehouse, I am always struck by the numerous literary references in his works of light fiction. It was the result of a good education, which did not include university, and a shared culture. My own mother, who never went to college, could drop a Shakespeare quote into conversation (the only time I ever heard even mild profanity from her lips was when she quoted Lady Macbeth). 

    I wonder to what extent lacking a shared culture—and a serious core curriculum—drives our degraded mass entertainment. There’s no choice but to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

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