Harvard Stands Up for the “R” Word

 

As many are aware, Harvard is being sued for discriminating against Asians, who apparently have to have an SAT score 140 points higher than other minorities to gain acceptance. All of this is very confusing, but Dr. Faust, President of Harvard, makes a Faustian bargain to explain the veritas:

This email letter is addressed to Alumni (of which I am one) and Friends (of which I am probably no longer, and let’s face it, I may also soon no longer be one of the former). I cannot abide by this kind of immoral behavior. Or is it moral? Which one is it? How can we really know the truth? Answer: matriculate Harvard. They hold all the truth. They are so truthful, they can change “R” to “D.”

Monitum: They alone bestow the truth upon those who they decide are qualifiedly diverse. Well, I certainly ain’t that. So there goes the alumni, and the neighborhood.

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  1. KentForrester Coolidge
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    James Madison (View Comment):
    We know that there are at least 47 genders according to last known estimates.

    With more being discovered all the time. There was a flyer on the subway for some LGBTQWERTY….. alliance group or other. It featured two people one a “non-binary pansexual” and one “lesbian Demi-girl”. Does that make 49 total or are they already in the 47?

    I don’t know about you, but I would like to see a sex act between a non-binary pansexual and a lesbian Demi-girl.  I would think they would get confused every so often. 

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  2. DonG Coolidge
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    I thought Harvard had two categories for admissions: (1) those who have a “friend” donate $20M to the school, and (2) everyone else.  That is a type of diversity.

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  3. J. D. Fitzpatrick Member
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    Everyone who is making heavy weather of the fact that Asians supposedly have to score 140 points higher on the SAT to get into top colleges is being confused by a misuse of statistics.

    The problem is not that Asians “have to score higher.” The problem is that Asians who apply to Harvard have an unfortunate tendency to make themselves ALL LOOK THE SAME. 

    The same summer camps (math and science). The same competitions (science). The same activities (music, performed in a fair to middling manner). The same values (work hard, respect family, follow the rules).  

    I know this because I tutor Asians in Silicon Valley. I have to constantly tell them that if they want admission to Ivy U, they must make themselves stand out from the crowd. 

    Their parents ignore me. They are convinced that they and their friends from China know the American college system better than other American. And so they do what their friends from China do: pump up their SAT scores, engage in the same activities, etc. etc. 

    Now, these applicants HAPPEN to be Asian. But that’s not why they are getting turned down. They are getting turned down because colleges do not want 40% of their student population to have met each other at the same summer camps in Silicon Valley.  

    I don’t know what fallacy is going on here—something about confusing the part with the whole perhaps. 

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  4. dnewlander Inactive
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    Mendel (View Comment):

    And to stave off the inevitable objection, I am well aware that Harvard, like nearly every other institution of higher education (save of course Hillsdale), is the recipient of copious amounts of federal funding and thus subject to our official policies of non-discrimination.

    This is of course correct. But it’s also barking up the wrong tree. There is no lawsuit or Supreme Court ruling against Harvard that could be as powerful as thousands of employers telling themselves “you know what? Our Carnegie Mellon grads are much more useful to our company than our Harvard grads – and much less pompous to boot.

    Absolutely true on both counts. ;)

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  5. TBA Coolidge
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    Maybe they should just cut out the middleman – no more non-legacy whites, leaving extra room for minorities who under-perform and over-perform. 

    It would be the ultimate act of PC self-immolation. “look, ma, no privilege!” 

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  6. MarciN Member
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    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):

    Everyone who is making heavy weather of the fact that Asians supposedly have to score 140 points higher on the SAT to get into top colleges is being confused by a misuse of statistics.

    The problem is not that Asians “have to score higher.” The problem is that Asians who apply to Harvard have an unfortunate tendency to make themselves ALL LOOK THE SAME.

    The same summer camps (math and science). The same competitions (science). The same activities (music, performed in a fair to middling manner). The same values (work hard, respect family, follow the rules).

    I know this because I tutor Asians in Silicon Valley. I have to constantly tell them that if they want admission to Ivy U, they must make themselves stand out from the crowd.

    Their parents ignore me. They are convinced that they and their friends from China know the American college system better than other American. And so they do what their friends from China do: pump up their SAT scores, engage in the same activities, etc. etc.

    Now, these applicants HAPPEN to be Asian. But that’s not why they are getting turned down. They are getting turned down because colleges do not want 40% of their student population to have met each other at the same summer camps in Silicon Valley.

    I don’t know what fallacy is going on here—something about confusing the part with the whole perhaps.

    I know this is true. Very astute comment. I used to tell the music students to study the bassoon. And learn some obscure foreign language. Be interesting.

    If Harvard is discriminating against Asians, I am pretty sure it isn’t because they don’t like them. Harvard’s Asian studies program is one of the oldest among American universities in our country. The academic friendships that have existed among Chinese, Japanese, and Harvard academics are legendary.

    And Chinese students make up a large percentage of Harvard’s graduate schools.

    This will be an interesting case. I’m guessing it will really shake up the relationship between the Ivies and the federal government. The Ivies will probably come to Harvard’s aid because they are dealing with these same impossible quotas.

    Perhaps this will put an end to affirmative action, which should have died a quiet death twenty-five years ago.

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  7. MarciN Member
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    Most people have probably forgotten this story, but it is funny, given how things turned out.

    President George H. W. Bush and his Justice Department sued all of the seven Ivies and MIT years ago. They accused the Ivies and MIT of informing each other about the high-achieving scholarship students. The schools would sort these students out, and each school would pick the student it wanted. That student got one offer–one financial aid package.

    President Bush said the Ivies were in a sense “price fixing”–denying the students the opportunity to shop for the best deal. President Bush won.

    The Ivies were mad.

    Enter Bill Clinton soon afterward. He got a hero’s welcome in Cambridge. He wasn’t very smart, but they applauded him wildly anyway. Too funny. :-)

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  8. M. Brandon Godbey Member
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    I have lived long enough to see Harvard University give a robust defense of state sanctioned racism.  Evidently, in modern America, you can be a walking monument to the KKK as long as you say “diversity” while you do it.  

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  9. Mendel Inactive
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    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):

    The problem is not that Asians “have to score higher.” The problem is that Asians who apply to Harvard have an unfortunate tendency to make themselves ALL LOOK THE SAME.

    The same summer camps (math and science). The same competitions (science). The same activities (music, performed in a fair to middling manner). The same values (work hard, respect family, follow the rules).

    I know this because I tutor Asians in Silicon Valley. I have to constantly tell them that if they want admission to Ivy U, they must make themselves stand out from the crowd.

    So true.

    I’m of two minds on this. On the one hand, I’ve noticed a sense of entitlement among some Asian families – the notion that their child deserves to go to Harvard because he or she checks off some list of boxes. In some cases, it’s not too far from the same sense of entitlement that Hillary Clinton had about the presidency: “I held the right jobs for the right amount of time, I had the right political positions, I did my homework, now it’s my turn to be in the highest political office/college in the world!”

    On the other hand, the reason many of the kids you describe aren’t getting in to their preferred colleges is simply because they can’t game the system as well as their (white) neighbors who have been in the US longer and have their ears pinned to the college admission rumor mill. For example, the parents who figure out that paying for your child to go on a volun-safari in Africa or arrange for them to work in the local soup kitchen is the new admission hotness. That’s also not just by any means, even if it has nothing to do with actual racial quotas.

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  10. Mendel Inactive
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    One point that the plaintiffs here (and perhaps some on this thread) seem to be missing is that Harvard is under no obligation to accept only the most academically talented students. Indeed, they would be well within their rights to decide they only want people of above-average but not stellar academic potential and exclude people whose SAT scores are too high.

    While that probably won’t come to pass, the fact that the plaintiffs seem to be focusing so much on SAT scores means that if this lawsuit gets anywhere, one of the first things Harvard likely will do is completely eliminate standardized test scores from their application process. Which would have the ironic consequence of hurting future Asian candidates by tossing out what is often the strongest part of their applications.

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  11. Freesmith Member
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    James Madison (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Faust only said diverse or diversity six times in the letter. Surely he can do better.

    Dr, Faust is a woman. She is excellent in so many ways. I hope she does not object to my identification of her as a “she.”

    But this letter comes off as overly defensive (number of times “diversity” is used). Harvard, like many institutions has created a sort of double-speak. They now inhabit another universe. I actually feel sorry for their predicament. They have become the antithesis of what they set out to be, truthful.

    It’s not another universe. It’s simply not of this nation.

    You and @hoyacon noted the number of times Drew Faust used the words diverse or diversity. That’s because you are in retreat. You’re measuring the size and power of the enemy’s big gun, which they’ve used to win all the battles in the past 40 years.

    I note that other than when it was once used combined with the prefix “Asian,” the word “American” was never used in Dr. Faust’s letter.

    That’s because she is no longer an American. She’s given that up. She is a trans-nationalist citizen of the world.

    In spite of her excellent book about how the Civil War changed the way Americans thought about death, Dr. Faust can now just as easily be the head of a global corporation, on the board of an international NGO or be simply a functionary of the European Union.

    Her ideas no longer reflect American experience, laws, customs, mores, traditions or history. They are alien to the historic American nation.

    What her ideas do reflect are precisely those that are preached today from the boardrooms and Human Resources Departments of every Fortune 500 Corporation.

    Harvard and Exxon-Mobil are 100% congruent in that regard, aren’t they?

    So who do you think is calling the tune – Drew Faust?

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  12. MarciN Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):

    One point that the plaintiffs here (and perhaps some on this thread) seem to be missing is that Harvard is under no obligation to accept only the most academically talented students. Indeed, they would be well within their rights to decide they only want people of above-average but not stellar academic potential and exclude people whose SAT scores are too high.

    While that probably won’t come to pass, the fact that the plaintiffs seem to be focusing so much on SAT scores means that if this lawsuit gets anywhere, one of the first things Harvard likely will do is completely eliminate standardized test scores from their application process. Which would have the ironic consequence of hurting future Asian candidates by tossing out what is often the strongest part of their applications.

    Interesting. I was thinking about this aspect of this case last night. I would be surprised if Harvard did not say, “We don’t rely on these scores heavily anyway.” Although they have maintained this position publicly for years, in my head, it just makes sense to screen the 42,000 applicants they get each year using SAT scores.

    But this is where the plaintiffs will be able to make their case–if they have found evidence in writing in some way that the policy even exists, Harvard won’t be able to defend itself on the basis that the admissions committee didn’t use it.

    This is the way discrimination suits play out now. If the standard exists and if Asians were rejected, that’s all it takes. It does not need to be established that they were actually rejected because of their SAT scores.

    I hope and pray this is the end of the quota system for admissions. Not even Harvard–whose law school graduates probably wrote these laws–can make these formulas work.

    Harvard invented the SAT as a scholarship test in the first place. They know that discriminating against minority groups is not in their intellectual best interest. The diversity of their student body has a source of institutional pride for generations. They like to tell their incoming first-year students that they expect them to learn as much from each other as they do from the faculty.

    The best outcome would be that the quotas be scrapped for every college and university in the United States.

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  13. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    Mendel (View Comment):

    Doug Kimball (View Comment):
    There is no way to remove bias from these institutions except through the courts.

    I disagree. There are two much simpler alternatives: don’t let your talented kids apply to Harvard, and don’t automatically put job candidates with a Harvard degree on the short list when hiring.

    By far the most important resource Harvard has is its cachet. It’s sterling reputation is what ensures that its graduates get hired, that donations keep rolling in, and that the most talented high school seniors keep applying. The actual quality of an undergraduate education at Harvard is not objectively superior to that of the other schools that these rejected Asian-Americans will be attending.

    The simplest and most powerful way (albeit fiendishly difficult) to stop this tide of overt racism is for Harvard to lose its position as the official crown jewel of the American education system. And the easiest way for that to happen is for people to recognize that the quality of its graduates is no better than the quality of graduates from its near-peers or even much lower-tier schools.

    Yet too many conservatives seem to take the view that legal action is much better than simply viewing Harvard as one competitor among many in an incredibly broad and cutthroat market for higher education. Indeed, viewing lawsuits as the best tool to wield against Harvard actually recognizes and entrenches its position at the top. Better to simply show them the back of your hand.

    So, you are telling me to discriminate…  Not hard really.  I went to Dartmouth.  We have no love for that place in Cambridge or anyone associated with it.

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