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Regarding President Trump, there are currently several divisions on the Right. While not including everybody, these probably cover most:
Because in politics winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.
Jamie, what ‘yes’ are you referring to?
Trump has had everything stacked against him, in many cases from within his own party and yet he’s still winning. Whatever your opinion of the man, it’s quite a lesson in tenacity.
We’re having Michael Walsh back on this weekend. His latest article shows just how unlikely Trump’s policy wins have been.
Michael Walsh is really smart.
It matters what you’re winning and one should never sacrifice the long term for short term gains.
Afternoon Dave,
Thanks for your responses to so many of our folks commenting, your engagement with us makes life on ricochet fun.
What are the threats to our liberty? From “The Intimidation Game”, Strassel; let’s remember what happened to Catherine Engelbrecht of the King Street Patriots, “At the beginning of 2011 the IRS showed up to audit two years’ worth of business taxes.”….”the FBI would contact Engelbrecht six times—-four phone calls and two personal visits.””the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms showed up for an audit”…OSHA came for an audit in July and “sent Engelbrecht Manufcturing a $25,000 fine”….”In November, the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality arrived for an audit”
As the the IRS story heated up Obama called for a DOJ investigation. Again quoting from Strassel; ‘…FBI director Robert Mueller appeared before Congress. Mueller was flummoxed by even the most straightforward questions about the status of his so-called investigation. He didn’t know how many people had been interviewed. He didn’t know how may agents were working the case. He didn’t know who was the lead investigator.”
So here we have a political small fish, not much different than the folks here at Ricochet, yet Engelbrecht was ground under by the govt because she was on the wrong team. Look what they did to her and still some say Trump is scary. What was the response in 2011 by the Kristols, Jonahs, Hayes, Dr.Ks? Nothing. It is so bad that one of our Ricochet pod casters during the election said that he was worried that Trump would weaponize the govt, and yet when it had been done not a word of worry.
So here we are with the FBI and former intelligence folks trying to nullify the election and what are our wise thinkers worried over, Trump’s tweets. Many conservative writers are wise in their own eyes, and we/me the deplorables are confused and hoodwinked by Trump. Well it is good to know who your allies are. This use of the govt to muzzle conservatives is our greatest danger, it covers all departments including the EPA, State, not anything Trump can do.
This is contingent on one’s current views of our structural problems and the political system. The left is very good at keeping the ground they take, and they don’t care how they take it.
Dave, many of us who still criticize the president do so for reason beyond momentary policy gains. Unfortunately other than tax reform most of Trumps wins, great wins, have been by reshaping executive priorities. As Pres. Obama has shown us those gains are easily swept away by the next administration. Like Obama, Trump has failed to marshall his own party in congress and drive them toward an agenda. He either lacks the desire or the skill to do it – I don’t know which. Couple this with a public persona that makes it harder for his own party to side with him and turns off entire generations of voters and makes the long term prospects of these good policies look grim. Yes the deck is stacked against him, but he makes it even worse with his behavior and incessant tweeting. Despite what people here say these things matter.
@jimbeck Perfect. Great post.
He lacks the skill. No civic experience, ever. If the GOP had any brains they would see this and help him.
Catherine joined us for a shorter episode late last year. Fantastic guest.
http://ricochet.com/tag/catherine-englebrecht/
I don’t disagree with any of this, although one can argue his tweeting and unconventional methods may be why things have been working so well on the larger stage.
I don’t understand either the 1s or the 4s. No president is perfect and none so far (knock wood) has been Hitler. All I’ve ever seen make sense is to call balls and strikes and to declare victory if there are more of the former than the latter.
You may be right. I think it’s probably offsetting.
That’s where I can cut the number 1’s a little slack. I’m not a neutral observer. I care who wins. Politics is a team sport, and it’s helpful to cheer on your guy even if you didn’t pick him and even if he sometimes swings at pitches outside the strike zone.
Yeah but you still call him a bum when he does.
I didn’t say undying loyalty. Why do people always add hyperbolic superlatives to what I say? I also didn’t say anything needs to change since 2016.
Sussman. For. The. Win.
Ah, but the value of any oracle, conservative or otherwise, is foresight, not hindsight. Without admitting they should have voted for him, they are just another ankle-biter in hindsight. Any excuse for not voting for him means they have not corrected their powers of prediction, and are therefore useless as an oracle. Making their commentary no better than the applause or condemnation from the John Q. Public reading their work.
This! Thank you, Jim!
I think the big reveal for me has been how little I need to listen to the predictions. Toto has pulled back the curtain, so to speak.
Because the only thing they’ve brought to the battle is an army of straw men.
Fans, sure. Teammates, I hope not.
Can’t argue with your well-made point. Perhaps Dave’s original point might have been stated with more nuance, but I don’t think he was being genuinely exclusive. I think he was referring to what each group holds in higher esteem.
So you said you’ve been talking about loyalty since 2016. That suggests something changed then, but you didn’t say what. Then you spoke about transactional support, suggesting that support for Trump shouldn’t be transactional. I’ll concede that there’s room between transactional loyalty and undying loyalty, but you didn’t exactly spell it out. So now we’ve got it bracketed. Transactional loyalty isn’t enough, and undying loyalty is too much. Where do you suggest we set the bar?
Ed, I wouldn’t say this is true of you, but there seem to be many Trump loyalists who respond to any criticism of Trump with accusations of “NeverTrumper!” and “disloyal!” That suggests (to me, at least) that those people demand absolute loyalty to Trump – no criticism allowed. Now if those folks want to tell me that I am taking their position too literally and that they should not have to preface every remark with a lot of disclaimers and limitations, that’s fair. But, on the other hand, those of us who sometimes criticize Trump also should not have to preface every remark with a lot of disclaimers and limitations (e.g., “I’m just calling balls and strikes.”).
I think the number of people who fall in category #1 of the OP is pretty small, but I think the number of people who fall in category #4 is even smaller. Those people who talk about #4 as if it was some massive barbarian hoard that requires constant berating are, in my humble opinion, very far off base. As I have said before, I think you can count the number of #4’s who comment here on Ricochet on your thumbs, and probably have one hand left over. Why do we need dozens (probably hundreds) of posts hysterically decrying the great danger posed by “NeverTrumpers”?
“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty!”
Eternal vigilance for things that don’t exist is the price of paranoia.
Extremism is defense of Trump is no vice, or something like that.
We aren’t talking about loyalty to Trump. We’re talking about loyalty to our side, loyalty to the cause of uniting against the Left. Never in our history has this been more important. Everyone is just so prickly right now. We’re talking past each other. Speaking for myself, I’m no fan of the man as an individual. All of you need to get it through your heads that we see him the same way you do. We know he’s a boor. We know he’s crude and crass. We get it and we don’t care, because we see the Big Picture and it looks to us like you guys don’t.
When some of you talk as if the reason we don’t care is that we were raised by wolves or our parents are first cousins or we just aren’t as well bred as you, we get annoyed.
The Democrats have been commandeered by forces of the Left that all too few, even among the Democrats who are being their Useful Idiots, seem to understand. This is no time for any of us to be showing off our punctilious sensibilities to etiquette and Good Manners. Get over that and get behind the president whether you’d invite him over for dinner or not. There’s a lot more at stake than making everyone aware of your discerning tastes.
The Democrats circled the wagons around a disgusting dirty old man getting blow jobs in the Oval Office. They’d do the same even if he’d been caught in bed with a boy and a German Shepherd. But we can’t even unite around a man who has done more for the country and for Conservatism than anyone in the last 40 years. Sorry but I do not get it.
This has nothing to do with paranoia. It has to do with knowing who has your back in a fight, and who will quickly turn and give the enemy an assist.