What Tomi Lahren Gets Wrong on Immigration

 

In a widely shared clip from a Fox News appearance over the weekend, Tomi Lahren showcased just how little she understands how this country was built:

My friend Brooke had exactly the right take:

https://twitter.com/bkerogers/status/995806378043367424

Lahren’s statement doesn’t just display an ignorance of American history, but also a total disregard for the work previous generations have done with genealogy. Thanks to the power of the Internet, it’s easier than ever before to do genealogical research. A subscription to Ancestry.com opens up a trove of documents from all over the world; painstakingly scanned and transcribed.

Over the years, I’ve delved into this world, and unfortunately find that I am the youngest person in the room at genealogy events by about two generations. As with many trades and skills, genealogy is one of those hobbies that millennials have no interest in taking up.

When I began researching my own family, I only knew my grandparents’ names on both sides of my family, and the name of one great-grandmother. Thanks to Ancestry and a few hundred dollars spent ordering death and marriage certificates from the archives in New York City, I’ve learned an incredible amount about my family’s origins.

The investigation has come with some fascinating discoveries: after a great aunt died, her widower married his sister-in-law. These second cousins saw their aunt turn into their step-mother overnight. Also uncovered was an infant brother of my grandmother’s, buried in the family plot without a headstone or marker of any kind. That discovery was made a few weeks after the birth of my second child, and we discovered this long-lost great uncle who never saw past his first week had the same name as our new son.

What has been most personally enriching is really understanding how much the history I already knew affected my family personally. It’s one thing to intellectually know that the graves and documents belonging to European Jewry was destroyed; it’s quite another to run into a brick wall because of it. While on my mother’s side I was able to easily reach back as far as eight generations thanks to the documents on Ancestry and the work done on the site by long-lost distant cousins; I was barely able to reach back two generations on my father’s. I was able to learn the names of the relatives who made it to America, and sometimes those of their parents if their names were listed on death certificates, but nothing else.

The most humbling part of doing this research has been seeing just how little my family had in terms of money, education, and expertise upon their arrival here. The first relative of mine to arrive here did so 12 years before he died, and managed to bring over all of his adult children before dying. What I know of him is from the 1900 census: he was a tailor from Austria, spoke no English, and could not read or write. His children would be able to learn how to read and write according to later censuses, but they too would work in menial jobs and live in rented homes, bouncing around New York City over the course of their lifetimes. It doesn’t seem as though my great-grandparents were even able to afford to be buried together in the same cemetery (I’ve been thus far unable to locate my great-grandmother, though I am reasonably certain she is buried in the same location as her husband).

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  1. Jamie Lockett Member
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    They call me PJ Boy or they ca… (View Comment):

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Before I have to leave for the day, I’d like to explain my position. Islam is not a race; it’s a religious satanic warrior cult and political ideology of conquest. The political can be separated neither from the religious, nor the conquest. That is why I don’t want it in my country. Redact away, but please don’t redact the context of my statement.

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    *eyeroll* :)

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  2. Concretevol Thatcher
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    cdor (View Comment):

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    Concretevol (View Comment):
    we theoretically already have a moratorium on illegal immigration

    Sure we do. Theoretically. Practically? Not so much.

    If we actually had an immigration policy with enforcement and border protection, then we could allow for companies such as @concretevol ‘s to apply for workers with special work permits to perform those jobs which he can not adequately fill with US citizen labor. That is a rational policy, What we have now is suicidal. However, when Concretovol says he needs that labor to build his projects or pour his foundations or whatever…well, I believe him.

    Yeah I’m in agreement with you here.  I’m totally in favor of border enforcement etc….also maybe we could think about keeping track of people once they enter the country.  Right now what we have is a political mess, but I don’t think a lot will change.  Everyone has stakes in the extreme positions instead of something like what you describe above.  

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  3. Concretevol Thatcher
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    AltarGirl (View Comment):

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    I would want a 5 year moratorium s

    Cool, just don’t plan on much if any new construction during those 5 years. Call me when it’s over. I’ll be at my new bar near a beach somewhere instead of trying to build things stuff.

    Right. Because only illegals can build things right?

    I didnt say illegals did I, nice strawman arguement you have there. I was talking about an immigration moratorium, we theoretically already have a moratorium on illegal immigration

    Your comment was insulting. And projection. Just because you don’t know how to build squat doesn’t mean the rest of us will sit around twiddling our thumbs.

    @AltarGirl What did I say that was insulting? I will admit my initial comment was a little flippant but I didn’t mean to insult anyone. Also, who are you saying doesn’t “know how to build squat”? lol

    It is the same trope of “jobs Americans won’t do” that I found offensive.

    I’m sorry if I offended you, that was not my intent.  What you call “trope” is pretty much reality but you can choose not to believe it.  

    Why won’t Americans do them, but immigrants do? Is their a cost differential between immigrants and natives? Not on how much you pay or can afford to pay, but can THEY afford to work for that amount?

    Some Americans will do them, some won’t.  It’s an entire post to describe the many motivations for some American citizens would rather work lower paying jobs or not at all.  All I can tell you is pay isn’t one of them.  

    I was unaware of your work.

    Yeah I build a lot of stuff….that’s why I didn’t understand your comment. 

    My family likes to do our own work as much as possible. My brother built my parents’ patio.

    That’s awesome, good for them!

    My yard service guy is a white man whose mother is an admin at my kid’s schools. He has white guys working for him.

    I have white guys working for me too….and black guys, and mexican guys, and panamanian guys, and one Iraqi guy.  Several women too actually!

    Americans would work. But why are we not entitled to jobs, but you are entitled to employees? Maybe if you did sit around and not do anything, new businesses might figure out how to do it without immigrants just to do the work that isn’t getting done anymore.

    Some Americans won’t work, that’s their right.  Some will and that’s awesome.  No I’m not “entitled” to employees and I’m not sure what that even means.  Since I’m not entitled to them I shouldn’t try to hire any more??   One thing that definitely will happen if I sit around and don’t do anything, my current employees will lose their jobs, not be able to pay their bills and take care of their families so I guess I won’t try your idea yet. 

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  4. AltarGirl Member
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    Concretevol (View Comment):
    Since I’m not entitled to them I shouldn’t try to hire any more??

    When people (business owners here) say we aren’t entitled to a job, they mean we need to compete for the work. We have to make ourselves more attractive. (I don’t disagree)

    That’s what I was commenting on.

    The implication that they should be allowed to hire from a global workforce rather than compete for labor is that they are more entitled to labor than workers are to a job. They don’t have to compete for local labor. I do know welfare is a hard thing to compete against.

    Most American workers can’t compete in a global market, even if they wanted to. Most places aren’t quite so open to immigration as America is. My brother, in Australia, couldn’t get a work permit when he moved there to get married.

    The whole thing is a mess. I know it’s not just business owners’ fault. I do think people with the money to lobby for change lack the same incentives that people on welfare lack – there is a quick fix available, so why rock the boat?

    But I think it is not emotionally or mentally healthy for people to not be productive and the current status quo needs to change.

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    AltarGirl (View Comment):
    Most American workers can’t compete in a global market, even if they wanted to.

    The Fed and every level of government is making this way worse than it has to be.

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  6. MarciN Member
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    jeannebodine (View Comment):
    I stayed in this home “too late” in order to care for my elderly mother who lived 3 minutes away. She died in 2014, the same year my husband was diagnosed with a condition that precludes us from moving into a retirement community.

    Your comment has been on my mind since I read it. What a terrible fix to be in.

    In my town in Massachusetts, taxpayers can file for reduced property taxes or rebates for “hardship.” It’s pretty easy to do. You might be able to get that bill reduced considerably.

     

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  7. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    It’s interesting how each wave of immigrants are viewed as the death nell of liberty and the American way, and in hindsight they are viewed as good and worthwhile, and yet, every new generation seems to succumb to the same affliction.

    “This time it’s obviously different.”

    I’m sure that’s exactly what people thought during those previous waves, yet, it doesn’t seem to give anyone pause…

    Every generation wants to protect what it has at the expense of “outsiders”.

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    snip each wave of immigrants are viewed as the death knell of liberty and the American way, snip they are viewed as good&worthwhile, snip

    every new generation seems to succumb to the same affliction.

    “This time it’s obviously different.”

    I’m sure that’s exactly what people thought during those previous waves, yet, it doesn’t seem to give anyone pause…

    Every generation wants to protect what it has at the expense of “outsiders”.

    Part of the difference is this one: earlier generations of immigrants did not come to the country, walk into a Social Services office of the local county Health and Human Services then leave said office with food stamps, housing vouchers, AFDC checks and more. And everyone telling them “No need to learn English – that would inconvenience you and hurt your brain. Far better that we learn Spanish.”

    In 1987, Calif voters took to the polling booths, stipulating  according to Prop 187 that such practices were not good. Yet one of Jerry Brown’s buddies in the Calif Supreme Court overturned the voters’ decision. So the state has something like a one trillion dollar amount of red ink. (Which is only thought about by those  depending on CalPers for their retirement monies.) Our schools here are in the toilet. The job situation is dire also. To get a job with County of Marin, my spouse had his Masters’ degree, to out-compete latinas with one year of college.  If you go to work feeling sluggish, some hispanic co-worker reports you for the “dirty looks” you passed her way. Ask @annefy about her son the soccer coach and how the Left ate him over his “racism.”

    USA’s legal acceptance is around 1.1 million a year. (the number of people who each year are naturalized as citizens.) Far more than other nations take in. Two million plus undocumented hispanics live in Calif. Although the Left promotes: Trump is Hitler! – that is hardly true. Anyone who wishes to sponsor an immigrant family to be their back up, so they don’t hit the welfare rolls, would be given Trump’s blessing. But tens of 1,000’s of people now are  marching in the streets, signalling virtue. Their demand is that the public pay all the expenses that are commensurate with the new arrivals. They love to march, but could care less about paying the taxes.

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  8. J Climacus Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

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    It’s interesting how each wave of immigrants are viewed as the death nell of liberty and the American way, and in hindsight they are viewed as good and worthwhile, and yet, every new generation seems to succumb to the same affliction.

    “This time it’s obviously different.”

    I’m sure that’s exactly what people thought during those previous waves, yet, it doesn’t seem to give anyone pause…

    Every generation wants to protect what it has at the expense of “outsiders”.

    And they are always wrong to think so?

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  9. Mike H Inactive
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    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Mike H (View Comment):

    It’s interesting how each wave of immigrants are viewed as the death nell of liberty and the American way, and in hindsight they are viewed as good and worthwhile, and yet, every new generation seems to succumb to the same affliction.

    “This time it’s obviously different.”

    I’m sure that’s exactly what people thought during those previous waves, yet, it doesn’t seem to give anyone pause…

    Every generation wants to protect what it has at the expense of “outsiders”.

    And they are always wrong to think so?

    Absolutes are almost never true. Just most of the time.

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  10. CarolJoy Coolidge
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    Mike H (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

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    Mike H (View Comment):

    It’s interesting how each wave of immigrants are viewed as the death nell of liberty and the American way, and in hindsight they are viewed as good and worthwhile, and yet, every new generation seems to succumb to the same affliction.

    “This time it’s obviously different.”

    I’m sure that’s exactly what people thought during those previous waves, yet, it doesn’t seem to give anyone pause…

    Every generation wants to protect what it has at the expense of “outsiders”.

    And they are always wrong to think so?

    Absolutes are almost never true. Just most of the time.

    So your insight on absolutes cuts both ways. The absolute now in existence in Calif is that accepting any and all immigrants is the only way to prove you as an individual are for “diversity” and not a White Supremacist certainly is not a helpful situation, nor does it uphold truth.
    Nor is the reverse true either. However the US has proven over and over again that it has no ability to find a working strategy that is somewhere in the middle. The pendulum swings only totally one way or totally  the other.

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