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I suppose that is different from consensual physical violence. Although I must admit it is the rare woman (zero to date) who has asked me to beat the crap out of her.
I made that point about 50 Shades, peddling what is mostly fantasy, although there certainly is a BDSM subculture, and that has been celebrated as “transgressive” going back to at least Mapplethorpe (no possible CoC compliant link).
Sorry, where did you make that point? Don’t doubt you for one second, just that I did not see it.
Ah, I see. Assumed knowledge of the talk around 50 Shades. I’ll make it clear.
This club shows how women are the guardians of sex.
*So let’s see if I got this right. Womyn that competed to belong to an exclusive BDSM club are upset because somebody BDSMed them?
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse
You beat me to it, Clifford.
I love seeing these phony boys fall from grace.
Maybe he can share an apartment with Elliot Spitzer. It would be Spitzer and Hits-her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krfEcvBfUY4&list=RDkrfEcvBfUY4&start_radio=1
From 1973 through 2008, nine surveys of women’s rape fantasies have been published. They show that about four in 10 women admit having them (31 to 57 percent) with a median frequency of about once a month. Actual prevalence of rape fantasies is probably higher because women may not feel comfortable admitting them.
Of course there’s a huge difference between fantasy and reality….
I know it was a big deal with runaway sells, but I don’t know who stole my life story and gave it to the author.
Given my highly limited jaunt through BDSM books at the height of 50 Shades popularity, BDSM violence is highly ritualistic and includes permission and safe words.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the push for step by step consent in normal sexual relations between average couples took its model from BDSM culture.
So I think that even in BDSM enthusiasts, Schneiderman engaging in rage induced violence without permission or safe words is in that realm of non-consensual.
Personally, I think sexual immorality is a beast, that once engaged, engorges itself and leads the practitioner to consider ever more illicit ways to get that gratification. The further in you go, the deeper you want to go. The book or two I read on BDSM, in their apologetic way, implicitly acknowledge this demon and describe highly disciplined boundaries in BDSM culture to avoid crossing those lines. I’m not inclined to believe that is the case in actual practice.
Lordy. No wonder so many women on the Left are misandrists! Are all the men on their side freakazoids?
It certainly is not a 50 Shades-fueled phenomenon. In 1981 more Americans watched the fictional wedding of a rapist and his victim than watched Prince Charles and Lady Diana tie the knot in real life. The Luke and Laura storyline on the soap General Hospital is legendary in broadcast history. The “rape-turned-romance” even had its own hit single, Rise by Herb Alpert. (The 2nd and last of his #1 charted singles in the US.)
The story was pushed by GH executive producer Gloria Monty, although she claims she “softened” it from its original writing and blocking. By the time she passed in 2006 she had completely rationalized it. “We prefer to call it a choreographed seduction.”
As for Schneiderman, he probably felt he was 10-foot tall and bulletproof. Because Robert Mueller was moving too slow for Marxists, the NY AG was being touted as the real savior. Samantha Bee did a glowing piece on him on her TBS show and Politico ran a story headlined “Will This Man Take Down Donald Trump?” (My guess is the answer is “no.”)
Perhaps this will be their ‘Gary Hart’ moment. The media gleefully sunk Gary Hart and his Presidential aspirations back in 1987(88?). That resulted in A Mike Dukakis Dem candidacy and the election of George H Bush. After that, it’s clear that the media said “never again” and turned a blind eye to anything and everything untoward that Bill Clinton ever did.
If they see the Metoo thing getting in the way of getting Trump, that could happen again.
How much of this is borne from a fundamental misunderstanding of marital relations and rape brought to us by Feminism?
Hear me out – women are told that any and all unwanted sex is rape. But is it? Not all unwanted sex is non-concensual. I’d be hard pressed to say the girl who sold her body for a meal or shelter really actually wanted it.
Not all sex in marriage is wanted. Especially in arranged marriages, early sexual relations between arranged couples might be unwanted and done out of a sense of duty.
With the conflation of rape and unwanted sex, those sexual experiences take on a violent aspect that isn’t actually present in reality.
So rather than the romanticism of an arranged marriage that starts with unwanted sex and blossoms into love, you get a rape fantasy a la Danaerys and Drogo in Game of Thrones (arranged marriage, wedding night portrayed as rape, Dany falling in love).
Oh, I think the following video deserves a place on this thread! It isn’t really about abortion, despite the title:
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[Why doesn’t just pasting the YouTube link work anymore?]
But, Bryan, everyone always knew this. How dare you repeat this hate fact.
The only “women’s” issue that matters to the progressive left is unfettered access to abortion. How convenient to support something which they think will erase the visible consequences of their perverted behavior. I was astounded at the women in the New Yorker article who basically put up with his behavior because of his politics. I wonder if he will be prosecuted under the strangulation law he championed. Paging Dr. Freud.
As a side note, don’t forget that someone in the Obama camp had Ryan’s sealed divorce records unsealed. The ends justify the means.
I was too. The actual assault victims usually seem to put politics aside. It’s the third parties, then, who excuse or ignore the behavior (see Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton). This is the first I’m aware of where the assault victims themselves gave the perp a pass due to his Progressive politics.
Rape is not sex. Rape is violence and an assault.
Many wives have acquiesced to their husband’s desires for sex even if they weren’t “in the mood.” While the extreme feminist calls that “rape,” few other women do. But if there’s physical assault, hitting, threats – even in marriage – that’s rape. We’ve come a long way since Rideout v Oregon.
Why would anyone be drawn to someone who physically abused them? Why would anyone think that would be the basis for romance?
I’m asking if the feminist portrayal of unwanted sexual relations common in arranged marriages and not unheard of in healthy, happy marriages as “rape” got twisted in the imaginations of women who enjoy such fantasies, who romanticize violent rape.
In other words, the slow language shift conflated multiple definitions – the old definition of rape that is intuitive (violent assault) is tangled up with the feminist definition of unwanted sex.
Another observation is women also overwhelmingly romanticize sex with strangers.
I just wonder if the original fantasy is stranger/arranged marriage/unwanted sex turned lovers that got perverted by Feminism claiming unwanted sex is rape… so now the fantasy is stranger/rape turned lovers.
I don’t really want to think too closely about how Trump might have insight into the seamy sexual histories of prominent NYC power brokers.
I can hear him now. “I am the only one who can fix this sexual swamp because I have …”
Going back at least to the Marquis de Sade, who lent his name to the BDSM acronym, and probably for thousands of years prior to that.
No, his prey were not part of such a subculture. They were all successful and politically progressive.
I do not understand why but I do know womyn that want, crave the violence as part of the relationship / sex ritual. As I got older I have come to the conclusion that everybody has a kink. Some are just more acceptable than others.
But oddly they fear the guys on the Right. Men that are more likely to respect them and treat them correctly.
Think you are overstating things a bit, but I always tell my single friends that if they want to find a marriage partner, join a dating service, but if you want ladies to propose to you become a notable serial killer.
I’m intrigued by the fact that Schneiderman–with these skeletons in his closet–can be so aggressive in terms of making enemies in his career. I haven’t read the article (I live in a Jane Mayer free zone), but I’m guessing there’s a degree of payback here from somebody.
It appears that he believed his solid progressive credentials would insulate him. When he allegedly started, he could look back at Bill Clinton and have reason to believe there was a successful strategy for using women, so long as you were seen as important to advancing the correct progressive politics. And it worked, until it didn’t. From the New Yorker account, he build up a critical mass of victims, who were able to connect in the New York progressive sphere, and who finally agreed to act after he became the public face of the top #MeToo prosecution.
Kimberly Guilfoyle knows for a fact that Schneiderman has more victims.