Please Tell Me How This Is Not Treason

 

Former Secretary of State John Kerry meets with Iranian Foreign Minister, using “shadow diplomacy” to prevent the failure of the “Iran Nuclear Deal”

Now, at last count, Iran was America’s sworn enemy. Its people regularly took to the streets to shout “Death to America!” This looks like providing aid and comfort to the enemy, which I believe is the definition of treason.

Oh, yes, and Mr. Kerry has also been found to be “coaching the Palestinians not to yield to Trump in peace talks.”  That may not be treason against the US, but it could be seen to be acting against our greatest ally in the Middle East, the State of Israel. Like the Clintons and the Lois Lerners in recent history in the US, Kerry will probably not suffer any consequences for this at the least subversive, and at the worst treasonable, behavior.

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  1. DHMorgan Inactive
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    I’m not sure about treason.  Collusion maybe.

    I can’t wait to watch the Sunday morning news programs when – count on it, YOU CAN MARK IT DOWN – a slew of Democratic congressmen will be shouting “collusion” over the airwaves.

    On second thought, I have something more important to do tomorrow.  Like attend a worship service.

    So I’ll have to depend on all of you to forward me the names of those brave government officials.

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  2. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    I don’t know if it’s treason, but it seems most odd that a former Secretary of State is negotiating an agreement with a foreign government without the consent of the president. Could this have Trump’s blessing?  Kerry has no authority unless Trump gave it to him, so why would anyone in Iran give him the time of day?

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  3. Stad Coolidge
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    Not treason, for the same reason none of Trump’s people are guilty of treason.

    Obama and Kerry may be guilty of gross stupidity if they were honestly fooled by the mullahs, or guilty of being dirtbag liberal scum if they knew the Iranians would keep working on their nukes, but acting as a duly elected government official is not treason.

    Even backdoor channels during and after an election by the not-yet-in-office officials shouldn’t be considered such either (this is where we need an Epstein/Yoo podcast weigh-in).

    What it does do however, is show the true nature of the Democrat party-who and what it supports (Islam and Iranian nukes) and who and what it doesn’t (Israel and American national security).  I believe this was one reason Trump won . . .

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  4. Scott Wilmot Member
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    John Kerry keeps intact his record of being on the wrong side of every foreign policy debate he has ever been a part of. And proves again that he is a fool and a treacherous person.

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  5. Unsk Member
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    If there is such a thing as a violation of the Logan Act, this is it. It may not fit all the prerequisites to qualify as treason, but collaborating with enemy to harm American  that it is.

    Where is our snoozing Attorney General Sessions?  He is supposed to “take care” to enforce our laws and defend the Constitution, not that he gives a damn.  Or will he, as he has in the past,  make some stupid statement like “his intentions were honorable” or some such crap and do nothing. 

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  6. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Maybe it’s time the Logan Act was finally enforced. In the meantime, take away his passport on national security grounds. Let him file a lawsuit and see where that leads.

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  7. Percival Thatcher
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    That appears to be a back channel to a hostile power.

    Revoke Kerry’s security clearance, if anyone had been fool enough to extend it. If so, revoke their security clearances too.

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  8. Quake Voter Inactive
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    If it weren’t for Clermont, Warren and Delaware counties, this solipsistic sack of treason would have become POTUS, with John Edwards a heartbeat away.  Alternative history from that point is an interesting bar conversation.

     

     

     

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  9. PHCheese Inactive
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    No!

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  10. DHMorgan Inactive
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    If there is such a thing as a violation of the Logan Act, this is it.

    Thanks.  I was searching for that but couldn’t remember the name.

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  11. Hoyacon Member
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    Treason is a very strong word, but this is a guy who seriously threw his fellow Vietnam Vets under the bus about 45 years ago.   He has a lot of practice in undermining his country.

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  12. Jamie Lockett Inactive
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    Seems like a fairly clear violation of the Logan Act. 

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  13. The Reticulator Member
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    That’s easy. Congress hasn’t declared war against Iran, so they aren’t officially our enemies.

    That doesn’t mean it isn’t reprehensible behavior for which John Kerry should be hounded from public life and his name be made a byword of reproach and warning to future generations.

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  14. James Gawron Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Seems like a fairly clear violation of the Logan Act.

    JL,

    Yes, quite so. Both the letter of the law and the spirit are clearly violated. Kerry is in need of serious restraint. He is literally entering unauthorized negotiations with foreign governments.

    Regards,

    Jim

     

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  15. Percival Thatcher
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    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Seems like a fairly clear violation of the Logan Act.

    JL,

    Yes, quite so. Both the letter of the law and the spirit are clearly violated. Kerry is in need of serious restraint. He is literally entering unauthorized negotiations with foreign governments.

    Regards,

    Jim

     

    Nobody has ever been convicted for violating the Logan Act. It is not even clear that the act is constitutional. But great significance was put on Trump or his minions developing nonstandard communication links with the Russians. How would it be different for Kerry to have done so, outside of the fact that he has no official government responsibilities?
     

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  16. Jamie Lockett Inactive
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    Percival (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Seems like a fairly clear violation of the Logan Act.

    JL,

    Yes, quite so. Both the letter of the law and the spirit are clearly violated. Kerry is in need of serious restraint. He is literally entering unauthorized negotiations with foreign governments.

    Regards,

    Jim

     

    Nobody has ever been convicted for violating the Logan Act. It is not even clear that the act is constitutional. But great significance was put on Trump or his minions developing nonstandard communication links with the Russians. How would it be different for Kerry to have done so, outside of the fact that he has no official government responsibilities?

    Good point. 

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  17. Unsk Member
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    Reticular: “That’s easy. Congress hasn’t declared war against Iran, so they aren’t officially our enemies.”

    We must be in a state of war for there to be treason. However, Iran declared War on us nearly 40 years ago and I don’t believe it has rescinded that declaration.  It has committed all sorts of hostile acts against us as well during that almost 40 year period.  It  really only takes one to tango in the war thing,  so perhaps it is treason after all. 

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  18. The Reticulator Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    Reticular: “That’s easy. Congress hasn’t declared war against Iran, so they aren’t officially our enemies.”

    We must be in a state of war for there to be treason. However, Iran declared War on us nearly 40 years ago and I don’t believe it has rescinded that declaration. It has committed all sorts of hostile acts against us as well during that almost 40 year period. It really only takes one to tango in the war thing, so perhaps it is treason after all.

    Democrats declared war on us a century ago. I recommend defeating them. But if you charge them with treason, you’ll just waste your time and energy on technical definitions.  

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  19. James Gawron Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Seems like a fairly clear violation of the Logan Act.

    JL,

    Yes, quite so. Both the letter of the law and the spirit are clearly violated. Kerry is in need of serious restraint. He is literally entering unauthorized negotiations with foreign governments.

    Regards,

    Jim

     

    Nobody has ever been convicted for violating the Logan Act. It is not even clear that the act is constitutional. But great significance was put on Trump or his minions developing nonstandard communication links with the Russians. How would it be different for Kerry to have done so, outside of the fact that he has no official government responsibilities?

    Good point.

    Sorry, guys,

    Having a few passing contacts with a variety of foreign government officials isn’t anything like what Kerry did. As I just said both the letter and the spirit of the Logan act were broken by Kerry’s actions. Kerry is literally conducting unauthorized American foreign policy negotiations over a major US treaty. The President of the United States did not ask John Kerry to renegotiate the so-called Iran Deal. That is exactly what this bastard is doing.

    Regards,

    Jim

     

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  20. Western Chauvinist Member
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    James Gawron (View Comment):
    The President of the United States did not ask John Kerry to renegotiate the so-called Iran Deal.

    Oh, I think *a* president asked Kerry to do whatever he could to preserve the Iran Deal –just not the current one. All these (Democrat) bastards are complicit.

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  21. Miffed White Male Member
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    James Gawron (View Comment):
    Kerry is literally conducting unauthorized American foreign policy negotiations over a major US treaty.

    technically it’s not a treaty.  At least it’s never been ratified by a 2/3rds vote of the Senate.

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  22. James Gawron Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):
    Kerry is literally conducting unauthorized American foreign policy negotiations over a major US treaty.

    technically it’s not a treaty. At least it’s never been ratified by a 2/3rds vote of the Senate.

    Miffed,

    I’d disagree. Technically in every way, this is a major arms control treaty. Only in dark and weird places like Bob Corker’s brain is this not considered a treaty. If the Obama administration said that a cow was a house cat the MSM wouldn’t question it. The cow would stink to high heaven in your apartment but the MSM wouldn’t question it.

    Not only has it not been ratified by a 2/3rds vote of the Senate but I don’t think Iran ever signed it. Perhaps we could convince Kerry to renounce his American citizenship and just stay in Tehran. Actually, Kerry could just announce that from now on he was a citizen of the world. Either way, it would be appropriate not to let him back into the country. That would be the first identifiable benefit to US interests that the “Iran Deal” has provided.

    Regards,

    Jim

     

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  23. Concretevol Thatcher
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    John Kerry is a genuinely stupid individual.  Our nation really dodged a bullet not electing that guy as president.  Says a lot that the dems nominated such an ignoramus.  

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  24. The Reticulator Member
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    Concretevol (View Comment):

    John Kerry is a genuinely stupid individual. Our nation really dodged a bullet not electing that guy as president. Says a lot that the dems nominated such an ignoramus.

    And there are still some people who say “Swiftboating” in a pejorative way.

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  25. Miffed White Male Member
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    James Gawron (View Comment):
    Technically in every way, this is a major arms control treaty. Only in dark and weird places like Bob Corker’s brain is this not considered a treaty.

    No, technically, and Legally,  in order to be a treaty it has to be ratified by a 2/3rds vote of the Senate.

     

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  26. HankMorgan Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):
    Technically in every way, this is a major arms control treaty. Only in dark and weird places like Bob Corker’s brain is this not considered a treaty.

    No, technically, and Legally, in order to be a treaty it has to be ratified by a 2/3rds vote of the Senate.

    I don’t think either of you disagree with the other on the legal status and contents of the treaty.

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  27. jeannebodine Member
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    Quake Voter If it weren’t for Clermont, Warren and Delaware counties, this solipsistic sack of treason would have become POTUS, with John Edwards a heartbeat away. Alternative history from that point is an interesting bar conversation.

    @Quakevoter , where were these 3 counties? I might want to thank them. Really I’m just interested. 

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  28. James Gawron Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    James Gawron (View Comment):
    Technically in every way, this is a major arms control treaty. Only in dark and weird places like Bob Corker’s brain is this not considered a treaty.

    No, technically, and Legally, in order to be a treaty it has to be ratified by a 2/3rds vote of the Senate.

     

    Miffed,

    So let’s review. Kerry is presently renegotiating a non-existent treaty that took him two years to negotiate until Iran wouldn’t sign it anyway. However, it is vitally important that we don’t break the non-treaty that wasn’t signed because then bad things would happen like Iran would stop obeying the treaty that doesn’t exist and wasn’t signed.

    That’s your version. My version is that prima facia this was a major arms control treaty that was illegally negotiated with the Iranian government (and others) by the Obama Administration. The Obama Administration attempted to get the Iranian government to sign onto it (whatever it actually said as there were about 977 different versions of it most of which had no value whatsoever to US interests) without, as you have pointed out, 2/3 consent of the Senate. If there ever was an impeachable offense this would have been it. Obviously, the Iranian government isn’t bound by anything and is proceeding to build its arms program as it would have anyway. If anyone had any doubt, the Netanyahu Iranian Secrets Extravaganza should be sufficient to remove doubt as Benjamin was so kind as to provide the “hard copy” at great expense no doubt. When Kerry steps off the plane he should be immediately handcuffed and perp-walked. After he is waterboarded and implicates Obama as a foreign Iranian agent they both should be given a penthouse cell in the new Trump Penitentiary Tower going up in Manhattan.

    Oh, never mind Miffed!

    Regards,

    Jim

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  29. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    I find it really hard to believe that Kerry would be over there negotiating without any authority, so perhaps its best to wait and see if Trump has asked for his help. Does anyone know anything about it  other than just the pictures we’ve seen? Maybe I’ve missed something.

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  30. The Reticulator Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    I find it really hard to believe that Kerry would be over there negotiating without any authority, so perhaps its best to wait and see if Trump has asked for his help. Does anyone know anything about it other than just the pictures we’ve seen? Maybe I’ve missed something.

    Maybe the news media will ask some hard questions about it.

     

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