Trump Blinks

 

Under increasing pressure from the fallout of the trade war with China, it looks like President Trump may be walking back one of his campaign promises:

WASHINGTON—One year after withdrawing the U.S. from the Trans-Pacific Partnership, President Donald Trump has asked his top economic advisers to study the possibility of re-entering the trade pact negotiations.

Trump has deputized Robert Lighthizer, the U.S. trade representative, and Larry Kudlow, the director of the National Economic Council, to study the possibility of re-entering the TPP if the terms were favorable, the president told a group of lawmakers on Thursday.

The president’s new openness toward the TPP, which he had said during his campaign was a deal “pushed by special interests who want to rape our country,” comes as he is facing criticism from farmers for his escalating trade battle with China. After Trump took aim at China with new steel and aluminum tariffs, Beijing responded by announcing it would place penalties on a list of agricultural products that would affect swaths of the president’s political base.

As a matter of policy, this is a big win in the column for “Good Trump” — it’s absolutely the right policy move from both an economic or foreign policy perspective. As a political matter, it remains to be seen how his base, vehemently opposed to most trade deals, will take the news that the President is going against them on one of his core campaign promises.

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  1. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    George Townsend (View Comment):

    Joe P (View Comment):

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    Quake Voter (View Comment):
    Clinton was vehemently against the TPP by election day. Was that deceitful posing?

    Of course it was. Clinton helped negotiate the TPP. Everybody understood that she was lying about opposing the TPP. Protectionism in the Democratic Party is mostly posturing.

    It takes a special kind of economic idiocy to support protectionism. Even Obama generally supported free trade. Clinton did too. Warren’s opposition is mostly a charade.

    How do you know Trump wasn’t cleverly lying?

    Because he killed the deal on Day 1 of his administration and never made any sort of indication he had any interest in revisiting it until Larry Kudlow actually joined the administration.

    Exactly.

    Let’s face it, Joe. We keep trying to tell Trump supporters the facts of life. But being a dyed-in-the-wool Trump supporter (i.e., apologist) means not wishing to confront reality.

    How is it that I haven’t confronted reality? I said last weekend in @peterrobinson‘s post that Trump was wrong on TPP. You want me to say Trump is wrong on TPP; therefore, I hate him and will not support him any more. That’s what cry babies do. Mature adults, like the Gipper, say “My 80% friend is still my friend.”

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  2. Columbo Inactive
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    An update … President Trump ‘walks back’ eagerness to rejoin TPP; demands better deal

    If you react to every move (as if it’s the last one), you’re gonna hurt your neck.

    It was Ben Sasse (ulterior motives?) who claimed that President Trump was “re-joining TPP”.

    Even National Review reported that … the President only directed Larry Kudlow to “look at” re-joining the TPP …

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  3. Joe P Member
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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):

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    Clinton was vehemently against the TPP by election day. Was that deceitful posing?

    Of course it was. Clinton helped negotiate the TPP. Everybody understood that she was lying about opposing the TPP. Protectionism in the Democratic Party is mostly posturing.

    It takes a special kind of economic idiocy to support protectionism. Even Obama generally supported free trade. Clinton did too. Warren’s opposition is mostly a charade.

    How do you know Trump wasn’t cleverly lying?

    Because he killed the deal on Day 1 of his administration and never made any sort of indication he had any interest in revisiting it until Larry Kudlow actually joined the administration.

    He agrees with me now, so I’ll take it. Last weekend, when Trump presumably disagreed with me, I commented in agreement with Jamie’s point that TPP would help us strategically take on China (paraphrasing). I believed that then, and I believe it now. If Trump stops believing that tomorrow, and reverses course, I will say he’s wrong and still support the other 80% of his agenda that I agree with. That’s what the Gipper would do. That’s what any mature, intellectually honest adult would do. I don’t care what Trump thinks, I care what he does and how it turns out.

    Oh, just to be clear, I agree with that sentiment almost completely. But that’s wholly separate from assuming he has a clear strategic vision and master plan.

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    Clinton was vehemently against the TPP by election day. Was that deceitful posing?

    Of course it was. Clinton helped negotiate the TPP. Everybody understood that she was lying about opposing the TPP. Protectionism in the Democratic Party is mostly posturing.

    It takes a special kind of economic idiocy to support protectionism. Even Obama generally supported free trade. Clinton did too. Warren’s opposition is mostly a charade.

    How do you know Trump wasn’t cleverly lying?

    There are at least two, not necessarily mutually exclusive 3-d chess explanations:

    1. Posing as an ideologically committed protectionist gives you leverage in negotiation.
    2. Protectionism has become more politically popular lately.

    I can’t tell if you’re being facetious or not but you don’t really believe in the “genius Trump” theory do you?

    I think chess is a bad analogy. I played chess competitively as a kid. He’s not playing chess. He’s playing poker. I’ve played a lot of that too. Some of the best poker players would never meet the conventional definition of “genius”, but they have a strategy and they win. Let those laugh last who win.

    I just don’t see evidence of strategy.

    Keep looking.

    I looked again. All I see is lurching from response to response with no sign of forethought. My dogs are better strategic thinkers.

    Maybe you should run them for high office.

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  5. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    Joe P (View Comment):

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    Clinton was vehemently against the TPP by election day. Was that deceitful posing?

    Of course it was. Clinton helped negotiate the TPP. Everybody understood that she was lying about opposing the TPP. Protectionism in the Democratic Party is mostly posturing.

    It takes a special kind of economic idiocy to support protectionism. Even Obama generally supported free trade. Clinton did too. Warren’s opposition is mostly a charade.

    How do you know Trump wasn’t cleverly lying?

    Because he killed the deal on Day 1 of his administration and never made any sort of indication he had any interest in revisiting it until Larry Kudlow actually joined the administration.

    He agrees with me now, so I’ll take it. Last weekend, when Trump presumably disagreed with me, I commented in agreement with Jamie’s point that TPP would help us strategically take on China (paraphrasing). I believed that then, and I believe it now. If Trump stops believing that tomorrow, and reverses course, I will say he’s wrong and still support the other 80% of his agenda that I agree with. That’s what the Gipper would do. That’s what any mature, intellectually honest adult would do. I don’t care what Trump thinks, I care what he does and how it turns out.

    Oh, just to be clear, I agree with that sentiment almost completely. But that’s wholly separate from assuming he has a clear strategic vision and master plan.

    Certainly, to be quite honest, I’m not always sure what his plan is. It doesn’t always make sense to me. But so many things that matter to me seem to work out well in retrospect. I’m open to the possibility that he knows what he’s doing better than I would know what to do. Paul Ryan, for example, had a clear vision; he knew what he wanted to do and how he hoped to achieve it. He was open, honest, and honorable (like his former running mate), but he never got much done until Trump came along. Maybe a little Sun Tzu and the Art of War is what is needed, not a vision and strategy that is clear to all. 

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  6. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    An update … President Trump ‘walks back’ eagerness to rejoin TPP; demands better deal

    If you react to every move (as if it’s the last one), you’re gonna hurt your neck.

    It was Ben Sasse (ulterior motives?) who claimed that President Trump was “re-joining TPP”.

    Even National Review reported that … the President only directed Larry Kudlow to “look at” re-joining the TPP …

    BTW, TPP fell apart when Trump walked away from it. What does that tell you about how important our membership is to the agreement? Doesn’t that imply that if we demand a better deal, we would get it?

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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    But so many things that matter to me seem to work out well in retrospect.

    Can you give us an example?

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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    An update … President Trump ‘walks back’ eagerness to rejoin TPP; demands better deal

    If you react to every move (as if it’s the last one), you’re gonna hurt your neck.

    It was Ben Sasse (ulterior motives?) who claimed that President Trump was “re-joining TPP”.

    Even National Review reported that … the President only directed Larry Kudlow to “look at” re-joining the TPP …

    BTW, TPP fell apart when Trump walked away from it. What does that tell you about how important our membership is to the agreement? Doesn’t that imply that if we demand a better deal, we would get it?

    Everybody moved on without us and signed a new trade agreement without the US. 

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  9. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    Thanks for that link, @columbo!

    I like this passage:

    It would be easy for Trump critics to use this episode to point out the thoughtlessness and malleability of some Trump stances and the emptiness of some of his words. Senator Ben Sasse (R., Neb.) is probably right, though, to take the high road. His press release in full:

    The best thing the United States can do to push back against Chinese cheating now is to lead the other eleven Pacific nations that believe in free trade and the rule of law. It is good news that today the President directed Larry Kudlow and Ambassador Lighthizer to negotiate U.S. entry into TPP.

    The high road indeed! Well done, Sen. Sasse! I hope that certain elements of the Never Trump Resistance will follow the lead of this wise statesman.

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  10. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    If a Trump supporter could point out what was bad in the TPP deal months ago when Trump pulled out that has now changed to make it a “better” deal that would be very helpful.

    I have consistently said the TPP was poorly sold by both parties. It was done in secret and everyone says it will help hem in China, but the exact details are said to be too complex for us mere mortals. 

    Maybe it is the best Treaty in the history of Mankind. I tend to think anything that complex cannot be that great.

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    Maybe the lesson here is that Trump’s opinion this very minute on any given topic is not the final word on how a person who loves America thinks. Naw. Can’t be. Never mind.

    I am not sure I have seen anyone here actually make that argument, ever, so the sarcasam is odd.

    Except this very subject – trade. Although you seem unwilling and/or unable to admit it, one can get whiplash trying to keep up with his positions on trade.

    I see an slur against Trump supporters here, that has been made over an over that in effect all Trump supporters are mindless bots. 

    That is just not so, and it is does not help to say so. Even if it were true, how on Earth does being sarcastic help your cause? It does not. So much for the idea that anti-Trump people are less emotional and more rational. heh.

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  12. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Clinton was vehemently against the TPP by election day. Was that deceitful posing?

    Of course it was. Clinton helped negotiate the TPP. Everybody understood that she was lying about opposing the TPP. Protectionism in the Democratic Party is mostly posturing.

    It takes a special kind of economic idiocy to support protectionism. Even Obama generally supported free trade. Clinton did too. Warren’s opposition is mostly a charade.

    How do you know Trump wasn’t cleverly lying?

    Because he killed the deal on Day 1 of his administration and never made any sort of indication he had any interest in revisiting it until Larry Kudlow actually joined the administration.

    Exactly.

    Let’s face it, Joe. We keep trying to tell Trump supporters the facts of life. But being a dyed-in-the-wool Trump supporter (i.e., apologist) means not wishing to confront reality.

    Again, a slur against a whole group of people. If I support Trump, I must be a fanatic. 

     

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  13. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    An update … President Trump ‘walks back’ eagerness to rejoin TPP; demands better deal

    If you react to every move (as if it’s the last one), you’re gonna hurt your neck.

    It was Ben Sasse (ulterior motives?) who claimed that President Trump was “re-joining TPP”.

    Even National Review reported that … the President only directed Larry Kudlow to “look at” re-joining the TPP …

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I see an slur against Trump supporters here, that has been made over an over that in effect all Trump supporters are mindless bots. 

    That is just not so, and it is does not help to say so. Even if it were true, how on Earth does being sarcastic help your cause? It does not. So much for the idea that anti-Trump people are less emotional and more rational. heh.

    this is typical nonsense, and shows us who are the people who just can’t fathom nuance. I will speak for myself. I never said that Trump supporters are mindless bots. I support most of his policies. What I say is that the supporters who support him no matter what he says and does (and there are quite a few) are caught up in a cult of personality, and value Trump even more than his policies. It is you, Bryan, who keep wanting to impugn Skeptics like me, who do not drink the kool aid!

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    Clinton was vehemently against the TPP by election day. Was that deceitful posing?

    Of course it was. Clinton helped negotiate the TPP. Everybody understood that she was lying about opposing the TPP. Protectionism in the Democratic Party is mostly posturing.

    It takes a special kind of economic idiocy to support protectionism. Even Obama generally supported free trade. Clinton did too. Warren’s opposition is mostly a charade.

    How do you know Trump wasn’t cleverly lying?

    There are at least two, not necessarily mutually exclusive 3-d chess explanations:

    1. Posing as an ideologically committed protectionist gives you leverage in negotiation.
    2. Protectionism has become more politically popular lately.

    I can’t tell if you’re being facetious or not but you don’t really believe in the “genius Trump” theory do you?

    I think chess is a bad analogy. I played chess competitively as a kid. He’s not playing chess. He’s playing poker. I’ve played a lot of that too. Some of the best poker players would never meet the conventional definition of “genius”, but they have a strategy and they win. Let those laugh last who win.

    I just don’t see evidence of strategy.

    Keep looking.

    I looked again. All I see is lurching from response to response with no sign of forethought. My dogs are better strategic thinkers.

    Maybe you should run them for high office.

    Couldn’t be any worse than what we’re getting.

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    this is typical nonsense

    If you’re trying to defend yourself against charges of being uncivil, you might want to rethink your opening clause.

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    Moderator Note:

    Often, people reach conversational impasses, where they simply and repeatedly cannot see eye-to-eye. It's kindest to avoid attributing this to willful misunderstanding.

    Umbra of Nex, Fractus (View Comment):

    George Townsend (View Comment):
    this is typical nonsense

    If you’re trying to defend yourself against charges of being uncivil, you might want to rethink your opening clause.

    It is not being to uncivil to say the truth. Bryan refuses to read and understand what I write; instead using ad mononym attacks. He does the same to Gary, who doesn’t seem to mind. I do.

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  18. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    I am not sure what an ad mononym is, however since a mononym is a single person name like “Madonna”, maybe it means I should go by “Bryan”. 

    George, I will say that I believe that you are not calling all Trump supporters mindless bots, and that you do not think I am one of the Trump supporters you do think are mindless bots. 

     

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    But so many things that matter to me seem to work out well in retrospect.

    Can you give us an example?

    1. huge tax cut
    2. Neil Gorsuch
    3. Many other appeals court judges
    4. regulations cut
    5. out of Paris Accord
    6. media in disarray
    7. NATO members paying more for their own defense
    8. standing up to Russia
    9. drill, baby, drill
    10. I’m sure I could think of other things, but I have things to do.
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  20. Joe P Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    An update … President Trump ‘walks back’ eagerness to rejoin TPP; demands better deal

    If you react to every move (as if it’s the last one), you’re gonna hurt your neck.

    It was Ben Sasse (ulterior motives?) who claimed that President Trump was “re-joining TPP”.

    Even National Review reported that … the President only directed Larry Kudlow to “look at” re-joining the TPP …

    A lot of wiggle room there in saying “if the deal is better than what was offered to Obama.” It’s a position that maximizes his freedom of action, which is exactly the sort of “genius” Trump has.

    If he decides to do the deal, he can claim he improved on what Obama did. If he decides not to, he can claim the deal was bad and that he’s sticking by his promises. Since there’s never a clear definition of what needs improvement with the deal, he’s free to take any position and still not “lose.”

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    I am not sure I can cope with more fruitless discussion about what is and what is not appropriate to say about the ethics or lack of ethics of supporters of Trump, and go round and round again in circles.

    I get dizzy if we go round in circles too much!

    My daughter-in-law, who used to be a debating star at university, says that when arguing, you should always assume “noble intent” on the part of your debating opponent. It keeps you to the issues, not the personalities. I believe that she is right (though I have to admit I am a bit of hypocrite and am not always so good at keeping to this myself).

    So can I suggest that the discussion returns to the real topic—is the TPP a good thing, is the TPP a bad thing, will Trump really join it, is he just striking a negotiating stance, is this a means to pressure China a bit more on North Korea, and so forth? At least these are real substantive issues.

    I know nothing whatsoever about the TPP. Well, I’ve read bits of the Wikipedia article on it. It looked . . . well, messy. Can anyone recommend a short, easy to understand article that at least describes it? Or is that an impossible request to fulfil because there are no simple explanations?

    It looks like it is too early to evaluate the replacement treaty, the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership because it was only signed last month. It does seem to be one of those “you’ll find out what’s in it after you pass it” types of legislation.

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  22. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett: As a political matter, it remains to be seen how his base, vehemently opposed to most trade deals, will take the news that the President is going against them on one of his core campaign promises.

    This is part of the problem, misrepresenting the position. No one I know of is against trade or trade deals in general but trade and trade deals skewed against America and American workers. It’s like Democrats who misrepresent the position on illegal immigration as being against immigration in general. If you can’t get the basic facts right it’s hard to give credence to any analysis.

    Not a single person who holds this position can articulate what about these deals is skewed or bad. I’m still waiting to hear what was wrong with TPP a year ago that isn’t wrong with it today. 

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  23. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    An update … President Trump ‘walks back’ eagerness to rejoin TPP; demands better deal

    If you react to every move (as if it’s the last one), you’re gonna hurt your neck.

    It was Ben Sasse (ulterior motives?) who claimed that President Trump was “re-joining TPP”.

    Even National Review reported that … the President only directed Larry Kudlow to “look at” re-joining the TPP …

    So @fredcole was right – Trump reversed course within 12 hours. Nice. 

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  24. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    An update … President Trump ‘walks back’ eagerness to rejoin TPP; demands better deal

    If you react to every move (as if it’s the last one), you’re gonna hurt your neck.

    It was Ben Sasse (ulterior motives?) who claimed that President Trump was “re-joining TPP”.

    Even National Review reported that … the President only directed Larry Kudlow to “look at” re-joining the TPP …

    BTW, TPP fell apart when Trump walked away from it. What does that tell you about how important our membership is to the agreement? Doesn’t that imply that if we demand a better deal, we would get it?

    Actually as far as I know the other 11 countries went ahead and negotiated the deal, I think they’re holding off on signing it because so much of it is based on US Law and doesn’t really work without US participation. 

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    Columbo (View Comment):

    An update … President Trump ‘walks back’ eagerness to rejoin TPP; demands better deal

    If you react to every move (as if it’s the last one), you’re gonna hurt your neck.

    It was Ben Sasse (ulterior motives?) who claimed that President Trump was “re-joining TPP”.

    Even National Review reported that … the President only directed Larry Kudlow to “look at” re-joining the TPP …

    A lot of wiggle room there in saying “if the deal is better than what was offered to Obama.” It’s a position that maximizes his freedom of action, which is exactly the sort of “genius” Trump has.

    If he decides to do the deal, he can claim he improved on what Obama did. If he decides not to, he can claim the deal was bad and that he’s sticking by his promises. Since there’s never a clear definition of what needs improvement with the deal, he’s free to take any position and still not “lose.”

    George, Bob, John, Mitt, Jeb!, Marco, Ted, Mitch, John, Paul, etc. …. take notes.

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  26. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    If a Trump supporter could point out what was bad in the TPP deal months ago when Trump pulled out that has now changed to make it a “better” deal that would be very helpful.

    I have consistently said the TPP was poorly sold by both parties. It was done in secret and everyone says it will help hem in China, but the exact details are said to be too complex for us mere mortals.

    Maybe it is the best Treaty in the history of Mankind. I tend to think anything that complex cannot be that great.

    The entire text of the deal was posted for anyone to read well before it even made it to the Senate. I read it. @jamesofengland has read it. You could have read it too if you were interested in learning what was in it. 

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  27. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    An update … President Trump ‘walks back’ eagerness to rejoin TPP; demands better deal

    If you react to every move (as if it’s the last one), you’re gonna hurt your neck.

    It was Ben Sasse (ulterior motives?) who claimed that President Trump was “re-joining TPP”.

    Even National Review reported that … the President only directed Larry Kudlow to “look at” re-joining the TPP …

    So @fredcole was right – Trump reversed course within 12 hours. Nice.

    Seems he is saying the exact same thing today as he did yesterday.

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  28. Jamie Lockett Member
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    But so many things that matter to me seem to work out well in retrospect.

    Can you give us an example?

    1. huge tax cut
    2. Neil Gorsuch
    3. Many other appeals court judges
    4. regulations cut
    5. out of Paris Accord
    6. media in disarray
    7. NATO members paying more for their own defense
    8. standing up to Russia
    9. drill, baby, drill
    10. I’m sure I could think of other things, but I have things to do.

    I could quibble here or there about whether these are good things, accurate or if the President deserves most of the credit for them but most of these are good things. And you forgot routing ISIS and the embassy in Jerusalem.

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  29. Jamie Lockett Member
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    An update … President Trump ‘walks back’ eagerness to rejoin TPP; demands better deal

    If you react to every move (as if it’s the last one), you’re gonna hurt your neck.

    It was Ben Sasse (ulterior motives?) who claimed that President Trump was “re-joining TPP”.

    Even National Review reported that … the President only directed Larry Kudlow to “look at” re-joining the TPP …

    A lot of wiggle room there in saying “if the deal is better than what was offered to Obama.” It’s a position that maximizes his freedom of action, which is exactly the sort of “genius” Trump has.

    If he decides to do the deal, he can claim he improved on what Obama did. If he decides not to, he can claim the deal was bad and that he’s sticking by his promises. Since there’s never a clear definition of what needs improvement with the deal, he’s free to take any position and still not “lose.”

    This I think is what divides Trump TrueBelievers from Trump Skeptics – the former see this as evidence of strategic genius, the latter see it as used car salesman stuff. 

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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    But so many things that matter to me seem to work out well in retrospect.

    Can you give us an example?

    1. huge [snip]

    No. I’m not asking for a list of stuff Trump claims credit for. I’m asking for what we were actually talking about:

    Stuff where it looked like Trump has no [expletive] idea what he was doing, where it was just chaos, but then it worked out well in retrospect. 

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