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The left is touting a study by Harvard and Stanford allegedly showing that race explains income inequality. America is racist against blacks regardless of class. Hokum. What they have done is bury the lede. The real story is that for boys, fathers matter. A lot.

Black American men, even from wealthy families, are much more likely to end up in lower income brackets than white men who grew up poorer.

But why? Because it is isolated to black men.

The study finds that this black-white income gap is also entirely created by differences in outcomes for men, not women. Among those who grow up in families with comparable incomes, black women earn slightly more than white women. Black men, by contrast, earned “substantially” less than white men with similar parental incomes.

For men, this disparity is also seen in high-school completion rates, college attendance rates, and incarceration.

Hmmmmm. There must be a reason. It turns out that fathers matter.

There are some environments that lead to smaller black-white gaps in intergenerational outcomes: low-poverty neighborhoods with, importantly, low levels of racial bias among whites and higher rates of fathers being present among blacks. (This doesn’t necessarily need to be the child’s own father, just within the community.)

The authors of the report find that black men who moved to these better areas at a young age have higher incomes and lower rates of incarnation as adults. The problem is that fewer than 5% of black children currently grow up in areas with a poverty rate below 10% and more than half with fathers present, while 63% of white children do.

Without fathers as role models, even if that father figure is not your own, boys struggle and founder. How on earth did Harvard and Stanford let this study see the light of day?! Gender matters. Fathers matter. Go figure.

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  1. Profile Photo Member

    Ekosj:The problem is that fewer than 5% of black children currently grow up in areas with a poverty rate below 10% and more than half with fathers present, while 63% of white children do.

    Without fathers as role models, even if that father figure is not your own, boys struggle and founder. How on earth did Harvard and Stanford let this study see the light of day?!?!? Gender matters. Fathers Matter. Go figure.

    How did they not see this?

    A: They are blind to all colors except Black. They believe that “disparate impact” can only be explained by the existence of racism. They believe and teach that–as everybody knows, or should–all traits, all talents, all desires, all behavior and performance is everywhere and always equally distributed across all peoples in USA: it’s a GOVCO mandate backed by the “sciencey stuff” of disparate impact analysis.

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    • March 21, 2018, at 11:54 AM PDT
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  2. Quake Voter Inactive

    Ben Shapiro unpacks the actual findings below the NYT racemongering headlines in today’s show:

    https://www.dailywire.com/podcasts/28498/ep-500-american-racism-punishing-young-black-boys

    And he adds a very perceptive Sowell analysis to provide some possible conservative solutions. (There are no liberal solutions to the dire state of Black America.)

    Does anyone play it more thoughtfully and straight on race than Shapiro? Other than Sowell, of course.

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    • March 21, 2018, at 1:03 PM PDT
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  3. Henry Castaigne Member

    Quake Voter (View Comment):
    Does anyone play it more thoughtfully and straight on race than Shapiro? Other than Sowell, of course.

    Quite possibly Shelby Steele. Sowell has all the knowledge but Shelby gets into the psyche of the whole thing.

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    • March 21, 2018, at 2:44 PM PDT
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  4. Gumby Mark (R-Meth Lab of Demo… Thatcher

    I had read the coverage in the NY Times about this study. Like the article you link, the headline and the article in the Times didn’t seem consistent with the actual data from the study. They are so focused on their narrative that evidently plays on a loop in their heads all the time that they don’t stop and think about the data.

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    • March 21, 2018, at 3:01 PM PDT
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  5. RyanKasak Inactive

    This is such an important issue. Thank you for posting this. I am in the beginning stages of creating an organization focused very much on making better men, and specifically making better fathers. I don’t believe any other single issue will have a greater impact on the health of our nation. Great post!

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    • March 21, 2018, at 3:16 PM PDT
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  6. Danny Alexander Member

    Excellent post!

    One tiny quibble — not intended as churlishness/peevishness: In the latter part of the OP, the word “incarnation” appears where I guess that “incarceration” was intended.

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    • March 22, 2018, at 11:02 AM PDT
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  7. Stad Thatcher

    Ekosj: The real story is that for boys, fathers matter. A lot.

    Another part of the story is, “Why did it take studies from Harvard and Stanford to come up with this?”

    The left will find out the third cousin of the wife of one of the researchers is a conservative, thus invalidating both studies.

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    • March 22, 2018, at 11:32 AM PDT
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  8. Ekosj Inactive
    Ekosj

    Danny Alexander (View Comment):
    Excellent post!

    One tiny quibble — not intended as churlishness/peevishness: In the latter part of the OP, the word “incarnation” appears where I guess that “incarceration” was intended.

    Thanks. And thanks for the heads up.

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    • March 22, 2018, at 11:39 AM PDT
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  9. Ekosj Inactive
    Ekosj

    Stad (View Comment):

    Ekosj: The real story is that for boys, fathers matter. A lot.

    Another part of the story is, “Why did it take studies from Harvard and Stanford to come up with this?”

    Because there is no gazillion dollar program to address it … so nobody considered the possibility.

    Because it shines a positive light on the nuclear family so nobody considered it a viable explanation.

    Because common sense is an increasingly scarce commodity.

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    • March 22, 2018, at 11:47 AM PDT
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  10. Unsk Member

    Simply great post. One that needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

    A corollary though. Fathers matter to boys of all races. In 1965, single parentage was in the lower single digits, now it is around 40% . That means 40% of children are now born without a functioning father, and then thanks to our current oh so enlightened culture, many of those fathers still functioning in the father role are forced out of that role though divorce and our court system. I am sick and tired of talking to young fathers who can no longer see their young children because their wife divorced them and then some judge decided that they have no right to see their own children. The social pathology caused by this situation is unbelievably huge and destructive. And we wonder we there is a huge drug problem now among young men of all races?

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    • March 22, 2018, at 11:56 AM PDT
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  11. Postmodern Hoplite Member

    RyanKasak (View Comment):
    I am in the beginning stages of creating an organization focused very much on making better men, and specifically making better fathers. I don’t believe any other single issue will have a greater impact on the health of our nation.

    I agree whole-heartedly. Please keep your fellow Ricochetti posted on your progress. You may find other members interested in participating if there is a role for them.

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    • March 22, 2018, at 11:58 AM PDT
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  12. Doug Kimball Thatcher

    An in related stories, children with legs outrun their legless peers while those who swim are less inclined to drown when tossed into the sea…

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    • March 22, 2018, at 12:22 PM PDT
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  13. barbara lydick Coolidge

    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Postmodern Hoplite

    RyanKasak (View Comment):
    I am in the beginning stages of creating an organization focused very much on making better men, and specifically making better fathers. I don’t believe any other single issue will have a greater impact on the health of our nation.

    I agree whole-heartedly. Please keep your fellow Ricochetti posted on your progress. You may find other members interested in participating if there is a role for them.

    God bless you for embarking on this project. Can’t think of too many other things that would benefit our society as much as this. Once it was the Boy Scouts, maybe even the YMCA – but those days are behind us. Wishing you much success.

    If there is a way the Ricochetti women can help, please let us know.

     

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    • March 22, 2018, at 3:25 PM PDT
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  14. barbara lydick Coolidge

    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Postmodern Hoplite

    RyanKasak (View Comment):
    I am in the beginning stages of creating an organization focused very much on making better men, and specifically making better fathers. I don’t believe any other single issue will have a greater impact on the health of our nation.

    I agree whole-heartedly. Please keep your fellow Ricochetti posted on your progress. You may find other members interested in participating if there is a role for them.

     

    God bless you for embarking on this project. Can’t think of too many more things that would benefit society overall as this will. Once we had the Boy Scouts and perhaps the YMCA, but those days are in the past. Wishing you much success.

    If there is anything the Ricochetti women can do to help, please let us know.

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    • March 22, 2018, at 3:37 PM PDT
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  15. RyanKasak Inactive

    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):

    RyanKasak (View Comment):
    I am in the beginning stages of creating an organization focused very much on making better men, and specifically making better fathers. I don’t believe any other single issue will have a greater impact on the health of our nation.

    I agree whole-heartedly. Please keep your fellow Ricochetti posted on your progress. You may find other members interested in participating if there is a role for them.

    I certainly will. It will be several months before we roll anything out. We are still trying to put some structural/ organizational pieces into place. Thank you for the support.

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    • March 22, 2018, at 3:45 PM PDT
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  16. RyanKasak Inactive

    barbara lydick (View Comment):

    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Postmodern Hoplite

    RyanKasak (View Comment):
    I am in the beginning stages of creating an organization focused very much on making better men, and specifically making better fathers. I don’t believe any other single issue will have a greater impact on the health of our nation.

    I agree whole-heartedly. Please keep your fellow Ricochetti posted on your progress. You may find other members interested in participating if there is a role for them.

     

    God bless you for embarking on this project. Can’t think of too many more things that would benefit society overall as this will. Once we had the Boy Scouts and perhaps the YMCA, but those days are in the past. Wishing you much success.

    If there is anything the Ricochetti women can do to help, please let us know.

    Thank you very much. The fact that you mention the Boy Scouts is on point as it is one of the organizations that we looked to for inspiration. I came from a strong Scouting family. Our process and target will be different, but our goal will be the same, build strong, confident, reverent, men who focus on being good husbands and fathers and good citizens. 

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    • March 22, 2018, at 3:50 PM PDT
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  17. barbara lydick Coolidge

    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):
    Postmodern Hoplite

    RyanKasak (View Comment):
    I am in the beginning stages of creating an organization focused very much on making better men, and specifically making better fathers. I don’t believe any other single issue will have a greater impact on the health of our nation.

    I agree whole-heartedly. Please keep your fellow Ricochetti posted on your progress. You may find other members interested in participating if there is a role for them.

    God bless you for embarking on this much needed project. Can’t think of too many other organizations that will benefit society overall as this will. Once there was the Boy Scouts, perhaps the YMCA – but those days are gone. Wishing you much success.

    If there is a way Ricochetti women can help, please let us know 

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    • March 22, 2018, at 4:06 PM PDT
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  18. Mim526 Member

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Quake Voter (View Comment):
    Does anyone play it more thoughtfully and straight on race than Shapiro? Other than Sowell, of course.

    Quite possibly Shelby Steele. Sowell has all the knowledge but Shelby gets into the psyche of the whole thing.

    Reminds me of this Greg Gutfeld interview of Shelby Steele about his book Shame.

     

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    • March 23, 2018, at 1:23 AM PDT
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  19. Stad Thatcher

    Ekosj (View Comment):
    Because common sense is an increasingly scarce commodity.

    Kind of like that Time magazine cover “Men and Women Are Different”.

    Nothing but breaking news . . .

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    • March 23, 2018, at 6:16 AM PDT
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  20. twvolck Member

     Lower rates of incarnation, huh?..Any numbers on that?

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    • March 23, 2018, at 10:17 AM PDT
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  21. Ekosj Inactive
    Ekosj

    twvolck (View Comment):

    Lower rates of incarnation, huh?..Any numbers on that?

    The graphics in the paper don’t break out the stats by ‘father-present’ But they are teased out in the full paper

    Full Study

    http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/assets/documents/race_paper.pdf

    online full data sets

    http://www.equality-of-opportunity.org/data/index.html#race

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    • March 23, 2018, at 11:54 AM PDT
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