DACA Going Caca

 

There won’t be an immigration agreement. The President’s signature issue is going to be handled to his satisfaction or it will be vetoed.

The bipartisan bill in the Senate, which is mostly Democrat but with a few squish boys like Flake, makes minimal and irrelevant changes to chain migration and visas but grants amnesty to DACA folks. The bill states it will fund a wall over a decade which is, of course, a complete lie.

The President compromised already and greatly upset a big part of his immigration-hawk base. Sen. Grassley has a plan that the President will sign. Schumer has a plan the left’s psycho-base can live with, essentially making his bill something the president will never sign.

March 5 is the theoretical deadline although there are some rogue activist judges who feel otherwise, at least until the SCOTUS slaps them down based on that crazy non-malleable document all the old white men left us handcuffed with.

There will be no acceptable compromise I expect. Your guess?

I hope the dreamers are all deported, aggressively, if the dems fail to give the president his wall, NOW, and legitimate immigration reform, NOW. The future of the nation is at stake here and the president knows it. Giving in to democrat demands is suicide for Trump and our country. Time for hardball.

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  1. Kevin Schulte Member
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    The Dems are going to force the issue. Their rabid base will let them do no other. This is a mistake on their part. I hope the DACA’s get an express ticket out also. Then I hope the Republicans run on blaming the DACA exit on the heartless Dems. Another winning hand if, if, they handle it properly.

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  2. Rick Poach Member
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    BOOM-SHAKA-LAKA!

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  3. DocJay Inactive
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    Kevin Schulte (View Comment):
    The Dems are going to force the issue. Their rabid base will let them do no other. This is a mistake on their part. I hope the DACA’s get an express ticket out also. Then I hope the Republicans run on blaming the DACA exit on the heartless Dems. Another winning hand if, if, they handle it properly.

    Yes!

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  4. Doug Kimball Thatcher
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    There is no moral high ground for either side here.  If Trump has an Achilles’ heal it is his propensity to make enemies, Coyote enemies who’d rather chew of an arm than raise it to support DT.   Flake and McCain, my Senators, are Coyote enemies.  Trump baited both of them during the primary and he didn’t have to.  OK, so they are squishy on immigration, but given the compromises in Trump’s newest proposal (we’re paying for the wall and amnesty for the dreamers and then some) are also pretty squishy.  He’s now reaping what he sowed, unless he can lure away a couple of more conservative democrats and the Senate goes nuclear.

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  5. Dave Sussman Member
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    @DaveSussman

    Agreed. Democrats are making a tactical error. Politically, the no borders/one world approach works for Conservatives this fall. Every commercial, every radio ad, every internet meme should all show the SOTU Democrat reaction shots to Trump’s very moderate proposal to the issue.

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  6. Judithann Campbell Member
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    Both my husband and I started out being pretty sympathetic to the dreamers, but after witnessing their behavior over the past months, we are fine with seeing them deported. There are enough SJWs in this country already, why should we legalize more?

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  7. DocJay Inactive
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    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):
    Both my husband and I started out being pretty sympathetic to the dreamers, but after witnessing their behavior over the past months, we are fine with seeing them deported. There are enough SJWs in this country already, why should we legalize more?

    The vocal ones are pretty annoying.  Likely a small percentage of the overall group but they fail as a victim group because they mostly side with rabid progressives, whose take is a non-starter.

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  8. DocJay Inactive
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    Dave Sussman (View Comment):
    Agreed. Democrats are making a tactical error. Politically, the no borders/one world approach works for Conservatives this fall. Every commercial, every radio ad, every internet meme should all show the SOTU Democrat reaction shots to Trump’s very moderate proposal to the issue.

    Indeed.  I actually think most republicans know this intuitively.  This isn’t 1986.

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  9. DocJay Inactive
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    All the bills were defeated with the mainly Democrat one getting the most support.   Trump’s bill was 39/60 and the other bill 55/45 with lots of lobbying from POTUS peeps.

    Fine.  If the dems don’t care enough about DACA to truly compromise, for once,  then deportations should massively increase.

    Once the dreamers are all deported then we can start to discuss the other items without the DACA bargaining chip.

    OK , I’m dreaming too.

     

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  10. Columbo Inactive
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    There won’t be an immigration agreement. The President’s signature issue is going to be handled to his satisfaction or it will be vetoed.

    Doc … you and I think alike …….

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  11. Skyler Coolidge
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    @Skyler

    I’m a firm believer in easy immigration for lawful people who won’t be a burden.

    We should allow anyone to come here as soon as we end all benefit programs.  I’m tired of my money going to people here legally or illegally.

    But what I really don’t like is laws being ignored.  We are a nation of laws or we are a nation of whims.  The latter is frightening because it eventually leads to corruption and oppression.  Our immigration laws may have been wise or unwise, but they were the law and they were not immoral nor did they shock the conscience.  There is no reason we shouldn’t and they shouldn’t expect laws to be enforced.

    I have zero pity for for the Schemers.  It may not be their fault that they are here, but it’s not our fault either.  The burden is on them, not us.  Life is hard, but it’s harder when we have to pay danegeld to law breakers.

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  12. DocJay Inactive
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    Skyler (View Comment):
    I’m a firm believer in easy immigration for lawful people who won’t be a burden.

    We should allow anyone to come here as soon as we end all benefit programs. I’m tired of my money going to people here legally or illegally.

    But what I really don’t like is laws being ignored. We are a nation of laws or we are a nation of whims. The latter is frightening because it eventually leads to corruption and oppression. Our immigration laws may have been wise or unwise, but they were the law and they were not immoral nor did the shock the conscience. There is no reason we shouldn’t and they shouldn’t expect laws to be enforced.

    I have zero pity for for the Schemers. It may not be their fault that they are here, but it’s not our fault either. The burden is on them, not us. Life is hard, but it’s harder when we have to pay danegeld to law breakers.

    Lots of reasons to fix our giant mess.  Most of the country feels differently than our politicians about this issue.

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  13. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    Think about it.  If the “dreamers” are somewhat innocent, because they were “brought here as children”, then the real culprits are the parents who broke the law to get them here.  How about we let the dreamers stay (no citizenship or voting for at least 25 years), and deport the parents, who broke the law sneaking in here in the first place.  The first ones to be deported are those who used fake IDs or stolen SS numbers to get jobs, which is a felony.  And everyone gets a criminal record, since they were criminals.

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  14. Melissa Praemonitus Member
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    @6foot2inhighheels

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  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    I had an employed DACA High School Graduate in my office today, who has never been back to Mexico since her parents brought here at the age of 3.  She is an incredibly decent human being.

    We just lost a solid Trump seat in the Florida House of Representatives to the Democrats in Florida on Tuesday.

    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    Our next race to lose:  PA-18, a formerly strong Republican seat.

    Keep it up, the Trump Republicans are destroying our party.

     

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  16. Skyler Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    But they’re not innocent.  Their situation is the product of deceit and violating laws.

    If a man steals money from a bank and gives it to his child in his will, should the child keep the money?

    Their parents moved to a foreign country and found a way to survive.  They can return to that country and find a way to survive as well.

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  17. Skyler Coolidge
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    But they’re not innocent. Their situation is the product of deceit and violating laws.

    If a man steals money from a bank and gives it to his child in his will, should the child keep the money?

    Their parents moved to a foreign country and found a way to survive. They can return to that country and find a way to survive as well.

    Or are we saying that the other country is a place that is unliveable?  Mexico City is one of the largest cities in the world, if not the largest.  It seems people can live there just fine.  I think it is downright insulting to imply that these Schemers can’t survive any other place except here where they are most likely sucking up benefits that our voters (unwisely and immorally) intended to be taken from me and fellow citizens.

     

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  18. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I had an employed DACA High School Graduate in my office today, who has never been back to Mexico since her parents brought here at the age of 3. She is an incredibly decent human being.

    We just lost a solid Trump seat in the Florida House of Representatives to the Democrats in Florida on Tuesday.

    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    Our next race to lose: PA-18, a formerly strong Republican seat.

    Keep it up, the Trump Republicans are destroying our party.

    Actually Trump offered a DACA solution more generous than that by Obama, a proposal that went further than many non-Trump conservatives would go, and further than many on Ricochet who support Trump would go.  It was the Democrats who refused the offer, an offer consistent with the wishes of the American people as shown in the most recent Harvard Harris poll.

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  19. DocJay Inactive
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    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I had an employed DACA High School Graduate in my office today, who has never been back to Mexico since her parents brought here at the age of 3. She is an incredibly decent human being.

    We just lost a solid Trump seat in the Florida House of Representatives to the Democrats in Florida on Tuesday.

    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    Our next race to lose: PA-18, a formerly strong Republican seat.

    Keep it up, the Trump Republicans are destroying our party.

    Actually Trump offered a DACA solution more generous than that by Obama, a proposal that went further than many non-Trump conservatives would go, and further than many on Ricochet who support Trump would go. It was the Democrats who refused the offer, an offer consistent with the wishes of the American people as shown in the most recent Harvard Harris poll.

    This issue is a winner for the GOP.  If the GOP caves, then 2018 will see a lot of conservative voters stay home.   It’s obvious.

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    But they’re not innocent. Their situation is the product of deceit and violating laws.

    If a man steals money from a bank and gives it to his child in his will, should the child keep the money?

    Their parents moved to a foreign country and found a way to survive. They can return to that country and find a way to survive as well.

    Actually the question is if the child should be prosecuted.  I think not.

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  21. Judge Mental Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    But they’re not innocent. Their situation is the product of deceit and violating laws.

    If a man steals money from a bank and gives it to his child in his will, should the child keep the money?

    Their parents moved to a foreign country and found a way to survive. They can return to that country and find a way to survive as well.

    Actually the question is if the child should be prosecuted. I think not.

    No, his example was on the money.  Should the child keep the ill-gotten proceeds of the parents crime?

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  22. Gary Robbins Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    But they’re not innocent. Their situation is the product of deceit and violating laws.

    If a man steals money from a bank and gives it to his child in his will, should the child keep the money?

    Their parents moved to a foreign country and found a way to survive. They can return to that country and find a way to survive as well.

    Or are we saying that the other country is a place that is unliveable? Mexico City is one of the largest cities in the world, if not the largest. It seems people can live there just fine. I think it is downright insulting to imply that these Schemers can’t survive any other place except here where they are most likely sucking up benefits that our voters (unwisely and immorally) intended to be taken from me and fellow citizens.

    This young lady went to elementary and high school here.  If you want to lose all of the voters of her peers, go right ahead and deport her.  She has done nothing illegal, her parents did.  In North Korea, there is punishment to the third generation, we don’t do that here.

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    DocJay (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I had an employed DACA High School Graduate in my office today, who has never been back to Mexico since her parents brought here at the age of 3. She is an incredibly decent human being.

    We just lost a solid Trump seat in the Florida House of Representatives to the Democrats in Florida on Tuesday.

    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    Our next race to lose: PA-18, a formerly strong Republican seat.

    Keep it up, the Trump Republicans are destroying our party.

    Actually Trump offered a DACA solution more generous than that by Obama, a proposal that went further than many non-Trump conservatives would go, and further than many on Ricochet who support Trump would go. It was the Democrats who refused the offer, an offer consistent with the wishes of the American people as shown in the most recent Harvard Harris poll.

    This issue is a winner for the GOP. If the GOP caves, then 2018 will see a lot of conservative voters stay home. It’s obvious.

    I thought that the Second Amendment was the most important issue to you and conservative voters, or was it being Pro-Life?

    So far, we are doing a pretty good job losing long held Republican seats, most recently in the Florida House of Representatives this week.

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  24. Gary Robbins Member
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    But they’re not innocent. Their situation is the product of deceit and violating laws.

    If a man steals money from a bank and gives it to his child in his will, should the child keep the money?

    Their parents moved to a foreign country and found a way to survive. They can return to that country and find a way to survive as well.

    Actually the question is if the child should be prosecuted. I think not.

    No, his example was on the money. Should the child keep the ill-gotten proceeds of the parents crime?

    If the proceeds can clearly be traced, no, howvever money is damn fungible.

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  25. Judge Mental Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    But they’re not innocent. Their situation is the product of deceit and violating laws.

    If a man steals money from a bank and gives it to his child in his will, should the child keep the money?

    Their parents moved to a foreign country and found a way to survive. They can return to that country and find a way to survive as well.

    Or are we saying that the other country is a place that is unliveable? Mexico City is one of the largest cities in the world, if not the largest. It seems people can live there just fine. I think it is downright insulting to imply that these Schemers can’t survive any other place except here where they are most likely sucking up benefits that our voters (unwisely and immorally) intended to be taken from me and fellow citizens.

    This young lady went to elementary and high school here. If you want to lose all of the voters of her peers, go right ahead and deport her. She has done nothing illegal, her parents did. In North Korea, there is punishment to the third generation, we don’t do that here.

    Then we cam assume that you support deporting the parents of all DACA ‘kids’?

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  26. Judge Mental Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    But they’re not innocent. Their situation is the product of deceit and violating laws.

    If a man steals money from a bank and gives it to his child in his will, should the child keep the money?

    Their parents moved to a foreign country and found a way to survive. They can return to that country and find a way to survive as well.

    Actually the question is if the child should be prosecuted. I think not.

    No, his example was on the money. Should the child keep the ill-gotten proceeds of the parents crime?

    If the proceeds can clearly be traced, no, howvever money is damn fungible.

    Her presence in this country is not fungible.

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
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    @GaryRobbins

    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If the innocent DACA young adults are deported, I frankly hope that all Trump Republicans are beaten in 2018.

    But they’re not innocent. Their situation is the product of deceit and violating laws.

    If a man steals money from a bank and gives it to his child in his will, should the child keep the money?

    Their parents moved to a foreign country and found a way to survive. They can return to that country and find a way to survive as well.

    Or are we saying that the other country is a place that is unliveable? Mexico City is one of the largest cities in the world, if not the largest. It seems people can live there just fine. I think it is downright insulting to imply that these Schemers can’t survive any other place except here where they are most likely sucking up benefits that our voters (unwisely and immorally) intended to be taken from me and fellow citizens.

    This young lady went to elementary and high school here. If you want to lose all of the voters of her peers, go right ahead and deport her. She has done nothing illegal, her parents did. In North Korea, there is punishment to the third generation, we don’t do that here.

    Then we cam assume that you support deporting the parents of all DACA ‘kids’?

    I support the presumptive legal status for Dreamers.  But, they should not be allowed to sponsor their parents.

    Of their parents, I think that most should be retained, a minority should not.  The test should if whether, other than illegal entry, they have committed crimes.

    Citizenship for the parents must be out of the question, at most they should be eligible for legal status.  The problem is if there was amnesty for 3 million in 1986, and 10 million now, then in 2050, we will be looking at amnesty for 30 million, and in 2080, we will be looking at amnesty for 100 million.

    The dividing line should be January 20, 2017; clearly the American people made a full turn in the 2016 election.

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  28. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    @MikeLaRoche

    DocJay

    I hope the dreamers are all deported, aggressively, if the dems fail to give the president his wall, NOW, and legitimate immigration reform, NOW. The future of the nation is at stake here and the president knows it. Giving in to democrat demands is suicide for Trump and our country. Time for hardball.

    It’s time to crush the Democrats underfoot, along with their squish lackeys.

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  29. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Gary,

    Aren’t you breaking the law hiring an illegal knowingly?

    I guess, as a lawyer, you understand it all better than us.

     

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  30. HankMorgan Inactive
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    Doug Kimball (View Comment):
    There is no moral high ground for either side here. If Trump has an Achilles’ heal it is his propensity to make enemies, Coyote enemies who’d rather chew of an arm than raise it to support DT. Flake and McCain, my Senators, are Coyote enemies. Trump baited both of them during the primary and he didn’t have to. OK, so they are squishy on immigration, but given the compromises in Trump’s newest proposal (we’re paying for the wall and amnesty for the dreamers and then some) are also pretty squishy. He’s now reaping what he sowed, unless he can lure away a couple of more conservative democrats and the Senate goes nuclear.

    Adults will work with people they hate to achieve their goals. Children will reject their goals to spite the people they hate.

    I thought it would be Trump that would act like a child, seems I was wrong.

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