Senate Dems Cave on Government Shutdown

 

In a speech on the Senate floor, Minority Leader Chuck Schumer announced a deal on reopening the federal government. Sen. Mitch McConnell immediately introduced a cloture vote on the effort.

The measure would fund the government through Feb. 8. In return for Democratic support, McConnell has promised Schumer to “open a debate on immigration.”

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  1. The King Prawn Inactive
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    Worst shutdown ever. I barely even had time to get emotionally invested.

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  2. Locke On Member
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    Guess that didn’t poll very well.  Score one for Trump and McConnell.

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  3. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Locke On (View Comment):
    Guess that didn’t poll very well. Score one for Trump and McConnell.

    That’s what I was thinking. When even CNN is suggesting Dem hypocrisy on this, you know Schumer miscalculated on being able to sell this to the public as a Republican shutdown.

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  4. Jager Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Locke On (View Comment):
    Guess that didn’t poll very well. Score one for Trump and McConnell.

    That’s what I was thinking. When even CNN is suggesting Dem hypocrisy on this, you know Schumer miscalculated on being able to sell this to the public as a Republican shutdown.

    The Dems say they will shut the government down if they don’t get what they want. The Progressive wing is demanding that the Dems shut down the government to get DACA. The Republicans pass funding but the Dems block it. That is a hard fact set to blame the problems on the Republicans.

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  5. Valiuth Member
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    But, this means we will be doing all of this again in three weeks? doesn’t it? We are celebrating the can being kicked down the road and not even that far down.

    So what happens in February?

    • #5
  6. The King Prawn Inactive
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    My grand scheme is to pass the defense appropriations bill with a DACA fix attached to take the two biggest balls out of play.

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  7. Valiuth Member
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    The King Prawn (View Comment):
    My grand scheme is to pass the defense appropriations bill with a DACA fix attached to take the two biggest balls out of play.

    You think they will do that in February? I smell a lot of continuing resolutions in our future.

    I think the biggest thing I want to see from congress is still a normal budget process.

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  8. Michael Shaw Thatcher
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    Hopefully the Democratic Party has come to its senses. Holding U.S. service men and women, the federal civil service and the well-being of American citizens hostage to protect the so called “rights” of foreigners who illegally reside in the country has really bad optics. This puts me in mind of a Bob Dylan lyric in his song Positively Fourth Street. “I understand that you are dissatisfied with your position and your place; don’t you understand that’s not my problem.”

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v9F-mmdrcA4

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  9. Jules PA Inactive
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Locke On (View Comment):
    Guess that didn’t poll very well. Score one for Trump and McConnell.

    That’s what I was thinking. When even CNN is suggesting Dem hypocrisy on this, you know Schumer miscalculated on being able to sell this to the public as a Republican shutdown.

    hence the quick shutdown of shutdown.

    hahahaha.

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  10. Jules PA Inactive
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    Jager (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Locke On (View Comment):
    Guess that didn’t poll very well. Score one for Trump and McConnell.

    That’s what I was thinking. When even CNN is suggesting Dem hypocrisy on this, you know Schumer miscalculated on being able to sell this to the public as a Republican shutdown.

    The Dems say they will shut the government down if they don’t get what they want. The Progressive wing is demanding that the Dems shut down the government to get DACA. The Republicans pass funding but the Dems block it. That is a hard fact set to blame the problems on the Republicans.

    Are you saying that the media reported facts? and that subsequently the Dems responded to facts?

    The world is like new today.

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  11. Jules PA Inactive
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    clickable link of Dylan’s tune,

     

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  12. Jules PA Inactive
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    i see Michael Shaw fixed the link. :)

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  13. The King Prawn Inactive
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    The King Prawn (View Comment):
    My grand scheme is to pass the defense appropriations bill with a DACA fix attached to take the two biggest balls out of play.

    You think they will do that in February? I smell a lot of continuing resolutions in our future.

    I think the biggest thing I want to see from congress is still a normal budget process.

    I have no delusions that congress will do something sensible like this. The very best we can hope for is a CR that runs through the rest of the FY and maybe (though probably not) trying again this year to do the normal budgeting process. They wasted all of last year on failed attempts to do big things. I’m hoping this year they’ll give the mundane a try.

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  14. Gary Robbins Member
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    No, no, no, no, no!

    The Dems offered a three day extension.  It was shot down.

    Claire McCaskill offered a bill to continue payment to the military.  It was shot down.

    What the Dems won was a promise by McConnell to have an open amendment process, something that Harry Reid wiped out by “filling the amendment tree.”

    The Senate Institutionals won.  Good.

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  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    Over the weekend, the conservative Washington Examiner noted that a 43 year old Medical Doctor was detained by ICE.  He had a Green Card.  He was brought to the U.S when he was 3 years old.  For more information google “Michigan Doctor ICE.”

    The Democrats were right to demand an open amendment process in DACA.  I am glad that McConnell agreed to it.

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  16. J Climacus Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Over the weekend, the conservative Washington Examiner noted that a 43 year old Medical Doctor was detained by ICE. He had a Green Card. He was brought to the U.S when he was 3 years old. For more information google “Michigan Doctor ICE.”

    The Democrats were right to demand an open amendment process in DACA. I am glad that McConnell agreed to it.

    Not following. Because a 43 year old MD resident alien was inconvenienced by ICE, the entire Federal Government’s funding process should be held hostage to making sure that doesn’t happen again?

    If we are going to shutdown the Federal Government until our pet issues are resolved, I can think of things a lot higher on the priority list than making sure resident aliens suffer no inconvenience.

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  17. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    The Dems miscalculated in deciding to hold the health of American children hostage in exchange for getting special treatment for illegal immigrants.

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  18. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    Valiuth (View Comment):
    But, this means we will be doing all of this again in three weeks? doesn’t it? We are celebrating the can being kicked down the road and not even that far down.

    So what happens in February?

    It’s a total Dem cave.  The CR and the DACA vote in February are now two separate things so the Dems lost any leverage they thought they have.  All McConnell promised was a vote.  Since anything that reaches Trump’s desk needs approval of both House and Senate we are in good shape.  This kills Schumer’s strategy of getting a DACA deal on the cheap for merely a spurious future commitment to build The Wall (which itself should not be a high priority in a GOP immigration deal).

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  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    The Dems miscalculated in deciding to hold the health of American children hostage in exchange for getting special treatment for illegal immigrants.

    There is a massive distinction between the 10 million illegal aliens who came here as adults, and the 700,000 young adults who were brought here as children.  You undercut your argument by not noting that the limited issue is DACA and not people who came here as adults.

    • #19
  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    But, this means we will be doing all of this again in three weeks? doesn’t it? We are celebrating the can being kicked down the road and not even that far down.

    So what happens in February?

    It’s a total Dem cave. The CR and the DACA vote in February are now two separate things so the Dems lost any leverage they thought they have. All McConnell promised was a vote. Since anything that reaches Trump’s desk needs approval of both House and Senate we are in good shape. This kills Schumer’s strategy of getting a DACA deal on the cheap for merely a spurious future commitment to build The Wall (which itself should not be a high priority in a GOP immigration deal).

    McConnell not only promised a vote, he promised an open amendment process.

    • #20
  21. cdor Member
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    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Over the weekend, the conservative Washington Examiner noted that a 43 year old Medical Doctor was detained by ICE. He had a Green Card. He was brought to the U.S when he was 3 years old. For more information google “Michigan Doctor ICE.”

    The Democrats were right to demand an open amendment process in DACA. I am glad that McConnell agreed to it.

    Not following. Because a 43 year old MD resident alien was inconvenienced by ICE, the entire Federal Government’s funding process should be held hostage to making sure that doesn’t happen again?

    If we are going to shutdown the Federal Government until our pet issues are resolved, I can think of things a lot higher on the priority list than making sure resident aliens suffer no inconvenience.

    You bit. This is how a hijack begins.

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  22. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    But, this means we will be doing all of this again in three weeks? doesn’t it? We are celebrating the can being kicked down the road and not even that far down.

    So what happens in February?

    It’s a total Dem cave. The CR and the DACA vote in February are now two separate things so the Dems lost any leverage they thought they have. All McConnell promised was a vote. Since anything that reaches Trump’s desk needs approval of both House and Senate we are in good shape. This kills Schumer’s strategy of getting a DACA deal on the cheap for merely a spurious future commitment to build The Wall (which itself should not be a high priority in a GOP immigration deal).

    McConnell not only promised a vote, he promised an open amendment process.

    And that is fine.  Anything that comes out of it must pass the House.  I don’t think DACA gets through the House unless we also get chain migration, E verify, and visa lottery addressed and the Democrats will choke on this.

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  23. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    The Dems miscalculated in deciding to hold the health of American children hostage in exchange for getting special treatment for illegal immigrants.

    There is a massive distinction between the 10 million illegal aliens who came here as adults, and the 700,000 young adults who were brought here as children. You undercut your argument by not noting that the limited issue is DACA and not people who came here as adults.

    So you are okay with holding the health of American children hostage for 700,000 people here illegally?

    • #23
  24. Gary Robbins Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Over the weekend, the conservative Washington Examiner noted that a 43 year old Medical Doctor was detained by ICE. He had a Green Card. He was brought to the U.S when he was 3 years old. For more information google “Michigan Doctor ICE.”

    The Democrats were right to demand an open amendment process in DACA. I am glad that McConnell agreed to it.

    Not following. Because a 43 year old MD resident alien was inconvenienced by ICE, the entire Federal Government’s funding process should be held hostage to making sure that doesn’t happen again?

    If we are going to shutdown the Federal Government until our pet issues are resolved, I can think of things a lot higher on the priority list than making sure resident aliens suffer no inconvenience.

    You bit. This is how a hijack begins.

    This is not a hijack.  The issue before us is DACA.  A 43 year old medical doctor who was brought here from Poland when he was 3 years old pretty well fits the bill of why Dems refused to agree to cloture on Friday, and agreed to it today once an open amendment process was promised.

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  25. Gary Robbins Member
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    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    But, this means we will be doing all of this again in three weeks? doesn’t it? We are celebrating the can being kicked down the road and not even that far down.

    So what happens in February?

    It’s a total Dem cave. The CR and the DACA vote in February are now two separate things so the Dems lost any leverage they thought they have. All McConnell promised was a vote. Since anything that reaches Trump’s desk needs approval of both House and Senate we are in good shape. This kills Schumer’s strategy of getting a DACA deal on the cheap for merely a spurious future commitment to build The Wall (which itself should not be a high priority in a GOP immigration deal).

    McConnell not only promised a vote, he promised an open amendment process.

    And that is fine. Anything that comes out of it must pass the House. I don’t think DACA gets through the House unless we also get chain migration, E verify, and visa lottery addressed and the Democrats will choke on this.

    I have no problem with chain migration being prohibited, mandatory E-Verify, and ending the visa lottery.  If we get money to stop visa overstays, that would be a bonus.

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  26. The King Prawn Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    The Dems miscalculated in deciding to hold the health of American children hostage in exchange for getting special treatment for illegal immigrants.

    There is a massive distinction between the 10 million illegal aliens who came here as adults, and the 700,000 young adults who were brought here as children. You undercut your argument by not noting that the limited issue is DACA and not people who came here as adults.

    DACA is only the buzzword. It’s the camel’s nose under the tent. We could give them DACA cleanly and they would reject it.

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
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    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    The Dems miscalculated in deciding to hold the health of American children hostage in exchange for getting special treatment for illegal immigrants.

    There is a massive distinction between the 10 million illegal aliens who came here as adults, and the 700,000 young adults who were brought here as children. You undercut your argument by not noting that the limited issue is DACA and not people who came here as adults.

    So you are okay with holding the health of American children hostage for 700,000 people here illegally?

    I am okay with it, but not happy with it.  I am glad that it ended after only three days.  Now that there is an open amendment process, I look forward to CHIP be reauthorized for six years.

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  28. Gary Robbins Member
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    The King Prawn (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):
    The Dems miscalculated in deciding to hold the health of American children hostage in exchange for getting special treatment for illegal immigrants.

    There is a massive distinction between the 10 million illegal aliens who came here as adults, and the 700,000 young adults who were brought here as children. You undercut your argument by not noting that the limited issue is DACA and not people who came here as adults.

    DACA is only the buzzword. It’s the camel’s nose under the tent. We could give them DACA cleanly and they would reject it.

    Let’s test your hypothesis!

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  29. J Climacus Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    J Climacus (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Over the weekend, the conservative Washington Examiner noted that a 43 year old Medical Doctor was detained by ICE. He had a Green Card. He was brought to the U.S when he was 3 years old. For more information google “Michigan Doctor ICE.”

    The Democrats were right to demand an open amendment process in DACA. I am glad that McConnell agreed to it.

    Not following. Because a 43 year old MD resident alien was inconvenienced by ICE, the entire Federal Government’s funding process should be held hostage to making sure that doesn’t happen again?

    If we are going to shutdown the Federal Government until our pet issues are resolved, I can think of things a lot higher on the priority list than making sure resident aliens suffer no inconvenience.

    You bit. This is how a hijack begins.

    This is not a hijack. The issue before us is DACA. A 43 year old medical doctor who was brought here from Poland when he was 3 years old pretty well fits the bill of why Dems refused to agree to cloture on Friday, and agreed to it today once an open amendment process was promised.do

    The issue before us is continuing to fund the government. The Dems refused to allow it hoping to leverage the shutdown to force a resolution of one of their pet issues on their terms. The issue happened to be immigration, but it could have been anything. In fact, it would be anything. If Pres. Jeb Bush had preemptively surrendered on DACA (say, as soon as he was in office), the Dems would not have allowed the continuing resolution to sail through. They would have simply picked something else on which they would try to exploit a government shutdown. Never let a crisis go to waste an all that.

    That was the problem with all the preemptive surrendering Republicans have done for the last 10 years. It didn’t buy any good will or any willingness on Democrat’s part to compromise. It only solidified the Dem’s assessment of Republicans as chumps who are easily rolled.

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  30. Gumby Mark Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gumby Mark (View Comment):

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    But, this means we will be doing all of this again in three weeks? doesn’t it? We are celebrating the can being kicked down the road and not even that far down.

    So what happens in February?

    It’s a total Dem cave. The CR and the DACA vote in February are now two separate things so the Dems lost any leverage they thought they have. All McConnell promised was a vote. Since anything that reaches Trump’s desk needs approval of both House and Senate we are in good shape. This kills Schumer’s strategy of getting a DACA deal on the cheap for merely a spurious future commitment to build The Wall (which itself should not be a high priority in a GOP immigration deal).

    McConnell not only promised a vote, he promised an open amendment process.

    And that is fine. Anything that comes out of it must pass the House. I don’t think DACA gets through the House unless we also get chain migration, E verify, and visa lottery addressed and the Democrats will choke on this.

    I have no problem with chain migration being prohibited, mandatory E-Verify, and ending the visa lottery. If we get money to stop visa overstays, that would be a bonus.

    And the only way to get that is through a real deal which was not going to happen if you separate DACA from everything else.  We are apparently in agreement in the endpoint.  We differ on the means of getting there.

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