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This year Eau Claire County ended up $260,000 under budget on road de-icing. Don’t worry though, they’ll spend the money on extra road construction this summer.

They’re under budget because Wisconsin’s warm and dry November and December (relatively speaking) means they used less salt. Has anyone blamed Global Warming for government budgets getting cut? We should get on that.

In chemistry terms a solution of two different compounds freezes at a lower temperature than the pure liquid. How much lower depends on the ratio of the compounds. If it’s colder you need more salt to keep the water liquid. When you’re at 30 Fahrenheit one pound of salt will melt forty-six pounds six shillings of ice. At zero degrees you need exactly as many salt molecules as water molecules. (By design; Fahrenheit had that in mind when he made his scale. You don’t get that in commie degrees, do you?) After six below don’t bother; the water will freeze irregardless of how much salt you lard on.

Or you can just get it in Minecraft. (Wikimedia commons)

You can also preemptively salt down the roads. The theory is that the snow won’t adhere and will be easier to plow off, meaning you won’t have to use as much salt. Nobody has told the highway crews about that last bit.

Wisconsin being Wisconsin, there’s talk of using cheese brine to salt down the roads. (Hat tip to @DrewInWisconsin) Raise your hand if this shocks you. That’s what I thought.

There are three ways to produce salt: You can pump seawater onto dry land and wait for it to evaporate; you can go down in the mines and chip it out or you can pump water in and brine out. China produces the most salt, followed by the U.S. No surprises there. I didn’t find any numbers for proven salt reserves or peak salt. The U.S. government doesn’t even maintain a strategic salt stockpile. Someone get Paul Erlich on the line.

If you want to know more about salting roads for winter weather you can ask the Salt Institute, conveniently located in Naples, Florida. If you thought your humble salt shaker could get away without having a trade organization you thought wrong. They’re here to “analyze research and public policy, dispel inaccuracies in public knowledge, and foster increased understanding of the life enhancing qualities of salt” and chew bubblegum. Salty, salty bubblegum. I’ve been looking over their website pretty closely, but somehow I can’t find the line that says “Paid for by General Motors”. They must have hidden it well.

I could go on (too late!) but I’ve got to get up in the morning. It’s back to the salt mines for me.

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  1. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Coolidge

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):
    When I was going to UW-Eau Claire in the early 1980s . . .

    Wait what? Did we cross paths?

    I was there from September 1981 to May 1985. Business Major (MIS degree). Was on Cabin Committee and Film Committee for most of those years. I was a transfer student, so never lived in the dorms, although a good friend lived in KT for a couple years and I hung around there a lot. Used to play dominos there on weekend nights. I also worked at the K-Mart over on 53 and Clairemont in 84 and 85.

    Any of that ring a bell?

    Heh. No, probably not, then. I was there from 84 to 89. But thanks for bringing in some quality films. ; )

    • #31
    • January 16, 2018, at 7:14 PM PST
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  2. Percival Thatcher
    PercivalJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    No, no, no. Sudbury Neutrino was a utility infielder for the Seattle Pilots.

    • #32
    • January 16, 2018, at 8:01 PM PST
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  3. Percival Thatcher
    PercivalJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Spring training: 28 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes.

    • #33
    • January 16, 2018, at 8:03 PM PST
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  4. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member

    Percival (View Comment):
    Spring training: 28 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes.

    I had been considering asking for this update, thankfully I didn’t have to.

    • #34
    • January 16, 2018, at 8:04 PM PST
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  5. Ralphie Member

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):
    FYI-I keep a pump sprayer with a brine solution (22.3% salt by weight) at my house to pre-treat my sidewalks before snow storms. I like to treat with a light coating about 24 hours before a storm. We are getting nailed right now. Its been snowing all day with several inches of accumulation. My sidewalks are still clear. By the time I get home, the brine will have been diluted by snowfall to the point where it will have started to accumulate but it will be several inches less than my neighbors and scraping the snow up will be much easier as it can’t adhere to my sidewalk. It works great as long as it doesn’t rain between the time to spray and the snow starts. It also works to well below zero.

    We are going to have to try that. Thank you.

    • #35
    • January 17, 2018, at 6:09 AM PST
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  6. Ralphie Member

    Someone who believes that global warming made by man exists is Bjorn Lomborg, an economist who argues that all the climate policies come with trade offs which effect the poor disproportionatly. He has said that a warmer climate is a kinder climate.

    I don’t know why those that believe in climate change can’t acknowledge the damage man made policies have. Those don’t need to have hockey stick equations to explain. When the cost of something goes up, people have to either get more money or cut somewhere else.

    As Lomborg says, Africa uses the most renewable energy, and they are also the poorest continent in the world. https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/africa-needs-fossil-fuels-by-bj-rn-lomborg-2016-01?barrier=accessreg

    • #36
    • January 17, 2018, at 6:18 AM PST
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  7. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Hank Rhody, Bombast Savant (View Comment):

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):
    There are 1,500 acres of salt mines under Detroit at about 1,100 feet down, and they produce road salt by the ton.

    There’s an urban legend that the Windsor Salt Mine, across the river from Detroit, tunnels under the river to get at sweet Yankee salt.

    Sweet Yankee salt? Do they also go for the salty Yankee sugar beets?

    • #37
    • January 17, 2018, at 7:19 AM PST
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  8. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western ChauvinistJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Ralphie (View Comment):
    Someone who believes that global warming made by man exists is Bjorn Lomborg, an economist

    That’s relevant. I like Lomborg. I think he’s right about prioritizing people’s welfare over other considerations. But, he gives way too much credit to climate hysterics. The second you give into the idea that CO2 is a pollutant, you’re caught in their socialist snare. You can’t give these people an inch!

    • #38
    • January 17, 2018, at 7:20 AM PST
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  9. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Coolidge

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Ralphie (View Comment):
    Someone who believes that global warming made by man exists is Bjorn Lomborg, an economist

    That’s relevant. I like Lomborg. I think he’s right about prioritizing people’s welfare over other considerations. But, he gives way too much credit to climate hysterics. The second you give into the idea that CO2 is a pollutant, you’re caught in their socialist snare. You can’t give these people an inch!

    The true believers don’t like Lomborg anyway. He insists that extreme weather events have nothing to do with global warming. He says that global warming would actually cause less severe weather. The true believers don’t like that.

    • #39
    • January 17, 2018, at 7:34 AM PST
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  10. Western Chauvinist Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Ralphie (View Comment):
    Someone who believes that global warming made by man exists is Bjorn Lomborg, an economist

    That’s relevant. I like Lomborg. I think he’s right about prioritizing people’s welfare over other considerations. But, he gives way too much credit to climate hysterics. The second you give into the idea that CO2 is a pollutant, you’re caught in their socialist snare. You can’t give these people an inch!

    The true believers don’t like Lomborg anyway. He insists that extreme weather events have nothing to do with global warming. He says that global warming would actually cause less severe weather. The true believers don’t like that.

    Yeah, but that’s my point. He’s not an atmospheric scientist. He’s lending undeserved credibility to the claims of hysterics by proclaiming on a subject he can’t possibly know about either! The primary cause of “Global Warming” is all the hot air produced by people lacking the intellectual humility to say, “I don’t know.”

    • #40
    • January 17, 2018, at 8:00 AM PST
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  11. Misthiocracy got drunk and Member
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    Ralphie (View Comment):
    Someone who believes that global warming made by man exists is Bjorn Lomborg, an economist…

    Point of order: Lomborg is not an economist. His M.A. and PhD are in Political Science. He describes himself as a statistician.

    • #41
    • January 17, 2018, at 8:07 AM PST
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  12. Arahant Member

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    The primary cause of “Global Warming” is all the hot air produced by people lacking the intellectual humility to say, “I don’t know.”

    The primary cause of global warming and global cooling is the nearest star.

    • #42
    • January 17, 2018, at 8:57 AM PST
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  13. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    The primary cause of “Global Warming” is all the hot air produced by people lacking the intellectual humility to say, “I don’t know.”

    The primary cause of global warming and global cooling is the nearest star.

    That’s probably true, and how you know that “climate scientists” who poo poo solar effects right off the bat are neither humble nor serious.

    • #43
    • January 17, 2018, at 9:07 AM PST
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  14. Ralphie Member

    Misthiocracy, Joke Pending (View Comment):

    Ralphie (View Comment):
    Someone who believes that global warming made by man exists is Bjorn Lomborg, an economist…

    Point of order: Lomborg is not an economist. His M.A. and PhD are in Political Science. He describes himself as a statistician.

    Thanks for the update, he talks a lot about the economics of what those policies do to the poor in return for basically nothing for the earth.

    Milt Friedman once said something like it doesn’t take a degree to be an economist, some are naturals at it? Or something like that.

    • #44
    • January 22, 2018, at 1:14 PM PST
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