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President Trump and Steve Bannon, his former strategist, have come to verbal blows. It began earlier today when Bannon attacked Paul Manafort and several of the president’s family members in the pre-release of a new book, Fire and Fury, by Michael Wolff. Hours later, the president hit back in an official statement:

Steve Bannon has nothing to do with me or my Presidency. When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind. Steve was a staffer who worked for me after I had already won the nomination by defeating seventeen candidates, often described as the most talented field ever assembled in the Republican party. Now that he is on his own, Steve is learning that winning isn’t as easy as I make it look. Steve had very little to do with our historic victory, which was delivered by the forgotten men and women of this country. Yet Steve had everything to do with the loss of a Senate seat in Alabama held for more than thirty years by Republicans. Steve doesn’t represent my base—he’s only in it for himself.

Trump repudiating Bannon is unambiguously a good thing. Bannon is a nasty piece of work with — President Trump excepted — a nearly perfect record of picking political losers. Appointing him as senior counselor to the president was a terrible idea. Firing him back in August, however, was a step in the right direction. Repudiating him now is even better.

For those who don’t like Bannon and want to see him and his blood-and-soil toryism scurry back under the nearest available rock, there are two options:

  1. Intersperse self-righteous I-told-you-sos at the president’s expense with jokes about needing to make popcorn;
  2. Say — loudly, unambiguously, and simply — that the president is doing the right thing and that you’re rooting for him.

Lest there be any confusion, only one of these is a good idea for our country (Hint: It’s not the first!)

All presidents respond to incentives, Trump more so than others. That can be a good thing and worked to our advantage. With pleasure, then:

Well done, Mr. President. Give it to him hard!

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  1. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    • #1
    • January 3, 2018, at 12:00 PM PST
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  2. Curt North Inactive

    Bannon was always a head-scratcher to me, clearly an intelligent guy but seemingly always ready to pick a fight, sometime with whoever is in the room and for whatever reason. Trump looks to me like he was ready to leave well enough alone, but Bannon’s new book and the crazed accusations of treason within it forced Trump to fire with both barrels. Hopefully Trump with let Bannon scream at the sky, ignore him, and not be tempted to stoop down to to fight him anymore.

    Trump won, Bannon lost (and continues to lose). President Trump should move on.

    • #2
    • January 3, 2018, at 12:16 PM PST
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  3. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Curt North (View Comment):
    Bannon was always a head-scratcher to me, clearly an intelligent guy but seemingly always ready to pick a fight, sometime with whoever is in the room and for whatever reason. Trump looks to me like he was ready to leave well enough alone, but Bannon’s new book and the crazed accusations of treason within it forced Trump to fire with both barrels. Hopefully Trump with let Bannon scream at the sky, ignore him, and not be tempted to stoop down to to fight him anymore.

    Trump won, Bannon lost (and continues to lose). President Trump should move on.

    Bannon is probably a head-scratcher to himself. I mean look at the guy. Buy a Harry’s razor for gosh-sakes!

    • #3
    • January 3, 2018, at 12:20 PM PST
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  4. Susan Quinn Contributor

    I choose #2! Although I’m not wild about everything he says in the statement. Maybe he’s learned that the qualities of the people he picks for his administration really are important. Not just his choices for SCOTUS.

    • #4
    • January 3, 2018, at 12:31 PM PST
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  5. Arahant Member

    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen: [Quoting Trump] “Now that he is on his own, Steve is learning that winning isn’t as easy as I make it look.”

    My, my, my!

    • #5
    • January 3, 2018, at 12:31 PM PST
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  6. Brian Watt Member
    Brian WattJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Rich Lowry at National Review is not a friend of Mr. Bannon…apparently.

    His parting shot:

    There are evil geniuses; then there are sleazy hacks who believe their own press. Guess which one Steve Bannon is?

    • #6
    • January 3, 2018, at 12:46 PM PST
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  7. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Contributor

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    I choose #2!

    You chose wisely! Mindy Finn — McMullin’s former running-mate and present fellow scold — however, appears to have chosen… unwisely.

    I know: You’re all shocked.

    • #7
    • January 3, 2018, at 12:54 PM PST
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  8. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Contributor

    And no, I don’t follow Finn on Twitter.

    • #8
    • January 3, 2018, at 12:54 PM PST
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  9. The Cloaked Gaijin Member

    Bannon seemed okay as a balancing force against some of the Washington insiders. Who needs a bunch of councilors who all provide the same opinion? I could never understand why Bannon was given much of anything to do with foreign policy. However, I also wonder what Jared Kushner’s foreign policy qualifications are supposed to be.

    I hate most international organizations. Most seem to hate the United States, Israel, capitalism, Bill of Rights freedoms, Christianity, Western civilization, technology which promotes independence and privacy, and the common ordinary citizen, but I am more hawkish than some conservatives/libertarians.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 1:08 PM PST
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  10. CB Toder aka Mama Toad Member
    CB Toder aka Mama ToadJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Glad this popped up quickly to the Main Feed so it can be easily shared.

    (Well done, Mr. Meyer!)

    • #10
    • January 3, 2018, at 1:09 PM PST
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  11. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western ChauvinistJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen: [Quoting Trump] “Now that he is on his own, Steve is learning that winning isn’t as easy as I make it look.”

    My, my, my!

    Hoo! That made me LOL — hard! So Trumpian.

    • #11
    • January 3, 2018, at 1:10 PM PST
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  12. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western ChauvinistJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen: For those who don’t like Bannon and want to see him and his blood-and-soil toryism

    Really? You think that’s a fair characterization? I think it comes within a hair’s breadth of repeating the Left’s narrative about all Republicans (sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, and bigoted).

    Bannon calls his outlook “economic nationalism.” You may disagree with him, but I suspect, like Trump, your objection is more about style and method, and there’s actually quite a lot of overlap between your and Bannon’s policy goals.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 1:19 PM PST
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  13. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Contributor

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen: For those who don’t like Bannon and want to see him and his blood-and-soil toryism

    Really? You think that’s a fair characterization?

    Yes.

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    You may disagree with him, but I suspect, like Trump, your objection is more about style and method, and there’s actually quite a lot of overlap between your and Bannon’s policy goals.

    Sure, there’s some overlap, but not as much as that. Bannon’s trade policies and mine are directly at odds with each other. More generally, I want the government to protect our liberties, defend our interests, and then shut up; Bannon wants to use it for some kind of counter-culture war and I’m not interested.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 1:25 PM PST
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  14. Guruforhire Member

    Makes me wonder what he told mueller.

    • #14
    • January 3, 2018, at 1:52 PM PST
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  15. Basil Fawlty Member
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    I sorta like Bannon. At least more than I like those who don’t.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 2:07 PM PST
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  16. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):
    More generally, I want the government to protect our liberties, defend our interests, and then shut up; Bannon wants to use it for some kind of counter-culture war and I’m not interested.

    If one side will use the government for culture warfare and the other side will not, then the other side will lose the culture war.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 3:17 PM PST
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  17. Hoyacon Member

    Loose cannons like Bannon should not be in the White House, and I’m trying to be consistent with what I said/wrote around the time of his appointment.

    Still, Bannon has been accused regularly of being a white nationalist, and, occasionally, of being an anti-Semite (Ben Shapiro says “no”). His quote from who knows when to Mother Jones about making Breitbart the “platform of the alt.right” has shown up in dozens of articles (about half of them by David French seemingly). Yet when I’ve asked for actual evidence of his “leanings,” I get . . . a nothingburger. So I don’t know what to think.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 3:25 PM PST
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  18. BalticSnowTiger Inactive

    Did he liaise with the Mercer’s before such coup de grâce?

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    • January 3, 2018, at 3:31 PM PST
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  19. BalticSnowTiger Inactive

    Guruforhire (View Comment):
    Makes me wonder what he told mueller.

    Was there any interview of such kind? Has is been confirmed?

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    • January 3, 2018, at 3:34 PM PST
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  20. BalticSnowTiger Inactive

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen: For those who don’t like Bannon and want to see him and his blood-and-soil toryism

    Really? You think that’s a fair characterization? I think it comes within a hair’s breadth of repeating the Left’s narrative about all Republicans (sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophobic, racist, and bigoted).

    Bannon calls his outlook “economic nationalism.” You may disagree with him, but I suspect, like Trump, your objection is more about style and method, and there’s actually quite a lot of overlap between your and Bannon’s policy goals.

    Agreed. Though, just having worked for an investment bank does not necessarily imbue wisdom, generate self-earned wealth or render you leader of nations, either. As much as we cheer on those who fight with us we shall always recognise miscreants, man with ire, and malevolents. Whereas his instinct as to China being a main adversary remains certainly shared Mr. Bannon who may have felt more than thought such way had decided to follow rather deluded ideas as to trade and economics, defence and war many moons ago. We thank the sergeant for his service which he certainly rendered versus the evils of the American elitist left and he shall step back. Unfortunately, for his lack of style, he will not. Expect more vile, acerbic prose and media exposure.

    This is why I asked whether the Mercer’s have been contacted before or at at least in the meantime.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 3:47 PM PST
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  21. Stina Member

    I like Trump’s statement and it’s nice to see you approving that Trump turned his Twitter ire to an adversary that makes his Twitter usage worthwhile.

    Perhaps you will have a more understanding view of those who enjoy his usage of it against the media, a far more threatening adversary than a kicked out dude with an increasingly marginalized news site.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 4:11 PM PST
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  22. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):
    Bannon’s trade policies and mine are directly at odds with each other.

    This has been a cudgel used against Trump and Bannon by the anti-Trumpers from the get-go. I’d like to know what, specifically, you mean.

    I think the libertarian ideal of “free trade” would actually necessitate the elimination of all trade deals, because any parties entering a trade deal are representing their (narrow) interests and are not promoting free exchange between individuals (and corporations). It’s fairly typically unrealistic libertarian utopianism.

    Whereas Trump (and Bannon) have the more realistic view that we’ve been making trade deals which benefit everyone except us and “our” (probably the most frequently used word in Trump’s vocabulary) American workers. It’s about time someone at the head of government is on our side.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 4:55 PM PST
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  23. barbara lydick Inactive

    The saddest thing of all was him taking over Breitbart’s operation. He is the antithesis of Andrew’s cheerfulness and desire for inclusiveness.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 5:21 PM PST
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  24. GFHandle Member

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    Really? You think that’s a fair characterization?

    Exactly my question. “But Bannon has explicitly rejected a nationalism based on ethnicity,” I thought. “Or maybe the poster knows something I don’t about him.”

    Further, when someone tell someone to crawl under a rock, I get nervous. I’d reserve that for the truly inhuman amongst us.

    Still, anyone who thinks Roy Moore is a good bet…

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    • January 3, 2018, at 5:35 PM PST
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  25. Gary Robbins Reagan

    barbara lydick (View Comment):
    The saddest thing of all was him taking over Breitbart’s operation. He is the antithesis of Andrew’s cheerfulness and desire for inclusiveness.

    Andrew Breitbart was a great man, and I loved reading his work. It is beyond sad that he passed away and that his name has been commandeered by Bannon et.al.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 6:25 PM PST
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  26. lowtech redneck Coolidge

    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen: For those who don’t like Bannon and want to see him and his blood-and-soil toryism

    Really? You think that’s a fair characterization?

    Yes.

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    You may disagree with him, but I suspect, like Trump, your objection is more about style and method, and there’s actually quite a lot of overlap between your and Bannon’s policy goals.

    More generally, I want the government to protect our liberties, defend our interests, and then shut up; Bannon wants to use it for some kind of counter-culture war and I’m not interested.

    That’s how you got Steve Bannon in the first place.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 7:22 PM PST
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  27. lowtech redneck Coolidge

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):
    I sorta like Bannon. At least more than I like those who don’t.

    I don’t like or trust Bannon, I just hate him less than most of the viable alternatives.

    Still, this seems like a massive overreach for him; Tucker Carlson might be in a position to capitalize.

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    • January 3, 2018, at 7:30 PM PST
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  28. Mendel Member
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    I’ll stick up for Bannon (sort of) and disagree with my friend Tom on this one.

    I don’t understand the paranoia and garment-rending over Bannon among mainstream conservative journalists (like Jonah Goldberg, who has singled out Bannon for personal attack on most episodes of his otherwise great podcast). They paint Bannon as some Bond villain with his finger hovering over a doomsday machine that can destroy the entire conservative movement with the press of one button.

    Bannon doesn’t pose a threat to anything or anyone, save perhaps his local Goodwill when they get a new donation of tweed jackets.

    Bannon is simply a shrewd, patriotic businessman who recognized that a bloc of consumers who have been around since at least the end of WWII (i.e. the loose group now termed the “alt-right”) was being underserved in the media/commentary market. He then slightly tweaked an existing media platform which was already nearly a perfect fit for these consumers and it went gangbusters. He didn’t create anything and he’s shown no sign of being a capable power player or kingmaker. He simply acts as a conduit to match existing demand with existing supply.

    Furthermore, Trump’s denouncement of Bannon is not what Tom should really want: a denouncement of Bannon’s (and Breitbart’s) political worldview. Trump is merely attacking his former colleague for disloyalty, not for his political leanings (requisite snark: does Trump even know what Bannon’s political leanings are?). This is merely Trump again showing that he’s a sore winner.

    I have no doubt that Trump would fully embrace the Breitbart worldview in an instant if he found it politically expedient.

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    • January 4, 2018, at 1:35 AM PST
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  29. Brian Watt Member
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    Mendel (View Comment):
    I’ll stick up for Bannon (sort of) and disagree with my friend Tom on this one.

    I don’t understand the paranoia and garment-rending over Bannon among mainstream conservative journalists (like Jonah Goldberg, who has singled out Bannon for personal attack on most episodes of his otherwise great podcast). They paint Bannon as some Bond villain with his finger hovering over a doomsday machine that can destroy the entire conservative movement with the press of one button.

    Bannon doesn’t pose a threat to anything or anyone, save perhaps his local Goodwill when they get a new donation of tweed jackets.

    Bannon is simply a shrewd, patriotic businessman who recognized that a bloc of consumers who have been around since at least the end of WWII (i.e. the loose group now termed the “alt-right”) was being underserved in the media/commentary market. He then slightly tweaked an existing media platform which was already nearly a perfect fit for these consumers and it went gangbusters. He didn’t create anything and he’s shown no sign of being a capable power player or kingmaker. He simply acts as a conduit to match existing demand with existing supply.

    Furthermore, Trump’s denouncement of Bannon is not what Tom should really want: a denouncement of Bannon’s (and Breitbart’s) political worldview. Trump is merely attacking his former colleague for disloyalty, not for his political leanings (requisite snark: does Trump even know what Bannon’s political leanings are?). This is merely Trump again showing that he’s a sore winner.

    I have no doubt that Trump would fully embrace the Breitbart worldview in an instant if he found it politically expedient.

    Calling Trump’s son treasonous wasn’t taken lightly by the president…for some reason. Bannon’s arrogant and nasty reputation preceded him before joining the Trump campaign and being appointed a White House advisor. He has arguably sullied Andrew Breitbart’s legacy and reputation with his stewardship of Breitbart.com turning a once promising venture into a dishonest rag…dishonesty recently admitted to by its own editor. Bannon is profoundly impressed with his own presumed intellectual prowess and charismatic appeal (perhaps after he washes his hair, shaves and looks at himself in the mirror) and is even considering running for president himself…because, you know, millions of Americans were waiting and praying for the day that he would announce his run for the presidency. He is an ego unchained and run amok.

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    • January 4, 2018, at 8:43 AM PST
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  30. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Contributor

    Mendel (View Comment):
    I don’t understand the paranoia and garment-rending over Bannon among mainstream conservative journalists (like Jonah Goldberg, who has singled out Bannon for personal attack on most episodes of his otherwise great podcast).

    I’m going to retract the bolded below:

    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):

    Sure, there’s some overlap, but not as much as that. Bannon’s trade policies and mine are directly at odds with each other. More generally, I want the government to protect our liberties, defend our interests, and then shut up; Bannon wants to use it for some kind of counter-culture war and I’m not interested.

    If taking an interview like this, I find myself nodding along for about 75% of the time saying things like “Sure, sure. Not how I’d put it, but close enough. The thing is, those things are pretty uncontroversial and — as I read him — aren’t really what excites Bannon.

    Bannon’s basic schtick is that normal people are constantly getting screwed over by elitist cabals. I think this is largely incorrect as he describes it and pretty damned toxic. Doubly so considering how consistently eager he is to align with illiberal elements like the alt-right and the National Front. Weirdly — especially since he should know better — he blames the Financial Crisis solely on the greedy banks without a word about how the government was doing all it could to encourage them to make irresponsible loans.

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    • January 4, 2018, at 12:40 PM PST
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