Recommended by Ricochet Members Created with Sketch. Don’t Ask Feminists What Women Really Want — They Haven’t a Clue

 

What with all the sex scandals populating the news, I pour myself a refreshing cup of schadenfreude each morning when reading which lefty has been taken to the shed by his comrades in the previous 24 hours. Tuesday’s entry was Charlie Rose, who received the caning from his CBS “This Morning” co-hosts, Gayle King and Nora O’Donnell, who said:

‘”Let me be clear: There is no excuse for this alleged behavior.” She added: “This I know is true: Women cannot achieve equality in the workplace or society until there is reckoning.” She also said: “This will be investigated. This has to end. This behavior is wrong, period.”‘

Whoop, there it is! The Left’s holy grail — eQuALiTy!

I dunno, but it seems to me any woman who’s made it past, oh, 25 should have realized the last thing she wants is “equality” with men, God bless ’em!

C’mon ladies, think about it. What you really want for yourself or your daughter is the opportunity to carry a 50-lb. pack into combat? You want your daughter to have one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet where she might, say, find herself keelhauled behind a fishing trawler in the North Atlantic? You want to be so libidinous, you inadvertently (or advertently) humiliate yourself and others in private and, sometimes, in public, with uncontrolled animal behavior? You want to die five to 10 years sooner, be less likely to attend or graduate from college, be more likely to commit suicide? I don’t think so.

Ladies (and gents), listen up. What women really want is to be treated with the dignity of a child of God, which happens to be what men want, too, although it may have a different expression. Women want to be cherished. There. I said it.

Women have some sense of their physical and emotional vulnerability — or they definitely will if and when they decide to have babies — and, on some level, they realize they want men to honor that, to be protective of them, and to provide for them. Good men exhibit these behaviors toward all women, even the ones they’re not married to, whenever they see that a woman is vulnerable. This is called being a “gentleman.” Bad men take advantage of women’s vulnerability and act out. This is called being Bill Clinton.

I suspect men really want to be respected and admired for being good men — for protecting and providing for their wife and family, and for their accomplishments in their careers. My ideas about this come from my own 50-mumble-mumble years of experience on the planet, and from believing in the biblical consequences of The Fall:

16 To the woman he said: I shall give you intense pain in childbearing, you will give birth to your children in pain. Your yearning will be for your husband, and he will dominate you.

17 To the man he said, ‘Because you listened to the voice of your wife and ate from the tree of which I had forbidden you to eat, Accursed be the soil because of you! Painfully will you get your food from it as long as you live.

18 It will yield you brambles and thistles, as you eat the produce of the land.

19 By the sweat of your face will you earn your food, until you return to the ground, as you were taken from it. For dust you are and to dust you shall return.

The woman desires her husband’s protection and provision, especially as related to procreation, and finds her happiness in relation to a good man, for whom she yearns. And the man labors his whole life to provide for himself and his family — and, by implication, receives his satisfaction from it.

If you feel you’re an exception to this, you’re just that. An exception. Or, a lefty. Or, a feminist. But, I repeat…

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  1. Kevin Schulte Member

    Sing it WC.

    If we had a nation full of ladies that thought like this. We would have a nation of chivalrous men and pajamas boys would be hiding under rocks in shame.

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    • November 21, 2017, at 9:27 AM PST
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  2. Mate De Inactive

    Feminists don’t really want equality. They want all the things men have, all while keeping their female privilege. Sounds more like female supremacy instead of equality. The careerist feminists have been pushing the idea that women need to be “better represented” in the workforce, but they want better representation in the prestigous jobs. We need more women at Goldman Sacs or Google. I never hear the feminist complaining about the amount of women in sanitation or construction. They are so full of it. Basically they want men to act like women. The feminists are destroying male/ female relationships and it is pretty obvious that men have the short end of the stick these days but these chicks won’t admit it.

    Check out Tucker Carlson interviewing Princess Ivanka on her push for the tax plan and how she poo-poos Tucker’s assertion that men are actually the ones who are more disadvantaged than women are these day.

    The comments I am referring to start around the 2 minute mark.

    https://youtu.be/FOG_9HzWfi0

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    • November 21, 2017, at 9:30 AM PST
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  3. Songwriter Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):
    I never hear the feminist complaining about the amount of women in sanitation or construction.

    A wonderful point. Made me smile…

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    • November 21, 2017, at 9:43 AM PST
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  4. drlorentz Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):
    Princess Ivanka

    These whippersnappers! What do they know about life? She’s just repeating what she learned in school. Zero independent thinking or introspection.

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    • November 21, 2017, at 9:44 AM PST
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  5. drlorentz Member
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    Western Chauvinist: Whoop, there it is! The Left’s holy grail — eQuALiTy!

    I love that rANsOm nOtE spelling. Somehow, it fits the topic.

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    • November 21, 2017, at 9:46 AM PST
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  6. Ray Gunner Coolidge

    Mate De (View Comment):
    Feminists don’t really want equality. They want all the things men have, all while keeping their female privilege. Sounds more like female supremacy instead of equality.

    Wow, that’s well put. I does seem that what feminists really want is to invert the privileges of “The Patriarchy,” not wipe them out.

    Mate De (View Comment):
    We need more women at Goldman Sacs or Google. I never hear the feminist complaining about the amount of women in sanitation or construction.

    So true, and doesn’t this really give feminists away–that gender parity only seems to matter in high prestige occupations? Pest control is a $13B/yr industry, but you will never hear a feminist complain that not enough of our daughters are crawling under houses.

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    • November 21, 2017, at 10:29 AM PST
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  7. James Gawron Thatcher
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    Western Chauvinist: The woman desires her husband’s protection and provision, especially as related to procreation, and finds her happiness in relation to a good man, for whom she yearns. And the man labors his whole life to provide for himself and his family — and, by implication, receives his satisfaction from it.

    WestC,

    At the Friday evening Shabbos meal, a number of prayers are recited before the start of the meal. One of them is Eshet Chayil (A Woman of Valor). Usually, a husband sings this prayer to his wife.

    A woman of valor, who can find? Her worth is far above jewels. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and nothing shall he lack. She renders him good and not evil all the days of her life. She opens her hand to the needy, and extends her hand to the poor. She is robed in strength and dignity, and cheerfully faces whatever may come. She opens her mouth with wisdom. Her tongue is guided by kindness. She tends to the affairs of her household, and eats not the bread of idleness. Her children come forward and bless her. Her husband too, and he praises her. Many women have done superbly, but you surpass them all. Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a God-fearing woman is much to be praised. Place before her the fruit of her hands. Wherever people gather, her deeds speak her praise.

    The prayer is well over 2,500, years old.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • November 21, 2017, at 11:32 AM PST
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  8. Western Chauvinist Member
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    James Gawron (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist: The woman desires her husband’s protection and provision, especially as related to procreation, and finds her happiness in relation to a good man, for whom she yearns. And the man labors his whole life to provide for himself and his family — and, by implication, receives his satisfaction from it.

    WestC,

    At the Friday evening Shabbos meal, a number of prayers are recited before the start of the meal. One of them is Eshet Chayil (A Woman of Valor). Usually, a husband sings this prayer to his wife.

    A woman of valor, who can find? Her worth is far above jewels. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and nothing shall he lack. She renders him good and not evil all the days of her life. She opens her hand to the needy, and extends her hand to the poor. She is robed in strength and dignity, and cheerfully faces whatever may come. She opens her mouth with wisdom. Her tongue is guided by kindness. She tends to the affairs of her household, and eats not the bread of idleness. Her children come forward and bless her. Her husband too, and he praises her. Many women have done superbly, but you surpass them all. Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a God-fearing woman is much to be praised. Place before her the fruit of her hands. Wherever people gather, her deeds speak her praise.

    The prayer is well over 2,500, years old.

    Regards,

    Jim

    As is the wisdom. Thanks, Jim.

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    • November 21, 2017, at 11:38 AM PST
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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor

    Western Chauvinist: Ladies (and gents), listen up. What women really want is to be treated with the dignity of a child of God, which happens to be what men want, too, although it may have a different expression. Women want to be cherished. There. I said it.

    Loved the OP, but especially loved this comment. Well said, WC.

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    • November 21, 2017, at 11:54 AM PST
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  10. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Mate De (View Comment):
    … The careerist feminists have been pushing the idea that women need to be “better represented” in the workforce, but they want better representation in the prestigous jobs. We need more women at Goldman Sacs or Google. I never hear the feminist complaining about the amount of women in sanitation or construction. They are so full of it….

    Check out Tucker Carlson interviewing Princess Ivanka on her push for the tax plan and how she poo-poos Tucker’s assertion that men are actually the ones who are more disadvantaged than women are these day.

    The comments I am referring to start around the 2 minute mark.

    Yes, exactly! Women should give up the “low prestige” traditional jobs like caring for the sick (nursing) and educating the young (teaching) and pursue STEM careers. Bah! I’m so sick of this drivel, and I’m a STEM graduate! I might still be employable if I had gotten a Math (instead of EE) degree and sought a teaching certificate. It might actually have worked with my family life. I bought the feminist lie.

    I suspect it’s mostly non-STEM women and men who push this idea of “we must have more women in STEM!!” I also suspect STEM women secretly don’t want 50% of their colleagues to be women (working for women is usually a bitch)! Being a woman engineer makes you “special” and, generally, pursued by engineering firms (which want to signal their feminist virtue). And, as everyone knows, if everyone is special, no one is special.

    Not everyone has a STEM brain, and that’s the way God intended it! I don’t write poetry, but my sister does, and she’s a way more accomplished poet that I am an engineer (although, an engineering background comes in handy when it’s time to help the kids with their Math and Science homework). Men are, generally, better at engineering, too, in my experience. For one thing, I know very few women engineers who read IEEE publications for recreation…

    Feminists are very good at making women and men unhappy, but that’s about it.

    P.S. Is anyone else uncomfortable with Ivanka’s “our administration” language? Yikes! The royal “We.”

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  11. Profile Photo Member

    Mate De (View Comment):
    I never hear the feminist complaining about the amount of women in sanitation or construction. They are so full of it. Basically they want men to act like women.

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  12. Vicryl Contessa Thatcher

    The more “equal” we try to make the sexes- the more we try to pretend there are no inherent differences- the more unhappy we become. Denying the differences robs us of our unique abilities and talents.

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  13. I Walton Member

    None of you understand this gospel. Abuse of power will end. Think about it, Lord Acton, it’s over. We can confidently allow these folks to have the totalitarian power they so desperately crave and they wont abuse it. We have their word.

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  14. Mark Wilson Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    For one thing, I know very few women engineers who read IEEE publications for recreation…

    The vast majority of my close friends are engineers, about 50/50 men and women. I have observed that the men love to geek out and talk shop in our free time, over beers or on weekends. The women hate talking about engineering outside of work and complain when we do. It’s almost a 1:1 correlation.

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  15. Ontheleftcoast Member

    As the work of Stacey McCain has demonstrated in his blog and on Medium, “equality” is a smokescreen. This is representative:

    Having destroyed “patriarchal power,” through laws and policies that undermined the marriage-based family, feminists thereby abolished the incentives to responsible behavior both for men and women. If the consequences of “escape from the patriarchal institution,” as exemplified by the adventures of Desmond Hatchett, et al., aren’t quite what Professor Jaggar and her comrades had in mind, so what? From its inception, the goals of the feminist movement were entirely destructive, without regard for what would follow the destruction of “tyranny” and “male privilege.”

    But what about equality? Isn’t this what feminism is supposed to be about? Actually, no — “equality” was merely a slogan used to persuade the masses to support feminists in their destructive crusade. This was emphasized last year by Canadian feminist Meghan Murphy, who denounced a self-proclaimed “male feminist” as similar to “men’s rights activists” (MRAs):

    “Claiming that ‘feminism’ is actually about ‘gender equality’ is exactly what allows MRAs to pretend ‘reverse sexism’ is real and to pretend our movement is just as much about men’s rights as women’s. The reason we name ‘women’ in feminism is because women are the class oppressed by men. And we aren’t seeking equality with men, we are seeking an end to male power and to gender, in and of itself.”

    Because their actual goal is the destruction of “male power,” without regard to “gender equality” — and certainly with no concern for “men’s rights” — feminists will endorse any policy which is anti-male, even though such policies don’t necessarily benefit women. Abolishing “gender, in and of itself” (notice that Murphy’s words in 2016 echoed Firestone’s in 1970) means that feminists advocate androgyny, as Dworkin made clear: “The discovery is, of course, that ‘man’ and ‘woman’ are fictions, caricatures, cultural constructs. As models they are reductive, totalitarian, inappropriate to human becoming. As roles they are static, demeaning to the female, dead-ended for male and female both.” Insofar as feminism seeks “equality,” this is to be achieved by eradicating any meaningful differences between male and female. People can only be radically equal if they are exactly identical.

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  16. Trink Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist: Good men exhibit these behaviors toward all women, even the ones they’re not married to, whenever they see that a woman is vulnerable. This is called being a “gentleman.”

    This brings to mind Peggy Noonan’s regret that as a young “feminist” she’d spurned an older man who offered to help her put her suitcase in an overhead bin on an airplane. She had brusquely retorted that she” . . could do it herself!”

    I remember when women spurned gentlemen’s efforts to hold open doors for them.

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  17. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Mark Wilson (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    For one thing, I know very few women engineers who read IEEE publications for recreation…

    The vast majority of my close friends are engineers, about 50/50 men and women. I have observed that the men love to geek out and talk shop in our free time, over beers or on weekends. The women hate talking about engineering outside of work and complain when we do. It’s almost a 1:1 correlation.

    Thank you for affirming my sense of it.

    When I was in school, the guys would even go home and rebuild their oscilloscopes in their off-time. Just for fun! Then they’d run Christmas music through them to watch the funny squiggles while singing along… Nerds.

    Okay, maybe I made that last part up, but they definitely played with their oscilloscopes. The women I went to school with didn’t own their own oscilloscopes. I’d say that’s telling.

    Dudes love enginerding. For Mr. C., it’s as natural as breathing and eating.

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  18. Trink Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    I’m a STEM graduate! I might still be employable if I had gotten a Math (instead of EE) degree

    Yes, but I’m still bragging about the fact that you graduated at the top of your class :)

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  19. Hypatia Inactive

    This is a very difficult idea to express, but what do you think is the difference between what men and women want out of sex?

    I think women can’t really enjoy themselves unless they feel desired–yuh, “special”, trite as it sounds.

    I don’t think men care. In the heat of the moment, they’re only thinking about the object, the pulchritude of the woman. The man savors the woman’s body, the woman savors the man’s passion. 

    I don’t sit around thinking how great it would be to get it on with a 25 year old guy. The prospect of that just doesn’t turn me on. Anybody? ( I mean, of course, unless you’re a woman of that age yourself!)

    Both men and women fall in love; then it’s all personal. But the kind of interaction we’re reading about, where a man forces himself upon or wants to masturbate in front of a woman he doesn’t even know–I wonder if there are many women who find the thought of being the aggressor in that kind of situation titillating? Women used to openly admit they had fantasies about being the victim! That was also puzzling to me, but it highlights la difference…..I never heard of any straight guy who fantasizes about the passive, helpless rôle.

    i think this is the reason why we rarely hear about female superiors sexually harassing younger male employees ((though@goldwaterwoman did have a great story about that a few days ago! )

    Is this just me?

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  20. Trink Coolidge
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    Hypatia (View Comment):
    Is this just me?

    Your comments are always interesting and thought-provoking. Uniquely “you”. And you used the “m” word that I’ve never said out loud ;P

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  21. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Trink (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    I’m a STEM graduate! I might still be employable if I had gotten a Math (instead of EE) degree

    Yes, but I’m still bragging about the fact that you graduated at the top of your class :)

    Near the top, Sis. Maybe fourth. But who’s counting?

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  22. RightAngles Member

    Hypatia (View Comment):
    This is a very difficult idea to express, but what do you think is the difference between what men and women want out of sex?

    I think women can’t really enjoy themselves unless they feel desired–yuh, “special”, trite as it sounds.

    I don’t think men care. In the heat of the moment, they’re only thinking about the object, the pulchritude of the woman. The man savors the woman’s body, the woman savors the man’s passion.

    I don’t sit around thinking how great it would be to get it on with a 25 year old guy. The prospect of that just doesn’t turn me on. Anybody? ( I mean, of course, unless you’re a woman of that age yourself!)

    Both men and women fall in love; then it’s all personal. But the kind of interaction we’re reading about, where a man forces himself upon or wants to masturbate in front of a woman he doesn’t even know–I wonder if there are many women who find the thought of being the aggressor in that kind of situation titillating? Women used to openly admit they had fantasies about being the victim! That was also puzzling to me, but it highlights la difference…..I never heard of any straight guy who fantasizes about the passive, helpless rôle.

    i think this is the reason why we rarely hear about female superiors sexually harassing younger male employees ((though@goldwaterwoman did have a great story about that a few days ago! )

    Is this just me?

    The reason for this is that men don’t care what they look like. They only care what we look like. Men go to strip clubs and actually believe they have a chance with that 24-year-old girl on the pole. While women go to see the Chippendales etc for bachelorette parties, they don’t think they have a chance with those men. Men have no idea that we might actually be noticing that they’re a fat ugly old man with the muscle tone of a bowl of mashed potatoes. It’s the Dark Side of Self-Esteem.

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  23. tigerlily Member

    Great post – Thanks WC!

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  24. Hypatia Inactive

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):
    This is a very difficult idea to express, but what do you think is the difference between what men and women want out of sex?

    I think women can’t really enjoy themselves unless they feel desired–yuh, “special”, trite as it sounds.

    I don’t think men care. In the heat of the moment, they’re only thinking about the object, the pulchritude of the woman. The man savors the woman’s body, the woman savors the man’s passion.

    I don’t sit around thinking how great it would be to get it on with a 25 year old guy. The prospect of that just doesn’t turn me on. Anybody? ( I mean, of course, unless you’re a woman of that age yourself!)

    Both men and women fall in love; then it’s all personal. But the kind of interaction we’re reading about, where a man forces himself upon or wants to masturbate in front of a woman he doesn’t even know–I wonder if there are many women who find the thought of being the aggressor in that kind of situation titillating? Women used to openly admit they had fantasies about being the victim! That was also puzzling to me, but it highlights la difference…..I never heard of any straight guy who fantasizes about the passive, helpless rôle.

    i think this is the reason why we rarely hear about female superiors sexually harassing younger male employees ((though@goldwaterwoman did have a great story about that a few days ago! )

    Is this just me?

    The reason for this is that men don’t care what they look like. They only care what we look like. Men go to strip clubs and actually believe they have a chance with that 24-year-old girl on the pole. While women go to see the Chippendales etc for bachelorette parties, they don’t think they have a chance with those men. Men have no idea that we might actually be noticing that they’re a fat ugly old man with the muscle tone of a bowl of mashed potatoes. It’s the Dark Side of Self-Esteem.

    Right!?! But this is what I’m getting at. For us, to appear in public with a hunk o’ beefcake wouldn’t necessarily be a turn-on. We’d still be worried about whether we, ourselves, look good. The gents don’t care–because other men will only notice the “arm candy” when they appear with a gorgeous woman.

    Y’ know, between our two comments here, I think we’ve established one thing: men don’t care what we, women, think of them. They only care what other men think. Like, it’s hard to imagine Weinstein would have thought he was making a lasting favorable impression on the women he got off in front of. Come on ,he had to have known they’d be just, totally grossed out.

    But to his buds–this was probably a great story. “No way! So you jacked off into a PLANT!??  Unbelievable, m’ man! “

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  25. Profile Photo Member

    Hypatia (View Comment):
    This is a very difficult idea to express, but what do you think is the difference between what men and women want out of sex?

    Most women want to be with someone at least as smart as they are, if not smarter. Lots of men want to be with a smart woman, but as far as I can tell, there is no requirement that she at least as smart as they are: almost as smart does just fine for most men, but it would never do for most women. Even after all these decades of feminism, most women still want their husbands, or their significant others, or whatever, to be leaders. This is one of the reasons-certainly not the only one-that men are far more likely to take the lead in ways both positive and negative.

    As far as looks go, well, the wealthy and powerful men who succeed in getting much younger women to date and marry them can be forgiven for thinking that their own looks don’t matter. Apparently, for some women, looks really don’t matter. I don’t get it, but to each her own :)

    In the world of the super wealthy or even just the relatively wealthy, the way a man looks may be less important. But in the world that most of us live in, men are under immense pressure to be good looking, and the consequences are often brutal if they aren’t. It bugs me when people talk about societal expectations of beauty for women, as though most men don’t have to deal with the same sort of thing.

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  26. Trink Coolidge
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    Hypatia (View Comment):
    But to his buds–this was probably a great story. “No way! So you jacked off into a PLANT!??  Unbelievable, m’ man! ”

    I think we’re beating around the bush here. It’s all about this:Human nature.

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  27. Profile Photo Member

    Trink (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):
    But to his buds–this was probably a great story. “No way! So you jacked off into a PLANT!?? Unbelievable, m’ man! ”

    I think we’re beating around the bush here. It’s all about this:Human nature.

    See, I don’t view Harvey Weinstein as an alpha male. I view him as pathetic. If he were an alpha, he would not have had to resort to assault and bribery. If he were an alpha, women would have been throwing themselves at him, or at the least, falling into his arms. If you have to force and bribe women into it, you aren’t an alpha.

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  28. Hypatia Inactive

    Trink (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):
    But to his buds–this was probably a great story. “No way! So you jacked off into a PLANT!?? Unbelievable, m’ man! ”

    I think we’re beating around the bush here. It’s all about this:Human nature.

    Yes but don’t you think male and female nature are different where the sex act is involved?

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  29. GLDIII Temporarily Essential Reagan
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    He suddenly realizes he walked into the wrong room and was overhearing conversations that were making his ears burn and his self esteem plunge to the floor…..Gently he eases back out the way he came in….

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  30. SkipSul Coolidge
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    Hypatia (View Comment):
    I don’t think men care. In the heat of the moment, they’re only thinking about the object, the pulchritude of the woman. The man savors the woman’s body, the woman savors the man’s passion. 

    If you’ll forgive the joke, I’ll play my man-card here.

    This is not true. Sex is best when both are enjoying it, and there is no enjoyment, at least for me, unless my wife is also happy. Men want to be desired too. Very much so.

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