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Why We Need Trump
I voted for Ted Cruz in the Indiana primary in 2016. He lost because he could not break through the media bubble and Trump used free media to reach voters with a simple message. Border security, protectionism, and no foreign wars were the messages that won him the race.
I had trouble voting for Trump and had to get away from politics for a time be able to make that decision. In the end, it came down to Donald Trump’s pro-life position that made me see that 16 years of Democratic presidential control would set back the cause dramatically. Trump opponents are either pro-choice or don’t understand that a left Supreme Court is incredibly damaging. Handing power to the corrupt Hillary Clinton either through voting for her or not stopping her was a mistake.
In retrospect, Ted Cruz or any other Republican could not have won. Every other Republican would have been labeled crazy on social issues and never would have been able to break through with an economic message that flipped the Midwest to red. Donald Trump was rarely ever asked about social issues and that allowed him to break through with rural voters.
Since Trump has been elected he has dealt with more negative coverage than any previous president. In order to keep Hillary voters outraged the Obama administration created a phony Russia collusion story. I don’t know how long this fantasy can go on, but it seems to be the driving force behind Trump’s low approval ratings.
Trump has been great on regulatory issues and I believe that has helped produced 3 percent economic growth in two quarters this year for the first time in a decade. With tax reform on the way and relative peace abroad, Donald Trump has been very successful. More Supreme Court picks could change things for the better.
When it comes to Donald Trump and his character I see good and bad traits. His loose grasp of facts can be a problem. The lack of discipline is also a trait can undermine his communications strategy. On the other side of the ledger, he has kept his political commitments and exceeded any hopes for conservative reform. This suggests he is sincere when he makes promises.
Since we are in this as citizens together, let’s get past not accepting Trump as president. Be happy things are going great.Published in Politics
Do you realize how many of us have been praying for that to happen? I mean, I’d rather the Republican Party, with it’s noble, anti-slavery heritage be “born-again hard” into a true, Constitutionalist party. If, however, the legacy of Trump is “a new birth of freedom,” GOP 2.0? Then we’ll have to add him and Reagan onto Mt. Rushmore.
And yeah, I just quoted Full Metal Jacket and the Gettysburg Address in the same paragraph.
Yeah, but we’re not allowed to officially keep score on a general melee fight.
Thank you both. It’s Thanksgiving in just 2 days, let’s have some fun.
We can resume fighting on Black Friday when we’re all sick of the extended family and their politics, and scrambling over Ricochet’s doorbuster deals on used Harry’s Razors and some leftover bags of Tonks coffee that the mice haven’t yet invaded.
And don’t forget the dead people!
Where you are wrong is in thinking that it was the Republicans who voted who gave Trump the election. Both of the two branches of the One Big Money Party are in dire trouble. Only 32% of the voting public likes the Democratic Party and will be loyalists who vote for them whatever they say or whoever they put on the ballot. Same statistic and attitude is held for the Republicans. (In fact during the Nov 2008 election cycle, Republicans were at a low of only 26% !!)
This means that the deciding factor is the independent voter, who is very much needed in order for anyone to win an election. After all, 32% plus % 32% is 64%, which indicates that a staggering 36% of all Americans are thinking outside the box. (And according to Pew Surveys, the indies have more than 36%.)
You may be right.
Hillary claimed to be the feminist candidate so women who did not like her must be ignored. Also TR beat Taft in 5 out of 6 primaries, he went on to lose the convention.
Remember Gary is a frequent Mccainiac, so the pro-amensty, pro-cap and trade, anti-bush tax cut, anti- repeal of obamacare and pro-war everywhere Republican is his idea of a man worth supporting. Anyone who is pro-Mccain should be forced to defend that terrible record.
Whoa! How in the world can you come to that conclusion? You apparently know nothing of me. I have had my differences with McCain. John McCain is my senator, but…
I am not pro-amnesty. I can see a path to legal status, but not citizenship. I am for Tom Cotton’s RAISE Act. I am against chain migration. I am for a modest wall, but think that a 30 foot wall is silly when half of the illegals are from visa overstays. E-verify would be much more cost-effective. I think that Dreamers who were dragged here as children are innocents.
I believe in science, and see cap & trade as a way to limit global warming.
I am for Free Trade, which has been extremely helpful to Arizona.
I was and am Pro-Bush tax cuts.
I am Pro Obamacare Repeal.
I believe in a strong national defense.
I would have voted to open ANWR, which McCain voted to keep closed.
I admire and respect McCain’s service and courage. McCain supported the surge (only to have Obama throw away all of those gains).
McCain and Romney have more class in their little fingers, than Trump has shown in his life.
I have met both John McCain and Barry Goldwater and both are cut from the same cloth.
John McCain is a two-faced, no-account liar. Scum of the earth. I regret voting for him nine years ago.
John Mccain’s class in his dishonest campaign promise to repeal and replace was done in two different campaigns your defense of proven liar is remarkable. In no way has Trump backed away from political promises, that is integrity something John Mccain doesn’t have. In a free society political promises are the clearest basis for evaluating character. If serving in the military means when you run for office you are free to lie, then what does honor, integrity, and class really mean. The substance of his frequent betrayals and clear mendacity give a me a bad opinion of your ability to judge anyone’s character. Continuing to support Mccain after to the fact of his dishonestly is indefensible.
Not to mention saying “I believe in science” and “limit global warming” in the same sentence.
I believe in science, and see cap & trade as a way to limit global warming.
How are incorrect predictions of temperature changes a basis for action? Predicting the future is almost always wrong. By the way I who like to know the scientific pick to win the Super bowl in ten years? The population bomb was an example of this kind of pseudo scientific thinking circa 1970 all the predictions were wrong.
I think McCain’s Sell By date has expired.
I would suggest to you that your arguments would be more compelling if you were to use McCain’s name with a capitized “C” instead of “Mccain.” You are reminding me of liberals who call Trump “tRump.” Both errors distract from the strength of your and their arguments.
Moderator Note:Ricochet style is to use bold, italics, or underline for emphasis, rather than caps.
From now on I call him McCain given your god like reverence for him.
Okay. 14 regulations undone by Congress. That’s great. Here is a list of over 70 specific changes to mostly Obama-era rules and regulations by the Trump administration and it is not an exhaustive list. You are giving credit to McConnell and Ryan for having “sent those policies to Trump”. Go ahead and subtract 14 from those. Now what about the other 56+?
You addressed the argument about cherry-picking a limited range of years by joking that history began when you were born. You essentially conceded the point. In that sense, yes, you did address the argument.
You are comparing apples to oranges in your last two sentences.
Favorite comment of the week so far. Thanks for the smile. I agree with you.
The Republican Party is effectively dead. It can’t get anything done, it doesn’t believe in morals or character and many of its members were lying about character all along. They also lied about out of control spending. They don’t care about cutting old age welfare programs like Social Security and Medicare. It has taken the lead of the Democrats and become a cult of personality. The only thing propping the party up is that the Democratic party is equally dysfunctional.
As Churchill said, Americans eventually do the right thing after they have tried everything else first. We are in the middle of trying everything else right now as we have been for many years.
Moderator Note:questioning member's mental health
Yes. You are right. I did. I didn’t mean that you would really subtract 14 of those because they are different things. The point was that Trump has done far more than you give him credit for in the area of eliminating regulations and dismantling the overreach of the Obama administration.
You obviously have a visceral dislike of Trump the man. To me, that is understandable. If you stick to the issue of character and what it means for us to overlook his flaws in the service of advancing some of a conservative agenda, then you have an interesting point for us to consider and argue. But when you appear to throw weak and specious arguments against the wall in the hopes that something sticks, we must take you less seriously. He is a mixed bag and not the kind of man I would have chosen either. But he is what we have and it seems to me that we have a choice to try to take advantage of not having a Dem president if nothing else. Beyond that, maybe actually reinforce him where he is going in the right direction and try to steer him when he is not. Above all, I think it is a mistake to join the left in trying to take him down. The damage to that happening and the poison that will release on our side to abet this would be incalculable. In short, I don’t share your view that sabotaging him would be good for the country, the Republican party or the conservative movement. Your arguments suggest a rather entrenched [redacted] viewpoint that seems very short-sighted and stubborn. But that’s me.
You may be right. I think that Trump the man, is destroying our brand with the public, and is undoing all of the good that he is doing. I was appalled to hear Trump tactically endorse Roy Moore. We are being branded as the Party of Trump and Moore, and that will kill our party.
I hope and pray for President Pence, who would retain the good Trump policies, so that we can become the Party of Pence.
I think “sane people” spans the Trump Divide among conservatives. There are smart people on both sides, as well as nutcases.
Pre-election, this would seem like a perfectly reasonable comment. Post-election, it’s bizarre, to say the least. Do you not realize you’re repeating the predictions of a Clinton landslide? The failed predictions that Trump would even cause the GOP to lose one or more houses of Congress in 2016? We now know that Trump is not worse for the GOP brand than the usual my-turn establishment Republican presidential candidates. We just learned that lesson, in a big way. Or at least, some of us did.
Where Moore is concerned, keep in mind, in the last years of Bush, we were the party of Mark Foley and Larry Craig. How long did that last? I had to look up those names, because it’s all been forgotten.
Moderator Note:Given the never ending flag flood on this post - we missed that one.
So I am insane for not having antipathy to Trump? How is this different than calling being against Trump a type of “derangement”?
This is exactly the sort of thing that Trump supporters feel is a double standard in the way the CoC is enforced.
Since this thread continues to be contentious and filled with flags, I’m shutting down comments.