Why We Need Trump

 

I voted for Ted Cruz in the Indiana primary in 2016. He lost because he could not break through the media bubble and Trump used free media to reach voters with a simple message. Border security, protectionism, and no foreign wars were the messages that won him the race.

I had trouble voting for Trump and had to get away from politics for a time be able to make that decision. In the end, it came down to Donald Trump’s pro-life position that made me see that 16 years of Democratic presidential control would set back the cause dramatically. Trump opponents are either pro-choice or don’t understand that a left Supreme Court is incredibly damaging. Handing power to the corrupt Hillary Clinton either through voting for her or not stopping her was a mistake.

In retrospect, Ted Cruz or any other Republican could not have won. Every other Republican would have been labeled crazy on social issues and never would have been able to break through with an economic message that flipped the Midwest to red. Donald Trump was rarely ever asked about social issues and that allowed him to break through with rural voters.

Since Trump has been elected he has dealt with more negative coverage than any previous president. In order to keep Hillary voters outraged the Obama administration created a phony Russia collusion story. I don’t know how long this fantasy can go on, but it seems to be the driving force behind Trump’s low approval ratings.

Trump has been great on regulatory issues and I believe that has helped produced 3 percent economic growth in two quarters this year for the first time in a decade. With tax reform on the way and relative peace abroad, Donald Trump has been very successful. More Supreme Court picks could change things for the better.

When it comes to Donald Trump and his character I see good and bad traits. His loose grasp of facts can be a problem. The lack of discipline is also a trait can undermine his communications strategy. On the other side of the ledger, he has kept his political commitments and exceeded any hopes for conservative reform. This suggests he is sincere when he makes promises.

Since we are in this as citizens together, let’s get past not accepting Trump as president. Be happy things are going great.

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  1. Curt North Inactive
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    Moderator Note:

    Please refrain from attacking a member's sex, whether actual or alleged.

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump has managed to alienate women

    No he hasn’t.

    [Redacted.]

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  2. Curt North Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Kay of MT (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump has managed to alienate women

    No he hasn’t.

    I haven’t met a single woman who has been alienated, if anything they are more for him than ever.

    Without being too direct, does the MT in your name mean Montana? While women in rural areas aren’t being turned off by Trump, suburban women are being driven away in droves.

    Last time I was allowed to check (ahem) my wife is a woman, and she is a very enthusiastic Trump supporter.  Michigan here, not Montana.  Find me the suburban soccer mom who wasn’t going to drone-vote for Hillary no matter what.  Your evidence is circumstantial, as mine is, but point being Trump won.

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  3. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Moderator Note:

    Rude.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    Gary Robbins: We have an unstable lying bully as President

    That isn’t true. But dream on, keep your fantasies about impeaching Trump, person who gave money to the Democrat in Alabama.

    Moore deliberately refused to obey not one, but two, appellate orders and was removed for each act of contempt. Moore argued that a Muslim should not be admitted to Congress due to religion. Moore is disqualified as being a Senator. I am proud to have given money to his opponent, since there is no sign that Moore will step down so we can save that seat.

    We will be destroyed if we are the Party of Trump and Moore, and for good reason, just as the Republican Party was born after the death of the American Whig Party.

    Oppose Trump and Moore all you want, but going as far as giving money to an out of state Democrat US Senate candidate makes one wonder who the [redacted] really belongs to.

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  4. Curt North Inactive
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    Oppose Trump and Moore all you want, but going as far as giving money to an out of state Democrat US Senate candidate makes one wonder who the [redacted] really belongs to.

    Me-thinks there are members on here who may be confused on what party they truly belong to.

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  5. The Whether Man Inactive
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    Curt North (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump has managed to alienate women

    No he hasn’t.

    No kidding, you’re a woman now Gary? You speak for the gender do ya?

    In the Reuters poll on Trump approval, filtering for only women, approval of Trump has gone from a high of 40.9% in February to 30.4% now.  That said, some people do not put much stock in polls, and there is no question that any shed in support has likely come from independents, not from his base (where women are as likely to support him as they ever were, I think).

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    Gary Robbins: We have an unstable lying bully as President

    That isn’t true. But dream on, keep your fantasies about impeaching Trump, person who gave money to the Democrat in Alabama.

    Moore deliberately refused to obey not one, but two, appellate orders and was removed for each act of contempt. Moore argued that a Muslim should not be admitted to Congress due to religion. Moore is disqualified as being a Senator. I am proud to have given money to his opponent, since there is no sign that Moore will step down so we can save that seat.

    We will be destroyed if we are the Party of Trump and Moore, and for good reason, just as the Republican Party was born after the death of the American Whig Party.

    Oppose Trump and Moore all you want, but going as far as giving money to an out of state Democrat US Senate candidate makes one wonder who the [redacted] really belongs to.

    A judge who deliberately disobeys an appellate court is abhorrent and cannot be sanctioned in any party.  A judge who does it twice is beyond belief.  H.W. drew the line and rejected David Duke, who had been nominated by the Republicans of Louisana.  As I lawyer, how can I not draw the line against a judge who defied appellate courts twice.

    I love my country more than my party.

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    Curt North (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    Oppose Trump and Moore all you want, but going as far as giving money to an out of state Democrat US Senate candidate makes one wonder who the [redacted] really belongs to.

    Me-thinks there are members on here who may be confused on what party they truly belong to.

    I love my country more than my party.  I am an American first, and a Republican second.  A judge who twice violates his oath cannot be countenanced.

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  8. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    Gary Robbins: We have an unstable lying bully as President

    That isn’t true. But dream on, keep your fantasies about impeaching Trump, person who gave money to the Democrat in Alabama.

    Moore deliberately refused to obey not one, but two, appellate orders and was removed for each act of contempt. Moore argued that a Muslim should not be admitted to Congress due to religion. Moore is disqualified as being a Senator. I am proud to have given money to his opponent, since there is no sign that Moore will step down so we can save that seat.

    We will be destroyed if we are the Party of Trump and Moore, and for good reason, just as the Republican Party was born after the death of the American Whig Party.

    Oppose Trump and Moore all you want, but going as far as giving money to an out of state Democrat US Senate candidate makes one wonder who the [redacted] really belongs to.

    A judge who deliberately disobeys an appellate court is abhorrent and cannot be sanctioned in any party. A judge who does it twice is beyond belief. H.W. drew the line and rejected David Duke, who had been nominated by the Republicans of Louisana. As I lawyer, how can I not draw the line against a judge who defied appellate courts twice.

    I love my country more than my party.

    Traveling from Flagstaff to Phoenix to attend an anti-Trump rally organized by Lefty wahoos is in no way going to help your claims of [redacted].

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  9. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Burr:When it comes to Donald Trump and his character I see good and bad traits. His loose grasp of facts can be a problem. The lack of discipline is also a trait can undermine his communications strategy. On the other side of the ledger, he has kept his political commitments and exceeded any hopes for conservative reform. This suggests he is sincere when he makes promises.

    Since we are in this as citizens together, let’s get past not accepting Trump as president. Be happy things are going great.

    Amen.

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  10. Gary Robbins Member
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    Gary Robbins: We have an unstable lying bully as President

    That isn’t true. But dream on, keep your fantasies about impeaching Trump, person who gave money to the Democrat in Alabama.

    Moore deliberately refused to obey not one, but two, appellate orders and was removed for each act of contempt. Moore argued that a Muslim should not be admitted to Congress due to religion. Moore is disqualified as being a Senator. I am proud to have given money to his opponent, since there is no sign that Moore will step down so we can save that seat.

    We will be destroyed if we are the Party of Trump and Moore, and for good reason, just as the Republican Party was born after the death of the American Whig Party.

    Oppose Trump and Moore all you want, but going as far as giving money to an out of state Democrat US Senate candidate makes one wonder who the [redacted] really belongs to.

    A judge who deliberately disobeys an appellate court is abhorrent and cannot be sanctioned in any party. A judge who does it twice is beyond belief. H.W. drew the line and rejected David Duke, who had been nominated by the Republicans of Louisana. As I lawyer, how can I not draw the line against a judge who defied appellate courts twice.

    I love my country more than my party.

    Traveling from Flagstaff to Phoenix to attend an anti-Trump rally organized by Lefty wahoos is in no way going to help your claims of [redacted].

    Doing so after Trump said that there were some really good people in Charlottesville was out of love of country and the hope that the Trump cancer will be excised.

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Burr:When it comes to Donald Trump and his character I see good and bad traits. His loose grasp of facts can be a problem. The lack of discipline is also a trait can undermine his communications strategy. On the other side of the ledger, he has kept his political commitments and exceeded any hopes for conservative reform. This suggests he is sincere when he makes promises.

    Since we are in this as citizens together, let’s get past not accepting Trump as president. Be happy things are going great.

    Amen.

    Things would be better under President Pence.

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  12. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    Gary Robbins: We have an unstable lying bully as President

    That isn’t true. But dream on, keep your fantasies about impeaching Trump, person who gave money to the Democrat in Alabama.

    Moore deliberately refused to obey not one, but two, appellate orders and was removed for each act of contempt. Moore argued that a Muslim should not be admitted to Congress due to religion. Moore is disqualified as being a Senator. I am proud to have given money to his opponent, since there is no sign that Moore will step down so we can save that seat.

    We will be destroyed if we are the Party of Trump and Moore, and for good reason, just as the Republican Party was born after the death of the American Whig Party.

    Oppose Trump and Moore all you want, but going as far as giving money to an out of state Democrat US Senate candidate makes one wonder who the [redacted] really belongs to.

    A judge who deliberately disobeys an appellate court is abhorrent and cannot be sanctioned in any party. A judge who does it twice is beyond belief. H.W. drew the line and rejected David Duke, who had been nominated by the Republicans of Louisana. As I lawyer, how can I not draw the line against a judge who defied appellate courts twice.

    I love my country more than my party.

    Traveling from Flagstaff to Phoenix to attend an anti-Trump rally organized by Lefty wahoos is in no way going to help your claims of [redacted].

    Doing so after Trump said that there were some really good people in Charlottesville was out of love of country and the hope that the Trump cancer will be excised.

    All I’m suggesting is to be careful your anti-Trump/Moore zeal does not take you to a weird place.

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  13. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    Gary Robbins: We have an unstable lying bully as President

    That isn’t true. But dream on, keep your fantasies about impeaching Trump, person who gave money to the Democrat in Alabama.

    Moore deliberately refused to obey not one, but two, appellate orders and was removed for each act of contempt. Moore argued that a Muslim should not be admitted to Congress due to religion. Moore is disqualified as being a Senator. I am proud to have given money to his opponent, since there is no sign that Moore will step down so we can save that seat.

    We will be destroyed if we are the Party of Trump and Moore, and for good reason, just as the Republican Party was born after the death of the American Whig Party.

    Oppose Trump and Moore all you want, but going as far as giving money to an out of state Democrat US Senate candidate makes one wonder who the [redacted] really belongs to.

    A judge who deliberately disobeys an appellate court is abhorrent and cannot be sanctioned in any party. A judge who does it twice is beyond belief. H.W. drew the line and rejected David Duke, who had been nominated by the Republicans of Louisana. As I lawyer, how can I not draw the line against a judge who defied appellate courts twice.

    I love my country more than my party.

    I am pretty sure, sometimes defying the law is OK. See Parks, Rosa.

    I think you should clarify and point out that he was in violation of a moral standard for defying the Courts as well.

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  14. Curt North Inactive
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    All I’m suggesting is to be careful your anti-Trump/Moore zeal does not take you to a weird place.

    Oh, it’s waaaaay too late for that warning.  He’s giving to the Dem in AL don’t ya know…

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  15. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Burr:When it comes to Donald Trump and his character I see good and bad traits. His loose grasp of facts can be a problem. The lack of discipline is also a trait can undermine his communications strategy. On the other side of the ledger, he has kept his political commitments and exceeded any hopes for conservative reform. This suggests he is sincere when he makes promises.

    Since we are in this as citizens together, let’s get past not accepting Trump as president. Be happy things are going great.

    Amen.

    Things would be better under President Pence.

    Cannot let a single word of praise for Trump go uncontested, can you? Sad.

     

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  16. Gary Robbins Member
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    Curt North (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    All I’m suggesting is to be careful your anti-Trump/Moore zeal does not take you to a weird place.

    Oh, it’s waaaaay too late for that warning. He’s giving to the Dem in AL don’t ya know…

    After the twice defrocked Judge was nominated, yes I did and have.  I also contibuted to Reagan and W.

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    @garyrobbins

    You have made many counterfactuals in this post that you cannot prove. The idea anyone could have beaten Clinton does not seem to be true. Trump won the same percentage of the GOP as Romney. Romney lost and Trump won. Therefore, the votes for Trump to win had to come from non-GOP voters. If we look at the states Trump won, it is clear that Trump received votes from votes who normally would not vote GOP.

    Now, while I think a Walker might have been able to get these votes, in hindsight, I don’t think Bush, or Rubio or Cruz could have done it. Too connected to the establishment. The “forgotten” people voted for the guy talking to them.

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    @garyrobbins

    You have made many counterfactuals in this post that you cannot prove. The idea anyone could have beaten Clinton does not seem to be true. Trump won the same percentage of the GOP as Romney. Romney lost and Trump won. Therefore, the votes for Trump to win had to come from non-GOP voters. If we look at the states Trump won, it is clear that Trump received votes from votes who normally would not vote GOP.

    Now, while I think a Walker might have been able to get these votes, in hindsight, I don’t think Bush, or Rubio or Cruz could have done it. Too connected to the establishment. The “forgotten” people voted for the guy talking to them.

    See post #3.  In summary, since WWII, the American people give a Presidential Party 2 terms to institute their policies.  But, by the end of 8 years, Americans get restless for a change and throw the bums out, a process that has repeated every 8 years in the absence of a Reagan.  Any Republican would have won in 2016, just as any Democrats would have won in 2008.

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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    @garyrobbins

    You have made many counterfactuals in this post that you cannot prove. The idea anyone could have beaten Clinton does not seem to be true. Trump won the same percentage of the GOP as Romney. Romney lost and Trump won. Therefore, the votes for Trump to win had to come from non-GOP voters. If we look at the states Trump won, it is clear that Trump received votes from votes who normally would not vote GOP.

    Now, while I think a Walker might have been able to get these votes, in hindsight, I don’t think Bush, or Rubio or Cruz could have done it. Too connected to the establishment. The “forgotten” people voted for the guy talking to them.

    See post #3. In summary, since WWII, the American people give a Presidential Party 2 terms to institute their policies. But, by the end of 8 years, Americans get restless for a change and throw the bums out, a process that has repeated every 8 years in the absence of a Reagan. Any Republican would have won in 2016, just as any Democrats would have won in 2008.

    OK. I disagree with your analysis. Reasons were already given by someone else quite well, I think.

     

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    @garyrobbins

    You have made many counterfactuals in this post that you cannot prove. The idea anyone could have beaten Clinton does not seem to be true. Trump won the same percentage of the GOP as Romney. Romney lost and Trump won. Therefore, the votes for Trump to win had to come from non-GOP voters. If we look at the states Trump won, it is clear that Trump received votes from votes who normally would not vote GOP.

    Now, while I think a Walker might have been able to get these votes, in hindsight, I don’t think Bush, or Rubio or Cruz could have done it. Too connected to the establishment. The “forgotten” people voted for the guy talking to them.

    See post #3. In summary, since WWII, the American people give a Presidential Party 2 terms to institute their policies. But, by the end of 8 years, Americans get restless for a change and throw the bums out, a process that has repeated every 8 years in the absence of a Reagan. Any Republican would have won in 2016, just as any Democrats would have won in 2008.

    OK. I disagree with your analysis. Reasons were already given by someone else quite well, I think.

    That’s fair.

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  21. Curt North Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Any Republican would have won in 2016, just as any Democrats would have won in 2008.

    Couldn’t disagree more with that statement.  Let’s do a quick poll, anyone who thinks Jeb! had a chance, even a 1% chance of winning POTUS raise your hand.  Same question goes for Cruz, Rubio, or Rand.

    Anybody…?  Nobody huh..

    I’ve said many times that Trump and Hillary were both running against the only other person they could lose to or win against, if that makes sense.  Nobody else would have called out her criminality on the national stage.  You see Jeb! calling her out as “crooked Hillary”?  I don’t see that.

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  22. Gary Robbins Member
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    Curt North (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Any Republican would have won in 2016, just as any Democrats would have won in 2008.

    Couldn’t disagree more with that statement. Let’s do a quick poll, anyone who thinks Jeb! had a chance, even a 1% chance of winning POTUS raise your hand. Same question goes for Cruz, Rubio, or Rand.

    Anybody…? Nobody huh..

    I’ve said many times that Trump and Hillary were both running against the only other person they could lose to or win against, if that makes sense. Nobody else would have called out her criminality on the national stage. You see Jeb! calling her out as “crooked Hillary”? I don’t see that.

    Please see the detailed analysis in Post #3.  Essentially since WWII, the American people give a Presidential Party 2 terms to institute their policies.  But, by the end of 8 years, American people get restless for a change and throw the bums out, a process that has repeated itself every 8 years, in the absence of a Reagan.  Based on that pattern, any Republican with a pulse would have won, and Trump only did by 100,000 votes spread over three states.  Any other Republican would have done much better.

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    The best result would be to beat Trump in the primary. But, if Trump is weakened by Sasse/Flake/Corker/Kasich so he loses in the general election, that would be good by me. I love my country more than my party. The cancer of Trump needs to be excised even if the cost is four years of Democrats.

    With due respect, I think you’ve got this backward, and are putting your party over your country. You’re willing to subject the nation to 4 (or 8) years of a Democratic presidency, in order to purify the GOP from Trumpism. If you love your nation more than your party, shouldn’t you be willing to have the GOP damaged by the Trump brand, if it means you protect the country from Democratic influence?

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  24. Curt North Inactive
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    Well that assumes the pattern holds.  Since the period from WWII to now isn’t longer than our nations history as a whole you could easily say the pattern is somewhat short and maybe not all that predictive, and the failures of the Bush and Obama presidencies may well have blown that pattern up, perhaps for the better.

    Time to break the china Gary, time to upend and bring down the establishment that has brought us to the very brink of ruin.  And if the agent of that change is a guy who was once caught talking locker-room guy talk on a hot mic, that’s fine with me.

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  25. Gary Robbins Member
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    TheSockMonkey (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Gary Robbins

    The best result would be to beat Trump in the primary. But, if Trump is weakened by Sasse/Flake/Corker/Kasich so he loses in the general election, that would be good by me. I love my country more than my party. The cancer of Trump needs to be excised even if the cost is four years of Democrats.

    With due respect, I think you’ve got this backward, and are putting your party over your country. You want to subject the nation to 4 (or 8) years of a Democratic presidency, in order to purify the GOP from Trumpism. If you love your nation more than your party, shouldn’t you be willing to have the GOP damaged by the Trump brand, if it means you protect the country from Democratic influence?

    Taking the long view, while 4 years of a Democratic Administration would be bad, the benefit would be to excise Trump and Trumpism from the Republican Party.

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  26. Curt North Inactive
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    TheSockMonkey (View Comment):
    But, if Trump is weakened by Sasse/Flake/Corker/Kasich so he loses in the general election, that would be good by me.

    I just think you’re living in some type of fantasy here.  The supporters of these guys on a national stage wouldn’t fill a decent sized SUV.  Trump should be so lucky as to have that cast of characters oppose him in the primaries.  In fact I’d welcome that primary season, maybe the nevers would finally see how thin their support really is.  Or would there be more excuses forthcoming why Trump triumphed yet again?  The Russians, the free media, Trump’s a bully, oh yeah, we can all hear it already.

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
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    Curt North (View Comment):
    Well that assumes the pattern holds. Since the period from WWII to now isn’t longer than our nations history as a whole you could easily say the pattern is somewhat short and maybe not all that predictive, and the failures of the Bush and Obama presidencies may well have blown that pattern up, perhaps for the better.

    Time to break the china Gary, time to upend and bring down the establishment that has brought us to the very brink of ruin. And if the agent of that change is a guy who was once caught talking locker-room guy talk on a hot mic, that’s fine with me.

    If the Republican Party continues to be the Party of Trump, then I would predict that a new Conservative party will arise, just as the Republican Party was born after the death of the Whig Party over the issue of spreading slavery into the territories.

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  28. Gary Robbins Member
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    Curt North (View Comment):

    TheSockMonkey (View Comment):
    But, if Trump is weakened by Sasse/Flake/Corker/Kasich so he loses in the general election, that would be good by me.

    I just think you’re living in some type of fantasy here. The supporters of these guys on a national stage wouldn’t fill a decent sized SUV. Trump should BE so lucky as to have that cast of characters oppose him in the primaries. In fact I’d welcome that primary season, maybe the nevers would finally see how thin their support really is. Or would there be more excuses forthcoming why Trump triumphed yet again? The Russians, the free media, Trump’s a bully, oh yeah, we can all hear it already.

    Tell that to one term Presidents Ford, Carter and H.W. who had intra-Party challenges from Reagan, Kennedy and Buchanan.

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  29. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    @garyrobbins

    You have made many counterfactuals in this post that you cannot prove. The idea anyone could have beaten Clinton does not seem to be true. Trump won the same percentage of the GOP as Romney. Romney lost and Trump won. Therefore, the votes for Trump to win had to come from non-GOP voters. If we look at the states Trump won, it is clear that Trump received votes from votes who normally would not vote GOP.

    Now, while I think a Walker might have been able to get these votes, in hindsight, I don’t think Bush, or Rubio or Cruz could have done it. Too connected to the establishment. The “forgotten” people voted for the guy talking to them.

    See post #3. In summary, since WWII, the American people give a Presidential Party 2 terms to institute their policies. But, by the end of 8 years, Americans get restless for a change and throw the bums out, a process that has repeated every 8 years in the absence of a Reagan. Any Republican would have won in 2016, just as any Democrats would have won in 2008.

    OK. I disagree with your analysis. Reasons were already given by someone else quite well, I think.

    That’s fair.

    Curt North (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Any Republican would have won in 2016, just as any Democrats would have won in 2008.

    Couldn’t disagree more with that statement. Let’s do a quick poll, anyone who thinks Jeb! had a chance, even a 1% chance of winning POTUS raise your hand. Same question goes for Cruz, Rubio, or Rand.

    Anybody…? Nobody huh..

    I’ve said many times that Trump and Hillary were BOTH running against the only other person they could lose to or win against, if that makes sense. Nobody else would have called out her criminality on the national stage. You see Jeb! calling her out as “crooked Hillary”? I don’t see that.

    I believe Trump’s advantage was everyone, particularly the Hillary Campaign and the DNC(which we now know were one in the same), thought Hillary would trounce Trump.   It was just a question of by how much.

    So the (D)’s never activated their get out the vote, motivate their base system (ie: turned up to 11 the voter fraud thing they do so well?), because they did not believe it was necessary, they thought the thing was won already.

    Which is to say if it were any other (R) Candidate, the Hillary Campaign would have found it necessary to do all of the above and any non-Trump (R) Candidate would have (probably) lost.

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  30. Curt North Inactive
    Curt North
    @CurtNorth

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    If the Republican Party continues to be the Party of Trump, then I would predict that a new Conservative party will arise, just as the Republican Party was born after the death of the Whig Party over the issue of spreading slavery into the territories.

    Well we don’t agree on much, but the potential demise of both modern political parties would be something I could get behind.  With the party structures in place the way they are now though, I don’t see it.  I doubt the Whig Party had the resources of the modern Republican or Democrat parties.

    Trump is not going away, he’s not going to be impeached, and he will remain the head of the Republican Party as long as he’s POTUS.  We all know you don’t like the guy, but you have to accept that he’s POTUS or risk being the crazy man screaming at the sky.

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