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I’m shocked, shocked.
Not quite accurate. Jones would serve out the three year balance of Sessions’ term, not a full 6 years. The seat comes up again in 2020. (Note: Scott Brown won in the January 2010 Special Election, but was defeated in the next general election by Elizabeth Warren.)
Beyond Moore being disqualified for being twice removed for office, if he wins, he will greatly harm us in the 2018 elections. The test tactical move is not elect Moore, or be ready to have a rerun of the Todd Akin race, over and over again.
I am suspicious about any woman being promoted by Gloria Allred. What about the other 8 women?
Pure Speculation here: Sessions was an early adopter of Trump. Gave him critically needed cachet. Trump owed him. But that assumes Sessions wanted the job more than he wanted being Senator. Seems likely. Not so much a senator can do. An AG can really make a difference.
In my world, Sessions is in an inner circle of hell due to his very early endorsement of Trump. Sessions was Trump’s first Senate endorser.
I consider this an unqualified endorsement of Jeff Sessions.
It has nothing to do with the WaPo story or any of these women accusing Moore. I planned to abstain before these stories came out. Roy Moore has been doing his political performance art in Alabama for a quarter of a century. For most of that time, I’ve known I could never vote for Moore for any office whatsoever.
I hate that this choice has been forced on us. But there it is. If Moore is elected and the Senate seats him, he will be the GOP’s Cynthia McKinney.
Ok, you seem happy with Doug Jones. I will not disrespect you for that. Are you happy with Majority Leader of the Senate Chuck Schumer?
Yeah, well, it’s too late now either way. I Tweeted the President to don’t do it again. Nicely, though.
Moderator Note:
Please do not ask members to avoid contributing. You don’t have to engage with members you do not enjoy engaging with, but you can’t drive them out.Is there any chance that I can convince you to leave this thread and go talk to someone else? I’m just asking, nicely. You have already told Ricochet that you are sending money to Democrat Doug Jones, so everything you have to say about Roy Moore has zero value. It’s one thing to say you won’t vote for our side, and quite another to admit you are aiding and abetting the Enemy. You’re a Democrat. Full Stop.
Oh, God, it’s starting again.
Vote your conscience, @suspira.
Moderator Note:
As above, please do not ask people not to take part in the conversation.That’s not what she said. If you can’t defend your position without misrepresenting the other party’s then you should leave the conversation.
This is my Post and she decided to lay that on me. I felt it was my responsibility to let others who saw her comment know where the result of her decision could lead. Jones wins, Schumer immediately gets McCain and Collins to switch parties, and boom – Majority Leader Of The Senate Schumer. Goodbye Making America Great Again. Goodbye Repeal. Goodbye Tax Cuts. Goodbye Wall. Goodbye Rebuilding Defense.
I did not speak lightly or flippantly. I was making sure that she and all the readers of this thread of my Post understand what the repercussions of that decision really mean. However, I accept that my wording was poor. I have corrected it, above. Are we good?
Where is the evidence for this? I’ve never seen it documented anywhere that McCain and Collins would consider changing parties.
I saw her comment and knew that Jones wining the seat was a possibility whether she voted or not. I suspect that anyone who has commented on this post was aware as well.
I don’t want to put words in Suspira’s mouth, but it’s entirely possible that she thinks both Moore and Jones are unworthy of her vote and resents being presented with such a choice.
Arlen Specter came out of nowhere, too. Nobody had any idea that was coming. And your point is?
It does not matter what you suspect, with all due respect. It mattered how I felt about the matter, thus, my response. We will never know which of us is correct, so I feel my way was safest, to ensure everyone knew, rather than to assume it.
Hi Gary – I am curious, what was the mechanism used to remove him? Was it some sort of court order?
Edit: Nevermind – I went and looked it up for myself. Short story – he was referred to a special court in Alabama that can try court officers (including judges). Lost there, was suspended for the rest of his term without pay. Resigned instead.
Oh, I believe that to be absolutely true. I hope she is a tiny minority of the Alabama voters, or Jones wins, and we could get Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. My big worry is that half of the people illegally write-in Luther Strange, which guarantees Jones wins, and we could get Majority Leader Chuck Schumer
You are presenting her with a hypothetical choice that is speculation at best and fear mongering at worst and asking her to for a decision not based on facts.
McCain and Collins are members of an old fashioned type of Republicans, Independent Republicans. Almost as extinct as Southern Democrats, which Doug Jones would be. I don’t see McCain switching parties to make Chuck Schumer the Majority Leader, but I do think that there is a very, very small chance of a Doug Jones, John McCain, Susan Collins, Lisa Murkowski, Dianne Finestein, Heidi Heidkamp, Joe Donnelly, and Bill Nelson making Angus King, who was an Independent Governor in Maine, as the Majority Leader of the U.S. Senate, and then to demand regular order and have bills go through committees, with the goal of passing bills with 70 votes, with 15 angry very conservative Republicans and 15 angry very liberal Democrats being in the 30 vote Minority. This would be a shot to break up the duopoly, which America deeply wants.
Before Obamacare, all bills had buy-in by both parties, and they sought middle ground. Social security, Medicare, the Interstate Highwys and Civil Rights bills were passed that way for over a century, until the scorched earth people came to town. Remember Reagan and Tip O’Neal’s rescue of social security that secured it for 40 years? Remember Reagan increased the gas tax also? A tax reduction holiday for money in foreign countries would return trillions. We could have Interstates 7, 11, 14, 22,27, 49, 69, 73, 74, and 99 funded, along with replacing the 100 year old Holland Tunnel that was damaged in Sandy.
The last shutdown ended when Cruz and Obama backed off. It took Biden and McConnell a couple of hours to cut a deal to end a two week shutdown.
No. I’m horrified at the prospect. Doug Jones is a decent person (as far as I know), but will vote against everything I’m for and for everything I’m against. So I’m not voting for him. Roy Moore is a repellent person who will damage the issues I care about. Long term, he has the potential to do a lot of damage.
That’s the dilemma.
It is an absolute quandary. I would feel better if Doug Jones would call himself a new kind of Democrat. But long term, Moore would bring dishonor and ridicule to conservatism with all of his grandstanding.
I am sorry for doubting you. I know you to be a good person, and a good Conservative. It’s just the thought of Doug Jones winning has got me very scared. It is hard to imagine the exact result of him winning, but every possibility that runs through my head is very bad.
The Federalist has an excellent piece this morning entitled Why We Shouldn’t Convict Roy Moore in the Court of Public Opinion Just Yet which I was absolutely thrilled to see as it offers additional evidence that the crazy rush to judgment based, in some cases, on the very first claim against Judge Moore, is starting to cool down just a bit, hopefully enough to allow a little more common sense into the entire pathetic scenario. The author, a criminal defense attorney and Law Professor, writes very persuasively in favor of the presumption of innocence and I highly recommend the article to those who have some interest in giving due process more credence that it has received so far in this entire scandal. She closes with a very telling line: What if you’re accused next, McConnell?” Indeed.
I voted for Trump (because Hillary) and probably would grudgingly vote for Moore if I lived in Alabama, but you know, I really wish we had better candidates to choose from. It’s getting real depressing.
Not really. I don’t want Democrats having any say in anything. There is no compromising with the party of “abortion on demand any time for any reason up until the very moment the child leaves the birth canal and sometimes after and taxpayers will pay for it.”
This is evil and the party that takes this position must be defeated.
@jimgeorge, thank you for bringing this to our attention. Speaking only for myself, my “support” for Judge Moore is limited to trying to make smear tactics ineffective in political races. And I see no upside to having Moore lose to Jones as a result of smear tactics, because (1) you get more smear tactics, and (2) Schumer gets another vote in the Senate to promote an agenda that I don’t think Alabama wants. Will Moore be a great Senator or an embarrassment? Most likely an embarrassment. But he will not be alone. Let’s not kid ourselves, as Glenn Reynolds says: “We have the worst political class” and that is true without regard to party affiliation. And if we continue to empower smear we have no chance to improve it.