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If I were confident that it was a “fact,” I would agree with you. What we have are thirty year old he-said-she-saids which somehow no one had ever heard of before brought forth by an activist not well known for her reliability who won’t let anyone examine the supposed evidence.
Roy Moore wouldn’t be my first choice (and I don’t live an Alabama anyway) but there are enough holes in the story that I don’t blame anyone for falling on the side of reasonable doubt.
You, of course, have evidence of this.
BD1 is more determined in his crusade against National Review than Gary Robbins is against Donald Trump. Whenever he mentions them I just roll my eyes and move on.
Of course I do. But I will take my cue from Gloria Allred and withhold my evidence until the Senate convenes its ethics inquiry.
JcT,
I am always pleased on those (unfortunately) rare occasions when someone reverses his position based on reflection and/or new evidence. I expect people in the middle to do that, because their positions are rarely deeply rooted and passionately held, but people strongly drawn toward one or the other side — people like most of us here at Ricochet — usually have a lot invested in the conclusions they’ve reached.
So, well done.
(And, yes, I’ve done it here too — once, on a matter of theology. Perhaps not as often as I should….)
H.
So that’s a no. Gotcha.
Thank you. I am a fact-based-opinion guy. When a case against someone falls apart in front of my eyes, I change my opinion of them. It has happened multiple times here in Texas, most recently when the Democrats brought that completely bogus case against “The Hammer” – Tom Delay. They even managed to get a “conviction” before a Travis (Communist) County jury, which was immediately overturned in Appeals Court.
I hope you would be willing to re-visit your opinion about the Ten Commandments thing before December 12th. I know I am dreaming, but one can dream, right? I once had a dream that Hillary was going to lose…
As a resident of Alabama and a Republican, lifelong in both cases, I can tell you what the current feeling about this is here amongst those whom I know personally and many of our political figures (including our governor, who commented on it yesterday to this effect):
As I have said before in several of these threads, I much regret the choice before us here in my home State. I bent my own efforts and contributed my pennies in the primaries (as I have in primaries before this one in which Mr., Moore was a candidate) to avoiding it. It is what it is, however, and —barring some quite unforeseen event— I will vote for Moore on polling day.
Thank you for the Alabama side to my Post. I was hoping someone would show up from there. Your discussion of Jones is important to the thread, because it is something that has not come up so far here, that I have seen. Why would Alabama send a Senator whose politics are completely the opposite of how the vast majority of the people of Alabama feel?
Come to think of it, this has a lot of the same feeling that we had in Texas a couple of years ago. We had a good candidate for governor, Clayton Williams, and the Left had a terrible candidate, Ann Richards. Clayton made a bad mistake in taking some reporters with him on a trail-ride or something, and while sitting around the campfire, he told a terrible, awful joke, thinking he could let down his hair a little in an off-the-record moment. Well, to the Left, nothing is off the record, and those reporters ran back to the office and got the story published immediately. Long story short, Ma Richards won by less than 100,000 votes out of about 4 million, and Texas suffered for 4 years with a Governor whose politics were the exact opposite of the majority of Texans.
Thank you again for your input. I sure hope, for the people of Alabama, that Moore wins, as Jones would be a disaster for you, and all of us.
I’ve often wondered whether critical thinking skills can be taught or they are in our DNA at birth.
Yea, ya got me. They were too principled to vote for either Clinton or Trump. I so admire them for that.
In fact — and as a result of your urging — I will go back and re-review the case, with a particular eye on how Moore justified his decisions. Not that I have any illusion that my opinion matters, particularly, but in the interests of fairness.
As for that Hillary dream…. ;)
PS But, as I said, I won’t post about the Alabama election again until it’s over (unless I change my mind, of course). — H.
There is the QOTD!
I think Andrew Klavan has caught the sense of the times in Alabama and the U.S.
Holy Cow he has outdone his magnificent self! “So it was a cheap display of virtue without consequences. Which, come to think of it, is virtually the definition of leftism in a nutshell.”
You should make a Post pointing people to this awesome article, Rodin. If you can’t, let me know and I’ll do it.
@jctpatriot, thank you for this fine and thought provoking post and for all the great conversation it has instigated. My friends on my personal list, which we call The Patriot Friends ( you should join us!) are probably by now getting a little weary of all my “preaching” about the Presumption of Innocence, but I am more and more finding myself simply unable to believe what i am seeing develop in this country with this insane, and inane, rush to judgment about the Moore situation. It’s easy enough to dismiss the real loons, such as all the Democrats with all their sanctimonious speeches (well, that is until about two days ago– something must have happened? ) and absolutely fraudulent wailing and gnashing of teeth about why they should have believed Juanita Broddrick and why Old Hound Dog should have been pushed off the porch, yada, yada, yada, and the RINOs such as that disgusting Dynamic Duo, McCain and Graham and the Most Holier Than Thou McConnell, but what I see is a more or less universal call for a total abandonment of the sacred Presumption by people I greatly respect, like Andrew McCarthy (that really surprised me) and Ben Shapiro. As one who was an active practitioner at the Bar for more decades than I care to admit publicly, the Presumption of Innocence is, almost literally, a part of my and my wife’s (and law partner) DNA, and I find myself lately just not really wanting to believe what I am seeing, with some people now so married to their previously loudly announced positions the day these slimy allegations started surfacing that they refuse to back off even after the appearance of one of the worst disgraces to the Legal Profession (yes, I know, and it pains me to have to know it, that is a huge field these days), Gloria Allred, a monstrosity most self-respecting lawyers would not be heard in polite company agreeing with on anything. I even heard Shapiro on his podcast yesterday saying that if you believe the people of the State of Alabama should choose, even “in the face of all this”(!) that means you have no position on “all this”! Far be it from me to get into any kind of battle of the wits with an intellect the size of Shapiro, a lesson from trying many, many actual cases, in actual courtrooms, and not just various “other platforms”, but I actually do have a position: I believe deeply in our God-given system of government, as that is actually what the Great Document says — “Nature and Nature’s God”– and I believe the people of the State of Alabama, which we happen to love (except, quite obviously, for their team and especially their Coach; sorry!) know better than CNNNBCABCCBSNYTWASHPOSTMSNBC what is better for them and their people. As a matter of fact, I just learned today that Judge Moore’s fundraising has exploded since all the attacks by the aforesaid. Not over!
Done.
@jctpatriot, thank you for this post.
My wife left high school after 11th grade and went to TCU in the 1970s. She dated at times much older men. Was it illegal? No. Was it unethical for the older men to date her? No. It appears that the woman who claimed to be 14 was a couple of years older. As with Trump, people who dislike Moore for his political views are are looking for any reason to oppose him. Moore is a long ways away from exhibiting the behavior of the Lion of the Senate. Yet the Solons who did nothing wrt Kennedy are talking about expelling him. The Uniparty protects its own.
I have had this same thought so many times over the last decade. I keep thinking they should dig up ol’ Henry and prop him near an open window. He’s rotating so fast they could use him as a fan.
I honestly believe the (D)’s/MSM in a well orchestrated plan withheld the Roy Moore sex/date with young women/girls information to create maximum damage and:
I also believe Roy Moore did everything he is accused of and I could not vote for this sanctimonious clown, but fortunately I don’t live in Alabama so I don’t have to make that decision.
Mostly I just wish the (R)’s could at least vet their own candidates at least well enough to keep obvious knuckleheads from running for US Senate seats. Maybe think about hiring the same (D) consultants who go the dirt on Moore to do the (R) vetting of (R) candidates moving forward.
Were there folks who cheered Moore’s victory because he beat Trump’s choice? If so, they were seriously deluded. Moore is Trump with an extra helping of religiosity.
When he won the primary, I knew I’d be staying home on general election day. Neither Jones nor Moore is acceptable. Unfortunately, that’s the choice available, and I respect the choice others’ make in this awful situation. For now, I’m sticking with my plan not to vote.
Excellent comment, sir. Added to it is to consider that all the MSM really care about is getting the DNC their power back in the Senate. They absolutely do not care about Alabama, and they are going to do this for every election from now on. Our President can put a stop to this insanity if he would stop yanking people from the House and Senate and putting them in his Cabinet. There are plenty of good men and women who he can nominate who are not in Congress.
If Trump had picked someone besides Sessions for Attorney General, this Post and thread would not exist. Contemplate that!
Dang. I am going to Tweet that to the President right now. Be right back.
It’s strange about man- woman age thing. 14 year old boy,10yo girl, boy goes to juvenile court. 14/ 18 he goes to jail. 18/22 they both go to alter. I dated a 23 year old girl when I was 18. We both lied about our age. Her younger sister was a year older than me. I dated her when I broke up with the older one. My wife is 4 years younger than me. My dad was 6 years older than my mom. My grandfather’s second wife was 48 and he was 65. They had a child, my uncle Jerry. He became a doctor and had four son that became doctors. An uncle on my moms side married a 17 year old when he was 28. They were married until he died many years later.
QOTD? Quote of the day?
I would never, under any circumstances, give up my Constitutional right to vote. Greater men and women than I fought to create it, and preserve it.
I am very sad you will not help defeat the evil Doug Jones because of a pack of lies told by the Washington Post. You are reacting exactly how the DNC wants you to react.
I hope there are not more like you, falling for the trick. There will be many more Hoaxes like this one between now and the 2020 election. You’re going to be giving up a lot of chances to vote, and the real America will miss you. The Leftist America will applaud you though, so you have that going for you, which is nice.
I agree. Loneliness until it is embraced in solitude, can drive a person pretty much crazy. “Hate the sin, but love the sinner” still seems to make sense to me.
I am not sure about Moore, though. He need not wear his heart on his sleeve nor air his dirty underwear, but he cannot deny a sin if it is forgiven, I think.
I believe that the issue of same sex marriage was for the states to agree upon and I believe that Chief Justice Roberts did an excellent job in his dissent. But, Justice Kennedy and the four liberals disagreed. Damn.
Roy Moore had again been elected to the Alabama Supreme Court. He instructed probate judges to not be involved in same sex marriages. This is wrong, wrong, wrong. For his continued refusal to obey appellate court, Roy Moore was removed from the Alabama Supreme Court a second time.
The Ten Commandments and SSM cases are ones of clear judicial misconduct. There are disqualifying for Moore to be elected for any position. Period. Full Stop.
It will be bad enough to have Trump hanging around our neck. We could lose the Senate if we have to explain Moore away. Just ask Senators Angle of Nevada, Murdock of Indiana, O’Donnell of Delaware, and Akin of Missouri. (Romney won Missouri by 10 points, while Akin lost by 15 points.)
@suspira, print and paste a big picture of Chuck Schumer for your fridge or wherever it will be in your eye line between now and December 12. If you do not vote for Moore you are voting for Chuck. If you vote for Moore and he is not seated and/or resigns, your governor is free to make a new Senate appointment. If you don’t, then you are giving Jones 6 years to push the Democrat agenda (not yours, not Alabama). That sort of reasoning was used by many of us Trump voters. He’s still not Hillary, and (notwithstanding Dem and anti-Trump claims) things have not fallen into chaos.
Yup.