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If I lived in Alabama, I would have voted for Moore regardless. Then let the Senate kick him back out if the accusations were confirmed. With less than a month to go, there’s no way I’m going to trust any reporting from sources known to lie on Democrats behalf.
There are “principles” and then there are “principles”. For example, the law of war prohibits certain ways of waging war, except that when your adversary violates the rules it is permissible to respond in kind. No principle requires you to keep hitting above the belt once your opponent starts hitting below the belt. It’s not pretty, but when you are in a knife fight, you do what you have to do.
So Fake News all the way down it is. I guess we will know in a month how Alabama views this whole thing. Really it is their problem who represents them, there just shouldn’t be any delusions about what kind of person that man is. The whole thing would be so much nicer if people just fessed up and said they don’t give a damn what happened and to whom. The Republicans just need that seat and by God they will have it no matter what. All in the service of maybe a tax cut… good to know the stakes are so high. Must be why everyone’s passions are so hot.
Hmmm. Ya think so?
What did Obama say? If they bring a knife, we bring a gun?” Is that quote correct?
@jcpatriot – I’ve seen your transition in the last few days as you believed the initial stories. I majored in journalism and was taught early on to never believe anything the first time you hear it and take nothing at face value without serious corroboration. The WaPo reporters asked us to seriously believe they wandered around Alabama and just happened to find the four women with 40-yr old stories a month from the election. Anyone even remotely familiar with politics and newspapers knows the stories were fed to them. Only after the initial feed did they go out and “interview” the women. After carefully watching the press conferences and reading all the statements, it quickly became clear there were more questions than answers. Of the original four, only the 14-yr. old had accusations that were serious. But, after reading her account through about three times and finding out more about her troubled youth, there was reason to doubt the story – the way she told it. I’m not saying nothing happened at all as there is no way anyone can know that, but I do most definitely have serious doubts and would never want to crucify someone in the press with her version. My journalism professor in college would have never allowed me to put that in the school paper. The other three were what? First of all, they were all 16 or older, the age of consent in Alabama. One gal said he asked her out, and her mother said no? Two others went out with him and he kissed them? Uh, what is wrong with that pray tell? Then, along comes the fifth accuser in the loving arms of Gloria Allred who never saw a man who wasn’t guilty and is always available for any woman with a sob story, just so the TV cameras are nearby. As it was quickly pointed out, the signature on the yearbook was probably forged. Then, the woman’s histrionics some 40 years later were just too much for me to believe. I didn’t believe her story at all about the horrendous fighting him off in the car, his pushing her out on the cold ground, and then the sudden appearance of her boyfriend to take her home, who, she claims, she didn’t even tell? Spare me. No way Jose. Last, but not least, is the phony story about his being kicked out of the mall. It never happened anywhere but on Twitter in the last three days. The mall manager at the time so stated. So, we have quite the conundrum here. The man is being crucified in the press, when we have absolutely no verification from independent sources that any of it is true. My journalism professor would turn over in his grave.
It’s like if it weren’t for yellow journalism we wouldn’t have any journalism at all.
I was on the fence about this, leaning against Moore, but Allred and the alleged signature were always the sticking points for me. Allred is not the most reliable of sources, and the fact that Moore’s supposed signature just happened to include all the information in dispute seemed rather convenient.
Now it seems Allred has decided not to allow the signature to be inspected; we’re just supposed take her word for it? I don’t think so.
Only if he was quoting The Untouchables correctly.
So is the fact that as a 30+ year old man he was trying to pick up 16 year olds not bad enough? Because to me that alone seems to call much of his character into question. Not to mention his weaselly non-denials of this fact but of all the facts around this fact. I guess this will all hinge on what the meaning of is is. Right?
He was a young man (30) just home from Vietnam who wanted a girlfriend. In Alabama in the 70’s women his age were either already married or divorced. A man in search of a wife pretty much had to turn to younger women. Women have been conditioned by novels and movies to go for older guys for a long time. Lauren Bacall was 20 when she told the 44-yr. old Humphrey Bogart, “ If you want me, just whistle. You know how to whistle, don’t you, Steve? You just put your lips together and blow.”
I’m not prepared to exonerate Moore, but the NR crew who are saying you are a “truther” (Jonah Goldberg) or a bad Christian (David French) if you don’t unequivocally condemn him are a joke.
I knew a girl that got married at 17 , the day after high school graduation to a fellow 28, no she wasn’t pregnant. 54 years and 4 kids later they are still married.
Wow. Well-written description of the modern news cycle. :) :) :)
I tend to stick to the advice of my hero, Rush Limbaugh. Never believe even one word published in the “mainstream” “press”.
Many of those same people say they found God after not being a very good person in their youth, and say they have changed to good people. I know a lot of folks like that, and I think they are very good people. Is this not possible? Am I being fooled? I do not think so. They live very good lives, do not sleep around, do not do drugs, are not violent. I believe their belief in God has truly changed them.
Perhaps there are some people who do not believe that belief in God can change a person. Whatever Moore was, after serving in Vietnam, dating young girls and whatever, I believe finding God changed him. He married Kayla in 1985 and has not strayed.
I am sure Mr. Valiuth has nothing in his youth that he regrets, so he is free to cast his stones. As for myself, I am a lot different, and I believe a better man, than when I first got out of the Army. I would not appreciate being judged by those first couple of years. Conversion to civilian life is rough for most veterans.
Except Mr. Valiuth.
“The Lord hates a coward.”
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Name-calling.You are exactly what you try to describe everyone else to be. I believed the original story and was brought kicking and screaming to the truth.
You do not care about facts, you Hate Trump and nothing will ever sway you from it, even a shyster lawyer with a history of false narratives.
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In the early ’80s, I knew a man in his late ’30s who married a 21-year-old former Miss Nude Texas.
Lucky guy! But of course, it was doomed to not last — everyone agreed.
They’re still married as far as I know (I haven’t had any updates on things since my father passed away several years ago).
This whole debacle in Alabama disgusts me. I’m just further convinced that Washington D.C. lobbyists and the national press shouldn’t poke their noses in local elections. I’ve long thought that the only way to bring politicians back to the people who can actually vote for them is to disallow campaign money from outside the state they want to represent. The nationalization of our local elections goes against everything our founders intended. There was a legitimate reason for the Tenth Amendment, part of the Bill of Rights and ratified in 1791. So, here we are, all these many years later, trying to influence an election over which we have no business so doing unless we live in that state.
These political dirty tricks are not new! The list is long of candidates trashed by Dem garbage thrown at the wall. I didn’t have to wait until this, or this, or that happened to know this is a crock of ya’ll know what. Lynchings are simple and quick; McConnell and McCain, the DIABLO* twins, had their press statements prepared well in advance. When will the GOP wise up? Will they be Charlie Brown forever?
As a related rant, if people understood the plain language of the First Amendment, learned US history and had ever been taught critical thinking, then they’d have a chance of understanding the complexity and simplicity of Moore’s religious ideas and principles. If one properly understands why Moore admires Joseph Story, then you may be on a path to understanding. Our nation, born under the aegis of Christianity, guarantees our freedom by following Christian principles as enshrined in our unequaled Constitution. Clearly, the unrelenting attack on education by Progressives over the decades has born fruit, the spoiled kind.
* Democrat In All But Label Only
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Taunting.Well I am still in my youth if 32 counts as youthful now, and no I don’t go around looking for teenage girls at malls to date. But, of course it was a different time, and sure he tried to date them, and have premarital sex with them, even as young as fourteen! I guess he denies that one, but really how credible is that? Bill Clinton denies everything too except the parts that were consensual. OJ is still looking for the real killer too.
I guess the problem I have is that Moore didn’t seem that good of a man before all of this, based on his politics and public utterances at least. But there I go again judging, and on what we now call “style” too. Though the thing I recall about truly repentant people is that they never deny or shy away from their past foibles and indiscretions. Rather they use them to give warning to others of what proper behavior should be. Because you are never too young to behave well and decently even if you may be young enough to be excused. Maybe if Moore somehow seemed more forthright and humble about his past, but no. Mr. Moore is not that kind of man. No Jimmy Carter is he to admit to having committed adultery in his heart. Like our unrepentant president he casts far bigger stones around than anything I have hurled at him. And now he demands understanding? Though he doesn’t demand that. His supporters do. He brazenly just seeks approval and affirmation still.
But hey I guess this is all projection, because I don’t like Trump and that makes me biased. Though I wonder how people who don’t like Democrats so viscerally can claim so much more objectivity in any of this? Is your hate so much more justified and rational than mine?
It must be, because it is yours after all and you are both fair and wise.I get that. I guess there must be no objective truth anymore. It is all just our feelings. Everything relative in time and space. Having embraced [redacted] fully and unconsciously you have warped it to your own ends, but foolishly think you are its master.Yes, God forbid we have the press report on anyone or anything in any way that we might find uncomfortable to our political goals. The race is local, but the office is national. Moore is running to be a senator, he will vote and debate (should he win) on laws that affect the whole nation. So one might see why people in other states might take an interest especially if it is the only race happening at the moment and we have the time.
I guess though what we don’t know can’t hurt us, so its better not to know. Because then how can we claim ignorance? Now we are forced to evaluate our own political priorities, and find out just how much we are willing to tolerate and compromise. And here we thought we were righteous, turns out we are no better than the other guys.
It would seem like if this was true, there is a more effective way to meet a potential spouse than hanging out at the local Mall and accosting teenagers who worked there. Didn’t his local church hold occasions where he could meet potential spouses under more favorable circumstances?
If Roy Moore’s behavior vis a vis teenagers was an open secret in Gadsen, it probably wouldn’t have been too hard to find someone to substantiate it.
The number of accusers is now up to nine.
Assuming this is true, why wouldn’t Roy Moore admit his behavior before finding God, express his sorrow for his behavior then, and highlight his changed behavior after finding God. His adamant rejection of the stories against him when he was a young man don’t support your conclusion. His personality doesn’t strike me as someone who would be silent about “finding God”.
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Name calling.Except your entire premise is broken. You take something that may or may not have happened almost 40 years ago and pretend your outrage so that you can try to sway others.
The reality is [redacted] on this site to try to sway others to not vote, so that your Democrat can win. You know what it means for your Party if even one seat changes hands in the Senate. Another thing you neglect to mention is that you are an Atheist who hates Moore because he believes in God and that is just something you can’t tolerate.
If the only thing you have on a man is something he might have done in 1979, you have the problem, not Moore.
I have never understood why you pay money to be here, being [redacted].
The real mystery is why I waste time even acknowledging your presence.
This Alabama race is reflecting all of our current political pathologies and fractures. My own hope is the the Alabama voters are ignoring all of us non-residents and making up their own mind what they believe is best for them. That is what federalism is supposed to be about. If Moore is their choice — so be it. If he is not, that is good as well. If he is a bad choice, it wouldn’t be the first time for Alabama or her 49 sister states.
The also, I have no doubt, voted for Hillary. Yes, they have become a joke…a really bad joke.