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Yes, a huge part of sexual harassment is just perception and is entirely subjective. As has been observed many times, if the guy in the (horrible) 50 Shades books was anything other than a hot billionaire, he’d have been in prison before the end of the first book. I tend to think attractiveness matters on the receiving end as well (your experiences support this theory), but it may be that confidence is what makes the difference.
But I will quibble and say that it’s not all subjective. As I mentioned on one of the other threads on this topic recently, my wife used to work with a guy who made the sexual harassers in the workplace training videos look like gentlemen. Sure there’s a big gray area between clear harassment (much less rape or assault) and proper behavior, but I think there’s a lot of benefit in both men and women working to stay clearly out of that gray area in a workplace.
As it stands now, I see there’s more and more distrust between men and women, and that’s only going to lead to more problems. Men will find reasons to avoid working with women, and that’s going to lead to even more trouble. Some of us have been pointing this out for years, and it’s not particularly satisfying to see our predictions coming true.
And that will get even more complicated as the numbers of gay and transgender people rise.
Eventually we’ll have to resort to test tubes for reproduction. :)
It seems to me at least 3 kinds of bullying are related, and related to sex . All are symptoms of our loss of respect for human liberty, which is itself a symptom of our new and diminished view of what a human being is. The 3 kinds of bullying I’m thinking of are
(1) Sexual extortion (I think you’ll only have more of it if the friendship between the sexes decreases. And certainly gays and lesbians can be bullies too.)
(2) Sexual moral outlook extortion (I’m thinking of the rich, progressive couple who simply must have their gay-themed-decorated, special-day cake be the extorted labor of a devout Catholic or Fundamentalist Protestant Christian.)
(3) Sexual moral outlook harassment (I’m thinking of, say, Christian parents having to deal with the “education” in various health classes in which kids as young as 11 are taught about all kinds of sexual practices—in a supposedly morally neutral way that actually has the effect of normalizing these behaviors. So, is not, in fact, morally neutral.—even though they’re not even old enough yet to understand their parents moral outlook.)
(It’s suddenly standing out to me that the F-word is often used to mean harass, attack or bully, or defeat. Also, with SkipSul’s post about kids and courting, or pre-courting, behaviors in mind: mix up and confuse.)
I’m thinking we can’t genuinely do much about any of these forms of bullying without talking about what we mean by liberty, and without talking about our view of what a human being is. Klavan is right: the sexual and the spiritual are very tied together.
SkipSul, your October 20th post (link in comment # 85) is excellent.
Miss Claire, you did a great service to the membership in your choice of topics, your initial presentation, and your occasional interjections to keep the discussion on track. You can see from the many and thoughtful responses that it is something about which there is considerable interest.
It is sad to me that there is apparently so much aggrandizement of a sexual nature in the workplace today, but after seeing what passses for entertainment in the picture shows and on television, I suppose that it is not surprising. Becky Sharp and Scarlett O’Hara are alive and well as are plenty of men who collect young ladies as if they were objects.
Like many on this thread, I have felt lately, reading the daily news for the latest casualty list, that I am observing the Terror reborn. All we need is the lady with the needles and the basket of knitting to complete the picture.
Hooray, Claire. I can honestly say that I have never gotten drunk and made a pass at anyone, perhaps that is because I have never liked the taste of booze. But, I admit to being a normal male, and thus tempted to flirt, despite the fact that Rubber Duckie was, and still is (44 years later) worthy of my exclusive attention for all time, and I am lucky to still have the opportunity to devote such exclusive attention.
But who wouldn’t be inclined to be flirtatious toward Claire? No one should have his life ruined because of such an overpowering inclination.
Here you go: