Bowe Bergdahl: A Traitor

 

Remember Bowe Bergdahl? The deserter whom Susan Rice lauded as an American hero? On Monday, Bergdahl pleaded guilty in an Army court to two crimes, desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. The desertion charge carries a potential five-year sentence, while the other charge carries a potential life sentence.

Also, remember that strange Rose Garden photo-op with Bergdahl’s parents? President Obama embraced Bergdahl’s father, who by the way, looked like he just crawled out of a cave with Mullah Omar. The senior Bergdahl also invoked Allah at that Rose Garden ceremony and vowed retribution for dead Afghani children on a few other occasions as well.

Thanks to President Obama’s negotiation with the Taliban, we returned five of their commanders back to the battlefields and got back a traitor.

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  1. kylez Member
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    Have you heard the Serial podcast about this?

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  2. LC Member
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    kylez (View Comment):
    Have you heard the Serial podcast about this?

    No. I don’t know that podcast.

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  3. Arahant Member
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    LC: Thanks to President Obama’s negotiation with the Taliban, we returned five of their commanders back to the battlefields and got back a traitor.

    That is summing it up quite well.

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  4. Percival Thatcher
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    LC: Thanks to President Obama’s negotiation with the Taliban, we returned five of their commanders back to the battlefields and got back a traitor.

    That is summing it up quite well.

    A typical Obamadeal.

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  5. MLH Inactive
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    kylez (View Comment):
    Have you heard the Serial podcast about this?

    Link?

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  6. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Member
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    Desertion is a very serious crime and this seems about the right  outcome. The Obama administration’s handling of this was also awful.

    I’ve seen next to no evidence, however, that Bergdahl is a traitor, as was often alleged. I’m not sure I believe his reasons for walking off post, but it seems more likely to me that he’s the kind of guy to do something that criminally stupid rather than desert to the Taliban.

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  7. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Member
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    I did a write up last year on the case, largely based on the Serial podcast.

    http://ricochet.com/archives/evaluating-bowe-bergdahl/

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  8. The Whether Man Inactive
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    LC: The senior Bergdahl also invoked Allah and vowed retribution for dead Afghani children at that Rose Garden ceremony.

    What’s the source on this?  He used a common Arabic phrase, and his Twitter account retweeted a bunch of typically lefty anti-war things, but I definitely missed the part where he stood in the Rose Garden and “vowed retribution for dead Afghani children.”

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  9. Percival Thatcher
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):
    Desertion is a very serious crime and this seems about the right outcome. The Obama administration’s handling of this was also awful.

    I’ve seen next to no evidence, however, that Bergdahl is a traitor, as was often alleged. I’m not sure I believe his reasons for walking off post, but it seems more likely to me that he’s the kind of guy to do something that criminally stupid rather than desert to the Taliban.

    Desertion is less serious than misbehavior in the face of the enemy. Desertion is a nickel beef. Misbehavior can send you inside for all day.

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  10. James Gawron Inactive
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    Tom Meyer, Common Citizen (View Comment):
    Desertion is a very serious crime and this seems about the right outcome. The Obama administration’s handling of this was also awful.

    I’ve seen next to no evidence, however, that Bergdahl is a traitor, as was often alleged. I’m not sure I believe his reasons for walking off post, but it seems more likely to me that he’s the kind of guy to do something that criminally stupid rather than desert to the Taliban.

    Tom,

    I am glad that at least the desertion charge was made to stick. However, many people have surmised that it is extremely unlikely that Bergdahl would have survived had he not collaborated. The mentality of the father which completely identifies with the Taliban and holds the US as the evil party is telling. If the son had any of this he may very well have collaborated.

    It would be really disgusting if to save Obama’s face Bergdahl’s collaboration has been swept under the carpet. Disgusting but not completely unlikely.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  11. Tom Meyer, Common Citizen Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Desertion is less serious than misbehavior in the face of the enemy. Desertion is a nickel beef. Misbehavior can send you inside for all day.

    This is correct and my apologies for the confusion.

    Here are the charges he plead guilty to:

    Sgt. Bergdahl is charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice with one count of Article 85, “Desertion with Intent to Shirk Important or Hazardous Duty,” and one count of Article 99, “Misbehavior Before The Enemy by Endangering the Safety of a Command, Unit or Place.” Army Sgt. Bergdahl disappeared June 30, 2009, from Combat Outpost Mest-Lalak in Paktika Province, Afghanistan, and was subsequently captured.

    An Article 32 preliminary hearing is a legal procedure under the Uniform Code of Military Justice designed to determine whether there is sufficient evidence to merit a court-martial and is required before a case can be tried by a General Court-Martial.

    […]

    Article 85 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, “Desertion with Intent to Shirk Important or Hazardous Duty,” carries a maximum potential punishment of a dishonorable discharge, reduction to the rank of E-1, total forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and maximum confinement of five years. Article 99 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, “Misbehavior Before The Enemy by Endangering the Safety of a Command, Unit or Place,” carries a maximum potential penalty of dishonorable discharge, reduction to the rank of E-1, total forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and possible confinement for life.

    Under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the specific legal elements for Article 85, “Desertion with Intent to Shirk Important or Hazardous Duty,” are: (1) “The accused quit his (or her) unit or place of duty,” (2) “The accused did so with the intent to avoid or shirk certain service,” (3) The duty to be performed was hazardous or important,” (4) “The accused knew he (or she) was required for the duty or service,” and (5) “The accused remained absent until a certain date.”

    The specific legal elements for Article 99, “Misbehavior Before The Enemy by Endangering the Safety of a Command, Unit or Place,” are: (1) “The accused has a duty to defend a unit or place,” (2) “The accused committed misconduct,” (3) “The accused thereby endangered the unit or place,” and (4) “The act occurred before the enemy.”

    Basically, “Misbehavior Before the Enemy” is much closer to what we think of when we say “desertion.”

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  12. kylez Member
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    MLH (View Comment):

    kylez (View Comment):
    Have you heard the Serial podcast about this?

    Link?

    https://serialpodcast.org/season-two

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  13. Kozak Member
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    LC: Thanks to President Obama’s negotiation with the Taliban, we returned five of their commanders back to the battlefields and got back a traitor.

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  14. Nanda Panjandrum Member
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    Grrrrr! Can’t find words….

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  15. LC Member
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    The Whether Man (View Comment):

    LC: The senior Bergdahl also invoked Allah and vowed retribution for dead Afghani children at that Rose Garden ceremony.

    What’s the source on this? He used a common Arabic phrase, and his Twitter account retweeted a bunch of typically lefty anti-war things, but I definitely missed the part where he stood in the Rose Garden and “vowed retribution for dead Afghani children.”

    I remember reading somewhere that was one of the things he said in Pushtu, but I couldn’t find the source, but he tweeted this and a few others of a similar nature.

    Anyway, I made the correction accordingly in the OP.

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  16. Larry Koler Inactive
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    LC (View Comment):

    The Whether Man (View Comment):

    LC: The senior Bergdahl also invoked Allah and vowed retribution for dead Afghani children at that Rose Garden ceremony.

    What’s the source on this? He used a common Arabic phrase, and his Twitter account retweeted a bunch of typically lefty anti-war things, but I definitely missed the part where he stood in the Rose Garden and “vowed retribution for dead Afghani children.”

    I remember reading somewhere that was one of the things he said in Pushtu, but I couldn’t find the source, but he tweeted this and a few others of a similar nature.

    Anyway, I made the correction accordingly in the OP.

    Pretty straight forward to me.

    His father’s a scumbag. The son has some explaining to do.

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  17. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    I have listened to the first three episodes of the Serial podcast on Bergdahl. My impression of him is that he is a millenial snowflake, unable to deal with things that don’t fit into his perception of how the world is suppose to work. I knew a lot of such people even back when I went into the service, but they were rapidly cured or cashiered during boot camp. It doesn’t sound as though Bergdahl had any problems during basic training, and he did reach the level of E-5 during his service time. That he is nuts isn’t too far off the mark. However, he seems to be fully capable of understanding the consequences of his actions, and, therefore, is fully responsible for the choices he made. Insanity doesn’t strike me as a mitigating plea. He needs to be punished to the full extent. Anything less would simply reinforce his rather bent view of how the world works.

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  18. James Gawron Inactive
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):
    I have listened to the first three episodes of the Serial podcast on Bergdahl. My impression of him is that he is a millenial snowflake, unable to deal with things that don’t fit into his perception of how the world is suppose to work. I knew a lot of such people even back when I went into the service, but they were rapidly cured or cashiered during boot camp. It doesn’t sound as though Bergdahl had any problems during basic training, and he did reach the level of E-5 during his service time. That he is nuts isn’t too far off the mark. However, he seems to be fully capable of understanding the consequences of his actions, and, therefore, is fully responsible for the choices he made. Insanity doesn’t strike me as a mitigating plea. He needs to be punished to the full extent. Anything less would simply reinforce his rather bent view of how the world works.

    Eugene,

    I am no expert in these matters. However, just as you describe, Berdahl managed to get through the now rather advanced training that combat in the American Army requires. He was in a full combat situation and was on guard duty. He must have understood fully the consequences of all of that. If he had gone to his commander and said I’m sorry but I don’t believe in any of this and I won’t do it. Then the Army would have got him out of there before he did any damage and he would have faced the music for it back home. Instead, he put his unit in danger first by deserting guard duty and later when they desperately searched for him. Bergdahl didn’t go to a village to hide out. He actively searched for the Taliban. This isn’t the behavior of somebody who just couldn’t take it and ran.

    I don’t know military law, I don’t know personally what the battlefield in Afghanistan was like, and I don’t know the military itself. However, it does look to me like there is more to this story. We are talking about an American administration that could call what Major Hasan did ‘workplace violence’. I doubt we are getting a fully objective view of Bergdahl yet. It’s a good start but not the whole story.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  19. BD1 Member
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    The Federalist: “The ‘Serial’ Podcasts about Bowe Bergdahl Are Pure Propaganda.”

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  20. Wolverine Inactive
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    I remember thinking the press conference with Obama and the Bergdahls truly bizarre, and I remember thinking that his father was doing his son no favors with the way he was behaving in front of the President.

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  21. Kozak Member
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    Wolverine (View Comment):
    I remember thinking the press conference with Obama and the Bergdahls truly bizarre, and I remember thinking that his father was doing his son no favors with the way he was behaving in front of the President.

    Well that would be true in front of any other President.

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  22. A-Squared Inactive
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    For the record, Bergdahl was a private first class (E-3) when he deserted his post and was captured. He was promoted during captivity twice to reach the rand of sergeant(E-5).

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/17/afghanistan.captured.soldier/index.html

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  23. Percival Thatcher
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    BD1 (View Comment):

    The Federalist: “The ‘Serial’ Podcasts about Bowe Bergdahl Are Pure Propaganda.”

    Here.

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  24. Larry Koler Inactive
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    BD1 (View Comment):
    The Federalist: “The ‘Serial’ Podcasts about Bowe Bergdahl Are Pure Propaganda.”

    I don’t know but I bet they’re right. NPR simply cannot put anything together that isn’t political and to the left of the country — way to the left. They are anti-American to their core.

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  25. kylez Member
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    Larry Koler (View Comment):

    BD1 (View Comment):
    The Federalist: “The ‘Serial’ Podcasts about Bowe Bergdahl Are Pure Propaganda.”

    I don’t know but I bet they’re right. NPR simply cannot put anything together that isn’t political and to the left of the country — way to the left. They are anti-American to their core.

    I didn’t think it was. But I haven’t read that piece.

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  26. Fritz Coolidge
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    Nanda Panjandrum (View Comment):
    Grrrrr! Can’t find words….

    I can.

    “Along with the other penalties provided by the UCMJ, that’ll be five years on the desertion charge, and [some serious number of – maybe 25 ] years on the misbehavior charge. That will be all. Take him away.”

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  27. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    BD1 (View Comment):
    The Federalist: “The ‘Serial’ Podcasts about Bowe Bergdahl Are Pure Propaganda.”

    I would tend to agree that they are attempting to paint a picture of an essentially innocent man tied up in administrative red tape. However, anyone who has any background in the military or half a brain that isn’t soaked in liberal horse doo doo, can see through what they are trying to do. The facts that they present are pretty stark, so long as you don’t buy into their interpretation of them. I listened for the facts in the case, not their interpretation. Anyone wanting to believe that Bergdahl is innocent will get just what they want. It isn’t lies, it is manipulation of the facts. Propaganda is largely lies told over and over until they become “facts.”

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