Lonesome Purple Hearts and Angry Red Ones: Love and Contempt in a Divided Red Tribe

 

Red America, blue America. It’s a crude categorization, but useful. According to Rachel Lu, the red tribe is the tribe of traditional, transcendent bourgeois values, while the blue tribe is the tribe of neo-Epicureanism, which by its nature is shallow and tepid. According to Charles Murray, the red tribe professes traditional values while struggling to practice them, while the blue tribe, for the most part, lives out these values while failing to profess them. According to Mark Regnerus, when it comes to the specific traditional values of chastity and stable family formation, while both tribes are far from paragons, on average the red tribe fails a lot harder than the blue tribe does, even though it’s the red tribe, not the blue, which promulgates language like “chastity” and “family values”. If you stop looking at averages though, something interesting happens: the red tribe splits. Red-tribe children who inherit exceptional amounts of social capital (which arises from networks of shared social norms, including trust and reciprocity) are more sexually virtuous than their blue peers, while red-tribe children with low social capital are so much less sexually virtuous than their blue peers that it drags the whole red average down below that of the blue.

This sexual split points to a more general split among conservatives: the red tribe can be crudely divided into two tribes, both of whom profess a zeal for cultural capital, but only one of which has secure access to cultural capital. (There’s not complete agreement on what social and cultural capital are, but for this essay, cultural capital includes social capital, along with other accumulated cultural riches.) As much as blue-tribe language tends to denigrate the value of the West’s cultural capital, blue-tribe children enjoy better access to that capital than many red-tribe children do. However, there’s a class of purple children – typically red-tribe children raised in blue milieus – who achieve cultural-capital royalty: whatever struggles they face, access to cultural goods, whether moral, intellectual, or aesthetic, isn’t really one of them. They inherit not just the red-tribe zeal for cultural capital, but blue-tribe access to it, an access which differs not only in quantity (more of it) from average red access, but also in kind (probably less NASCAR and more Shakespeare – brows a little higher rather than lower).

Blue-tribe access to it. How does the blue tribe maintain good access to something it publicly professes not to value much? Evidently, it must be by doing rather than saying. Culture isn’t just something you have worthy or unworthy opinions about, it’s also something you do. And a lot of blues still do it, even if their opinions about why it’s worth doing are unworthy. To be too much in enmity with the blues is to put yourself at odds with many of the vehicles still left for passing on the great achievements of our culture. Reds routinely decry the corruption of academic and arts organizations, for example, but so far have had scanty success forming organizations of their own to pass down the treasure of Western knowledge and beauty. For all the nonsense on college campuses, for all the schlock modern arts organizations promote, colleges still harbor teachers with genuine love for whatever little corner of Western heritage is their expertise and arts organizations still exhibit works of transcendent beauty. These dreaded blue, “elitists” milieus might make piss-poor advocates of the traditions they enjoy, but many in these milieus still enjoy aspects of those traditions, and in enjoying them, keep them going, at least for another generation.

Another Murray, Douglas Murray, worries about the suicidality of Western elites, sensing in their blue hearts neither political nor aesthetic zeal for the transcendent cultural values he is so zealous for:

In particular, it [the art of our time] has given up that desire to connect us to something like the spirit of religion or that thrill of recognition – what Aristotle termed anagnorisis – which grants you the sense of having just caught up with a truth that was always waiting for you.

It may be that this sense only occurs if you tap into a profound truth and that the desire to do so is something of which artists, like almost everyone else, have become suspicious or incapable.

Murray is, like many well-educated and successful conservatives, a purple princeling, enjoying both red zeal for his culture and blue access to it. When your zeal is especially ardent, the gap between your zeal and insufficient zeal can seem so great that insufficient zeal seems like no zeal at all. The most zealous of the purple tribe seem prone to a despair born from outstanding love. This despair for their culture is realistic, they argue: the elites’ blue heart are frozen hearts, whose love for their own culture is dead. But, to paraphrase Wodehouse, if you’re so warm-hearted you should have to wear asbestos vests, how good are you at telling a frozen heart from one that’s merely tepid?

Tepid isn’t good enough. But neither is it as bad as freezing to death. According to Roger Scruton, “[T]he Left is united by hatred, but we are united by love: love of our country, love of institutions, love of the law, love of family, and so on. And what makes us conservatives is the desire to protect those things, and we’re up against people who want to destroy them, and it’s very simple.” If Lu’s formulation is correct, though, and the blue tribe is a bunch of neo-Epicureans, while it’s obvious there are blue haters out there, it seems unlikely that the blue tribe would be united by hatred: Epicureanism is too tepid to love fiercely, but that’s not the same as hating. While I suspect many blue individuals harbor yearnings which transcend Epicureanism, I agree Lu’s label “neo-Epicureanism” is a fair description of what blues as a whole can admit to having in common with one another. Some blues are colder than Epicurean, and in my personal experience (perhaps I’m just lucky), several are warmer. But whatever the temperature of individual blue hearts, the blue elites as a population strike conservatives as spoiled and listless, listless even unto death from the perspective of the most warm-hearted conservatives.

This listlessness, even if it’s not suicidal, entails a certain cruelty. It seems to me that conservatives are split on whether this cruelty is deliberate or inadvertent. Those who side with Scruton see it as deliberate, as hatred. I see it as inadvertent. This cruelty involves having – often controlling – access to the West’s cultural wealth, but failing to “spread the wealth around”, as it were. Charles Murray calls it blues failing to preach what they practice. Purple conservatives may merely feel cruelly isolated, little islands of red zeal awash in a blue ocean that’s teeming with cultural capital but coolly indifferent to its own riches. To “angry red” conservatives (“angry red” describes an oranger red hue untinged by blue) more alienated from the cultural capital blues enjoy, blues’ unwillingness to advocate for the West’s cultural heritage despite enjoying it for themselves seems far more sinister:

If you’re deep purple, because your access to the riches of Western culture is secure, you can more easily bond with blues over preservation of that culture, even if the blues are only preserving it for Epicurean reasons. The bond may come so easily that it’s easy to overlook that these blues are cooperating with you to sustain something you love: instead, what’s easiest to notice is that they do not love it as you do. The warmer your purple heart, the more understandable it is to feel lonely in your transcendent zeal among a bunch of Epicureans. Nonetheless, you’re not alienated. If you’re angry red, though, your access to these cultural riches is not secure. You’re more likely to be alienated, to feel cut off from the cultural capital that blues still enjoy and hence pass on, even if blues haven’t got a grand defense for why they pass it on. Indeed, the fact that blues still enjoy it and pass it on makes it seem as if blues are asserting their power to take your culture away from you!

A purple conservative might meet a blue Shakespeare enthusiast and thinks of the blue’s enthusiasm, “Awesome, Shakespeare!” In this scenario, shared love of as little as one strand of the West’s heritage can serve as a common bond, despite politics, opening the way for a cooperation which actually does quite a bit to pass on that heritage. Angry red conservatives meeting a blue Shakespeare enthusiast are more likely to suspect the blue’s enthusiasm of corrupting and depriving – “The blues took our jobs and our guns, now they’re taking our Shakespeare, too!” That is, if they can even conceive of Shakespeare as “theirs” anymore. When your own connection to your cultural heritage feels insecure and alienating, the defensive posture that views what might just be a cultural interest in common as attacking and subverting the last shreds left of your culture is much easier to adopt. This goes for moral alienation, too. Angry reds, deprived of blue levels of social capital, feel abandoned and morally threatened by current culture – unprotected.

Blues tend to suspect that angry reds’ alienation from both social capital and the West’s higher culture is, at bottom, angry reds’ choice. Angry reds must not be interested, blues think. Angry reds must even be opposed leading civilized lives! After all, if they weren’t opposed, wouldn’t they pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and join the civilized world? The red tribe prides itself on being the bootstrapping tribe, after all.

Even the most pencil-pushing of libertarian economists, though, acknowledge that it’s harder to get more capital when you’ve got less capital to begin with, something which applies to cultural capital, too. Blues, if they know any reds at all, probably know purple reds, not angry reds. Purples largely share blues’ cultural capital, and until quite recently, it doesn’t seem to have occurred to blues that angry reds might differ from purples in this respect without having chosen turn their backs on civilizing culture. To blues, it seems as if angry reds are angry because they’re petty, bigoted, shiftless, and ignorant through willful perversity, which is of course a remarkably cruel way to view your fellow countrymen, far crueler than merely leaving a purple heart a little lonesome in its zeal. Meanwhile, angry reds have cultural zeal that, without adequate cultural capital, is hard to know what to do with, resulting in a touchy pride which, as far as the blues are concerned, affirms the blues’ worst stereotypes of angry reds. This touchy pride may even alienate purples, too, leaving angry reds even touchier, because now they feel betrayed by their own tribe’s cultural leaders.

In a free and equal society, even one where equality before the law permits unlimited inequality in other respects, pretty much everyone finds it contemptible to treat others with a contempt they don’t deserve. When treating others with undeserved contempt is universally found contemptible, we give ourselves permission to show contempt for others by believing they showed contempt for us first. Blues believe angry reds showed contempt for blues first. Angry reds believe blues showed contempt for them first. Purples are stuck in between, increasingly aware that angry reds’ contempt for blues includes purples for their blue attributes, and usually pretty sure that blues’ contempt for the “angriness” of reds includes purples as well. What everyone seems to agree on is that their own contempt is merely a reaction to the other guy’s contempt, which is about the most disagreeable agreement possible.

Fusionist conservatism has in the past referred to a fusion of ideologies. Different social classes might have been more or less attached to differing ideologies, but the focus was on a mix of ideas, traditionalist, libertarian, and hawkish. Conservatives today, though, are splitting into two tribes by cultural capital, purple and angry red, with the blue tribe’s tepid Epicurean, but nonetheless substantial, access to cultural capital coming between them. How to fuse these two tribes isn’t obvious. Deep purples with strikingly different ideologies from each other may nonetheless fall into affinity fairly easily, in part because past fusionism has been so successful, but also because neither is likely to feel dispossessed of the cultural riches the other one enjoys. Angry reds, on the other hand, do feel dispossessed, and while they blame blue elites for this, it’s hard for that blame to avoid including the purples, especially since, if you measure “blueness” by access to cultural capital (something I suspect many instinctively do), purples are even “bluer” than blues, their blue cultural access enriched by red-tribe teachings.

Purple hearts, for their own part, seem to risk a lonesome ardency which breeds despair. I don’t know how much of this lonesomeness stems from feeling like the odd warm heart stranded amidst cold blue hearts and how much of it stems from the high value that purples – often quite rightly – put on emotional reserve. I’m sure it’s usually a good thing for a heart aflame with love to be primly contained in an asbestos vest rather than flung about on one’s sleeve to catch random things afire and burn them down. But if Scruton is right about conservatives being united by love – and I hope he is – we often have obscure ways of showing it to one another, mutual contempt being the strangest way of all.

Moderators at Ricochet are naturally on the lookout for mutual contempt, in hopes of quelling it. Contempt is of course quite the prima donna, easily swanning in to upstage more wholesome engagement. But despite having to actively watch for contempt, I see lots of love on Ricochet, too. This love is quieter, more reserved – this is the internet and we are conservatives, after all. Because it’s so self-effacing, the love attracts less attention. I’m unsure, honestly, of how to draw attention to this love without spoiling what makes it wholesome and true rather than vain “virtue signaling”. But I doubt the two red tribes can stay together unless it’s possible to draw attention to love between them, rather than contempt.

This is a response to @rachellu’s piece, “Bourgeois Culture Isn’t Coming Back”.

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  1. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    I’m having difficulty with the way ‘culture’ is being used. ‘Culture’ is art and music and literature and all the other intellectual achievenents of a society. But it is much deeper and more important than that.

    That is how culture is being used in the OP. As a word that includes the achievements you named, and also the stuff “much deeper and more important that that.”

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  2. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    So Im not nearly as discouraged that members of the red team fail harder …. it encourages me that it is still considered failure. The blue team simply no longer views many behaviors as aberrant. There are fewer failures because there are fewer standards at all.

    Regnerus did not measure whether the reds failed according to a red set of reproductive standards and whether the blues failed according to a blue set of reproductive standards, he measured both groups against the same standard. And reds failed harder.

    Reds on average have a harder time delaying sex, are more likely to get pregnant out of wedlock (and no, blues aren’t so abortion-hungry that they’re secretly having pregnancies and aborting them right away to make up the apparent difference – they really do get pregnant outside of wedlock less often), are more likely to have unstable marriages, and generally more likely to be in – and perpetuate – broken homes. Some of this appears to be related to the rurality of reds.

    The one major dimension in these standards where reds on average beat blues in family formation is that blues tend to delay marriage to the point of having fertility problems.

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  3. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Manny (View Comment):
    To be honest, I’m having trouble with getting to the gist of this, and I think I just don’t understand by what you mean by “cultural capital.” That’s really vague and abstract. Capital would be a metaphor for something one accumulates, such as money. How does one accumulate culture? If you could define cultural capital for me, the essay might fall into place.

    It’s true that “cultural capital” is shorthand for a Real Big Idea that’s fuzzy around the edges.

    I mentioned in the OP that I’m including “social capital” in “cultural capital”. Social capital is what you get from cohesive, stable networks of people who look out for one another, both in sympathy (mutual aid) and judgment (expecting each other to meet the group’s moral standards). Take the same man who believes in Jesus, and compare his social capital when he goes to church regularly against the social capital he has if he doesn’t:

    He has more social capital if he goes to church, simply because of the people there and not because of any extra piety it might inspire (although churchgoing can of course inspire extra piety, too).

    Since we’re conservatives, looking at an explanation of social capital from 100 years ago (1916) might be illuminating:

    I do not refer to real estate, or to personal property or to cold cash, but rather to that in life which tends to make these tangible substances count for most in the daily lives of people, namely, goodwill, fellowship, mutual sympathy and social intercourse among a group of individuals and families who make up a social unit… If he may come into contact with his neighbour, and they with other neighbours, there will be an accumulation of social capital, which may immediately satisfy his social needs and which may bear a social potentiality sufficient to the substantial improvement of living conditions in the whole community. The community as a whole will benefit by the cooperation of all its parts, while the individual will find in his associations the advantages of the help, the sympathy, and the fellowship of his neighbours.

    Now, I call social capital part of cultural capital, and cultural capital includes not only the social capital of people alive today, but also the wisdom, knowledge, and achievements their culture has accumulated over time (so it is something that accumulates) and passed on to the current (and hopefully future) generations. Take two groups with equal amounts of social capital, and give one more access to accumulated intellectual, practical, moral, and aesthetic knowledge, and the group who has more access to that knowledge has more cultural capital. And, to the extent we can judge one culture better than another, we’d also consider a group who had access to the accumulated intellectual, practical, moral, and aesthetic knowledge of the better culture the group with “more” cultural capital, too.

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  4. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Manny (View Comment):
    I guess I fit into the purple, having come from a blue collar household but with conservative cultural values. Yes, I have noticed a split on the right in values, and it seems to come down to their relationship to their religion, a strong or a weak relationship.

    Now, this is interesting, because it might not be the split you think it is. Or, at the very least, you and I may not be thinking of the same split. I don’t want to drag Trump into this except to note that angry red voters tend to “get” Trump’s appeal better than purple voters do. When we look at which self-identified Christians voted Trump, 42% of Trump’s support came from the unchurched, 32% from churchgoing non-Evangelical Christians, and 21% from churchgoing Evangelicals.

    If you self-identify as red and also a Christian, being unchurched takes you in the angry red direction, while being churched takes you in a purple direction. I mentioned ardent purple hearts in my OP, and these ardent purple hearts include well-churched, very pious Christians. For some well-churched Christians, especially the ardent ones, church is a huge source of cultural capital – not just social capital and faith formation, but all sorts of lore that elevates their intellects, their practical knowledge, and their aesthetics, too. It’s true that getting the bulk of your cultural capital through church seems “redder” than getting a lot of that capital from non-church sources. But church is a rich source of cultural capital for a great many people, and for that reason, being a Christian alienated from church is one of the traits I call “angry red”.

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  5. Manny Coolidge
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    I guess I fit into the purple, having come from a blue collar household but with conservative cultural values. Yes, I have noticed a split on the right in values, and it seems to come down to their relationship to their religion, a strong or a weak relationship.

    Now, this is interesting, because it might not be the split you think it is. Or, at the very least, you and I may not be thinking of the same split. I don’t want to drag Trump into this except to note that angry red voters tend to “get” Trump’s appeal better than purple voters do. When we look at which self-identified Christians voted Trump, 42% of Trump’s support came from the unchurched, 32% from churchgoing non-Evangelical Christians, and 21% from churchgoing Evangelicals.

    If you self-identify as red and also a Christian, being unchurched takes you in the angry red direction, while being churched takes you in a purple direction. I mentioned ardent purple hearts in my OP, and these ardent purple hearts include well-churched, very pious Christians. For some well-churched Christians, especially the ardent ones, church is a huge source of cultural capital – not just social capital and faith formation, but all sorts of lore that elevates their intellects, their practical knowledge, and their aesthetics, too. It’s true that getting the bulk of your cultural capital through church seems “redder” than getting a lot of that capital from non-church sources. But church is a rich source of cultural capital for a great many people, and for that reason, being a Christian alienated from church is one of the traits I call “angry red”.

    OK.  I guess now I see I’m an angry red.  Article still doesn’t fall into place.  My brain just can’t think in so many levels of abstraction.

     

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  6. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Manny (View Comment):
    OK. I guess now I see I’m an angry red. Article still doesn’t fall into place. My brain just can’t think in so many levels of abstraction.

    Well, it was an ambitious topic where a lot had to be left unstated in order to just get ‘er done, so I don’t consider it my tightest, easiest to follow writing, either.

    As for angry redness, if you’re a Christian disaffected from church, while that moves you toward angry red, that’s not all that makes angry red. If you feel like you have secure access to cultural capital in the non-church areas of your life, that scooches you toward purple again. For many Ricochet regulars, just being a Ricochet member, for example, is a teeny scooch in the purple direction, since the discussions around here often become ways for interested members to connect with something (hopefully) valuable about our culture.

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  7. Ekosj Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):
    So Im not nearly as discouraged that members of the red team fail harder …. it encourages me that it is still considered failure. The blue team simply no longer views many behaviors as aberrant. There are fewer failures because there are fewer standards at all.

    Regnerus did not measure whether the reds failed according to a red set of reproductive standards and whether the blues failed according to a blue set of reproductive standards, he measured both groups against the same standard. And reds failed harder.

    Reds on average have a harder time delaying sex, are more likely to get pregnant out of wedlock (and no, blues aren’t so abortion-hungry that they’re secretly having pregnancies and aborting them right away to make up the apparent difference – they really do get pregnant outside of wedlock less often), are more likely to have unstable marriages, and generally more likely to be in – and perpetuate – broken homes. Some of this appears to be related to the rurality of reds.

    The one major dimension in these standards where reds on average beat blues in family formation is that blues tend to delay marriage to the point of having fertility problems.

    Understood.    But in much of red-land these behaviors are still seen as failures.    In blue-land there are seen as normal.     It’s encouraging that bad behavior -however common – is at least seen to be a shortcoming.

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  8. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):
    Understood. But in much of red-land these behaviors are still seen as failures. In blue-land there are seen as normal. It’s encouraging that bad behavior -however common – is at least seen to be a shortcoming.

    I think we as conservatives want the dynamic to be this simple, but it’s not.

    The Red Sex Blue Sex article linked to in my OP is actually a pretty good summary of why it’s not. Among Regnerus’s findings (in the journalist’s words), for example:

    Social liberals in the country’s “blue states” tend to support sex education and are not particularly troubled by the idea that many teen-agers have sex before marriage, but would regard a teen-age daughter’s pregnancy as devastating news. And the social conservatives in “red states” generally advocate abstinence-only education and denounce sex before marriage, but are relatively unruffled if a teen-ager becomes pregnant, as long as she doesn’t choose to have an abortion.

    As Charles Murray says, it’s red to fail to practice what you preach, it’s blue to fail to preach what you practice. Blues may not talk much in public about how bad it is to be a single mom, get a divorce, become an addict, etc, etc, but in private they can be very judgmental about it – moreover, privately judgy or not, they seem to be doing less of it so something must be working for ’em.

    What people say matters. But what they do also matters. Ultimately, how do you want to measure the success of a social norm? By how well people adhere to it, or by how much they talk about it and how much it serves as a tribal totem?

    As a deeply purple person myself, of course it’s weird to think of my redness as making it less rather than more likely that I’d have sex before marriage, have kids out of wedlock, do drugs, lose my religion, get a divorce… Because what my redness does is pile explicitly-stated red norms on top of unspoken but nonetheless apparently rather effective blue norms against this kind of misbehavior. I suspect many of us here at Ricochet are like this – we’re purple or purplish (even, I bet, a fair number of us who feel “angry red”). We don’t know what it’s like to live in a town where, say, families do heroin together, no matter how fiery the preaching at the (infrequently attended) local church is. We might not know what it’s like to go to a high school where teenage girls are visibly pregnant (as opposed to hearing the rare rumor that maybe so-and-so was pregnant and that’s why she left – “nervous breakdown” was also a popular explanation). As @cm (Stina) said,

    Stina (View Comment):
    My experience with blues vs reds (my external family is blue) is that they have no issue using shame to push “proper” behavior – avoid a scandal, avoid looking bad, be perfect. Shame is used in the opposite direction in your failing red-tribe. Don’t be judgemental, stop being a goody-goody.

    I think we should aspire to be “purple” about these norms – to have explicit moral norms and implicit practical(?) norms. Of course if we’re purple, we’re used to contrasting ourselves with the blues and feeling very red. But maybe we’re relying on whatever mojo’s working for the blues and not working for the angry reds, too.

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  9. Zafar Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):
    So Im not nearly as discouraged that members of the red team fail harder …. it encourages me that it is still considered failure. The blue team simply no longer views many behaviors as aberrant. There are fewer failures because there are fewer standards at all.

    Regnerus did not measure whether the reds failed according to a red set of reproductive standards and whether the blues failed according to a blue set of reproductive standards, he measured both groups against the same standard. And reds failed harder.

    Reds on average have a harder time delaying sex, are more likely to get pregnant out of wedlock (and no, blues aren’t so abortion-hungry that they’re secretly having pregnancies and aborting them right away to make up the apparent difference – they really do get pregnant outside of wedlock less often), are more likely to have unstable marriages, and generally more likely to be in – and perpetuate – broken homes. Some of this appears to be related to the rurality of reds.

    Seems like sound argument for good, realistic sex education.

    I’ll hazard a guess some of it is related to Abstinence Education.

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  10. Stina Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    I’ll hazard a guess some of it is related to Abstinence Education.

    I don’t know about that. Abstinence education coupled with realistic education about sex outcomes seems a better idea than “you’ll do it anyway, so here’s birth control and condoms”.

    I don’t really know what parents teach their kids, but I’m the oldest of 5 and knew enough about babies and where they came from to know to keep my legs closed at least until I could afford one. While I didn’t wait til marriage, I had a job offer at a major company with an excellent starting salary and would have been actively employed if I had gotten pregnant from word go.

    if you can figure out how to teach kids that, instead of assuming they can’t help themselves, then I recommend that.

    Perhaps it is purple education, but it was abstinence.

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  11. Stina Member
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    Oh. And I wonder what @midge would think of the differences in middle school education for purple/blues vs reds, especially failing reds. My experience is that middle school drives toxic socializations at the most critical time in an adolescent’s identity formation.

    Is there something different in how they educate their early adolescents?

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  12. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    That’s an interesting question, Stina! I don’t know if middle school education differs between tribes. Given how centralized education is, I would guess maybe not much?….

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  13. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Oh, on sex ed specifically, there is a difference. There is a lot of abstinence only sex ed in red regions, while blue regions may either not emphasize abstinence, or do what’s called “abstinence plus”, which you can think of as the purple approach: it’s important to wait, maybe till marriage, but it’s also important to be prepared with contraception if you don’t wait.

    In my blue region, we got sex ed starting in middle school, with the basic  biology of where babies come from earlier than that, in elementary school. I don’t know what age sex ed starts in red states, but I do get the general impression it’s later than that. Maybe high school, not middle school? Perhaps those in red regions could weigh in.

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  14. Judge Mental Member
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    Abstinence plus:

     

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  15. Manny Coolidge
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):
    OK. I guess now I see I’m an angry red. Article still doesn’t fall into place. My brain just can’t think in so many levels of abstraction.

    Well, it was an ambitious topic where a lot had to be left unstated in order to just get ‘er done, so I don’t consider it my tightest, easiest to follow writing, either.

    As for angry redness, if you’re a Christian disaffected from church, while that moves you toward angry red, that’s not all that makes angry red. If you feel like you have secure access to cultural capital in the non-church areas of your life, that scooches you toward purple again. For many Ricochet regulars, just being a Ricochet member, for example, is a teeny scooch in the purple direction, since the discussions around here often become ways for interested members to connect with something (hopefully) valuable about our culture.

    I guess I’m a hybrid of red and purple.   I’ve got a literature degree and go (used to, no time now) to the Philharmonic and museums.

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  16. Stina Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    Oh, on sex ed specifically, there is a difference. There is a lot of abstinence only sex ed in red regions, while blue regions may either not emphasize abstinence, or do what’s called “abstinence plus”, which you can think of as the purple approach: it’s important to wait, maybe till marriage, but it’s also important to be prepared with contraception if you don’t wait.

    Do you think the homeschooling rate in successful red explains the disparity in successful red and failing red?

    Both teach abstinence, but have different success rates.

    Lets see… my cousin and I probably had similar sex ed of abstinence (both very red at the time). My mom enforced open door policies with boys (not that I had many opportunities…), my aunt let a boy sleep on the floor of her daughter’s bedroom. 3 guesses who got pregnant?

    I am not convinced sex ed is the issue so much as transmission of values in the red tribe. Obviously purple ed is working for purple and blue, but the disparity in red outcomes is not explained solely by sex ed.

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  17. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Stina (View Comment):
    Obviously purple ed is working for purple and blue, but the disparity in red outcomes is not explained solely by sex ed.

    Oh, I totally agree the disparity is not solely explained by sex ed. I would be surprised if it were mostly explained by sex ex, ackshully!

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  18. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    We can hope “social capital” and “economic capital” won’t succumb to pejoration. But of course they might.

    I clicked on the link on pejoration because I admit that I had no idea what that word meant.  It describes turning what was a positive word into a negative one, and the first example is “silly.”  This–and the thrust of the essay–made a strange thing pop into my mind.

    There was a movie called Uncle Buck with John Candy.  There’s a scene in which he must go into the teacher’s office to discuss his niece.  This is not exactly “high culture”–this film– but the character gives a beautiful speech on his niece’s “silly heart,” which I think sums up a lot of red feelings….  I can’t remember the exact wording, but somehow this all has turned into a kaleidoscope in my mind?

    The (blue) teacher is the “bad guy” in that film, trying to crush the (red) child’s spirit and put her into a certain sort of behaved box, but (clever) Uncle Buck just wants to protect his niece, not stop her from accessing school….

    I can’t articulate how it all fits together, but… yeah.  It does somehow.

    If I were more purple or blue or something else which seems to translate into “sophisticated” here, I could probably have come up with an example from Shakespeare instead of Uncle Buck???   :)

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  19. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    I looked up the clip from Uncle Buck.  Yeah.  I understand why this article made me think of that movie….

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  20. Frank Soto Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: Blues tend to suspect that angry reds’ alienation from both social capital and the West’s higher culture is, at bottom, angry reds’ choice. Angry reds must not be interested, blues think. Angry reds must even be opposed leading civilized lives!

    An observation based upon my own experience as a purple conservative (deep red living in a deep blue community): Blues are just as likely to suspect angry reds’ alienation is the result of reds being stupid, as opposed to it being a choice. It’s so much easier to look down upon someone when you feel superior to them.

    Good point. Perhaps what I should have said is they expect it to be, at bottom, angry reds’ fault.

    Native intelligence is not something anyone has control over – all we can do is make the most of what we have. There are two components to “stupidity”, I suppose, one being native intelligence, and the other being choices to succeed or fail at making the most of it. These latter really are choices, though they’re choices pretty heavily influenced by environment. It does seem true, though, that using “stupid” to assign culpability is rather bluish.

    Being more intelligent is strongly correlated with making better choices.  I don’t know how useful the distinction actually is at a macro level.

    You guys are also probably overthinking this a bit.  My blue friends living in the city don’t spend much time wondering why they don’t find themselves around more reds at their urban cultural institutions.  They encounter people like them, and assume the world is disproportionately like them.

    “How could Trump win?  I don’t know anyone who voted for him.”

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  21. Lois Lane Coolidge
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    Frank Soto (View Comment):
    My blue friends living in the city don’t spend much time wondering why they don’t find themselves around more reds at their urban cultural institutions.

    After years of both studying theater as a student and then engaging with the arts, I also got worn down.  I just nod sometimes in the company of blues or stay completely quiet.  I’d rather talk with them about the work itself and avoid the minefields of politics, so I have been mistaken more than once as blue myself.  It’s not hard to know the lingo, after all, and simply change like a chameleon for the sake of harmony.  I think this happens, too.

    I have the courage of my convictions and would never be dishonest when asked a direct question about politics, but to simply nod in a crowd one knows will turn hostile if one is confrontational about issues that are not related to the show/art exhibit/book/whatever?  It’s just… easier… than standing up and getting stoned.

    Once you are actually friends with someone, have a deeper conversation.  Most people aren’t really mostly red or mostly blue when you probe what they think.

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  22. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I have the courage of my convictions and would never be dishonest when asked a direct question about politics, but to simply nod in a crowd one knows will turn hostile if one is confrontational about issues that are not related to the show/art exhibit/book/whatever? It’s just… easier… than standing up and getting stoned.

    This makes sense. Political division, after all, isn’t why you’re with these people, but for some other purpose.

    Once you are actually friends with someone, have a deeper conversation.

    That’s how I do it.

    Most people aren’t really mostly red or mostly blue when you probe what they think.

    These categories, red and blue, are categories more of affinity and social expectations than individual description. Are you willing to identify with one tribe or the other? If and when you identify, do you feel like you’re meeting enough of the tribe’s social expectations to really fit in? I’m used to feeling like I don’t really fit in anywhere, for example. But even if you’re a misfit, there can be constructive reasons not to draw attention to it, giving the categories an appearance of public cohesion you wouldn’t get if you could query everybody’s heart heart-to-heart.

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