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This is a story engulfing Ireland at the moment. A relatively conservative talk show host (in Ireland this does not mean Rush, by the way) said the crass words above in the context of a woman who was claiming she was raped in a hotel room in England by a stranger. The host, George Hook, is known for speaking his mind on many issues. Unfortunately, in PC modern Ireland, this can lead to trouble.

The woman had allegedly slept with a friend of the stranger, then when the friend left the room, the other man allegedly raped her. Keep in mind, George Hook did not say she was responsible for being raped. He blamed the alleged rapist. But he did say that perhaps she should have not put herself in such danger of harm by having sex with someone she did not know anyway.

Anyway, the [expletive] has hit the fan. He is being accused by the left of victim blaming. The Social Justice Warriors are coming for him. The feminists are coming for him. Lefty liberals are coming for him. His own employers, his own colleagues, and his profession are calling for his head. He is being isolated. He has already been forced into an apology and now he could well be dismissed.

Personally, whilst I don’t like the above crass comments, I don’t believe he should be fired for them. I also find the lynch mob tactics of the left despicable. I would never have apologised to them. It not only doesn’t satisfy them, it emboldens them. Poor George is finding this out the hard way.

What is interesting about whole media car crash is that many Irish people, whilst not liking George’s words, agree with him. In the comments of many articles and the polls on many local radio stations, many Irish people support him. Probably because they have common sense and there is some truth and perhaps harsh opinions in wondering about the sexual morals we live in now, when people sleep with people they don’t know or engage in dangerous behaviour. People in Ireland privately say what George has said — not irregularly. They just never say it in public to an outside crowd.

For now, however, Ireland’s silent majority is staying silent. The PC police and liberal elites here are very dominant and vicious to those who try to break the group-think. It isn’t a surprise to me that many comments in support of Hook’s right to free speech or the themes behind his words are being deleted regularly in Ireland’s press. Many Irish journalists are lefty liberal fanatics.

What is so funny however about whole debate is the same people who are lining up to abuse George Hook for his comments on rape — the liberal lefties, feminists, journalists, celebrities, politicians, etc. — are same people who, when hoards of Muslims were found to be raping children and women in UK and Europe, were silent. Its amazing isn’t it? A white man is fair game for comments on rape. But actual rapists, the liberal left and their allies wont touch them. Pathetic isn’t the half of it. Welcome to modern PC Ireland.

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  1. Stina Member

    Paddy S: Personally whilst I don’t like the above crass comments. I don’t believe he should be fired for them. I also find the lynch mob tactics of the left despicable.

    Why don’t you like them and what makes them crass?

    Just because words might offend someone, doesn’t make them crass. He said that in the most tactful and compassionate way without losing his point. Any more obfuscation and it gets buried in obfuscation.

    He is right. What he said is true. I don’t know why it is so horrid to tell a girl to take responsibility for her own safety. These things didn’t need to be taught me. But then, neither did I engage in toxic, juvenile, female behavior (this is a crass statement).

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    • September 13, 2017, at 5:38 PM PDT
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  2. Underground Conservative Coolidge
    Underground ConservativeJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    What he said is correct. God help us.

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    • September 13, 2017, at 5:54 PM PDT
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  3. Hoyacon Member

    I’m a free speech absolutist. However,

    But is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger.

    is not the most astute way of conveying a message. We need to preach responsibility in actions and intelligence in assessing one’s surroundings. I’m not sure we need to preach blame. Obviously, I’m basing this on what I’ve read, above, and assuming that a rape occurred.

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    • September 13, 2017, at 5:56 PM PDT
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  4. Jimmy Carter Member
    Jimmy CarterJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Paddy S: I would never have apologised to them. It not only doesn’t satisfy them. It just emboldens them.

    And You get blamed for all the rioting and destruction They do in Yer name because You said such things.

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    • September 13, 2017, at 5:59 PM PDT
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  5. Percival Thatcher
    PercivalJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Sitting in a puddle of gasoline lighting matches is dangerous. You shouldn’t do that.

    Having sex with people you don’t know very well in places where you are not in some measure in control is dangerous. You shouldn’t do that either.

    And hand over your matches.

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    • September 13, 2017, at 6:11 PM PDT
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  6. kelsurprise, drama queen Member
    kelsurprise, drama queenJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I have to ask because I dated an Irishman once and there were a few minor syntax snafus: Does “crass” mean something different over there?

    I don’t see anything crass or unreasonable in any of the questions asked. They make perfect sense. Accompanying a perfect stranger to a secluded place unknown to you does not.

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    • September 13, 2017, at 6:53 PM PDT
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  7. Knotwise the Poet Member

    If I leave my car unlocked in a shady neighborhood at night and it is stolen, is the person who stole it in any way more justified in their thievery than if I had kept it locked up in a safe place. No.

    However, am I an irresponsible idiot for leaving it unlocked in a shady neighborhood. You betcha. And should my story be used as a warning to others not to make the same mistake I did. Yup.

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    • September 13, 2017, at 8:00 PM PDT
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  8. The Reticulator Member

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I’m a free speech absolutist. However,

    But is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger.

    is not the most astute way of conveying a message. We need to preach responsibility in actions and intelligence in assessing one’s surroundings. I’m not sure we need to preach blame. Obviously, I’m basing this on what I’ve read, above, and assuming that a rape occurred.

    Do we always need to convey our messages in the most astute way?

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    • September 13, 2017, at 8:01 PM PDT
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  9. CJ Inactive

    The real sin is exposing the poison fruit of the Sexual Revolution for what it is.

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    • September 13, 2017, at 8:38 PM PDT
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  10. Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker Moderator

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I’m a free speech absolutist. However,

    But is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger.

    is not the most astute way of conveying a message. We need to preach responsibility in actions and intelligence in assessing one’s surroundings. I’m not sure we need to preach blame. Obviously, I’m basing this on what I’ve read, above, and assuming that a rape occurred.

    I’ll agree to the point that we shouldn’t say “rapists will be rapists, whadya gonna do?” but she chose to put herself in a dangerous situation. She chose to impede her judgment in an unsafe place without a friend to protect her from her bad choices. She deserves blame for those bad choices, and maybe if more women thought they’d get blamed, they’d not make those choices.

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    • September 13, 2017, at 9:27 PM PDT
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  11. Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker Moderator

    New PSA campaign suggestion — “Friends don’t let friends be taken to hotel rooms by strangers.”

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    • September 13, 2017, at 9:30 PM PDT
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  12. Lensman Thatcher
    LensmanJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Wasn’t it said of the empire founded by Genghis Khan that a virgin could walk its entire breadth with a bag of gold and not come to any harm?

    Whether or not it’s apocryphal, the story provides a contrast to the world we actually live in. The SJW’s live in world where the State is responsible for your physical security. They don’t believe in self-defense (i.e. the right to keep and bear arms). So, you can do anything you want to create a risk to yourself of great bodily harm and the solution is that the government will take care of you. Unfortunately, that means the theoretical apprehension and prosecution of the perp. In the meantime, you became a victim.

    A basic concept of armed self-defense is “situational awareness.” While out in public, you stay on the look out for potential threats to (1) decrease the chances that you will be surprised by an attack; and (2) give you a chance to maneuver away from that threat. If you can avoid having to shoot someone, that is a good thing.

    What the woman in Ireland did is the exact opposite of situational awareness. However, since they don’t believe in an armed citizenry in Ireland or the UK, any discussion of it will sound to them like you are “blaming the victim.”

    Many people in the US who believe in the 2nd Amendment refer to the armed citizen as the “sheep dog” and consider the common criminal to be a wolf. The people over there and especially those who attack George Hook (the talk show host) are sheep.

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    • September 13, 2017, at 9:55 PM PDT
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  13. Amy Schley, Longcat Shrinker Moderator

    Lensman (View Comment):
    Wasn’t it said of the empire founded by Genghis Khan that a virgin could walk its entire breadth with a bag of gold and not come to any harm?

    That would be highly surprising, considering he “seduced” so many women that .5% of the world’s 7 billion people can claim him as an ancestor.

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    • September 13, 2017, at 10:45 PM PDT
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  14. Mate De Inactive

    His words weren’t crass. But we have been so inundated by sanitized language that when someone just states uncomfortable truths in a succinct way people think it’s crass. It isn’t. I’ve heard Irish folks use much more crass language in private settings about this type of situation that what this guy said.

    But this is how the leftist mob works. Someone says something that isn’t PC but obviously true. The social media mob has a massive freak out and tries to destroy the truth teller. The issue with social media is that these lefty hysterics are only a super tiny percent of the population but because of social media their reach is blown way out of proportion. Most people realize what this guy said is true, that every person has to guard themselves against harm and while the perpetrator is the one ultimately responsible for the crime if the victim was in an situation that was highly dangerous, most people will remark as to why the person put themselves in that situation in the first place.

    The SJW’s can rail all they want about how men should just be taught not to rape, but what they haven’t realized that, for the most part in the West, men have been taught not to rape. It took thousands of years of civilizing cultures through Christianity that eventually created some of the safest cultures for women that the world has ever known. Obviously we still have bad apples out there and Europe is letting more in ironically.

    People need to realize how small this very vocal group of hysterical leftists are and really just ignore them. Their power comes from people being afraid to say anything but to be honest most of them are ignorant cowards who’s arguments are as deep as a puddle. They need to be ignored.

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    • September 14, 2017, at 5:55 AM PDT
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  15. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Contributor

    Amy Schley (View Comment):
    New PSA campaign suggestion — “Friends don’t let friends be taken to hotel rooms by strangers.”

    Well, maybe that would have worked on me: sex was generally far enough from my mind that it wouldn’t have occurred to me as the point of visiting someone’s room; that very nearly landed me in trouble once or twice.

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    • September 14, 2017, at 6:21 AM PDT
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  16. Songwriter Inactive
    SongwriterJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I’m a free speech absolutist. However,

    But is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger.

    is not the most astute way of conveying a message. We need to preach responsibility in actions and intelligence in assessing one’s surroundings. I’m not sure we need to preach blame. Obviously, I’m basing this on what I’ve read, above, and assuming that a rape occurred.

    Do we always need to convey our messages in the most astute way?

    That question might be worthy of its own post. It is a shame, and yet, I think, still a fact that we live in a time when how a message is presented by any conservative has an enormous effect on how it is received.

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    • September 14, 2017, at 6:31 AM PDT
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  17. Stina Member

    Songwriter (View Comment):
    That question might be worthy of its own post. It is a shame, and yet, I think, still a fact that we live in a time when how a message is presented by any conservative has an enormous effect on how it is received.

    If you are conservative, you aren’t allowed to be human.

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    • September 14, 2017, at 7:10 AM PDT
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  18. GrannyDude Member

    Mate De (View Comment):
    The SJW’s can rail all they want about how men should just be taught not to rape, but what they haven’t realized that, for the most part in the West, men have been taught not to rape. It took thousands of years of civilizing cultures through Christianity that eventually created some of the safest cultures for women that the world has ever known. Obviously we still have bad apples out there and Europe is letting more in ironically.

    This.

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    • September 14, 2017, at 8:56 AM PDT
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  19. EJHill Podcaster
    EJHillJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Marxism has always been about destroying the traditional family unit and ceding control of everything to the state. The way to do this is promoting the idea of sex devoid of love and emotional attachment, devoid of responsibility or consequences, and humanity reduced to its base animalistic tendencies.

    After all, what better reason to cage up the world’s population than to point out that we’ve all become animals?

    So I’ll say the unsayable: Yep, she brought it on herself. She offered herself up to a man for a fleeting amount of pleasure and placed herself in danger. Can you announce to the world in one breath that you’re an animal and in the next demand that you’re a part of civilized society?

    “Oh, how could you say something like that?”

    Sometimes I ask, “How could you not?”

    The ultimate appeal of leftist politics is the life without consequence. The state will provide all and there is no responsibility for your actions. The reality, of course, is that once you reduce yourself to being the animal and the state decides to put you in harness and use you as a beast of burden it’s too late to demand your humanity back. One may dream of a dog’s life only to discover they’re in the barn awaiting the slaughter.

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    • September 14, 2017, at 9:47 AM PDT
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  20. Martel Inactive

    Amy Schley (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    I’m a free speech absolutist. However,

    But is there no blame now to the person who puts themselves in danger.

    is not the most astute way of conveying a message. We need to preach responsibility in actions and intelligence in assessing one’s surroundings. I’m not sure we need to preach blame. Obviously, I’m basing this on what I’ve read, above, and assuming that a rape occurred.

    I’ll agree to the point that we shouldn’t say “rapists will be rapists, whadya gonna do?” but she chose to put herself in a dangerous situation. She chose to impede her judgment in an unsafe place without a friend to protect her from her bad choices. She deserves blame for those bad choices, and maybe if more women thought they’d get blamed, they’d not make those choices.

    But that violates the feminist commandment:

    Thou shall not, under any circumstances, call a woman to account for the negative results stemming from any of her choices, especially sexual ones, unless she’s a political conservative.

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    • September 14, 2017, at 10:56 AM PDT
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  21. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Contributor

    EJHill (View Comment):
    Can you announce to the world in one breath that you’re an animal and in the next demand that you’re a part of civilized society?

    Although it’s also true that, where bestiality is concerned, we usually blame the human, not the beast.

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  22. Charles Mark Member
    Charles MarkJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I’ve been completely consumed by this story for the last week! The witch-hunt is disgusting- particularly the baying for the termination of Hook’s employment.

    I actually heard the item live last Friday. I agreed completely with him at the time and his female guest didn’t challenge him.He excoriated the rapist. In hindsight I get that he shouldn’t have used the words “blame” and “responsibility” in the context of an individual case (as it happens the jury acquitted the guy on one charge and couldn’t agree on the other). Hook apologised profusely and sincerely afterwards and that should have been the end of it. Also his central point that women should be careful about getting plastered and hooking up with strangers is unanswerable and in no way constitutes victim blaming. I have discussed this with a number of friends- most of them lawyers and some of them women- and they are all sympathetic to George. (He is a bit of a bloviator, by the way).

    I posted recently about the demise of Fox News in Ireland and the UK and in the comments I mentioned the case of Kevin Myers, a true friend of Israel, who was summarily dismissed from the Sunday Times for clumsy words deemed outrageously to make him anti-Semitic. I commented he was one of a handful of journalists and commentators in Ireland sympathetic to Israel. George Hook is one of the others.

    Actually I think the liberals are flexing their muscles in advance of the pending abortion referendum and marking the cards of any potential dissenting voices in the media (Hook campaigned for SSM – I don’t know where he stands on abortion).

    I could write a book about this!

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    • September 14, 2017, at 4:18 PM PDT
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  23. The Reticulator Member

    Charles Mark (View Comment):
    Actually I think the liberals are flexing their muscles in advance of the pending abortion referendum and marking the cards of any potential dissenting voices in the media (Hook campaigned for SSM – I don’t know where he stands on abortion).

    I could write a book about this!

    You could be right. I think of it as a type of bullying. If one target won’t do, then another will be found.

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    • September 14, 2017, at 8:02 PM PDT
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  24. Hypatia Inactive

    @paddysiochain, this is quite a switcheroo for Ireland, isn’t it?

    I mean, Ireland still had the Magdalen convents until about 25 years ago, didn’t they? Where girls were incarcerated on the mere suspicion  that they might be inclined to , ah, louche  behavior?

    And where unwed mothers were sent to , well, die,  along with their babies if it be Gods will, but if He didn’t attend to it, then to be punished brutally by their babies being taken away from them?

    From what I’ve read about these institutions, the Church in Ireland was almost–Talibanesque.

    To what do you, as an Irishman, attribute this rapid change? The EU? Or what?

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    • September 15, 2017, at 8:10 AM PDT
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  25. Stina Member

    Hypatia (View Comment):
    @paddysiochain, this is quite a switcheroo for Ireland, isn’t it?

    I mean, Ireland still had the Magdalen convents until about 25 years ago, didn’t they? Where girls were incarcerated on the mere suspicion that they might be inclined to , ah, louche behavior?

    And where unwed mothers were sent to , well, die, along with their babies if it be Gods will, but if He didn’t attend to it, then to be punished brutally by their babies being taken away from them?

    From what I’ve read about these institutions, the Church in Ireland was almost–Talibanesque.

    To what do you, as an Irishman, attribute this rapid change? The EU? Or what?

    My gut is an increased focus by economists and feminists. Ireland has the lowest female labor participation in Europe, and probably as a consequence, lower GDP.

    They also have the highest birth rate of all western countries.

    Its kind of interesting because wasn’t Ireland a frontier for marxism and socialism in early 20th century?

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  26. Caryn Thatcher
    CarynJoined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    I’ll add my voice to the chorus of posters (mostly women, it seems) asking what was “crass” in his statement. What she did was incredibly unsafe. Of course the rapist was to blame, blah, blah, blah (the necessary caveat), but she was where she shouldn’t be, doing what she shouldn’t.

    The point about parenting and personal responsibility at the bottom was noteworthy. As was stated above, locks are important as we can’t always count on the goodness of strangers. Even more so, precious bodily integrity. Situational awareness, personal responsibility, and rapes and assaults still happen, but I suspect the incidence is lower.

    Above all, he should not have apologized. That suggests there is something wrong with what he said. And there wasn’t. His having agreed to the premise that there was is just a show of weakness and the jackals will use it to take him down. Now, if only he had learned the lesson about predators that he was trying to teach…

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    • September 15, 2017, at 8:24 AM PDT
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  27. Hypatia Inactive

    @cm (Stina): Ireland has the highest birth rate! Im glad to hear that!

    But it reminds me:

    all this kinda ranting (cases in point, Hook’s pillorying and Charen’s column today) against heterosexual relations

    (which after all, are not something perverse, but instead are what makes the world go ’round! Remember!?!) 

    is nothing more than a Leftist plot to slash the birth rate.

    And it only impacts –well, let’s say “Westerners”,

    because, as Paddy points out,

    nobody says a word when it’s Muslims doing the good ol’ fashioned raping.

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    • September 15, 2017, at 8:31 AM PDT
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  28. Gromrus Member

    Two George Orwell quotes seem apropos.

    “We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men,”

    and

    “the further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those that speak it.”

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    • September 15, 2017, at 8:57 AM PDT
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  29. Paul A. Rahe Contributor

    What a world we live in! Common sense has become criminal. This fellow said absolutely nothing that every father has not said to his daughter — to wit, “Don’t be an idiot! If you walk alone in a bad neighborhood, you are looking for trouble.”

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    • September 15, 2017, at 8:59 AM PDT
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  30. Paddy S Member
    Paddy S

    For those who don’t know George hook has been suspended today from newstalk

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    • September 15, 2017, at 11:35 AM PDT
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