Contributor Post Created with Sketch. McCain vs. Trump, Round 328

 

Sen. John McCain is a war hero and we all wish him a rapid recovery from cancer. One needs to preface any criticism of McCain with that, or fans of his DNC-friendly maverickness will allege that you hate sick veterans. But his piece today for the Washington Post is getting passed around as a brave indictment of the Beltway’s favorite hate object, President Donald Trump. Here’s the salacious bit:

…Congress must govern with a president who has no experience of public office, is often poorly informed and can be impulsive in his speech and conduct.

Even most Trump fans will admit the above is true (hell, it’s part of his appeal), but the Arizona senator slapping him around for it isn’t exactly new. After all, President Bone Spur escaped the draft yet had the audacity to say of McCain, “He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured.” Any Trump fans who hit the fainting couch over McCain’s far milder critique need to accept that what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. After all, we love insults and tough talk now, right?

The rest of the piece is a restating of the constitutional fact that Congress is a co-equal branch of government, if you don’t count McCain’s* 160-word intro boldly declaring that Nazis are bad. Here’s the meat:

Our entire system of government — with its checks and balances, its bicameral Congress, its protections of the rights of the minority — was designed for compromise. It seldom works smoothly or speedily. It was never expected to.

That has never been truer than today, when Congress must govern with a president who has no experience of public office, is often poorly informed and can be impulsive in his speech and conduct.

We must respect his authority and constitutional responsibilities. We must, where we can, cooperate with him. But we are not his subordinates. We don’t answer to him. We answer to the American people. We must be diligent in discharging our responsibility to serve as a check on his power. And we should value our identity as members of Congress more than our partisan affiliation.

There was the hit on Trump, but McCain is focused on the fact that Congress was set up to be a slow, messy meat grinder. The constitution throws spike strips in the way of politicians, it doesn’t grease the skids.

I argued during the health-care debate for a return to regular order, letting committees of jurisdiction do the principal work of crafting legislation and letting the full Senate debate and amend their efforts.

We won’t settle all our differences that way, but such an approach is more likely to make progress on the central problems confronting our constituents. We might not like the compromises regular order requires, but we can and must live with them if we are to find real and lasting solutions. And all of us in Congress have the duty, in this sharply polarized atmosphere, to defend the necessity of compromise before the American public.

Let’s try that approach on a budget that realistically meets the nation’s critical needs. We all know spending levels for defense and other urgent priorities have been woefully inadequate for years. But we haven’t found the will to work together to adjust them. The appropriators can’t complete their spending bills, and we’re stuck with threats of a government shutdown and continuing resolutions that underfund national security. A compromise that raises spending caps for both sides’ priorities is better than the abject failure that has been our achievement to date.

Those on the right are blasting McCain* not for his specific words, but for how he has traditionally used his power. In general, he’s desperate to work with liberals and sabotages conservative reforms any chance he gets. So when McCain* speaks of compromise with the Chuck Schumers of the world, Republican voters instinctively hide their wallets.

It certainly doesn’t help when he writes, “We all know spending levels for defense and other urgent priorities have been woefully inadequate for years.” Senator McCain*, we are $20 trillion in debt. The only thing that has been woefully inadequate are budget cuts, and massive ones at that.

As an Arizonan, I’m prone to take McCain’s* words with a grain of salt. (Okay, all the grains of salt in the Gulf of Mexico.) But he, and his fellow Arizonan Jeff Flake, do have a point: Constitutional politics is all about compromise, as unappealing as that is. The GOP controls both houses of Congress, the White House, and arguably the Supreme Court, yet have proven unable to pass much of anything. The party needs to decide if it wants to govern or if it just wants to share sick burns on Twitter and in the pages of the Washington Post.

*Sen. John McCain is a war hero and we all wish him a rapid recovery from cancer.

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  1. Randy Weivoda Moderator
    Randy Weivoda Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: It certainly doesn’t help when he writes, “We all know spending levels for defense and other urgent priorities have been woefully inadequate for years.” Senator McCain*, we are $20 trillion in debt. The only thing that has been woefully inadequate are budget cuts, and massive ones at that.

    No kidding. Just how many trillions of dollars a year do they need before McCain and friends think it’s enough? It’s like when they ask a representative for a teacher’s union how much would really be enough.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM PDT
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  2. Umbrasjg Inactive

    Well said Ex-Jon, well said.

    Better to get 60%-70% of what you want than none at all. Now if President Trump wants to attack Red State Democrats (IN, ND, WV, OH, MO and maybe WI & FL) to try and get more Senate votes to make Republican legislative priorities easier to pass rather than Swing State Republicans (like AZ) that would be swell

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    • September 1, 2017, at 1:54 PM PDT
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  3. Henry Racette Contributor

    Jon, I think this would have been a much stronger piece if you had mentioned that Sen. John McCain is a war hero and we all wish him a rapid recovery from cancer. Or words to that effect.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:04 PM PDT
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  4. Profile Photo Member

    This is the kind of piece that is always written about McCain after he is safely re-elected.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:07 PM PDT
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  5. Eugene Kriegsmann Member

    From my perspective, it really is about compromise, just as McCain says. Unfortunately, Senator McCain’s idea of compromise is to bend over an allow the opposition to get whatever it is that will make them happy. McCain for all his bravado is an appeaser. Schumer, among the most despiccable members of the Senate, has a spine which is rigid and unbending, so McCain willingly bends to make it all seem more collegial and to accomplish something that appears to represent a compromise. Schumer whines and McCain appeases. It’s enough to make you sick. I am not crazy about Trump, but I certainly like him better than Schumer, and it seems to me that any Republican who finds it easier to deal with the likes of Chuckie instead of Trump should change the bracketed capital letter after his title and name from an R to a D.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:08 PM PDT
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  6. Basil Fawlty Member
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    ** And a happy retirement.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:09 PM PDT
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  7. WI Con Member
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    I sincerely hope that Senator McCain’s condition stabilizes and his cancer goes into remission- long enough for him to witness losing to a primary challenger, who then goes on to be a solid, Ted Cruz/Mike Lee/Rand Paul type.

    I’d prefer that shame, embarrassment and rage consume him.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:15 PM PDT
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  8. Skyler Coolidge

    Can I still hate on McCain even though he has cancer in whatever is left in his miniscule, bottom of his class, plane crashing brain?

    Perhaps he could work things out with his peers more effectively rather than being a loud mouth, back benching bomb thrower.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:15 PM PDT
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  9. Heather Champion Member

    Could be round 776, that many days since Trump said he likes heroes who weren’t captured. Good piece. Also, I peronally wish Senator McCain strength and send prayers for him and his family on this journey with cancer.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:15 PM PDT
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  10. James Gawron Thatcher
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    Jon, I think this would have been a much stronger piece if you had mentioned that Sen. John McCain is a war hero and we all wish him a rapid recovery from cancer. Or words to that effect.

    Jon,

    I agree with Henry that you most certainly should have mentioned this. Recently on Ricochet, someone realized that John McCain was reminding them of the Norma Desmond character in the movie “Sunset Blvd.” How strange, McCain also reminds me of Norma’s unquenchable thirst for the limelight.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:22 PM PDT
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  11. Arahant Member

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: Our entire system of government — with its checks and balances, its bicameral Congress, its protections of the rights of the minority — was designed for compromise.

    I thought it was designed to get nothing done unless a good proportion of the people and states agreed it should be done.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:25 PM PDT
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  12. WI Con Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: Our entire system of government — with its checks and balances, its bicameral Congress, its protections of the rights of the minority — was designed for compromise.

    I thought it was designed to get nothing done unless a good proportion of the people and states agreed it should be done.

    So where is this ‘principled’ demand for regular order when it comes to Administrative Law from unaccountable agencies, or the appropriations process vs continuing resolutions, ‘regular, Constitutional order’ when it comes to declarations of war when he and his poodle Graham want to arm/bomb people.

    i really don’t like that guy.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:38 PM PDT
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  13. Arahant Member

    WI Con (View Comment):
    i really don’t like that guy.

    Keating Five.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:39 PM PDT
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  14. Jamie Lockett Inactive

    Well said, @exjon.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:41 PM PDT
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  15. Quake Voter Inactive

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: [McCain] It seldom works smoothly or speedily. It was never expected to.

    Alas this is not true when a presidential candidate is so inept, erratic and punchless that his opponent is swept into office with a filibuster-proof majority.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:43 PM PDT
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  16. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Trump won. McCain lost.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:44 PM PDT
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  17. Jamie Lockett Inactive

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump won. McCain lost.

    McCain is still a Senator isn’t he?

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:47 PM PDT
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  18. Quake Voter Inactive

    Umbrasjg (View Comment):
    Better to get 60%-70% of what you want than none at all.

    The sad state of play on ACA repeal was the GOP bargained against itself and wound up with 5% of what they (including one Senator John McCain) promised for seven years. Even that 5% was too draconian for McCain (and, in fairness, ten other GOP senators).

    Not one dollar taken from the largest Medicaid expansion in history over ten years.

    Honestly, Umbrasijg, what compromise was left to be made? We’d already surrendered on 95% of the central tent pole issue in the GOP tent.

    McCain is the second coming of Stephen A. Douglas. Self-dramatizing, unreliable windbag who’s accomplished next to nothing over a nearly 40-year Congressional career.

    Maybe that’s unfair. At least Douglas defeated Lecompton.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:52 PM PDT
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  19. James Gawron Thatcher
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump won. McCain lost.

    McCain is still a Senator isn’t he?

    Jamie & Bryan,

    McCain is still big, it’s the politics that got small.

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM PDT
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  20. Judge Mental Member

    If McCain actually believes all of this then he should refrain from blaming Trump when Congress fails to act.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 2:59 PM PDT
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  21. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump won. McCain lost.

    McCain is still a Senator isn’t he?

    yes, because he could not win the White House. Thanks to him. we got two years of Obama.

    I will hold that against him until he dies. Trump won and beat Hillary. I will celebrate that unitl I die.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 3:04 PM PDT
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  22. Umbrasjg Inactive

    Quake Voter (View Comment):

    Umbrasjg (View Comment):
    Better to get 60%-70% of what you want than none at all.

    Honestly, Umbrasijg, what compromise was left to be made? We’d already surrendered on 95% of the central tent pole issue in the GOP tent.

    If you’re talking about the “skinny repeal”, that was just theater. The only way to repeal ACA is to write a brand new law to make it go away, and that requires 60 votes OR Dems voting for cloture which means they’re going to get a say in the finished product. Pruning it via reconciliation won’t make much of a difference. This is literally a math problem. Get more votes. You can elect some or negotiate for some, there’s no third option.

    See if Trump really wanted to get stuff done he’d be running Red State Dem Senators out of Congress instead of losing an AZ Senator. Just saying.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 3:04 PM PDT
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  23. Randy Webster Member

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):
    ** And a happy retirement.

    Soon.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 3:08 PM PDT
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  24. Jamie Lockett Inactive

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump won. McCain lost.

    McCain is still a Senator isn’t he?

    yes, because he could not win the White House. Thanks to him. we got two years of Obama.

    I will hold that against him until he dies. Trump won and beat Hillary. I will celebrate that unitl I die.

    I still don’t understand what bearing that has on the argument advanced by McCain here but okay.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 3:10 PM PDT
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  25. Basil Fawlty Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump won. McCain lost.

    McCain is still a Senator isn’t he?

    Well, he plays one on TV.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 3:13 PM PDT
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  26. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump won. McCain lost.

    McCain is still a Senator isn’t he?

    yes, because he could not win the White House. Thanks to him. we got two years of Obama.

    I will hold that against him until he dies. Trump won and beat Hillary. I will celebrate that unitl I die.

    I still don’t understand what bearing that has on the argument advanced by McCain here but okay.

    Simple. He is a loser. I have no reason to listen to him on how any president should act, as McCain was not even good enough to get elected. Therefore, his judgement is crap.

    I have never liked the man, held my nose and voted for him, and got Obama. He is exactly what is wrong with the GOP. Good riddance.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 3:14 PM PDT
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  27. Jamie Lockett Inactive

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump won. McCain lost.

    McCain is still a Senator isn’t he?

    yes, because he could not win the White House. Thanks to him. we got two years of Obama.

    I will hold that against him until he dies. Trump won and beat Hillary. I will celebrate that unitl I die.

    I still don’t understand what bearing that has on the argument advanced by McCain here but okay.

    Simple. He is a loser. I have no reason to listen to him on how any president should act, as McCain was not even good enough to get elected. Therefore, his judgement is crap.

    I have never liked the man, held my nose and voted for him, and got Obama. He is exactly what is wrong with the GOP. Good riddance.

    Right so does that mean you no longer listen to what Ted Cruz has to say?

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    • September 1, 2017, at 3:27 PM PDT
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  28. Quake Voter Inactive

    Umbrasjg (View Comment):

    Quake Voter (View Comment):

    Umbrasjg (View Comment):
    Better to get 60%-70% of what you want than none at all.

    Honestly, Umbrasijg, what compromise was left to be made? We’d already surrendered on 95% of the central tent pole issue in the GOP tent.

    If you’re talking about the “skinny repeal”, that was just theater. The only way to repeal ACA is to write a brand new law to make it go away, and that requires 60 votes OR Dems voting for cloture which means they’re going to get a say in the finished product. Pruning it via reconciliation won’t make much of a difference. This is literally a math problem. Get more votes. You can elect some or negotiate for some, there’s no third option.

    See if Trump really wanted to get stuff done he’d be running Red State Dem Senators out of Congress instead of losing an AZ Senator. Just saying.

    Come on, a good faith effort via reconciliation (50 votes plus Pence) could have rid the country of every Obamacare tax and employer/ individual mandate as well as permitting the most fundamental federalist reduction of Medicare every attempted. It was the Gotterdammerung of Failure Theatre. The 60-70% of the repeal was there for straight party-line enactment. One-quarter of the GOP House and one-third of the GOP Senate are simply professional liars. They are very content with making the most minimal cosmetic changes to the ACA. We were at least 10-15 votes in Senate from approving any bill the Freedom Caucus could countenance.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 3:28 PM PDT
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  29. Quake Voter Inactive

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump won. McCain lost.

    McCain is still a Senator isn’t he?

    yes, because he could not win the White House. Thanks to him. we got two years of Obama.

    I will hold that against him until he dies. Trump won and beat Hillary. I will celebrate that unitl I die.

    I still don’t understand what bearing that has on the argument advanced by McCain here but okay.

    Simple. He is a loser. I have no reason to listen to him on how any president should act, as McCain was not even good enough to get elected. Therefore, his judgement is crap.

    I have never liked the man, held my nose and voted for him, and got Obama. He is exactly what is wrong with the GOP. Good riddance.

    Right so does that mean you no longer listen to what Ted Cruz has to say?

    No, but when he comes out after winning a crucial potentially race-changing primary and starts “Thank Gaaaaaaaaaawwwwwd for..” I stop listening.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 3:33 PM PDT
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  30. JcTPatriot Inactive

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Trump won. McCain lost.

    McCain’s 2008 President votes: 59,948,323
    Trump’s 2016 President votes: 62,984,825

    The only thing I wish for John McCain is a quick retirement, and I don’t care if it is caused by the cancer. At 80 years old, he shouldn’t even be allowed in the Senate. Add to that fact, he has freakin brain cancer, and there should be some automatic way to impeach him if he won’t leave. He is one of three reasons the GOP cannot get anything passed. The other two reasons are named Murkowski and Collins.

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    • September 1, 2017, at 3:35 PM PDT
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