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of course the result is individualized – how could it not be?
Very true. And even when an artist is being derivative or otherwise relying too much on the style of others, the result still has that person’s unique imprint.
Beautiful music.
This part does not seem sound. If one says, man is a maker, that that is specific to his being, or special, one does not thereby ignore that not all men are very good makers. I’d say that the opposite is accomplished in the ordinary run of things whenever we seek, reward, & honor the best–we know what man is from the best men.
Next, making is not uncomplicated. There seem to be two kinds of arts or sciences, you can call them theoretical & practical, contemplation & making. It is not evident that poetry, which itself means making, really is any kind of making. If it is making speeches, then we all are. But we are not all poets!
If you want to look at it clearly, the problem is this. An art that makes things must know its matter–but does not decide what to make–it needs guidance from a wish or a desire. The poet would then wait on his audience. But an art that is a contemplation, which would free the poet from the tyranny of his audience, has its own requirements: it would have to know its elements, their number & their relationships. It would seem we are trapped between the two, in order to preserve both our claims to freedom & our ability to communicate.
So maybe it’s best to think about what Wallace Stevens is trying to talk about in that poem. There’s a lady who sings, but you do not hear her song–you read that there she is & that’s what she’s doing. There is not relation between her song & the speech you read. That would seem to be the relation between the spontaneous & the artificial. It is the maker of the poem who calls the lady a maker. Now, if he is witnessing something essential–what is it? The sea is nature in its formlessness, infinite, & unpredictable. It’s probably easier to make sense of his intention that way–if you think that it’s what Hemingway had in mind in The old man & the sea.
As for the Basho haiku–isn’t the point more like in the first chapter of Genesis, the separation of waters below & above? You can no more see the heavens than the sea without light–but the stars do not seem to be the point there. It’s the strange solidity of the island, surrounded by motions.
There are all kinds of making. Not every work achieves immortality, or even temporary fame. Just because it doesn’t reach that rarified level doesn’t mean that it fails to evoke the spark of the divine that is our creativity.
We are made in His image. He is Creator, therefore we create as well.
I think that’s way trickier than it sounds. Here’s one paradox. How do are we commanded to be like God? By keeping the Sabbath holy. God rested, free of creation, work, &c. So must we achieve some leisure from our busyness. But that’s not creation–it’s way closer to contemplation!
As for being commanded by God, that’s to be fruitful & multiply. That’s creation.
Oh, did I forget to include the link to Tiamat? I meant to. Yes, I agree about the vast formlessness of the sea.
I did read The Old Man and the Sea in my youth. It is perhaps the world’s longest fish story. I’m not sure I ever get much out of Hemingway other than “look how manly my writing is — see what a pansy I’m not”.
You’re maybe bringing to that book stuff you’ve heard about the guy or maybe read in his early writings. The old man & the sea is a work of rare sensitivity. The fact that it’s an old man & a boy; the mention of Joe DiMaggio & baseball generally; & the old man’s reflections on where man stands to nature–they make for a story rarely equaled in American literature. Perhaps you will find the time at some point to read it. Perhaps you will read it to your boy when he’s the age of the boy in the story-
Here is the link to Tiamat.
Sado Island, during Basho’s time, was something like a penal colony, a place inconvenient nobles were sent, never to return. The solidity of the island may be less notable than the island’s wild loneliness, squeezed between two infinities.
The stars as individual points of light are not the point, I agree, but in terms of making the music imitate the words, going for a “starlike ” sense of sonic light makes sense. There’s also a rippling ascent on “River” in “River of Heaven”, a phrase which suggests flow rather than stasis, putting the idea of fluid motion both above and below the island, although the Milky Way also has an immense stillness which opposes the mutability and restlessness of the sea.
What the translator translated as “smothers” is in other translations translated as reaching over or stretching across, but apparently means literally lying still on. No English translation uses “lies still on” that I’m aware of. One even uses “flows” over — rather different from lying still! But putting all these cues together, if you don’t speak Japanese, suggests the Milky Way surrounds the island from above and doesn’t budge, something that is sorta like smothering, and according to his students, captures the feel of the poem in the original Japanese. It is true, however, that a Japanese word literally meaning “smothers” wasn’t used. The state of the sea is variously translated as rough, turbulent, wild — every translation seems compatible with a sense of agitation.
The wife says the music is very beautiful. I also took a liking to it, but who can compete with such superlatives!
Those who want to go deeper into this idea–that Godly art needs a contemplative side, and that religious art today needs to return to contemplation and that, until it does, it will continue to suck–should listen to Ben DeBono on this topic. The podcast is called The Sci-Fi Christian, but Ben is a very thoughtful person. The podcast covers lots of deep topics relating to theology and culture and is not limited to science fiction at all. I highly recommend it!
I’ll look for it, Fredö. Thanks.
I’m not buying it. I can go so far as to see ‘the vast indifference of heaven’ there; but not the smothering business.
But I was trying to suggest rethinking what the sea means. Maybe restlessness is existentially adequate to the situation!
Thank you for this!
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Midge, is that music your composition? Hauntingly perfect. I’ve just stepped in from outside where the night music of the tree crickets was as moving as the total eclipse.
Well… (blush)… it’s my real-life alias’s composition… ;-P