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  1. Max Ledoux Coolidge
    Max Ledoux
    @Max

    To hear what Trump said, subscribe to and then listen to POTUS POD:

    President Trump Signs Veterans’ Bill and Makes Statement on Charlottesville

    President Trump Statement on Charlottesville

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  2. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Hear, hear! The people who showed up at Lee/Emancipation Park, who embrace either of the names “white nationalists” or “antifa”, are enemies of our civilized country.

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  3. outlaws6688 Member
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    @

    Reagan Battalion: the people who supported McMullin. You would have had a problem no matter what he said.

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  4. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    Sorry Peter, but I think that if Trump had made that exact statement he still would have been criticized.  He didn’t explicitly say ‘white supremacists’ or KKK.  In the context of what happened Saturday, it would have been taken as applying to both sides, and that would not be acceptable to the press.

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    I think that it was from President Reagan’s speech to the NAACP on June 29, 1981.  It was featured on Morning Joe today.

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    Sorry Peter, but I think that if Trump had made that exact statement he still would have been criticized. He didn’t explicitly say ‘white supremacists’ or KKK. In the context of what happened Saturday, it would have been taken as applying to both sides, and that would not be acceptable to the press.

    President Reagan said it to the National Convention of the NAACP on June 29, 1981 so the context was clear.

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  7. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    Sorry Peter, but I think that if Trump had made that exact statement he still would have been criticized. He didn’t explicitly say ‘white supremacists’ or KKK. In the context of what happened Saturday, it would have been taken as applying to both sides, and that would not be acceptable to the press.

    President Reagan said it to the National Convention of the NAACP on June 29, 1981 so the context was clear.

    But the thrust of the post, and my comment on it, was that Trump should have said something like this on Saturday.  And in that context, what Reagan said wouldn’t have been considered good enough.  Unless you expect Trump to run down to the NAACP to make his statement.

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  8. Salvatore Padula Inactive
    Salvatore Padula
    @SalvatorePadula

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):
    To hear what Trump said, subscribe to and then listen to POTUS POD:

    President Trump Signs Veterans’ Bill and Makes Statement on Charlottesville

    President Trump Statement on Charlottesville

    Why does ricochet  have a podcast dedicated to broadcasting trumps speeches?

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  9. katievs Inactive
    katievs
    @katievs

    I love that he puts the emphasis on conduct.

     

     

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  10. DocJay Inactive
    DocJay
    @DocJay

    He was like a grandpa to me, always wanting the best from me.  My first vote in 84 is still my proudest.

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  11. Jamie Lockett Member
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    Salvatore Padula (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):
    To hear what Trump said, subscribe to and then listen to POTUS POD:

    President Trump Signs Veterans’ Bill and Makes Statement on Charlottesville

    President Trump Statement on Charlottesville

    Why does ricochet have a podcast dedicated to broadcasting trumps speeches?

    Because, Max.

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  12. Jamie Lockett Member
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    katievs (View Comment):
    I love that he puts the emphasis on conduct.

    Indeed, also YAY you’re back.

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  13. Doug Watt Member
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    I still miss him.

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  14. BD1 Member
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    “Reagan Battalion” = Evan McMullin Battalion.

    ”Adding perhaps to the cautious reception he was given by the Urban League here was Mr. Reagan’s appearance Sunday at the Neshoa County Fair in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were slain in 1964.”

    These allegations are not new, but now EstabliCons are helping the liberal media push them.

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  15. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
    Goldwaterwoman
    @goldwaterwoman

    I don’t get all the back and forth over how Trump should have phrased his remarks as they were pretty standard, and everyone certainly knew who he was talking about. The story is not Trump, but who was behind the riots. Where did they come from; who financed them; who organized the event. How many more of them are out there? What is their purpose? Where did what started out as a peaceful protest go wrong. Finally, why are we tearing down statues relating to our past history?

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  16. Salvatore Padula Inactive
    Salvatore Padula
    @SalvatorePadula

    BD1 (View Comment):
    “Reagan Battalion” = Evan McMullin Battalion.

    ”Adding perhaps to the cautious reception he was given by the Urban League here was Mr. Reagan’s appearance Sunday at the Neshoa County Fair in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were slain in 1964.”

    These allegations are not new, but now Establicons are helping the liberal media push them.

    Does it matter what the Reagan Battalion’s affiliation is? It’s a video of a speech that Reagan actually gave. They didn’t make it up.

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  17. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    I don’t get all the back and forth over how Trump should have phrased his remarks as they were pretty standard, and everyone certainly knew who he was talking about. The story is not Trump, but who was behind the riots. Where did they come from; who financed them; who organized the event. How many more of them are out there? What is their purpose? Where did what started out as a peaceful protest go wrong. Finally, why are we tearing down statues relating to our past history?

    Because, Dylan Roof.

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  18. Jamie Lockett Member
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    Salvatore Padula (View Comment):

    BD1 (View Comment):
    “Reagan Battalion” = Evan McMullin Battalion.

    ”Adding perhaps to the cautious reception he was given by the Urban League here was Mr. Reagan’s appearance Sunday at the Neshoa County Fair in Philadelphia, Miss., where three young civil rights workers were slain in 1964.”

    These allegations are not new, but now Establicons are helping the liberal media push them.

    Does it matter what the Reagan Battalion’s affiliation is? It’s a video of a speech that Reagan actually gave. They didn’t make it up.

    Dude, not worth it.

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  19. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    I don’t get all the back and forth over how Trump should have phrased his remarks as they were pretty standard, and everyone certainly knew who he was talking about. The story is not Trump, but who was behind the riots. Where did they come from; who financed them; who organized the event. How many more of them are out there? What is their purpose? Where did what started out as a peaceful protest go wrong. Finally, why are we tearing down statues relating to our past history?

    This is what happens when the President is not specific about who he is condemning:

    On the statues, if they are to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, then they probably have to go.

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  20. BD1 Member
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    Reagan gave that speech, and he also gave the speech in Philadelphia, Miss., and laid a wreath at the Bitburg Cemetary.  This didn’t make him a KKK or Nazi sympathizer.

    For the Evan McMullin Battalion to argue that these controversies are unique to Trump is ahistorical and ridiculous.

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  21. profdlp Inactive
    profdlp
    @profdlp

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    On the statues, if they are to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, then they probably have to go.

    What a brilliant idea.  All the neo-Nazis would have to do then is start protesting the existence of statues of MLK instead of the removal of Confederate statues.  By your logic, down they come.  Does this mean I will lose a holiday in January, too?

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  22. Jerome Danner Inactive
    Jerome Danner
    @JeromeDanner

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    I don’t get all the back and forth over how Trump should have phrased his remarks as they were pretty standard, and everyone certainly knew who he was talking about. The story is not Trump, but who was behind the riots. Where did they come from; who financed them; who organized the event. How many more of them are out there? What is their purpose? Where did what started out as a peaceful protest go wrong. Finally, why are we tearing down statues relating to our past history?

    This is what happens when the President is not specific about who he is condemning:

    On the statues, if they are to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, then they probably have to go.

    To me, this is kind of a spin.  Richard Spencer is smart enough to know that if he (Mr. Spencer) is a part of the hate, then that would include him too, not just Antifa.  I still feel like people are being overly dramatic on what Trump has or has not said.

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  23. Salvatore Padula Inactive
    Salvatore Padula
    @SalvatorePadula

    Jerome Danner (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):
    I don’t get all the back and forth over how Trump should have phrased his remarks as they were pretty standard, and everyone certainly knew who he was talking about. The story is not Trump, but who was behind the riots. Where did they come from; who financed them; who organized the event. How many more of them are out there? What is their purpose? Where did what started out as a peaceful protest go wrong. Finally, why are we tearing down statues relating to our past history?

    This is what happens when the President is not specific about who he is condemning:

    On the statues, if they are to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, then they probably have to go.

    To me, this is kind of a spin. Richard Spencer is smart enough to know that if he (Mr. Spencer) is a part of the hate, then that would include him too, not just Antifa. I still feel like people are being overly dramatic on what Trump has or has not said.

    Spencer’s claims that Trump targeted antifa is indeed  a stretch. ( I never thought I’d write this, but) for a more well-reasoned  take on Trump’s comments I would direct you to this coverage by Stormfront:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHD61dKUwAAOOak?format=jpg&name=large

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  24. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    profdlp (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    On the statues, if they are to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, then they probably have to go.

    What a brilliant idea. All the neo-Nazis would have to do then is start protesting the existence of statues of MLK instead of the removal of Confederate statues. By your logic, down they come. Does this mean I will lose a holiday in January, too?

    This is a fair point.

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  25. Blue Yeti Admin
    Blue Yeti
    @BlueYeti

    Salvatore Padula (View Comment):
    Spencer’s claims that Trump targeted antifa is indeed a stretch. ( I never thought I’d write this, but) for a more well-reasoned take on Trump’s comments I would direct you to this coverage by Stormfront:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHD61dKUwAAOOak?format=jpg&name=large

    There is no way in hell I’m clicking on that link.

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  26. Salvatore Padula Inactive
    Salvatore Padula
    @SalvatorePadula

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    profdlp (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    On the statues, if they are to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, then they probably have to go.

    What a brilliant idea. All the neo-Nazis would have to do then is start protesting the existence of statues of MLK instead of the removal of Confederate statues. By your logic, down they come. Does this mean I will lose a holiday in January, too?

    This is a fair point.

    It’s not really. It’s meretricious.  Fair or not, the appropriation of symbols by Nazis discredits those symbols’ use by other segments of the population.  I have a first addition of Kipling’s poetry published in 1901 that has a swastika on the binding. You don’t see swastikas on recent editions.

    That said, the idea that MLK monuments would be removed because  white supremacists don’t like them has it exactly backwards. White supremacist would have to be in favor of MLK monuments in order to discredit them and even then the idea that people wouldn’t be able to see through the transparently pretextual reasoning is frankly absurd.

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  27. Salvatore Padula Inactive
    Salvatore Padula
    @SalvatorePadula

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    Salvatore Padula (View Comment):
    Spencer’s claims that Trump targeted antifa is indeed a stretch. ( I never thought I’d write this, but) for a more well-reasoned take on Trump’s comments I would direct you to this coverage by Stormfront:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHD61dKUwAAOOak?format=jpg&name=large

    There is no way in hell I’m clicking on that link.

    It’s a screenshot, not a link to the website. Take a look.

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  28. Mike LaRoche Inactive
    Mike LaRoche
    @MikeLaRoche

    Salvatore Padula (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):
    To hear what Trump said, subscribe to and then listen to POTUS POD:

    President Trump Signs Veterans’ Bill and Makes Statement on Charlottesville

    President Trump Statement on Charlottesville

    Why does ricochet have a podcast dedicated to broadcasting trumps speeches?

    Balance.

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  29. Jamie Lockett Member
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    Salvatore Padula (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):
    To hear what Trump said, subscribe to and then listen to POTUS POD:

    President Trump Signs Veterans’ Bill and Makes Statement on Charlottesville

    President Trump Statement on Charlottesville

    Why does ricochet have a podcast dedicated to broadcasting trumps speeches?

    Balance.

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  30. lowtech redneck Coolidge
    lowtech redneck
    @lowtech redneck

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):
    On the statues, if they are to become rallying points for neo-Nazis, then they probably have to go.

    No.  I absolutely refuse to ever again allow either the Leftists or a crassly opportunistic anti-Southern contingent of the Republican party to use the neo-Nazis as an excuse to destroy or stigmatize Southern heritage sites and/or cultural landmarks and icons.  We were caught by surprise by the betrayals after the Charleston massacre, that will not happen again.  It is also not in any conservative’s interest in any event, as it will only bring the Leftists closer to Washington, Jefferson, and most of the other Founding Fathers (whom the white supremacists may also choose to rally around for the wrong reasons).

     

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