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The Difference Between Israel and North Korea

 

Susan Rice has written an article in which she argues that we can tolerate a nuclear North Korea, and there are those over at The New York Times who agree. The only reason I know about this article is because my husband reads and comments at the New York Times website; he enjoys venturing into the lion’s den. The folks over at the Times have been getting nuttier and nuttier ever since President Trump (I love saying that) was elected.

Anyway, after reading the article, my husband posted a comment in which explained his view on why we really can’t tolerate a nuclear North Korea. We both knew that he would be attacked (he always is), but a couple of comments surprised me: a couple of commenters suggested that there is no difference between North Korea and Israel.

I am beginning to think that the New York Times comment section should be required reading for everyone; my husband has become far more conservative since he started reading the Times. I don’t know whether that is a coincidence or not, but today he said, when speaking of the people at the Times, “They aren’t right in the head.”

The craziness and stupidity on the left continues to surprise me. Even after all these years. It shouldn’t, but it does.

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  1. Profile photo of RushBabe49 Thatcher

    Not only are they not right in the head, the majority of them are Jewish. That is a disgrace.

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    • August 10, 2017 at 9:09 pm
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  2. Profile photo of Randy Webster Member

    If there’s any justice, when the NorKs nuke us, Susan Rice will be caught in the blast.

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    • August 10, 2017 at 9:47 pm
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  3. Profile photo of J. D. Fitzpatrick Member

    I was at a dinner party with a friend who is from Germany. She said at one point that she didn’t like hearing that “America was the best country.” I asked her why not. “Because every country is the best country!”

    I said “What about North Korea?” She got this circling the wagons expression in her eyes, but didn’t say anything. Fortunately someone else changed the topic.

    I mean, what can you say to people like that? Nothing. Even the pointed facts of the world can’t penetrate their coat of beautiful convictions.

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    • August 10, 2017 at 9:50 pm
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  4. Profile photo of I Walton Member

    We don’t know what they will do, when they can do do it nor what the consequences in the region might be if NK possesses a bunch of deliverable nukes and continues to develop them and to threaten. Their threats may be empty gestures for their own population. But we can’t know that. President Trump has drawn a line in the sand, but it’s a vague one so there is no deadline nor action forcing event unless NK launches one against us or an ally. He and his regime cannot survive an attack by us. We and who ever he may attack can survive. So the best guess is that he continues to posture and develop capabilities, other countries in the region are most likely to also develop Nuclear weapons and delivery systems. Economic sanctions don’t work but if China insisted that North Korea stop its programs, it could make them do so. If we preemptively strike we have to obliterate the place or South Korea may suffer gravely which would almost certainly treat the world to an economic depression. It might help reelect Democrats and this would harm the US far more than North Korea could. Everything takes us back to China. They need to fix this. They do not want NK to collapse which it will do if we attack. They get the refugees and the resulting chaos. The Chinese will not act unless they take President Trump seriously. So if we want to solve this we have to prepare to obliterate them and we have to mean it. If we do China may fix the problem before we have to. But if the Chinese do not fix it we have to obliterate them at some point.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 4:53 am
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  5. Profile photo of Fake John/Jane Galt Thatcher

    In the end we will tolerate a nuclear North Korea because we will have no other choice. It is the same reason why we tolerate all the other nuclear states. I suspect that eventually all states will go nuclear for their own self defense / peace of mind. If I lived in another country I would not want my continued good health to be protected by the good will of politicians in another country.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 5:39 am
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  6. Profile photo of Bob Thompson Member

    Judithann Campbell:I am beginning to think that the New York Times comment section should be required reading for everyone; my husband has become far more conservative since he started reading the Times. I don’t know whether that is a coincidence or not, but today he said, when speaking of the people at the Times, “They aren’t right in the head.”

    This very thing enlightened my understanding of the Washington Post readership several years ago.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 7:11 am
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  7. Profile photo of Doug Watt Member

    Some people are just moral relativists and they cannot make distinctions between good and evil. Actions are meaningless to them. Americans have the luxury of preaching moral equivalency in a relatively safe country. Isn’t it odd that the New York Times does not feature summer home rentals or summer homes for sale on the North Korean coasts. The American moral relativist carries a lot of baggage, unfortunately none of it is luggage.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 7:36 am
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  8. Profile photo of Joe P Member

    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    Some people are just moral relativists and they cannot make distinctions between good and evil. Actions are meaningless to them. Americans have the luxury of preaching moral equivalency in a relatively safe country. Isn’t it odd that the New York Times does not feature summer home rentals or summer homes for sale on the North Korean coasts. The American moral relativist carries a lot of baggage, unfortunately none of it is luggage.

    You might be entirely too charitable in assuming that equating Israel and North Korea is a case of moral relativism. It is possible that they really think that Israel is a rogue state that is merely propped up as a client by a great power and would otherwise have been erased decades ago by an international military coalition.

    Don’t underestimate the rampant anti-semitism of the Left and how it can lead to the beliving incorrect premises in what they assume is an objective moral framework.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 7:52 am
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    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):
    “Because every country is the best country!”

    I’d like to encourage her to visit NK, Saudi Arabia, Myanmar, Libya to name a few and test her convictions…

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    • August 11, 2017 at 8:18 am
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    Judithann Campbell Post author

    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):
    I was at a dinner party with a friend who is from Germany. She said at one point that she didn’t like hearing that “America was the best country.” I asked her why not. “Because every country is the best country!”

    I said “What about North Korea?” She got this circling the wagons expression in her eyes, but didn’t say anything. Fortunately someone else changed the topic.

    I mean, what can you say to people like that? Nothing. Even the pointed facts of the world can’t penetrate their coat of beautiful convictions.

    When my husband first told me about Susan Rice’s North Korea article and some of the comments that followed, my first reaction was to say that they don’t care about America; my husband shook his head, and said “No, they are just stupid”. He may well be right about that: I hope that their being stupid is better than their being evil. Like I said before, this should not surprise me, but it does, and it is forcing me to reconsider my opinion of leftists. Up until now, I have kind of assumed that they were relatively smart people who had different principles than me. But to state that there is no difference between Israel and North Korea is just stupid, and you are right: there is nothing you can say to people like that.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 8:53 am
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    Some people are just moral relativists and they cannot make distinctions between good and evil. Actions are meaningless to them. Americans have the luxury of preaching moral equivalency in a relatively safe country. … The American moral relativist carries a lot of baggage, unfortunately none of it is luggage.

    So far, my favorite comment of the day. Smart words. But I’m wondering how many of my blue family members you have actually met.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 2:25 pm
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  12. Profile photo of drlorentz Member

    Judithann Campbell: “They aren’t right in the head.”

    They went a little funny in the head, like General Ripper.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 2:26 pm
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    The American moral relativist carries a lot of baggage, unfortunately none of it is luggage.

    OK! You nailed the pithy award for the month.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 2:36 pm
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    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):
    “Because every country is the best country!”

    I mean, what can you say to people like that? Nothing. Even the pointed facts of the world can’t penetrate their coat of beautiful convictions.

    Her statement isn’t even logical. There can only be one best country (by whatever criteria) by the very nature of the word best. Not that I necessarily expect logical thought from the Left since it’s all about the feelz.

    Maybe she got the idea from the everyone is a winner/everyone gets a trophy ethos. After all, we wouldn’t want to hurt any country’s feelings by saying that it wasn’t the best, right? Or maybe it’s the moral relativism.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 2:40 pm
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    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):

    J. D. Fitzpatrick (View Comment):
    I was at a dinner party with a friend who is from Germany. She said at one point that she didn’t like hearing that “America was the best country.” I asked her why not. “Because every country is the best country!”

    I said “What about North Korea?” She got this circling the wagons expression in her eyes, but didn’t say anything. Fortunately someone else changed the topic.

    I mean, what can you say to people like that? Nothing. Even the pointed facts of the world can’t penetrate their coat of beautiful convictions.

    When my husband first told me about Susan Rice’s North Korea article and some of the comments that followed, my first reaction was to say that they don’t care about America; my husband shook his head, and said “No, they are just stupid”. He may well be right about that: I hope that their being stupid is better than their being evil. Like I said before, this should not surprise me, but it does, and it is forcing me to reconsider my opinion of leftists. Up until now, I have kind of assumed that they were relatively smart people who had different principles than me. But to state that there is no difference between Israel and North Korea is just stupid, and you are right: there is nothing you can say to people like that.

    Is your husband a police officer, if not he should have been. The vast majority of people I arrested in my former life were just stupid, there were some evil people that I arrested on occasion. Your husband would have felt at right at home in roll call.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 2:41 pm
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  16. Profile photo of civil westman Member

    Everything is morally equivalent to progressives, except non-progressive political/policy views expressed by their native-born white, hetero countrymen (or “inauthentic” minority group members who agree with them). Those views constitute Nazism to the third power at the very least.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 3:08 pm
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    John/Jane: “In the end we will tolerate a nuclear North Korea because we will have no other choice.”

    Got it exactly backwards John/Jane.

    We cannot tolerate a nuclear North Korea with the ability to destroy it’s neighbors at will and with a madman at the helm. Sooner or later if we let it go, millions of innocents will die, and many could be Americans. So do you want to be responsible for that?

    Billy Jeff Clinton, Dubya and particularly the Traitorous Buraq Hussein Obama, who knew the Norks had miniaturized nukes four years ago, were all grossly irresponsible Presidents for kicking that nuclear filled can down the road and history, if we have one in the future , will remember them as terribly weak and indeed carelessly evil men.

    The longer we wait, the greater the nuclear danger will be and the greater the number of deaths there will be when we are eventually forced to take out the garbage. Btw John/Jane, you are right about one thing -tolerating such dangerous nuclear missile threats will only increase nuclear proliferation around the globe again increasing the chances of a nuclear holocaust.

    When you shred America’s nuclear umbrella like you propose you are letting out the nuclear genie to grow , proliferate and eventually mushroom into a deadly cloud killing tens of millions. That is not a wise choice.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 3:08 pm
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  18. Profile photo of Charles Mark Member

    Every time I see, hear, read about or think about Susan Rice I recall how I gasped in astonishment as I watched her brazenly lie to her fellow Americans about Benghazi. I find it incomprehensible that anyone pays her the least smidgin of attention. That President Trump’s predecessor promoted her says it all.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 3:12 pm
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  19. Profile photo of Justin Hertog Member

    Good for your husband. I hope he mentioned that unlike North Korea, Israel doesn’t threaten other countries with nuclear war. Small diff., but, hey, Times readers might not know.

    Rice’s op-ed is a well articulated restatement of the Obama worldview, in which America uses worthless sanctions and diplomatic rhetoric against state sponsors of terrorism, in a fruitless and deceptive campaign to convince others that it is trying to prevent said regimes from developing nuclear weapons.

    Of course I’m speaking of our Iran policy and the Iran deal here, a deal that North Korea learned from. North Korea will not only not give up its nuclear weapons or its missile program, but it will also threaten to force the United States to accept nuclear threats against the homeland. She blames President Trump for his rhetoric but she was partly responsible for helping to get us to this point. If the crisis on the Korean Peninsula wasn’t so serious, we could just dismiss her article as a case of the outs blaming the ins. But it’s just too serious.

    She paints Trump as the irrational actor. Not so. Actually, Un is a lunatic who is so emboldened by our feckless Iran policy and decades of inaction and appeasement by several administrations that he actually thinks he can win a showdown with the United States. Who is responsible for training fat boy to see it that way? Rice takes her share of the blame.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 4:04 pm
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  20. Profile photo of Joseph Stanko Member

    I too am surprised Times readers can’t distinguished between Israel and North Korea. They should know that Israel is a European colony that unjustly occupies Palestinian land and practices apartheid, while the only “crime” the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is guilty of is attempting to create a Worker’s Paradise for the Korean people outside the American neocolonial economic system.

    They’d never fit in among true progressives if they’ve fallen for Faux News propaganda and think North Korea is a bad as Israel…

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    • August 11, 2017 at 4:09 pm
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    I too am surprised Times readers can’t distinguished between Israel and North Korea. They should know that Israel is a European colony that unjustly occupies Palestinian land and practices apartheid, while the only “crime” North Korea is guilty of is attempting to create a Worker’s Paradise for the Korean people outside the American neocolonial economic system.

    They’d never fit in among true progressives if they’ve fallen for Faux News propaganda and think North Korea is a bad as Israel…

    Sometimes it’s best to use the /sarc tag.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 4:12 pm
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    Sometimes it’s best to use the /sarc tag.

    If you have to explain a joke, it’s not funny. In a similar way I think that if I have to explicitly say I’m being sarcastic, I’ve missed the mark…

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    • August 11, 2017 at 4:35 pm
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  23. Profile photo of Randy Webster Member

    I’ll never explain, but you were skating on thin ice. If any leftists were reading it, they’d be nodding their heads.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 4:39 pm
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):
    I’ll never explain, but you were skating on thin ice. If any leftists were reading it, they’d be nodding their heads.

    Isn’t that the point? Some of them really do think that way, if I’ve exaggerated it’s not by much. I’d hope that even most hardcore lefties would blush a bit at defending North Korea, but I’m sure you could find many who’d say Cuba is morally superior to Israel.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 4:43 pm
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    To my surprise, Rice’s prescription , apart from the gratuitous slap at Mr Trump, is very reasonable. Squueze their nuts, avoid war, fry ’em if we must. The Left just has to always slap Mr Trump.

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    Judithann Campbell Post author

    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    Is your husband a police officer, if not he should have been. The vast majority of people I arrested in my former life were just stupid, there were some evil people that I arrested on occasion. Your husband would have felt at right at home in roll call.

    He is not a police officer; he has spent most of his adult life in sales of one sort or another, and is much better at reading and understanding people than I am 🙂

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    • August 11, 2017 at 5:56 pm
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  27. Profile photo of Randy Webster Member

    The problem with frying them is that nucular weapons are inherently sloppy. People other than the target get hurt.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 5:57 pm
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    Judithann Campbell Post author

    Justin Hertog (View Comment):
    Good for your husband. I hope he mentioned that unlike North Korea, Israel doesn’t threaten other countries with nuclear war. Small diff., but, hey, Times readers might not know.

    He didn’t bother trying to explain to the the Times readers the difference between Israel and North Korea; when I saw those comments, I wanted to respond to them, but he wouldn’t let me, and in hindsight, he was probably right. When it gets to the point where you have to explain that kind of difference to supposedly well educated people, J.D. Fitzpatrick is probably correct in saying that there is just nothing you can say to them.

    My husband is very disciplined about his comments at the Times; he states his view once, and leaves it at that. If he responded to every criticism, attack and disagreement, he wouldn’t have time for anything else in life.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 6:01 pm
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    Judithann Campbell (View Comment):
    He didn’t bother trying to explain to the the Times readers the difference between Israel and North Korea; when I saw those comments, I wanted to respond to them, but he wouldn’t let me, and in hindsight, he was probably right. When it gets to the point where you have to explain that kind of difference to supposedly well educated people, J.D. Fitzpatrick is probably correct in saying that there is just nothing you can say to them.

    There’s nothing you can say to them, true, however whenever I comment online I keep in mind that many more people are lurking and reading than participating. The person you respond to isn’t likely to change his mind and admit you’re right, but someone else reading the discussion might be persuaded and you’ll never know about it.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 6:23 pm
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    I too am surprised Times readers can’t distinguished between Israel and North Korea. They should know that Israel is a European colony that unjustly occupies Palestinian land and practices apartheid, while the only “crime” the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is guilty of is attempting to create a Worker’s Paradise for the Korean people outside the American neocolonial economic system.

    Well, they did try to forcibly impose this Workers Paradise on their neighbors to the south. Half of them have the idea that War Is Always Wrong so they should think that the DPRK is bad. But, then again, Left Wing Violence Is Ok Sometimes When We Feel Like It. Also, the divide between North and South was caused by the Evil Westerners racing to take all the territory they could from the Soviet Union. Because We All Know The Real Reason Japan Surrendered Is Soviet Tanks That Were Invading Somewhere Hundreds Of Miles Away And Not American Nuclear Weapons Which We Should Apologize For Using.

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    • August 11, 2017 at 6:42 pm
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