Mollie Hemingway and Jonah Goldberg on Special Report

 

The Federalist’s Mollie Hemingway and National Review’s Jonah Goldberg, both friends of Ricochet, disagreed last night on Special Report over President Trump’s tweets. They discussed Trump’s May 12 tweet, “James Comey better hope that there are no ‘tapes’ of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!” Mollie said, “James Comey had already been leaking to the New York Times, and he’d been presenting stories as if he was some hero of the conversations he had with Trump. That tweet actually got James Comey to admit that he did three times tell Donald Trump that he wasn’t under investigation. It got him to admit he had said Mike Flynn was a good guy when he was asked about it by the president. And it did get him to also admit that he had pledged his honest loyalty to Donald Trump, which was contrary to what he had said to the New York Times the day before that tweet.”

“It also got him a special prosecutor,” said Jonah.

“I think it’s naive to think that that would not have happened otherwise. James Comey was clearly laying the groundwork on a campaign through his leaking and it’s kind of re-writing history to say it’s otherwise.”

They also talked about Trump’s June 22 tweet, “With all of the recently reported electronic surveillance, intercepts, unmasking and illegal leaking of information, I have no idea whether there are ‘tapes’ or recordings of my conversations with James Comey, but I did not make, and do not have, any such recordings.”

Jonah said that it was “offensive” that Trump insinuated there might be recordings of the president that Trump doesn’t know about, because “there’s no evidence whatsoever that anyone was bugging or wiretapping the oval office or the president of the United States without his awareness.” Mollie pointed out that there have been numerous leaks of Trump’s private conversations, saying “You’ve had nothing but months of leaks from intelligence agencies about people affiliated with the Trump campaign or otherwise. It’s not insane at all to think there might be surveillance.”

Jonah ended by insisting, “leaking is not bugging!”

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  1. Jamie Lockett Member
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    I agree with Jonah.

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  2. BD1 Member
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  3. Max Ledoux Admin
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Just out of curiosity, how do you think Trump’s private conversations with foreign leaders have been leaked, such as his telephone call with the Australian prime minister?

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  4. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Just out of curiosity, how do you think Trump’s private conversations with foreign leaders have been leaked, such as his telephone call with the Australian prime minister?

    My understanding is that leak came from the Australian side of that conversation. Are you accusing the Australian Government of wiretapping the White House?

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  5. Max Ledoux Admin
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Just out of curiosity, how do you think Trump’s private conversations with foreign leaders have been leaked, such as his telephone call with the Australian prime minister?

    My understanding is that leak came from the Australian side of that conversation. Are you accusing the Australian Government of wiretapping the White House?

    I’m saying, as Mollie said, that Trump’s private conversations are routinely leaked to the media. I think that we can all agree that’s a fact.

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  6. Judge Mental Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Just out of curiosity, how do you think Trump’s private conversations with foreign leaders have been leaked, such as his telephone call with the Australian prime minister?

    My understanding is that leak came from the Australian side of that conversation. Are you accusing the Australian Government of wiretapping the White House?

    It’s happened five times with five different foreign leaders.  Did it come from the other side in each of those cases?

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  7. Bob Thompson Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Do you think there are no miscreants in the intelligence services or the DoJ contributing to efforts to undermine the Trump administration?

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  8. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Just out of curiosity, how do you think Trump’s private conversations with foreign leaders have been leaked, such as his telephone call with the Australian prime minister?

    My understanding is that leak came from the Australian side of that conversation. Are you accusing the Australian Government of wiretapping the White House?

    I’m saying, as Mollie said, that Trump’s private conversations are routinely leaked to the media. I think that we can all agree that’s a fact.

    Do you believe that agents of the United States Government have wiretapped the Oval Office?

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  9. Karl Nittinger Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Completely agree. The mind-boggling logical fallacy that Mollie Hemingway was engaging in when she obsessively talked about “leaks” in response to Jonah’s original point was nothing short of bizarre.

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  10. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Do you think there are no miscreants in the intelligence services or the DoJ contributing to efforts to undermine the Trump administration?

    Leaking is not wiretapping.

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  11. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Karl Nittinger (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Completely agree. The mind-boggling logical fallacy that Mollie Hemingway was engaging in when she obsessively talked about “leaks” in response to Jonah’s original point was nothing short of bizarre.

    That’s what I don’t get. We can all agree that the Trump Administration has been subject of an enormous number of leaks. We do not know the providence of those leaks, but to assume its some sort of nefarious deep state intelligence operation is conspiratorial thinking of the highest order.

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  12. Max Ledoux Admin
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    It’s happened five times with five different foreign leaders. Did it come from the other side in each of those cases?

    It could have.

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Leaking is not wiretapping.

    Where’s the information in those leaks coming from if the people leaking are not in the room with the president?

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Do you believe that agents of the United States Government have wiretapped the Oval Office?

    It’s not out of the realm of possibility. Clearly someone is listening to or monitoring Trump’s conversations in some way.

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  13. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    It’s happened five times with five different foreign leaders. Did it come from the other side in each of those cases?

    It could have.

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Leaking is not wiretapping.

    Where’s the information in those leaks coming from if the people leaking are not in the room with the president?

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Do you believe that agents of the United States Government have wiretapped the Oval Office?

    It’s not out of the realm of possibility. Clearly someone is listening to or monitoring Trump’s conversations in some way.

    Or staffers are just leaking what they have heard of reports from the conversations.

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  14. Ian Mullican Member
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    I agree with Mollie here, but it’ll be good to have had people like Jonah around when we’re looking to run a candidate who doesn’t have Trump’s personality and flaws.

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  15. I Walton Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Karl Nittinger (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Completely agree. The mind-boggling logical fallacy that Mollie Hemingway was engaging in when she obsessively talked about “leaks” in response to Jonah’s original point was nothing short of bizarre.

    That’s what I don’t get. We can all agree that the Trump Administration has been subject of an enormous number of leaks. We do not no the providence of those leaks, but to assume its some sort of nefarious deep state intelligence operation is conspiratorial thinking of the highest order.

    Not at all.  The top people in all the agencies were put there by Obama, the next level were picked by Obama’s picks and so on down.  The leadership  were and are driven by fervent ideological true belief.  And it’s a modern true belief that there is no truth just perspective and the will for power. The agencies (which, being old post war creations were already slowly rotting)  have become even more corrupted by a leftist bias because that is the way the left thinks.  All for the state all for growing budgets.  That’s a mind set and a bias that doesn’t require coordinated conspiracy.  And yet of course it is a conspiracy.  The left conspires all the time everywhere.  Have you been around long enough to have actually interacted with Soviet or Cuban operatives and the people who quickly repeat what ever they  put out?  Did all those useful idiots or even paid spies simply vanish along with the Soviet Union?

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  16. NYLibertarianGuy Thatcher
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    When the Trump supporters wake up from their current state of intoxication, they are going to have one hell of a hangover.

    Mollie makes a valiant effort to save face but her reliance on unsupported assertions of fact (i.e., her suggestions that Comey’s story “changed” as a result of Trump’s brilliant 18-dimensional chess) completely guts her credibility.

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  17. Jamie Lockett Member
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    I Walton (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Karl Nittinger (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Completely agree. The mind-boggling logical fallacy that Mollie Hemingway was engaging in when she obsessively talked about “leaks” in response to Jonah’s original point was nothing short of bizarre.

    That’s what I don’t get. We can all agree that the Trump Administration has been subject of an enormous number of leaks. We do not no the providence of those leaks, but to assume its some sort of nefarious deep state intelligence operation is conspiratorial thinking of the highest order.

    Not at all. The top people in all the agencies were put there by Obama, the next level were picked by Obama’s picks and so on down. The leadership were and are driven by fervent ideological true belief. And it’s a modern true belief that there is no truth just perspective and the will for power. The agencies (which, being old post war creations were already slowly rotting) have become even more corrupted by a leftist bias because that is the way the left thinks. All for the state all for growing budgets. That’s a mind set and a bias that doesn’t require coordinated conspiracy. And yet of course it is a conspiracy. The left conspires all the time everywhere. Have you been around long enough to have actually interacted with Soviet or Cuban operatives and the people who quickly repeat what ever they put out? Did all those useful idiots or even paid spies simply vanish along with the Soviet Union?

    Do you believe that United States Intelligence Agencies have recording devices in the Oval Office?

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  18. NYLibertarianGuy Thatcher
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Do you think there are no miscreants in the intelligence services or the DoJ contributing to efforts to undermine the Trump administration?

    I think the President is doing a solid job of undermining his own “administration.”

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  19. Trinity Waters Member
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    Thanks for the post, Max.

    Trump is so far ahead of all who agree with Jonah.  Of course Jonah is one of the more famous Nevers, and that poor decision is now bolted on to his ego.

    Trump baited Comey and essentially bamboozled him into telling the truth.  A common tactic in confrontational situations and perfectly legal.  Despite all the blather, the only pertinent facts to emerge from the Comey hearing was that he’s a leaker, and confirmed that Trump is clean.  Do you think he would have admitted that if he thought he could keep it secret?

    The appointment of a prosecutor was inevitable: NYT and WaPo’s ministations always ensured that.  And, my only surprise in this scenario is that I agree so often these days with Dershowitz.

    So, hopefully, Jonah still has to look forward to having crow feathers hang out of his mouth, has again missed the point about how Trump is trumping the establishment cronies, and I still can’t read or listen to a complete article of his.  Too bad.

    Happy Days Are Here Again!

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  20. Pugshot Member
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    You’re having two different discussions here – as were Mollie and Jonah. Trump clearly lied when he “suggested” that he might have tapes of his meetings with Comey. On the other hand, it is clear that there are lots of leaks coming from within the Trump administration (some from Trump and his supporters, and some from the “deep state”).  The fact that some people within the government – who are evidently opposed to Trump – have leaked damaging information is a real concern, but it does not excuse or justify Trump’s own leaking or lying. There is a growing tendency among Trump supporters in particular, and conservatives in general, to use the “but look at the bad thing they (the “deep state”; Obama; Democrats, the MSM) did – therefore it’s okay that we did ___” excuse. I’m firmly convinced that in the long run this will do our side much more harm than good. There are legal ways that the administration may use its power to ferret out leakers, if it feels that is worth the effort, and anyone found to have been doing that can be publicly exposed and fired. But, FWIW, in my view there is a big difference between, “Comey better hope there are no tapes of our conversations” and “On three separate occasions – on __, __, and __, James Comey specifically told me that I was not the subject of any FBI investigation, and I know that, as James Comey is an honest man, he will be willing to confirm the accuracy of that statement. If he does not feel comfortable making that disclosure to the general public, then I would ask that he either voluntarily appear before the appropriate Congressional committee – or the appropriate committee subpoena him to testify about this – and make his confirming statement under oath so that we can put this behind us and move forward with the important business of government.” The first statement, which Trump chose to use, not only demeans him and his office, but it ultimately resulted (as Jonah noted) in the appointment of a special counsel – from which much potential harm may come. The second statement is respectful and reflective of Trump’s position as president, while still forcing Comey’s hand – without resulting in the appointment of a special counsel to investigate possible obstruction of justice (and who knows what else!). There is a third alternative, of course: that Trump simply refrains from making provocative comments about private conversations and instead saves his verbal salvos for the press and the Democrats, but that apparently just isn’t in the cards.

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  21. cdor Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    I’m shocked! Now I’ll shock you. I agree with Mollie. Does anyone remember Trumps phone conversations with the President of Mexico and the PM of Australia? These were private phone conversations whose content was leaked to the public within hours of their completion. How did that happen? If it happened to me, I would believe I was being surveilled and bugged. But I’m just weird.

    Sorry, just saw Max’s comment #2. I agree with Mollie And Max.

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  22. Karl Nittinger Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Do you believe that United States Intelligence Agencies have recording devices in the Oval Office?

    …and that the 1969 moon landing was staged on a Hollywood set, water vapor contrails produced by airliners are actually chemicals being intentionally dispersed in the atmosphere, and Ted Cruz’s father was in on the Kennedy assassination (oh, wait…).

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  23. Valiuth Inactive
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Just out of curiosity, how do you think Trump’s private conversations with foreign leaders have been leaked, such as his telephone call with the Australian prime minister?

    My understanding is that leak came from the Australian side of that conversation. Are you accusing the Australian Government of wiretapping the White House?

    I’m saying, as Mollie said, that Trump’s private conversations are routinely leaked to the media. I think that we can all agree that’s a fact.

    Leaked I am not sure is the proper word here, tough maybe we just don’t have a better one. To me a leak is the release of some official document. Many of the leaks that surround trump are really people telling reporters what they have heard or seen. Which I would more classify as a kind of gossip. So with Trumps conversations what you have is people recounting what they have heard about rather than a transcript of a conversation. Which is probably why so many of the leaks turn out to be unreliable.

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  24. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Why is everyone dancing around the question. Just answer it:

    Do you believe that United States Intelligence Agencies have recording devices in the Oval Office that could have recorded James Comey’s meeting with President Trump?

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  25. Jamie Lockett Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    I’m shocked! Now I’ll shock you. I agree with Mollie. Does anyone remember Trumps phone conversations with the President of Mexico and the PM of Australia? These were private phone conversations whose content was leaked to the public within hours of their completion. How did that happen? If it happened to me, I would believe I was being surveilled and bugged. But I’m just weird.

    Sorry, just saw Max’s comment #2. I agree with Mollie And Max.

    Were transcripts leaks of those two conversations or just hearsay and gossip about the content? Those are two very different things.

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  26. Percival Thatcher
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    Max Ledoux: “I think it’s naive to think that that would not have happened otherwise. James Comey was clearly laying the groundwork on a campaign through his leaking and it’s kind of re-writing history to say it’s otherwise.”

    Drop mic.

    How did the tweet about tape make the special prosecutor any more likely? Maybe Jonah can connect those dots. I’ve tried and I can’t.

    I don’t like Trump very much. But I do think that the “recordings” tweet bluffed Comey into testifying to the truth, mostly, and the truth is that the New York Times story about repeated contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian intelligence agents was “almost completely wrong.”

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  27. Hypatia Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I agree with Jonah.

    Do you think there are no miscreants in the intelligence services or the DoJ contributing to efforts to undermine the Trump administration?

    How can anyone not fear the deep state at this point?  Have. We forgotten Clapper testified under oath that there had been no spying on Congress– and had to admit later that there had been?  Comey had the power of life and death over Clinton and Lynch before the election.

    These people are playing their own “long game”–in whose service but their own, I’m not sure. Is anyone?

    Maybe Omega: we do now know, don’t we, that he used the intelligence community to surveillance political opponents.

    The OP,is confusing to me, though. If you “agree with Jonah” what does that mean?  This was about Trumps tweet saying Comey better hope there are no tapes, wasnt it?  That was a brilliant move; kept Comey honest!  How can anyone disagree with that?

    Oh and Trump isn’t responsible for the appointment of Special counsel: Comey is.  There’s no dispute on that point, I mean, he said so.

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  28. Ed G. Member
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    I think Jonah made a statement which is foolish on it’s face and then retreated to some weird hairsplitting. Trump never said there were tapes neither in the original tweet nor in the followup tweet. He never said that someone definitely has tapes. He said that he himself made no tapes but that he himself has no information on whether any tapes exist at all.

    Jonah finds the second part of this offensive, which I would find bizarre if it were coming from someone who isn’t harboring a major grudge against president Trump. Others here seem to think it’s crazy that our intelligence community might be surveilling the president even in the oval office. I think that after months of phony Russia narrative and golden showers smears, for which our intelligence community has been the instigator and propagator, of course it’s in the realm of possibility that the same intelligence community is/was surveilling the president.

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  29. Ed G. Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Why is everyone dancing around the question. Just answer it:

    Do you believe that United States Intelligence Agencies have recording devices in the Oval Office that could have recorded James Comey’s meeting with President Trump?

    I don’t know, but it’s not “offensive” to think it’s plausible or possible.

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  30. DocJay Member
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    I recognized this as a power play when it happened.  Comey is a self-serving sissy boy and responded the way Trump expected.

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