Promoted from the Ricochet Member Feed by Editors Created with Sketch. Tillerson: Palestinians Ending Payments to Terrorists and Their Families

 
President Trump and PA President Mahmoud Abbas meeting at the White House, May 3, 2017.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson informed senators that the Palestinian Authority will no longer pay terrorists and their families for attacking Israelis. He made the comments Tuesday at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing.

“They have changed that policy and their intent is to cease the payments to the families of those who have committed murder or violence against others,” Tillerson said. He said that the Trump administration made it clear that the PA’s policy “is simply not acceptable to us.”

Tillerson and Trump discussed the issue with PA President Mahmoud Abbas during meetings in Washington and Bethlehem. “The President raised it, and I had a bilateral meeting with [Abbas] later and I told him — you absolutely have to stop this,” Tillerson said.

The PA has paid $1.12 billion to terrorists and their families over the past four years.

Promises made by Abbas are difficult to trust, but apparently terrorists are already feeling the pinch.

Scores of former Palestinian prisoners freed by Israel and living in the Gaza Strip said on Sunday their stipends from the Western-backed Palestinian Authority have been suspended in an apparent bid to appease Israel and the United States.

A spokesman for Palestinian prisoners said that 277 freed prisoners in the Gaza Strip, most of whom are aligned with the Islamist Hamas group that runs the coastal enclave, were surprised to find their May stipends had not been paid….

Zaid Al-Kilani, a former prisoner from Hamas who was serving a life sentence before he was freed in a prisoner swap for Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in 2011 said:

“Abu Mazen (Abbas) is punishing freed prisoners by suspending the salaries they and their families rely on…We believe the Palestinian Authority has succumbed to American and Israeli pressure,” he said.

The State Department will have to keep the pressure on the PA to continue honoring this commitment. But if this new policy remains in force, it is a big win for the Netanyahu and Trump administrations.

There are 33 comments.

  1. Hypatia Inactive

    A really big win!! Thank you for reporting on it!

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    • June 13, 2017, at 1:14 PM PDT
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  2. MarciN Member

    Wow. Finally!

    • #2
    • June 13, 2017, at 1:16 PM PDT
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  3. Jager Coolidge
    Jager Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    This is a much more significant step on the road to a “peace processes” than the anti-Israel UN Resolution that Obama allowed to pass or John Kerry’s speeches in the days before Trump was elected.

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    • June 13, 2017, at 1:24 PM PDT
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  4. Ron Selander Member

    I’ll believe it when the PA sends some money to the three Fogel children: Tamar, Roi and Yishai! (orphaned by the Itamar Massacre).

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    • June 13, 2017, at 1:26 PM PDT
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  5. Kevin Schulte Member

    Great win if true.

    Color me jaundice, I trust the Palestinians just a little more than Ryan and McConnell but I still don’t trust them.

    • #5
    • June 13, 2017, at 1:44 PM PDT
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  6. A-Squared Inactive

    Jager (View Comment):
    This is a much more significant step on the road to a “peace processes” than the anti-Israel UN Resolution that Obama allowed to pass or John Kerry’s speeches in the days before Trump was elected.

    Completely agree.

    This is a huge victory for Tillerson and Trump, and an absolutely necessary (but not sufficient) one on the road to peace in the Middle East.

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    • June 13, 2017, at 1:45 PM PDT
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  7. Hypatia Inactive

    A-Squared (View Comment):

    Jager (View Comment):
    This is a much more significant step on the road to a “peace processes” than the anti-Israel UN Resolution that Obama allowed to pass or John Kerry’s speeches in the days before Trump was elected.

    Completely agree.

    This is a huge victory for Tillerson and Trump, and an absolutely necessary (but not sufficient) one on the road to peace in the Middle East.

    Yes ! I mean, finally, a president doing something that seems to make sense! now, Pleeeese let’s move the embassy to Jerusalem!

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    • June 13, 2017, at 1:48 PM PDT
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  8. Ontheleftcoast Member

    Assuming for the the moment that the US can effectively audit its support for the PA to ensure that this agreement holds, we can probably expect the PA’s funders in Europe and Qatar to make the support payments themselves, instead of using the PA as a cutout.

    Still, it’s an important step.

    Tillerson’s statement on London is worth noting:

    I was actually encouraged when I heard on the news this morning that a number of imams in London have condemned these attackers and said they will not perform prayer services over their funerals, which means they’re condemning their souls. And that is what has to be done, and only the Muslim faith can handle this.

    This is yet another instance in which it depends on what the meaning of “is” is.

    On the one hand, it may be what it seems to be. On the other hand, I wonder how many of the imams were refusing the funeral services because of this:

    In one hadith — hadith are reports about Muhammad’s words and deeds that, when deemed authentic, are normative for Islamic law — the prophet of Islam ordered:

    [Two martyrs to] be buried with their blood (on their bodies). Neither was the funeral prayer offered for them, nor were they washed.

    One of the martyrs’ sons recalled:

    When my father was martyred, I started weeping and uncovering his face. The companions of the Prophet stopped me from doing so but the Prophet did not stop me. Then the Prophet said, “(O Jabir), don’t weep over him, for the angels kept on covering him with their wings till his body was carried away (for burial)” (Bukhari 5.59.406).

    Muhammad told Jabir not to weep because his father was not dead, but alive:

    But do not think of those that have been slain in Allah’s cause are dead. Nay, they are alive! With their Sustainer have they their sustenance (Qur’an 3:169).

    Based on the hadith in which Muhammad orders the bodies of the martyrs not to be washed and funeral prayers not to be said over them, as well as others like it, Islamic law states:

    [It is] unlawful to wash the body of a martyr … or perform the funeral prayer over him.

    [A] martyr (shahid) means someone who died in battle with non-Muslims” (Reliance of the Traveller, g4.20).

    Were all the MCB imams who refused funeral services condemning murderers as the statement was intended to convey? Were some or all acting in accordance with a ruling that the attackers were shahids (hence actually honoring them under the pretext of condemning them, gleefully cocking a snook at the stupid kuffar?)

    A contact person for the statement is Yunus Dudhwala, who recently denied the existence of recent evidence of extremist influence in Britain’s mosques to Piers Morgan, and who has been described as “part of the problem” by the relatively moderate Quilliam Foundation.

    Good citizens? “War is deceit?”

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    • June 13, 2017, at 1:54 PM PDT
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  9. Sash Member

    Wow, that seems like progress.

    I visited Israel last year, I left thinking that there is no chance of any solution ever, because everyone, hates everyone else, it’s not just two groups, it’s groups within groups… and there is no way to satisfy so many factions.

    However, there has never been this kind of state department, and I was there for two weeks, and give it little thought.

    I was very glad to see the places that Jesus saw, and feel privileged to have gone.

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    • June 13, 2017, at 2:09 PM PDT
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  10. cdor Member
    cdor Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    It is for these type of events/changes in attitudes, just common sense little things that has for years made me go “whaaat???” why are we not doing anything to stop this. We pay the Palestinians and they take our money and give it to murderers and conveyors of mayhem as a payoff. Now will the Palestinians really stop doing this outrageous crap? Not likely. As has been stated above, odds favor this disgusting and immoral behavior will continue under a guise of some sort. But at least we aren’t just going about accepting this as normative behavior. It takes the Presidency of a man many call the worst of names, thought of as having the lowest of character, to act with a conscience such that we can be proud once again of our heritage and our values.

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    • June 13, 2017, at 2:23 PM PDT
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  11. Terry Mott Member

    Can anyone explain why this wasn’t done under the Bush administration? Other than incompetence, I mean.

    It seems such an obvious thing to do.

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    • June 13, 2017, at 2:45 PM PDT
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  12. ctlaw Coolidge

    If we were dealing with even semi-productive human beings instead of savages, that $1.12 billion would have represented $1 million in seed funding to each of 1120 startup companies.

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    • June 13, 2017, at 2:56 PM PDT
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  13. Susan Quinn Contributor

    cdor (View Comment):
    Now will the Palestinians really stop doing this outrageous crap? Not likely. As has been stated above, odds favor this disgusting and immoral behavior will continue under a guise of some sort. But at least we aren’t just going about accepting this as normative behavior. It takes the Presidency of a man many call the worst of names, thought of as having the lowest of character, to act with a conscience such that we can be proud once again of our heritage and our values.

    This.

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    • June 13, 2017, at 4:24 PM PDT
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  14. Mare Pete Coolidge
    Mare Pete Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    If this turns out to be true, it’s huge.

    Also, if true, Abbas better have good bodyguards.

    But I don’t trust Abbas any farther than I can throw Andre the Giant.

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    • June 13, 2017, at 5:29 PM PDT
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  15. Roosevelt Guck Member

    And some people say the PA never makes any concessions. I wonder if they could see their way to letting the Protocols go out of print and stop teaching it to kids? If they only gave up all that racism for 10 minutes we might actually get somewhere.

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    • June 13, 2017, at 6:32 PM PDT
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  16. Israel P. Inactive

    They will start by giving them fake jobs and figuring we will tire of the fight. They might be right.
    But I’d like to get to the point where a future candidate will have to say flat out “I favor paying salaries to people who kill Jews.” (Jeremy Corbyn doesn’t count.)

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    • June 13, 2017, at 10:13 PM PDT
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  17. J. D. Fitzpatrick Member
    J. D. Fitzpatrick Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    If this turns out to be true, it’s huge.

    Also, if true, Abbas better have good bodyguards.

    But I don’t trust Abbas any farther than I can throw Andre the Giant.

    Yeah, this. There are consequences for pissing off murderers who haven’t been locked up.

    I’m waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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    • June 13, 2017, at 10:13 PM PDT
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  18. John Morgan Member

    I’ll believe it when we hear that it is still in place in a year and there is a sympathetic article in the Post or NY Times about the hardships of terrorist families.

    Abbas should have done this long ago, if nothing else for his own benefit. Most of the Hamas terrorists would kill him if they could. It is shear madness for him to subsidize their violence and hate.

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    • June 14, 2017, at 4:52 AM PDT
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  19. Podkayne of Israel Member

    http://m.jpost.com/app/article/496823

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    • June 14, 2017, at 6:46 AM PDT
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  20. ctlaw Coolidge

    Podkayne of Israel (View Comment):
    http://m.jpost.com/app/article/496823

    Non-mobile link:

    http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/PLO-official-to-JPost-We-will-continue-to-pay-terrorists-Tillerson-is-wrong-496823

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    • June 14, 2017, at 6:50 AM PDT
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  21. Zafar Member

    It did seem really unlikely.

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    • June 14, 2017, at 7:06 AM PDT
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  22. Susan Quinn Contributor

    When it sounds too good to be true . . .

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    • June 14, 2017, at 7:10 AM PDT
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  23. A-Squared Inactive

    Zafar (View Comment):
    It did seem really unlikely.

    I’m curious to hear more about this. Why did Tillerson say this? he must have had a reason. If the PA lied to his face, that will have consequences for them.

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    • June 14, 2017, at 7:17 AM PDT
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  24. Zafar Member

    Is Tillerson truthful?

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    • June 14, 2017, at 7:53 AM PDT
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  25. A-Squared Inactive

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Is Tillerson truthful?

    Much more so than the PA. I don’t know him personally, but you don’t get to be the CEO of one of the largest companies in the world if you have a reputation for misrepresenting what people say to you.

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    • June 14, 2017, at 8:00 AM PDT
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  26. ctlaw Coolidge

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Is Tillerson truthful?

    Makes a good ultimatum to Trump: either kill Abbas for lying to Tillerson or Congress impeaches Tillerson for lying to them.

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    • June 14, 2017, at 8:04 AM PDT
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  27. Mare Pete Coolidge
    Mare Pete Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Is Tillerson truthful?

    Makes a good ultimatum to Trump: either kill Abbas for lying to Tillerson or Congress impeaches Tillerson for lying to them.

    Killing him might do more harm than good, but there darn well better be consequences.

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    • June 14, 2017, at 8:16 AM PDT
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  28. Ontheleftcoast Member

    A-Squared (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    Is Tillerson truthful?

    Much more so than the PA. I don’t know him personally, but you don’t get to be the CEO of one of the largest companies in the world if you have a reputation for misrepresenting what people say to you.

    Doesn’t keep you from getting taken, though. I wonder what Abbas said, and in what language, and if it wasn’t a language Tillerson speaks fluently, how it was translated. I still remember Arafat’s “c’est caduc” about the PLO charter and the “what did he mean by that” when what Arafat meant was “business as usual.”

    Abbas’ power is pretty shaky anyway.

    One wonders if there will be consequences for Abbas. One is too cynical to hope that the money for murderers will be cut off.

    I think that what’s more likely is: Whether the money comes from the EU or an array of NGOs, (after all, it’s for the children) or Qatar, or some branch of ISIS, or from Turkey, or from Hamas as part of its power struggle with the PA, or from the hat being passed in various circles around the world, the payments will go on. There may be competition for who gets “credit” for providing the funds.

    There may be a fig leaf for the PA if Abbas sees advantage in it: “see, we stopped making the payments.”

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    • June 14, 2017, at 8:17 AM PDT
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  29. Valiuth Member
    Valiuth Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Wait, so if the PLO is denying this then what did we accomplish?

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    • June 14, 2017, at 8:30 AM PDT
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  30. Mare Pete Coolidge
    Mare Pete Joined in the first year of Ricochet Ricochet Charter Member

    Valiuth (View Comment):
    Wait, so if the PLO is denying this then what did we accomplish?

    Catching them in a lie might produce fruit. I’m not getting my hopes up, but something could happen.

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    • June 14, 2017, at 8:33 AM PDT
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