Sympathizing: Must Loving Fishtown Equal Hating Belmont?

 

We have plenty of folks on Ricochet who inhabit Belmont, more or less, but identify with Fishtown. It seems the easiest way to signal this sympathy is to be a self-hating Belmontonian. But what if you don’t hate everything about Belmont? Is it possible to sympathize with Fishtown even then? I would say yes. Though I would not, at this point, expect to be believed.

I recently reviewed Dreamland, a reporter’s magnum opus on the opiate addiction epidemic. My interest in its devastation isn’t academic. After all, I, too, have known chronic pain, death-wish despair, and repeated exposure to opioids through injury and surgery. Nor am I the only one in my family to have had these problems. Yet we’ve been spared from narcotics addiction, and the buffer of Belmont customs is at least partly to thank for this. Growing up, I hadn’t thought of myself as “Belmont.” My parents’ one sacrifice to dwarf all others was buying us a precarious perch in a Belmont neighborhood so we could attend its famed Belmont schools. It meant money was always tight. We dressed in the kind of secondhand clothes that made other kids point and laugh. In Belmont, we were at the bottom of the food chain, and that, plus my family’s right-leaning distaste for Belmont smugness, left us thinking of ourselves as outsiders, crypto-Fishtowners. It took leaving Belmont to find out how Belmont we’d become.

Being Belmont isn’t such a bad thing. There’s much more to Belmont than smugly looking down on the rubes. We rely on Belmont to support much of the finest flower of Western civilization – the arts, the sciences. As Charles Murray noted, Belmont neglects to preach the morals it still practices, while Fishtown struggles to practice what it preaches. But practice is not nothing, especially for youngsters who get to grow up surrounded by the practice. In my teens, I began attending about the Belmontiest church you could imagine – folks way richer than us, socialites on the “in” when I was “out,” with everybody reluctant to preach what they practiced. But among the things they practiced was traditional worship music (it’s why I went) and, as Lutherans like to say, music is its own sermon. You can get a pretty good Christian formation in one of those churches by ignoring what’s spoken and taking to heart what’s sung. And oh, the music!

Whenever I’m around other classical-music lovers, I can pretty much guarantee that I’ll be in the political minority. Loving classical music seems very Belmont, and my family never did adopt Belmont’s progressive politics. It can grate to hear other musicians and music-lovers toss off progressive opinions like they’re sure everyone agrees. It can grate that the arts aren’t “owned” by the faction whose stated political project, after all, is preserving the best of Western tradition from whatever threatens it. It can grate, but what does not grate is listening to and making music – participating in the perpetuation of that tradition – with these progressives. We decry progressive attacks on aesthetics when Belmontonians support modern works that don’t deserve to be included among works of historic greatness – but that only happens because works of historic greatness are still being performed, largely thanks to Belmont’s support. Music, at least, is something traditional conservatives do with Belmont. Not without it.

From music, and the tacit-but-powerful pressure to stay on the straight and narrow, to all the other social resources and little customs which can fortify a family in the face of pain and despair, my family owes Belmont too much gratitude to really hate it. If proof of loving Fishtown is denouncing Belmont, I’m in trouble. Should it be?

According to some, perhaps:

If the poor have vicious habits, whose fault is it — theirs or the people who made fortunes encouraging and refining these habits with the help of international consulting firms?

Supposing the indictment against international consulting firms were true, not every Belmontonian makes money with the direct help of such a firm. But just being part of the Belmont class – or even getting along ok with the Belmont class – might seem like tacit approval of those who do. As @jon just observed,

Elitism is Belmont hating Fishtown. Populism is Fishtown hating Belmont. Either is just Americans wanting to hurt their fellow Americans, which is where our politics has been for at least a decade.

Is it still possible to be neither an elitist nor a populist? To have sympathy for those who are hurting without hating the better-off?

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  1. Lois Lane Coolidge
    Lois Lane
    @LoisLane

    Finally, if my tone sounds combative, I don’t mean it to be.  I’ve enjoyed the conversation.

    I think I dislike the welfare state we have about as much as @couldbeanyone, but I also get that we are a) never going to sever the social safety net completely and b) this is because people find the idea of people starving in the street or not getting their insulin or whatever as bad.

    I’ll readily concede they don’t always think through how good intentions can lead to perdition, but I don’t think their motivations are quite as downright wicked as you present.  (Here, I believe I’m more with @judithanncampbell.)

    I also think I should add that Social Security now looks quite a bit different from Social Security in 1935.  This may be a place where we are speaking past each other, though I want to go back now and look at the original bill.

    In the end, I think Charles Murray is right about the ripping apart of Fishtown and Belmont.  (I’ve now read the article.)

    I don’t know how to fix it.

    Do you have any ideas for how to fix it, @midge?

     

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  2. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
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    @Midge

    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I agree that Social Security is essentially a pyramid scheme, but it was set up with the idea that the Great Depression would not last forever, and you had to contribute to get benefits in the long run, even if a small number of people got a good “deal” by getting money back–based on money put in–per quick “retirement.”

    There were politicians who, at the time, were enthusiastic about Social Security being a pyramid scheme that would be politically impossible to undo. They did not, however, sell the scheme to the voters as such.

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  3. Lois Lane Coolidge
    Lois Lane
    @LoisLane

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    I agree that Social Security is essentially a pyramid scheme, but it was set up with the idea that the Great Depression would not last forever, and you had to contribute to get benefits in the long run, even if a small number of people got a good “deal” by getting money back–based on money put in–per quick “retirement.”

    There were politicians who, at the time, were enthusiastic about Social Security being a pyramid scheme that would be politically impossible to undo. They did not, however, sell the scheme to the voters as such.

    Exactly, @midge.  That’s exactly what I am saying.

    Since @couldbeanyone is arguing that Fishtown is doing every bad thing to themselves because of greed or other shortcomings, I think it’s worth noting that they thought they were signing up for something else.

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  4. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
    Midget Faded Rattlesnake
    @Midge

    Lois Lane (View Comment):
    In the end, I think Charles Murray is right about the ripping apart of Fishtown and Belmont. (I’ve now read the article.)

    I don’t know how to fix it.

    Do you have any ideas for how to fix it, @midge?

    I think sympathy is one place to start. Sympathy is not empathy – it’s not immersing yourself in another’s perspective: it’s feeling with, rather than feeling in. And sympathizing with others does not compel us to indulge them when they do wrong. Sympathy that refrains from indulgence is important.

    I think understanding what’s persuasive about SJW rhetoric is also a start. Not to cynically manipulate others the way SJWs manipulate our institutions, but because voting for less-lefty politicians clearly doesn’t confer immunity against feeling “othered”, or marginalized, or crushed by some “distributed conspiracy” (whether it’s the kyriarchy* or “the Cathedral”).

    Watering holes where people can talk to each other (not just at each other) across outgroups are part of creating sympathy. I mentioned SlateStarCodex.com as one of these. I hope Ricochet continues to be another. Each of these two watering-holes is ideologically selective up to a point, but still tribally broad enough that people with genuinely different backgrounds, perspectives, and clan** affiliations can mingle.

    I’m also hopeful that school reform and the work of institutions like IJ can undo some of the ghettoization of the underclass.

    The National Campaign tracks some interesting results about the effectiveness of abstinence-plus education and other cross-cultural (in the sense of combining both red and blue culture) strategies to reduce unwed pregnancy. Mark Regnerus also has put some interesting studies together there.

    I think inviting Fishtowners in to share what’s good about Belmont culture without shaming them for not entirely fitting in is important. As @judithanncampbell pointed out, not everything about Belmont culture is good. But what’s good about Belmont culture still overlaps a lot with what’s good about Western Civilization, so if we’re serious about defending the West, we shouldn’t be trying to talk Fishtown into thinking Belmont is The Enemy. Likewise, we should dissuade Belmont from thinking of Fishtown as The Enemy.

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    * kyriarchy is patriarchy 2.o
    ** clan in the sense of the different “sub-tribes” within a particular “tribe”

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  5. Judithann Campbell Member
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    Could Be Anyone (View Comment):
    Really?

    Yes, really. You have repeatedly misrepresented and twisted my words. Anyone who reads my comments and your comments can see this. I have better things to do with my time than constantly correct your misrepresentations; I forgave you the first time you did this, and gave you a second chance, but it just continues; from now on, I will avoid you. Good bye.

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