The Champs-Elysées Attack and the Election

 

I’m sure you’ve heard that last night, a terrorist opened fire on the police on the Champs-Elysées, killing a police officer and wounding three more. The security forces quickly shot him dead. The Champs-Elysées was evacuated, though it’s back to normal now. It seems there’s still a suspect at large, though news of this is only breaking now and sketchy. (Update: It’s being reported that police have detained three of the terrorist’s family members, but I haven’t seen confirmation of this.) The attacker was as usual known to police; he’d been arrested in February on suspicion of plotting to kill officers but released for of lack of evidence.

Although terrorism always takes you a bit by surprise, I’ve never been less surprised by a terrorist attack in any city I’ve ever lived in. We all knew full well this was highly likely to happen before the election on Sunday. It’s been the subject of much grim speculation here and black humor. An attack was just recently thwarted in Marseilles. I’d be equally unsurprised if there’s another one before Sunday.

ISIS claimed credit for it unusually quickly. As Rukmini Callimachi wrote on Twitter, “They claimed this attack in circa 2.5 hours. As far as attacks in West, this may be a record. Only 1 that comes close is Brussels airport. As far as attacks in West, this may be a record. Only 1 that comes close is Brussels airport. Despite popular perception, ISIS does *not* claim everything & they typically take up to 12 hrs.” I’d guess they claimed it quickly to be sure their name would be in the news for as many hours as possible before the election. 

ISIS, it’s fairly clear, wants Marine Le Pen to win; at least, this is what French intelligence officials believe, and it makes sense in the context of what ISIS says about its view of the world. The timing of the attack (obviously) wasn’t random. They’ve made their strategy very clear and they explain it patiently and repeatedly: They’re seeking to eliminate what they call the grey zone. They almost certainly believe Le Pen will make life miserable for ordinary Muslims and so prove to those Muslims who live in this grey zone that they have no future in France. This, ISIS hopes in turn, will inspire them to join the Caliphate’s (diminishing) ranks, sparking civil war on French soil, which they hope to broaden to Europe at large.

Their hope is misplaced. In the first place, the French know very well that this is their strategy — it’s the subject of endless discussion here — and know this is why they attacked when they did. So I expect that for every voter who decides to vote for Le Pen as a result, another who might have considered it, perhaps for unrelated reasons, will now refuse out of determination not to give ISIS the satisfaction or allow them to direct events.

Polling stops today, per electoral law, so we won’t have any clue from that how this is apt to affect the outcome. My instinct is that it won’t. No French voter could have been be surprised by this, nor could it have changed their minds about the gravity of the threat. No one is suddenly going to realize that terrorism is a problem for France; either they knew that already or nothing will persuade them. I don’t see why this attack should change the priority voters assign to the issue, or how it would change their appraisal of the candidates’ plans for addressing the problem, or how it would affect their view of the candidates’ respective abilities to do so. I assume it will reinforce people in what they believe already.

The main risk for the candidates, it seems to me, is that if they put their foot it in it today — if they say or do something stupid; if they appear unpresidential; if they strike the wrong note — they can’t recover, because after midnight tonight, campaigning is banned. Fillon already stupidly repeated a rumor that there had been other attacks in Paris, after which he cancelled campaigning “out of respect for the victims.” I presume he calculated he had more to lose by continuing to speak than by saying nothing. Interestingly, Le Pen likewise cancelled a campaign event. Perhaps she thinks her views on the matter are well known, and that she too has more to lose by aggressively restating them — aggravating those who see her as ISIS’s candidate — than by holding her tongue.

So I expect what we’ll hear today are expressions of sympathy for the victims, resolutions never to give in to terrorism, and — among those still campaigning — a rapid return to other key campaign points. The risk of saying the wrong thing exceeds any possible gain that could be accrued from deviating from the script. Besides, they only have the rest of today to make their case about any of the other issues that distinguish them. They haven’t time to waste.

Still, there’s another actor here to keep in mind. Three of the four candidates are pro-Putin. I’m sure the advance to the next round of any one of those three (and one certainly will advance) would be to Putin’s satisfaction. But best for him would be for two of his preferred candidates to advance. The only candidate whose success on Sunday would displease him is Macron. Putin and his troll farms don’t care about laws against campaigning after midnight tonight, and they certainly don’t care about laws against polling. So I would expect that whatever Macron says or does today, the trolls will be out in force from here on in to crush him, and they may even be working off polling data to which the rest of us aren’t party.

I’m trying to think as Putin would and wondering how the Kremlin is most apt to try to exploit this. The EUObserver has a brief guide to their efforts thus far. The themes that seem to work best for them are “in the French identity, anti-Islam, and anti-globalisation areas, as well as in the areas of ‘confusion’ and ‘conspiratorial/anti-system’ sources shared in the alternative segment.” (The usual, in other words.) 

So if I were Putin, what information would I release this weekend, what rumors could I start, that might so change the way Macron’s supporters think of him as to cause them to vote instead for Fillon, Le Pen, or Mélenchon? Which way would I try to push them — and how — and why?

Frankly, it’s going so well for the Kremlin as it is that perhaps they, too, will decide that they now have more to lose by saying anything then they might gain from just keeping it shut. I wonder if they might think that way. 

Or maybe not. How would you play this if you were a Chekist?

 

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  1. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    David Carroll (View Comment):
    I wonder what Paris is experiencing in the way of a tourism drop

    It’s recovered recently to the usual levels, and businesses are very happy about that.

    I understand that feelings about risk aren’t rational, but I promise your wife that it’s fine to visit Paris. The risk of dying in your bathtub really does remain greater than that of dying in a terrorist attack here. I feel no sense at all of ambivalence or uncertainty in saying, “Come to Paris, don’t deprive yourself of the pleasure, the risk is real, but it is tiny.” It really is. There’s no way to say, “The risk is zero,” but I’m sure you’d go to New York, or to the Pacific Northwest (Cascadia Subduction Zone — which is no joke), and you’d get into a car, and you’d go hiking … the risks are on that order. The media makes people lose their minds about these things.

    As the % of Muslims in France increases, the risk of dying from terrorism increases.  And the risk of being attacked for criticizing Islam increases.  Claire appears to be indifferent about these risks, but I can assure her that at a certain % of Muslims the bathtub will appear to be a good risk.  But we know that this discussion bores her.

     

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  2. Blondie Thatcher
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    As the % of Muslims in France increases, the risk of dying from terrorism increases. And the risk of being attacked for criticizing Islam increases. Claire appears to be indifferent about these risks, but I can assure her that at a certain % of Muslims the bathtub will appear to be a good risk. But we know that this discussion bores her.

    Critical mass.

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  3. James Gawron Inactive
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    Claire & all,

    Here is another angle that should be obvious but due to the constant pc hand wringing over Islamophobia, it is drowned out.

    French Elections: Marine Le Pen Backed By Quiet Army of Women

    “I’m worried about my nieces having to wear the veil,” said the soft-spoken 29-year-old.

    “She fights for women’s rights against Islam,” she said. “I vote because of Marine.”

    Troin is part of a quiet army of female National Front supporters, who could well tip the balance of the election and give the presidency to the hard-right.

    To call Islam misogynistic is to give misogynists a bad name. Maybe there are many quiet French women who have noticed this and grasp the danger from the never ending normalization of extreme behavior. This might be called the shy Frenchwoman vote.

    Hard to know. We will find out.

    Regards,

    Jim

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  4. Ford Penney Inactive
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    How a great society dies… ‘Peace in our time.’ never begat peace. The wolf was/is still at the door, whether you acknowledge it or not is irrelevant.

    When a people have lost the will the stand for ‘something’ then they give their lives over to groups like the EU or apathy ‘leaders’ like Macron (“please lead us”). As James Gawron posted, #24, Macron basically said- ‘Terrorism; expect more of the same… get used to it.’

    This is the sad state of how to destroy a people, just a little ‘norming’ at a time. Our past president put it in the same risk category as crime, ‘we just need to allocate the right resources.’… see, not more dangerous, just same kinda’ dangerous, kind of like the danger of an unarmed bath tub.

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  5. Damocles Inactive
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    Stina (View Comment):
    This dismisses that we have some control over mitigating the risk of dying in the bathtub.

    Simple, Don’t take baths!

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  6. Zafar Member
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    JcTPatriot (View Comment):
    What can I do to reduce my chances of being murdered by Islam?

    We can stop importing more of them into our country.

    Vote for the grown ups. Imho that will improve security in fact rather than in theory.

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  7. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    JcTPatriot (View Comment):
    What can I do to reduce my chances of being murdered by Islam?

    We can stop importing more of them into our country.

    Vote for the grown ups. Imho that will improve security in fact rather than in theory.

    The supposed grown ups have helped cause the problem.

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  8. Kozak Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Vote for the grown ups.

    I did.  The Democrats must be kept away from the controls.

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  9. Stina Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    JcTPatriot (View Comment):
    What can I do to reduce my chances of being murdered by Islam?

    We can stop importing more of them into our country.

    Vote for the grown ups. Imho that will improve security in fact rather than in theory.

    I don’t really know who YOU think the grown ups are, but Trump and Marine le Pen have (or had) far better ideas on how to curb some of this than some others out there… two I know you disagree with.

    Elimination of the Gray Zone will happen, no matter what we do. The only difference will be in how, how long, and how many deaths occur in the process.

    1. Far-Right politics acting through democracy – Properly voted in, acting within the structure of government and law to close borders, and heavy handed laws concerning those convicted of terrorism and their families. Certainly, proper Conservative ideologues will detest this, fight every step of the way, but much like dropping a nuke on Hiroshima, it will save the most lives up front. It will eliminate the Gray Zone much faster, but gives the government the bite to deal with the bad actors and allows the truly moderate Muslims the best chance at assimilation into western culture.
    2. Moderate politics acting through democracy – Properly voted in, acting within the structure of government and encouraging tolerance. Will continue current policies. Preferable for many of our ideologues, however it is the long game. Once a critical mass of Muslims enter the country, the Gray Zone will start a slow disappearance as the new critical minority gains political power. Don’t believe me? This is the long route and may be tied with the third on bloodiest way to go about it due to ongoing terrorism (Macon: Get used to it), but eventually the country becomes Turkey.
    3. Civil War – a population fed up with terrorism killing their family and friends, and leadership that demands they get used to it, rises up against muslims and starts fighting with little discrimination. Short lived, but very bloody. Unknown who wins.

    These are my scenarios. Either way, the Gray Zone disappears. Which scenario do you prefer?

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  10. Zafar Member
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    Stina (View Comment):
    Elimination of the Gray Zone will happen, no matter what we do.

    I don’t believe in this Gray Zone thing, or the horse it rode in on, and I intend to live and vote according to what I think is real, not what I think is imaginary rubbish.

    This is not to say I don’t believe ISIS is dangerous – they are.  It just means I do not accept their [ahistorical, or cherry-picking of human events at best] world view, and do not intend to de facto adopt it (this division of the world into Darul Harb/Islam/Gray Zones whatever name I call it by) as the basis of the response I support.

    I don’t see becoming them to beat them as a good option.

     

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  11. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    The grownups… the superbly educated geniuses who said “we don’t have enough workers and our citizens aren’t having babies. Let’s import a bunch of Moroccans and Turks and then not assimilate them.

    Here’s a grownup (she thinks without more immigration, Europe will “collapse.”:

    At the press conference following the Ministerial meeting of the Union for the Mediterranean in Barcelona in January 2017, [High Representative/Vice-President of the European Commission Federica] Mogherini stated that “having 43 countries, an overall population of 800 million people in our region, gives us a size, a magnitude, an impact that is quite unique.” According to her, more Euro-Mediterranean integration is urgently needed:

    “We know well, as the demographic trends of our region indicate that this is the smart thing to do for our present and not only for our future; but also tackling the issue of giving adequate space to our youth, both in Europe and in the rest of the Mediterranean region, is also key to a certain number of top priorities that we share: the economic development, guaranteeing that our societies are open societies with a space for each and every citizen, the management of migration flows but also the prevention of radicalisation and the management of our security concerns that we also share.

    As Fjordman put it,

    The EU elites are thus working tirelessly to promote a regional bloc consisting of European nations plus predominantly Muslim countries in North Africa and the Middle East. Millions of European citizens are unaware that this process, or the Union for the Mediterranean, even exists. Western mass media rarely report critically on this issue.

    Christopher Caldwell paraphrases Christophe Guilluy:

    For those cut off from France’s new-economy citadels, the misfortunes are serious. They’re stuck economically. Three years after finishing their studies, three-quarters of French university graduates are living on their own; by contrast, three-quarters of their contemporaries without university degrees still live with their parents. And they’re dying early. In January 2016, the national statistical institute Insée announced that life expectancy had fallen for both sexes in France for the first time since World War II, and it’s the native French working class that is likely driving the decline. In fact, the French outsiders are looking a lot like the poor Americans Charles Murray described in Coming Apart… Their political alienation is striking. Fewer than 2 percent of legislators in France’s National Assembly today come from the working class, as opposed to 20 percent just after World War II.

    France’s most dangerous political battles play out against this backdrop. The central fact is the 70 percent that we just spoke of: they oppose immigration and are worried, we can safely assume, about the prospects for a multiethnic society. Their wishes are consistent, their passions high; and a democracy is supposed to translate the wishes and passions of the people into government action. Yet that hasn’t happened in France.

    Thanks, grownups.

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  12. Matt Y. Inactive
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    How do  you beat ISIS? Not by radicalising people at home by validating ISIS’s message – Claire is exactly right. (And I find it amusing that some people think they know better than her what the French people want, when she’s the one living there, and people told her she didn’t understand what was happening in America because she hasn’t lived here in awhile). Nor by alienating moderate countries that you can work with to beat ISIS. Nor by propping up repressive dictators with wmd’s, contrary to your own values, which leaves his aggrieved citizens only one place to turn, the radicals – especially when that dictator has lost control of his country and the idea that the people will submit peacefully under him is a pipe dream. Here’s what you do: You defeat and destroy them and take their territory (invalidating their claim to be a caliphate) If you’re not willing to send the manpower to do so, you ally with the nearby countries who can do so in coalition.

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  13. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Matt Y. (View Comment):
    How do you beat ISIS? Not by radicalising people at home by validating ISIS’s message – Claire is exactly right. (And I find it amusing that some people think they know better than her what the French people want, when she’s the one living there, and people told her she didn’t understand what was happening in America because she hasn’t lived here in awhile). Nor by alienating moderate countries that you can work with to beat ISIS. Nor by propping up repressive dictators with wmd’s, contrary to your own values, which leaves his aggrieved citizens only one place to turn, the radicals – especially when that dictator has lost control of his country and the idea that the people will submit peacefully under him is a pipe dream. Here’s what you do: You defeat and destroy them and take their territory (invalidating their claim to be a caliphate) If you’re not willing to send the manpower to do so, you ally with the nearby countries who can do so in coalition.

    You defeat ISIS and another group will take its place.  The dirty little secret is that groups such as ISIS and the MB fall within the mainstream of Islamic practice.  They may not reflect all of Islam, but pretending that they are not Islamic is incorrect.

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  14. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Matt Y. (View Comment):
    How do you beat ISIS? Not by radicalising people at home by validating ISIS’s message – Claire is exactly right.

    No, you begin by not repeating the US mistake in Iraq and Afghanistan: al Qaeda is the enemy. Beat them, you’ve won. That worked so well.

    ISIS may be the jihadi organization currently killing more French citizens than the other jihadi organizations, but it’s not the enemy.

    In France, you’re fighting prison dawa that predates ISIS. You’re fighting 

    [the] 28 per cent of French Muslims [who] follow an “authoritarian” interpretation of texts that advocate a split from French society.

    [And the] more than 14 per cent of [“French”] 15 to 25-year-olds [who] believe Islamic Sharia law carries more weight than that of their place of residence.

    They are ISIS’ top audience: on board with the theology, but looking for the strong horse within Islam to follow. There are other contenders. Erdogan, for one. A Muslim Brotherhood front is the official organization of the French Muslim community. They’re another.

    On U.S. soil, we’re fighting the Muslim Brotherhood and its front organizations, and the jihadi indoctrination in Saudi funded mosques. The smart money would bet that our domestic enemies  also include Iranian front organizations (thanks, Barry) and the Gülenists. All have overseas connections, and there are others.

    We’ve let the Brotherhood and the Gülenists – and the Saudis – help us define who in Islam is and isn’t the enemy. The thing is, they are all America’s enemy but we’ve let some into our camp and are helping them eliminate the brands competing with theirs.

    ISIS is an enemy. The fact that ISIS has an electoral strategy in France doesn’t mean that their strategy is correct, though they are not stupid. But not doing what ISIS wants will be just fine for the brands competing with ISIS for market share. None of them are strategically non-violent, though some defer violent jihad for now… though they’re not averse to using it for political capital for their own strategies.

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  15. Zafar Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    The grownups… the superbly educated geniuses who said “we don’t have enough workers and our citizens aren’t having babies. Let’s import a bunch of Moroccans and Turks and then not assimilate them.

    But Western Europe did need labour after WWII, and it needed more labour than it had handy on the continent.

    France, in fact, has been importing people for some time.

    Re assimilation – it’s worth pointing out that when Algeria was part of France the French still didn’t assimilate most Algerians.

    Honestly – in some ways it seems to have a difficult time with this precisely because it’s cartesian by instinct, while Britain inconsistently muddles through to a better outcome. (Also perhaps why France had a revolution while the British, despite Madge’s best efforts, have Sir Mick.)

    Here’s a grownup (she thinks without more immigration, Europe will “collapse.”

    Is she wrong?

    To keep on functioning will the European economy need more people than Europe is currently producing in-house?

    If not, she’s wrong.

    If it will, she’s sort of right.

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  16. Zafar Member
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    You defeat ISIS and another group will take its place. The dirty little secret is that groups such as ISIS and the MB fall within the mainstream of Islamic practice. They may not reflect all of Islam, but pretending that they are not Islamic is incorrect.

    Are ISIS-like groups truly a universal constant in the Muslim world, or do they emerge in certain circumstances?

    Really looking it it historically: During the time of Harun al-Rashid? Under Timur? The Mughals? The Ottomans? The Safavids?  In Dutch Indonesia? In British India? In post-1947 South Asia? In Malaysia today? In Kazakhstan under the Soviets?  (My point is, this is an enormous canvas.)

    If certain circumstances, which ones?

    If not a constant, under which conditions do they not emerge?

    When do they have power and influence?  When do they not?

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  17. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Is she wrong?

    To keep on functioning will the European economy need more people than Europe is currently producing in-house?

    If not, she’s wrong.

    If it will, she’s sort of right.

    Frame it differently: She and her ilk are betting that the roof won’t fall in before she’s had a long, nice, comfortable life and that the few kids they have will go to Sciences Po, or Oxbridge, or Stanford, or wherever and if the roof falls in during their lifetime, they’re transnationals and the transnational economy will be good to them.

    She’s also lying about the educational adequacy of the masses she plans to admit, though as recent events in Detroit have shown, higher education isn’t the be all and the end all, when the educated ones obey what they consider to be an even higher authority than the laws of Michigan, or France.

    To the Mogherinis of the world, the important difference between the French proles and the brown masses is that right now, the brown masses are more likely to vote for the progressive party of the moment, and so are to be favored, especially since their birthrate is higher and they will provide more welfare client voters workers for the shrinking labor force. But for now, the elites in the big cities need domestic help, and as robots take over the menial jobs, live help will become a bigger status symbol.

    So it’s all good.

    Unless you’re a French prole of course.

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  18. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Are ISIS-like groups truly a universal constant in the Muslim world, or do they emerge in certain circumstances?

    Really looking it it historically: During the time of Harun al-Rashid? Under Timur? The Mughals? The Ottomans? The Safavids? In Dutch Indonesia? In British India? In post-1947 South Asia? In Malaysia today? In Kazakhstan under the Soviets? (My point is, this is an enormous canvas.)

    This needs untangling: for much of the history you mention, there was some sort of Caliphate. This is theologically significant for ISIS’ argument.

    But historically: whenever Islam bordered on an arguably militarily inferior polity and had the logistic capability, (and at times when one Muslim ruler bordered on a rival Muslim polity) the phrase “Islam’s bloody borders” comes immediately to mind.

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  19. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    iWe (View Comment):
    I go incognito (i.e. not visibly Jewish).

    I don’t think you should hide your Jewishness. (Unless Le Pen’s elected, in which case, — though I think she’d never get the legislative support for it — she plans to ban the wearing of the kippah and other displays of “visible Jewishness.” Were she to succeed, I would advise you and in fact every decent person to boycott France.) But I think otherwise you can dress and act exactly as you would in the US. I don’t think it will put you at any significant risk, especially not in the places you’ll be going. And hiding our Jewishness is a concession none of us should dream of making to these lunatics, even if it did put us at more risk.

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  20. Damocles Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Vote for the grown ups.

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  21. Zafar Member
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Frame it differently: She and her ilk are betting that the roof won’t fall in

    I guess it all depends on whether France i:

    A prosperous Western secular democracy which functions more or less well, though it could do better wrt the creation of jobs and opportunity and social inclusion.

    Or

    A violent, collapsing dystopia where people can’t feed themselves and Muslim gangs rule the streets and no go zones when they’re not too busy terrorising Cathedrals and Synagogues.

    If the former, then the roof will fall in if they don’t sort out their labour issues, not if they do.

    To the Mogherinis of the world, the important difference between the French proles and the brown masses is that right now, the brown masses…

    Some of the French proles are brown and some are black.

    Hopefully the Mogherinis of the world see that, even if all of us don’t.

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  22. outlaws6688 Member
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    Moderator Note:

    Picking a fight.

    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):
    I go incognito (i.e. not visibly Jewish).

    I don’t think you should hide your Jewishness. (Unless Le Pen’s elected, in which case, — though I think she’d never get the legislative support for it — she plans to ban the wearing of the kippah and other displays of “visible Jewishness.” Were she to succeed, I would advise you and in fact every decent person to boycott France.) But I think otherwise you can dress and act exactly as you would in the US. I don’t think it will put you at any significant risk, especially not in the places you’ll be going. And hiding our Jewishness is a concession none of us should dream of making to these lunatics, even if it did put us at more risk.

    [Redacted]

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  23. Unsk Member
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    For all you Le Pen lovers out there, just remember she is Leftist on most issues; wants even more regulations, is against free trade to the point of advocating for a protectionist economy and is also pro choice.  And apparently  she has borrowed millions from Russian Banks probably with the help of her hero Vladie.

    Fillon, despite his corruption,  would be my choice but his love affair with Putin is troubling.

    Macron would probably continue France’s present leftist policies and all that those policies entail; he is the status quo candidate.

    Melechon is a nut case. He wants to massive redistribute France’s wealth and close down France’s nuclear power plants. He even wants to implement a ‘Green Rule” that prohibits people from using more natural resources.  Melechon is the epitome of Leftist insanity.

    Some very bad choices indeed.

     

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    Unsk (View Comment):
    For all you Le Pen lovers out there, just remember she is Leftist on most issues; wants even more regulations, is against free trade to the point of advocating for a protectionist economy and is also pro choice. And apparently she has borrowed millions from Russian Banks probably with the help of her hero Vladie.

    Fillon, despite his corruption, would be my choice but his love affair with Putin is troubling.

    Macron would probably continue France’s present leftist policies and all that those policies entail; he is the status quo candidate.

    Melechon is a nut case. He wants to massive redistribute France’s wealth and close down France’s nuclear power plants. He even wants to implement a ‘Green Rule” that prohibits people from using more natural resources. Melechon is the epitome of Leftist insanity.

    Some very bad choices indeed.

    If Le Pen can show the world that it is possible to fight the European elites and their psychotic immigration policies by deporting refugees and cracking down on Islam, than all the rest of her policies will have been worth it. I don’t trust Fillon even though he is starting to talk a good game to do that.

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  25. BD1 Member
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    ISIS is rooting for European politicians who believe in immigration enforcement?  I don’t think so.

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  26. Matt White Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Are ISIS-like groups truly a universal constant in the Muslim world, or do they emerge in certain circumstances?

    Really looking it it historically: During the time of Harun al-Rashid? Under Timur? The Mughals? The Ottomans? The Safavids? In Dutch Indonesia? In British India? In post-1947 South Asia? In Malaysia today? In Kazakhstan under the Soviets? (My point is, this is an enormous canvas.)

    If certain circumstances, which ones?

    If not a constant, under which conditions do they not emerge?

    When do they have power and influence? When do they not?

    The “State” represented by the first “S” in ISIS is probably important. If there was a caliphate or Islamic empire controlling much of the Islamic world I doubt we would have ISIS. Maybe Erdogan will bring back the Ottoman Empire and we’ll find out.

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    Stina (View Comment):

    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):
    The risk of dying in your bathtub really does remain greater than that of dying in a terrorist attack here.

    This dismisses that we have some control over mitigating the risk of dying in the bathtub. We have absolutely no way to control the risks of a terrorist attack except to trust in elected politicians to deal with it…

    The Freebeacon.com made fun of this last year:

    http://freebeacon.com/national-security/new-york-times-bathtubs-more-dangerous-than-terrorism/

    “Americans who fear they might die while taking a bath are more rational than Americans who fear a terrorist attack, according to the New York Times.

    … Obama admitted in a recent off-the-record meeting with columnists that he does not see ISIS as a threat to the United States.

    Although (New York Times’ Peter) Baker thinks that the 51% of Americans worried about terrorism should be more afraid of a bath, he also posits that ‘a certain number of relatively low-level terrorist attacks may be inevitable.’  Juliette Kayyem, a former counter terrorism official in the Obama administration, told Baker that treating terrorism like an irrational fear is the wrong approach for government to take.  ‘As a society we’re irrational about it, but government has to accept that irrationality rather than fight it,’ said Kayyem. ‘When you’re talking about my three children, there’s no acceptable losses. We don’t want to hear that you view it that way.'”

    “…bathtub manufacturers aren’t trying to kill us, and they’re not trying to up the body count.” — Chris Wallace, Fox News Sunday host

    “…unlike a death caused by terrorism, a bathtub death has few, if any, political, economic, foreign policy, societal and constitutional ramifications. In other words, a spate of bathtub deaths might cause state and federal governments to seek stronger regulation of bathtub manufacturers, and the bathtub industry might be forced to design safety features whose cost might be passed on to the consumer. But that’s about it.  Deaths caused by terrorism, on the other hand, can have a profound effect on society and the economy. The deaths of ten people in bathtub accidents won’t cause people to fear leaving their homes; but imagine the impact of 10 deaths in a terrorist bombing of a shopping mall, or a movie theater. And imagine if it happens more than once. The economic impact could be devastating; the impact on the emotional health of parents and children would be profound. Bathtub deaths are preventable through individual action and self-awareness. The average citizen, on the other hand, is relatively helpless in the face of a car-bombing, mass shooting, or hijacking…” — Jeffrey Goldberg, theatlantic.com,  September 2, 2011

    “…bathtub manufacturers aren’t trying to kill us.”

    “I pictured Stephen King watching and getting an idea for a new horror story.” — Ann Althouse

    American men take baths instead of showers?  This statistic seems faulty.

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  28. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    As the % of Muslims in France increases, the risk of dying from terrorism increases. And the risk of being attacked for criticizing Islam increases.

    Not everything travels in a straight line.

    If Muslims do not assimilate into society, the risks will probably increase, perhaps for a very long time.

    Nothing can go on forever.

    I don’t know that voting for Le Pen is the best idea.  She seems more socialist than the current socialist president in several ways including apparently welfare increases and increased ownership of businesses by the state.  Like Bernie Sanders but not like Trump, her popularity seems to be with the young instead of the old.

    However, I ask if voting for Le Pen is not the shock to the system to create change, then what would change things in France for the better?

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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Some of the French proles are brown and some are black.

    Hopefully the Mogherinis of the world see that, even if all of us don’t.

    I’ll rephrase that: the French political parties other than Le Pen’s have decided that the historically/ethnically French working class has failed them, and no longer are a useful part of the parties’ constituencies. They have chosen another people; that is the central constituency Le Pen seeks to represent.

    Again:

    François Hollande built his 2012 presidential victory on a strategy outlined in October 2011 by Bruno Jeanbart and the late Olivier Ferrand of the Socialist think tank Terra Nova. Largely because of cultural questions, the authors warned, the working class no longer voted for the Left. The consultants suggested a replacement coalition of ethnic minorities, people with advanced degrees (usually prospering in new-economy jobs), women, youths, and non-Catholics—a French version of the Obama bloc. It did not make up, in itself, an electoral majority, but it possessed sufficient cultural power to attract one.

    And:

    The real divide is no longer between the “Right” and the “Left” but between the metropoles and the peripheries. The traditional parties thrive in the former. The National Front (FN) is the party of the outside.

    The choice is stark. Is the French – and the EU’s – immigration and border strategy compatible with Western secular culture or not? If it is not, every day it continues is a step closer to the abyss.

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    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):
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    iWe (View Comment):
    I go incognito (i.e. not visibly Jewish).

    I don’t think you should hide your Jewishness. (Unless Le Pen’s elected, in which case, — though I think she’d never get the legislative support for it — she plans to ban the wearing of the kippah and other displays of “visible Jewishness.” Were she to succeed, I would advise you and in fact every decent person to boycott France.)

     

    She would also like to ban Sikh turbans. The thing is, there’s a real problem. No Jewish theology, even the most geographically maximalist concept of Zionism, lays claim to France. Nor does the most maximalist Khalistan nationalism. That is not true for Islam, which has a globally maximalist territorial claim for Islam, a valid theological argument for achieving that goal by force and subversion, and which has currently active military, paramilitary groups for which its places of worship all too often serve as indoctrination and recruiting stations.

    Is Le Pen’s aggressive laïcité the answer? I don’t know. Is the status quo viable? I don’t know that either.

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