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    Ryan, I like the sentiment below the line. The stuff above the line puzzles me. Was a thread deleted that I missed?

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    • April 20, 2017 at 12:39 pm
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Ryan, I like the sentiment below the line. The stuff above the line puzzles me. Was a thread deleted that I missed?

    Yes, I wasn’t getting too specific. I think it shouldn’t happen, but I’m not in charge. Incidentally, I don’t want to be in charge. I’m pretty happy with Ricochet, and I can’t even imagine how difficult it is to keep everything in line. In thinking about it, however, I was reminded of how much broader a phenomenon it is. People get upset, and instead of reasoning through things, they throw fits or run away.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 12:43 pm
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    Ryan M(cPherson) (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Ryan, I like the sentiment below the line. The stuff above the line puzzles me. Was a thread deleted that I missed?

    Yes, I wasn’t getting too specific. I think it shouldn’t happen, but I’m not in charge. Incidentally, I don’t want to be in charge. I’m pretty happy with Ricochet, and I can’t even imagine how difficult it is to keep everything in line. In thinking about it, however, I was reminded of how much broader a phenomenon it is. People get upset, and instead of reasoning through things, they throw fits or run away.

    I don’t think it should happen either. Then again, Ricochet appears to be moving in that direction. I have seen members do that in the past. I guess we decide if we still want to pay for the service here. Or anyplace else we go. I think it will depend on the members.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 1:03 pm
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    I wish I’d seen it, but I missed it. On the other hand, I deleted a post once. I’d written (members only) about being raped, and everyone was so kind and supportive. Then one member barged in and pretty much said I’d asked for it, pointing out all the smart things she would have done, saying it would never have happened to HER. I was so devastated and mortified that I deleted the whole thing. It would have killed me if I hadn’t had that option.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 1:16 pm
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Ryan M(cPherson) (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Ryan, I like the sentiment below the line. The stuff above the line puzzles me. Was a thread deleted that I missed?

    Yes, I wasn’t getting too specific. I think it shouldn’t happen, but I’m not in charge. Incidentally, I don’t want to be in charge. I’m pretty happy with Ricochet, and I can’t even imagine how difficult it is to keep everything in line. In thinking about it, however, I was reminded of how much broader a phenomenon it is. People get upset, and instead of reasoning through things, they throw fits or run away.

    I don’t think it should happen either. Then again, Ricochet appears to be moving in that direction. I have seen members do that in the past. I guess we decide if we still want to pay for the service here. Or anyplace else we go. I think it will depend on the members.

    oh, it is hands down the best place on the internet. But this “safe-space” mentality is seeping into even conservative areas. What we need to do is learn how to communicate. I’m a broken record saying this, and someone will surely come on and point out that it is a habit of mine, but I’d bet that if we could all get away from things like facebook, we might relearn how to be adults.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 1:17 pm
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    RightAngles (View Comment):
    I wish I’d seen it, but I missed it. On the other hand, I deleted a post once. I’d written (members only) about being raped, and everyone was so kind and supportive. Then one member barged in and pretty much said I’d asked for it, pointing out all the smart things she would have done, saying it would never have happened to HER. I was so devastated and mortified that I deleted the whole thing. It would have killed me if I hadn’t had that option.

    Yeah, but I’d take a different approach. I think that is what flagging is for. But also – maybe that turns into a decent conversation where both sides reach an agreement, and it’s helpful for everyone.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 1:21 pm
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    Ryan M(cPherson) (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):
    I wish I’d seen it, but I missed it. On the other hand, I deleted a post once. I’d written (members only) about being raped, and everyone was so kind and supportive. Then one member barged in and pretty much said I’d asked for it, pointing out all the smart things she would have done, saying it would never have happened to HER. I was so devastated and mortified that I deleted the whole thing. It would have killed me if I hadn’t had that option.

    Yeah, but I’d take a different approach. I think that is what flagging is for. But also – maybe that turns into a decent conversation where both sides reach an agreement, and it’s helpful for everyone.

    I have never flagged anyone, and it didn’t occur to me to do it then. Anyway it was just awful. What is wrong with people. I still say that we should be able to control our own writings, and to decide whether or not to delete them. If they ever take that option away, I hope there is a very conspicuous warning when you start a conversation.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 1:39 pm
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    Sometimes Ryan, I just get tired of the bickering, as people talk past each other so I leave the thread. Especially if I don’t think I can add anything to the discussion to change an opinion.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 1:44 pm
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    Ryan M(cPherson) Post author

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    I wish I’d seen it, but I missed it. On the other hand, I deleted a post once. I’d written (members only) about being raped, and everyone was so kind and supportive. Then one member barged in and pretty much said I’d asked for it, pointing out all the smart things she would have done, saying it would never have happened to HER. I was so devastated and mortified that I deleted the whole thing. It would have killed me if I hadn’t had that option.

    Yeah, but I’d take a different approach. I think that is what flagging is for. But also – maybe that turns into a decent conversation where both sides reach an agreement, and it’s helpful for everyone.

    I have never flagged anyone, and it didn’t occur to me to do it then. Anyway it was just awful. What is wrong with people. I still say that we should be able to control our own writings, and to decide whether or not to delete them. If they ever take that option away, I hope there is a very conspicuous warning when you start a conversation.

    If our words cannot be disappeared, we will choose our words more carefully. I’m all in favor. As for comments, why delete your own words because someone comes along and says something stupid about them? What would we expect if we published something on an open forum read by liberals?

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    • April 20, 2017 at 1:53 pm
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    Kay of MT (View Comment):
    Sometimes Ryan, I just get tired of the bickering, as people talk past each other so I leave the thread. Especially if I don’t think I can add anything to the discussion to change an opinion.

    Agreed! There are lots of threads worthy of skipping.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 1:53 pm
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    Sometimes the best discussions happen two to three days after a particular subject has been brought up. The comments get much better in terms of content. The best advice to writers is to sleep on it. I think that’s often what I see on Ricochet: people haven’t thought about something for a while, but a particular post stirs up their thoughts, and after that, it can take two more days to frame those thoughts cogently. The result is an extremely interesting conversation.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 1:59 pm
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    Ryan M(cPherson) (View Comment):

    If our words cannot be disappeared, we will choose our words more carefully. I’m all in favor. As for comments, why delete your own words because someone comes along and says something stupid about them? What would we expect if we published something on an open forum read by liberals?

    Well, there’s that. As to deleting comments, I did that a time or two when I first got here. I didn’t yet realize that posts on the member feed could wind up on the main feed. The first time it happened, I deleted a comment that I felt might have revealed my identity to people who know me. I’ve also deleted photos I’d posted in a member comment, if the post went to the main feed.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 2:02 pm
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Ryan M(cPherson) (View Comment):

    If our words cannot be disappeared, we will choose our words more carefully. I’m all in favor. As for comments, why delete your own words because someone comes along and says something stupid about them? What would we expect if we published something on an open forum read by liberals?

    Well, there’s that. As to deleting comments, I did that a time or two when I first got here. I didn’t yet realize that posts on the member feed could wind up on the main feed. The first time it happened, I deleted a comment that I felt might have revealed my identity to people who know me. I’ve also deleted photos I’d posted in a member comment, if the post went to the main feed.

    Yep, I’ve tried to be as privacy-conscious as possible myself. You never know who might be reading.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 2:06 pm
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    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Ryan M(cPherson) (View Comment):

    If our words cannot be disappeared, we will choose our words more carefully. I’m all in favor. As for comments, why delete your own words because someone comes along and says something stupid about them? What would we expect if we published something on an open forum read by liberals?

    Well, there’s that. As to deleting comments, I did that a time or two when I first got here. I didn’t yet realize that posts on the member feed could wind up on the main feed. The first time it happened, I deleted a comment that I felt might have revealed my identity to people who know me. I’ve also deleted photos I’d posted in a member comment, if the post went to the main feed.

    Yep, I’ve tried to be as privacy-conscious as possible myself. You never know who might be reading.

    Yes, and the most intimidating part is that it shows up in Google searches, so you really never know who will find it.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 2:10 pm
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Yep, I’ve tried to be as privacy-conscious as possible myself. You never know who might be reading.

    Yes, and the most intimidating part is that it shows up in Google searches, so you really never know who will find it.

    See? There is an advantage to being an old reprobate. You don’t give a damn. Of course, my kids and grands, and now great grands might come upon my remarks, but it’s their own fault for not being around to amuse me. Have to depend on my own resources of which I have chosen Ricochet.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 2:50 pm
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    I think your stuff below the line is pretty spot on.

    In terms of not engaging people, or taking my ball and moving on, I just want to ask, who on the Left can I find common ground? Point that person out and I will gladly talk with them. I find it harder and harder as the years have passed.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 3:09 pm
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    Robert McReynolds (View Comment):
    I think your stuff below the line is pretty spot on.

    In terms of not engaging people, or taking my ball and moving on, I just want to ask, who on the Left can I find common ground? Point that person out and I will gladly talk with them. I find it harder and harder as the years have passed.

    You’ll find common ground, but you usually have to start by not talking politics…

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    • April 20, 2017 at 3:23 pm
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    Wait, did editors delete the thread, or did the poster? I didn’t read it, I just want to be clear on what happened.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 6:11 pm
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    Ryan M(cPherson): I wanted to make a comment about slavery on a thread that has disappeared

    Dang. Eight pages of conversation vanished into the Rico-ether. I have a notification about two hundred comments that goes nowhere.

    What a disappointment.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 6:15 pm
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    So I read a post and follow the thread. If I’m having some difficulty following the thread I come back to read it again during Happy Hour. If I still cannot make sense of it I move on. Although I’m tempted to recommend meds for those that are so angry that they’re riding the Redaction Train. Even if they have a prescription for meds I can recommend several street corners in Portland where you can supplement you prescription, and no one asks any questions.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 6:20 pm
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    I never really understood this phrase. If it is their ball, why is it a problem if decide to go home and take their property with them? Who are these people that feel they have a right to use other people’s property without their consent.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 6:22 pm
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    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    Yep, I’ve tried to be as privacy-conscious as possible myself. You never know who might be reading.

    Don’t worry. Those Foster Grants are keeping everyone from realizing that you’re actually Enrique Iglesias.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 6:29 pm
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    Yep, I’ve tried to be as privacy-conscious as possible myself. You never know who might be reading.

    Don’t worry. Those Foster Grants are keeping everyone from realizing that you’re actually Enrique Iglesias.

    I’ve done the same as you RA: when a post hits Main I’ve deleted comments, having regretted my openness. I also wish I’d gone to a little more trouble to hide my identity. AND chosen a better picture that wasn’t of me and A LOT hotter.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 6:46 pm
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    I never really understood this phrase. If it is their ball, why is it a problem if decide to go home and take their property with them? Who are these people that feel they have a right to use other people’s property without their consent.

    This wasn’t a call for prosecution, just reasonable behavior.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 7:40 pm
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    I never really understood this phrase. If it is their ball, why is it a problem if decide to go home and take their property with them? Who are these people that feel they have a right to use other people’s property without their consent.

    I think you’re being a bit literal, but I’ll play along. Are you serious that you do not understand the phrase? Let us say that a friend brings a board game over to your house. Mid-way through, he is losing and he flips the board and storms out of your house. It’s his property, no?

    But he invited you to play. That’s what is commonly known as poor sportsmanship, and there’s a reason why we teach it to children as a virtue that they should carry to adulthood. Or do you think that we should teach kids that any behavior is good if and because it is legal. Seems like that would lead to some pretty absurd conclusions, don’t you think?

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    • April 20, 2017 at 7:43 pm
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    Matt White (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):
    I never really understood this phrase. If it is their ball, why is it a problem if decide to go home and take their property with them? Who are these people that feel they have a right to use other people’s property without their consent.

    This wasn’t a call for prosecution, just reasonable behavior.

    Right. If you throw a party and invite a bunch of people over, you don’t kick everyone out halfway through because one person said something that offends you. Of course your guests don’t have a legal right to occupy your home indefinitely, they are there only as long as you wish. But you’re being a bad host by yelling at everyone to get the hell out because one guy defamed the quality of the roast beef.

    [Update] Man I must be a slow typist, because by the time I posted the above Ryan already made the same point. I will not however delete the comment, as redundant as it now is.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 8:02 pm
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    Yep, I’ve tried to be as privacy-conscious as possible myself. You never know who might be reading.

    Don’t worry. Those Foster Grants are keeping everyone from realizing that you’re actually Enrique Iglesias.

    I’ve done the same as you RA: when a post hits Main I’ve deleted comments, having regretted my openness. I also wish I’d gone to a little more trouble to hide my identity. AND chosen a better picture that wasn’t of me and A LOT hotter.

    Ha! You look cute. I had a photo of myself at first, but I changed it when I realized about the main feed.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 8:58 pm
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    Robert McReynolds (View Comment):
    I think your stuff below the line is pretty spot on.

    In terms of not engaging people, or taking my ball and moving on, I just want to ask, who on the Left can I find common ground? Point that person out and I will gladly talk with them. I find it harder and harder as the years have passed.

    Try the older liberals, not Marxists or Progressives, just liberals. I’m always able to have great conversations with them and they love keeping it civil.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 9:34 pm
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    Yep, I’ve tried to be as privacy-conscious as possible myself. You never know who might be reading.

    Don’t worry. Those Foster Grants are keeping everyone from realizing that you’re actually Enrique Iglesias.

    Haha! Uh oh, now the cat (or gato) is out of the bag! 😎

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    • April 20, 2017 at 9:55 pm
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    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Mike LaRoche (View Comment):

    Yep, I’ve tried to be as privacy-conscious as possible myself. You never know who might be reading.

    Don’t worry. Those Foster Grants are keeping everyone from realizing that you’re actually Enrique Iglesias.

    Haha! Uh oh, now the cat (or gato) is out of the bag! 😎

    Yeah, it also helps that you had that mole removed.

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    • April 20, 2017 at 10:04 pm
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