Abu Ivanka al-Amreeki and the Bureau des Étrangers

 

If you have a few minutes, read this essay by Peter Harling, The Syrian Trauma. He wrote it in September 2016, but I only discovered it about two weeks ago. I haven’t been able to stop thinking about it, though.

“Every now and then,” he wrote,

the conflict in Syria produces an iconic image of horror and suffering, which many brandish as an undisputable truth that will finally shake the world into “doing something.” Others break down at the sight of such images, or instinctively avert their senses. Mass killings and disappearances, industrial-scale torture and sexual abuse, gruesome staged executions, starvation tactics, the continued use of chemical weapons, napalm, cluster and barrel bombs, not to forget the torments of desperate emigration – all have spawned morbid emblems of their own.  

“Arguably, all conflicts are traumatic,” he continues,

… Syria seems nonetheless to bring in something different, hard to pin down — an elusive truth that is precisely what we should not fail to understand. Indeed there are many layers to the Syrian trauma. First, Syrian culture, in normal times, is remarkably civil. The Syrian dialect of Arabic is ravishingly polite. Education is a source of national pride. Unlike many other parts of the Arab world, urbane mores permeated the countryside more than a rural ethos reshaped the city. Communal coexistence, edgy on occasions, was nevertheless a profession of faith.” 

It occurred to me, as I kept reading, that the Syrian civil war is an event, like the Holocaust, that showed us something new about our innate capacity for depravity. If the Holocaust made clear that humans had the ability to unite the task of murder with the age of industrial efficiency, Syria showed us that we could unite murder on a mass scale with instant, global communication — and remain indifferent, bored, even angry with the victims of what has surely been the most widely-viewed crime of its sort in human history.

Atrocity after atrocity has been documented, filmed, frantically uploaded, broadcast, in real time, to an indifferent world. It is hardly the world’s first terrible war, of course. But it’s the first conflict of this magnitude to take place in the age of the Internet and the cell phone. It’s the first time the whole world has been able to see, in so much detail, the faces of the grieving and the dead, to hear the voices of victims begging for help. Anyone with a phone can even call Syrians themselves to speak to them directly — on Skype, no less, for free. And the world, having seen this, replied, “So what.” The world listened as half a million Kitty Genoveses screamed for help. It shrugged. 

Thus, wrote Harling,

… a fifth and related source of trauma for Syrians … the horrifying spectacle of an outside world watching on as their country is pointlessly and endlessly tortured. They have learned the hard way how shallow and callous our media and politics can be. People who remember every sorrow in every detail must contend at best with generalized amnesia, at worst with conventional wisdom dismissing their life experience. Their misery is met with fatigue; their flight to safety with hysteria.

On Tuesday, videos and photographs displaying the aftermath of a chemical weapons attack on Khan Sheikhoun, south of Idlib, emerged. Again, anyone with a cellphone could see what it’s like to experience this:

I expected the world to meet this with the same indifference as it had all the previous attacks. And for all the reasons that don’t bear repeating, I certainly didn’t expect President Trump to do anything about it. But yesterday the news broke in the middle of the night (in Paris, anyway) that the United States had launched 59 Tomahawk missiles at Shayrat Airfield, targeting “aircraft, hardened aircraft shelters, petroleum and logistical storage, ammunition supply bunkers, air defense systems, and radars.” That’s the airfield from which the planes that dropped chemical weapons on Syrian civilians — and then bombed the hospitals treating the victims — took off.

Usually, when news of this magnitude breaks I sit glued before my screen, trying to figure out what’s going on. But I couldn’t this time: I saw the headline, then had to rush out the door. I’d been awake for hours already, assembling my documents and preparing to spend a long and stressful day at 17-19 rue Truffaut. 

17-19 rue Truffaut

Like all foreigners who live in France, I need permission to be here. My case falls under an unusual bureaucratic category called “exceptional family circumstances.” But as you can imagine, the Bureau des Étrangers at 17-19 rue Truffaut is overwhelmed by petitions from desperate people with good reasons to want to be in France, ranging from “exceptional family circumstances” to “I will be killed immediately if I go back” to “That’s not a good enough reason, you have 48 hours to leave the country.”

Given the number of applicants at the Bureau des Étrangers on any given day, and given the general principles under which the French bureaucracy labors, these visits are stressful. 

I go with everything I can imagine a French bureaucrat wanting to see: my birth certificate, my grade school report cards, my college transcripts and diplomas, my medical records, my father’s medical records, my mother’s last will and testament, my certificate of health insurance, tax records, rental contract, phone bills, electricity bills, my grandfather’s service medals, every book and every article I’ve ever written, half a dozen passport-sized photographs, notarized translations, duplicate copies, triplicate copies — I go with so much bureaucracy-pleasing paperwork that I have to put it in a suitcase. I arrive at dawn, demurely dressed, and wait on line in the cold with all the other stressed, demurely-dressed people until they open (promptly at 9:00 a.m.) – and then we wait on line for hours more.

As we wait together, we naturally bond over our anxiety about what awaits us inside that forbidding building. We’re all desperately eager to appease and please the bureaucracy, but none of us really understand what it wants — no one actually knows, in fact, including the people who work there. We all fear angering it by accident. We’ve all heard stories about things that can happen — to a cousin, an uncle, to someone who worked as a dishwasher in a restaurant in the 9th — and none of us know what to make of these stories or whether it could happen to us. 

The first time I went there, it suddenly occurred to me to wonder if this could be the very place my grandparents stood on line, in 1941. I had heard the story of “standing in line” from them, but I don’t think they ever said where, exactly. My grandfather had been promised French citizenship for his service in the Foreign Legion. He’d fought in the Battle of France, on the Belgian border. He was one of only 250 survivors of his 1,250-man regiment. But then France fell, and the only thing they could hope for was an exit visa. I wondered if they’d stood on that line, just like me. But with one very big difference, of course. If the bureaucrats looked at my papers and said, “No,” I’d be deported. Had the bureaucrats inside looked at my grandparents papers and said “No,” they would have been sent to the death camps.

An official certificate of “Non-belonging to the Jewish race.”

I don’t know whether my grandparents fully understood, at that time, what would happen to them if they were sent to the camps. I asked my father whether they knew, but he doesn’t know, either. There were certainly many rumors about by 1941. But people refused to believe what they were hearing. Perhaps my grandparents didn’t allow themselves to think of that while they were waiting. You can’t think like that if you’re trying to persuade an overworked bureaucrat that all of your paperwork is in the right order and makes perfect sense. 

Yesterday morning, everyone’s eyes, like mine, were glued to their cellphones. We were all trying to figure out what had just happened in Syria and what it meant. We were all a bit scared to talk about it with each other. None of us knew for sure where the other people around us came from, after all. Obviously, I didn’t want to end up in a shoving match with a Russian — in front of the cops and multiple surveillance cameras — right before trying to make my case to the officials that I’m a harmless, law-abiding, middle-aged woman who wouldn’t even inconvenience the French state, no less get in a public brawl right in front of the Préfecture de Police. It was strange: everyone was reading the news on their screens, furtively glancing at each other, and then tentatively, whispering, Qu’en pensez-vous?”

What do you think?

It was definitely not the right time or place for me to say — as I usually would — “Hi! I’m an American journalist, and I’d like to know where you’re from and your reaction to President Trump’s decision to launch cruise missiles at a Syrian air base.” It wasn’t even the right time for me to guess where people were from. Wherever you’re from, when you’re on that line, you speak French and you act as assimilated as you know how to act. So I can only say what I saw and heard; I have to guess what it meant.

There was a Frenchman near the line, or at least his accent was Parisian. I think he worked inside and had come out to smoke. He was about forty. He glanced at the screen of my phone, which — like his, like everyone’s — showed the words, “Frappes en Syrie : la Russie dénonce « une agression », les alliés de Washington applaudissent.” We made a bit of small talk. Vous êtes américaine?” he said. (My accent gave it away.) I said yes. He’d been to New York once, he’d heard California was beautiful. Did I like France? We both looked at my phone. I said, Qu’en pensez-vous?”

He looked as if he wasn’t sure. Then he said, Avez-vous déjà été en Normandie?”

I said that I had.

C’est impressionnant, Je pense à ces gosses américains. Ils ont traversé un océan, sont venus dans un pays dont ils n’ont jamais entendu parler, pour faire cela pour nous … “

Believe me, this is not usually the first thing people here say when I say that I’m American. I can’t say for sure why he said it or what he was thinking. 

There were a handful of men next to us from Mali, I’d guess, or from somewhere in Francophone Africa. They were perhaps in their thirties. Qu’en pensez-vous? I said to them

One said, tentatively, “Je pense que … j’espère que cela peut être bon, si ça fait bouger des choses … Si cela peux changer quelque chose … “

Another interrupted, “Non! Je ne suis pas d’accord! Ils ne sont même pas allés à l’ONU. Chaque fois que l’Amérique s’implique, elle empire!” He realized he’d raised his voice more than he intended, and returned to a hushed tone. “Mais c’est trop tard, ils auraient dû le faire depuis longtemps, les Américains. Les Syriens, ils ont trop souffert.”

Assad, il est un fils meurtrier [redacted],” said the first. A statement, not an argument. Everyone near us nodded quietly. No exceptions on that.

A woman from, I’d guess, somewhere in north Africa, there with her two kids, both runny-nosed, asked me, “Pourquoi Donald Trump a-t-il changé son avis? Il n’y a que 48 heures, il était quelqu’un totalement différent.”

Usually, I can handle any and all questions about American politics and how America works. But I was as stumped as my interlocutor. I told her I honestly hadn’t the first clue. That I was completely surprised. That it was the last thing I thought he’d do. Mais je suis très heureuse que nous l’avons fait. Enfin.

Everyone fell quiet.

We were all still waiting on line when the jokes about Abu Ivanka al-Amreeki hit the Internet. They made the Malians laugh, although no one — literally no one but me — got the joke about Kushner of Arabia.

I hope everything went okay for everyone else on that line. I hope none of them were deported.

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  1. Carol Member
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    Sandy (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):

    From what I’ve read, a lot of Syrians are very happy about Trump’s action. It could be a matter of life and death to them.

    Yeah, did you hear that they were grateful that he’d banned refugees from Syria entering the US?

    I heard that too!

    The world has gotta recognise his genius now, it’s just gotta!!!

    Well, actually, yes, I did just hear that, courtesy of Powerline. Kassem Eid, right on CNN, insists that Syrians want to return to Syria and are praying for the safe zones that Trump also seems to want.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/04/blues-for-brooke-baldwin.php

    That is a must see for the expression on Brooke Baldwin’s face alone. She so wanted to cut the guy’s mike.

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  2. Sandy Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    I do hope that happens.

    But again: who achieves it (pays for it) and why?

    I’ve no idea how difficult it would be to establish safe zones, nor how expensive.  I assume it would be less expensive than war (in every possible way) and quite possibly less expensive than resettling refugees.  As for who might do the job, there are quite a few countries that have an interest in Syrians’ remaining in and returning to Syria, Germany for one, if it can get past its guilt. It does not surprise that few have cared much about the actual needs and desires of the Syrians. I hope Eid’s voice is heard, but I doubt CNN will give him a microphone again.

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  3. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Sandy (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    I do hope that happens.

    But again: who achieves it (pays for it) and why?

    I’ve no idea how difficult it would be to establish safe zones, nor how expensive. I assume it would be less expensive than war (in every possible way) and quite possibly less expensive than resettling refugees. As for who might do the job, there are quite a few countries that have an interest in Syrians’ remaining in and returning to Syria, Germany for one, if it can get past its guilt. It does not surprise that few have cared much about the actual needs and desires of the Syrians. I hope Eid’s voice is heard, but I doubt CNN will give him a microphone again.

    How the heck does one establish a “safe zone” in any way that is not regarded as “war”?

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  4. Zafar Member
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    A fine argument for politicians and journalists to not create grandiose expectations as to action.

    Of possible interest, from the Guardian:

    …from the point of view of moral psychology: politics at the national level is more like religion than it is like shopping. It’s more about a moral vision that unifies a nation and calls it to greatness than it is about self-interest or specific policies. In most countries, the right tends to see that more clearly than the left. In America the Republicans did the hard work of drafting their moral vision in the 1970s, and Ronald Reagan was their eloquent spokesman. Patriotism, social order, strong families, personal responsibility (not government safety nets) and free enterprise. Those are values, not government programmes.

    …When working-class people vote conservative, as most do in the US, they are not voting against their self-interest; they are voting for their moral interest. They are voting for the party that serves to them a more satisfying moral cuisine.

    That probably has something to do with how some Americans are responding to the possibility – just the bare possibility – that Trump will act effectively in Syria where Obama did not.

    (I think it’s unlikely to happen, but I understand how they feel.  I think.  Both the positive and the negative.)

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  5. Zafar Member
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Sandy (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    I do hope that happens.

    But again: who achieves it (pays for it) and why?

    I’ve no idea how difficult it would be to establish safe zones, nor how expensive. I assume it would be less expensive than war (in every possible way) and quite possibly less expensive than resettling refugees. As for who might do the job, there are quite a few countries that have an interest in Syrians’ remaining in and returning to Syria, Germany for one, if it can get past its guilt. It does not surprise that few have cared much about the actual needs and desires of the Syrians. I hope Eid’s voice is heard, but I doubt CNN will give him a microphone again.

    How the heck does one establish a “safe zone” in any way that is not regarded as “war”?

    Indeed!

    Turkey is pretty eager for a safe zone along its border with Syria.

    But then safe zone in Turkish is something along the lines of no Kurdish state here – which is problematic if the most effective on-ground force fighting ISIS is the Pesh Merga and their cousins.

    The safe zone in Northern Iraq grew out of the no fly zone – and then morphed into the KRG, so I can see Turkey being a bit conflicted about the whole thing in Syria.

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  6. Zafar Member
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    A fine argument for politicians and journalists to not create grandiose expectations as to action.

    The news here last night carried an interview with a young father from Khan Sheikhoun – distraught, because he’d lost 20 members of his extended family, and his wife, and his two eight month old babies to that gas attack.

    They asked him about Trump targeting an airbase in response, and he basically said: yes, that’s good, God bless  Trump, but it won’t make a difference because that’s one airbase and Assad has twenty, target all twenty.

    The guy was in extremis, but understand: the act itself has raised expectations of more from the people most effected.  And realistically, Nikki Haley’s measured words at the UN will not manage that hope.

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  7. Roberto Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Claire – in India I’m sure you met many fine, decent, empathetic people. But I will bet you folding money that all of them had the unquestioned ability to walk by obvious human tragedies unfolding less than two feet from them in real life, as opposed to uploaded and streamed onto their computer screens, on their way to lunch. Humans are deeply, deeply selfish. We become callous to other people’s suffering, especially when we are convinced that it can’t happen to us personally, very quickly.

    We had better be callous or else madness will overtake our senses and we join in. If I try to help, it will never be enough. If we try, it will never be enough. The question that haunts me is if I know what is happening and not try to help, can I live with myself? I suspect that if we try and fail to help, we can be untormented at least and not be guilty of indifference.

    Here’s a question: Can a person believe in American Exceptionalism and not want to help? And if the answer is “Yes,” here is another question: What’s the point?

    Exceptionalism does not mean being slaves to others’ will. Being ready to help others who need such help does mean we are God or are willing to play God. At times we should step in, at other times we must step back.

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  8. Roberto Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    The guy was in extremis, but understand: the act itself has raised expectations of more from the people most effected. And realistically, Nikki Haley’s measured words at the UN will not manage that hope.

    So even taking modest action is a mistake. Best to let all be slaughtered and not lift a hand rather than take modest action to ameliorate the horror, not words but action. Is this what you are saying?

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  9. Zafar Member
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    The guy was in extremis, but understand: the act itself has raised expectations of more from the people most effected. And realistically, Nikki Haley’s measured words at the UN will not manage that hope.

    So even taking modest action is a mistake. Best to let all be slaughtered and not lift a hand rather than take modest action to ameliorate the horror, not words but action. Is this what you are saying?

    Two things:

    1. Actions raise expectations; knowing this it is foolish to take action and then be surprised when people as a consequence have expectations.
    2. The guy was saying that this action was ineffective because it left a lot of airbases that would still be used to bomb the population.  That’s a hard point to argue.  If the objective wasn’t to stop Assad killing civilians what was it?
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  10. Sandy Member
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Sandy (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    I do hope that happens.

    But again: who achieves it (pays for it) and why?

    I’ve no idea how difficult it would be to establish safe zones, nor how expensive. I assume it would be less expensive than war (in every possible way) and quite possibly less expensive than resettling refugees. As for who might do the job, there are quite a few countries that have an interest in Syrians’ remaining in and returning to Syria, Germany for one, if it can get past its guilt. It does not surprise that few have cared much about the actual needs and desires of the Syrians. I hope Eid’s voice is heard, but I doubt CNN will give him a microphone again.

    How the heck does one establish a “safe zone” in any way that is not regarded as “war”?

    We are always engaged in war at some level with our enemies. Whether this sort of action could be done in a limited way, i.e., without provoking a “real” war, would depend upon many factors, including whether Putin could be kept at bay. There are many intelligent people who think with good reason that we should stay out entirely.

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  11. The Reticulator Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    The guy was saying that this action was ineffective because it left a lot of airbases that would still be used to bomb the population. That’s a hard point to argue. If the objective wasn’t to stop Assad killing civilians what was it?

    Good question. I’ve not followed the issue too closely, but I’ve been disappointed in some of the Obama-like rhetoric coming out of the Trump administration. Of course, I tend to give Trump more of a benefit of the doubt than Obama, who after a couple of years showed he deserved none at all.

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    Sandy (View Comment):

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    From what I’ve read, a lot of Syrians are very happy about Trump’s action. It could be a matter of life and death to them.

    Yeah, did you hear that they were grateful that he’d banned refugees from Syria entering the US?

    I heard that too!

    The world has gotta recognise his genius now, it’s just gotta!!!

    Well, actually, yes, I did just hear that, courtesy of Powerline. Kassem Eid, right on CNN, insists that Syrians want to return to Syria and are praying for the safe zones that Trump also seems to want.

    http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/04/blues-for-brooke-baldwin.php

    I don’t know why it took me so long to wonder this, but, to people who feel all the peaceful Syrians should become refugees in the West: who is then going to be populating Syria? I sure hope not all of the peaceful ones have given up on their country.  If they have, I guess in the future Syria will be populated only by warring factions.  It’ll be like the landscape of a video game.   No, we need to make it possible for normal life to resume there–with non-violent nationals going about their business.

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  13. Percival Thatcher
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Of possible interest, from the Guardian:

    …from the point of view of moral psychology: politics at the national level is more like religion than it is like shopping. It’s more about a moral vision that unifies a nation and calls it to greatness than it is about self-interest or specific policies. In most countries, the right tends to see that more clearly than the left. In America the Republicans did the hard work of drafting their moral vision in the 1970s, and Ronald Reagan was their eloquent spokesman. Patriotism, social order, strong families, personal responsibility (not government safety nets) and free enterprise. Those are values, not government programmes.

    The lefties of the Grauniad, on a quest for moral meaning.

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  14. Ekosj Member
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.: Like all foreigners who live in France, I need permission to be here.

    Wait a minute… What’s that?

                Claire Berlinski, Ed.: Like all foreigners who live in France, I need permission to   be here.

     

    What a novel idea.    Foreigners need permission to be here.   You think we could institute something like that here in America?

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  15. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.: … Syrian culture, in normal times, is remarkably civil. The Syrian dialect of Arabic is ravishingly polite. Education is a source of national pride. Unlike many other parts of the Arab world, urbane mores permeated the countryside more than a rural ethos reshaped the city. Communal coexistence, edgy on occasions, was nevertheless a profession of faith.” 

    Normal times. Edgy. Urbane. Like this?

    The 1800’s signaled a change for the Jews of Syria. In 1840 during the Damascus affair, Jews were accused of conducting ritual murder, and again in 1860 outlandish claims were made about Jews being criminals. As a result, beginning in 1850, Jews left Syria for Egypt and later for England. In 1908 a large community of Syrian Jews immigrated to New York…

    By 1943, 30,000 Jews resided in Syria, most of whom where located in Aleppo. In 1946, the French Colonial Mandate of Syria ended and a wave of Arab Nationalism spread throughout Syria. Following the 1947 U.N. partition of Palestine, mobs of rioters took to the streets burning and looting Jewish community sites, Jewish homes and businesses, and sacred artifacts and manuscripts including the Aleppo Codex. The political and economic situation became even more unmanageable when Jews were discharged from all government positions and Jewish bank accounts were frozen. Until 1992, when the Syrian Jewish community was finally granted exit visas, Jews suffered severe human rights abuses. Freedom of movement was severely restricted, forcing many to flee in-danger, undercover.

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  16. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    Roberto (View Comment):
    Remind me again, when was the last time India contributed substantial forces to a foreign military engagement purely for the purpose of saving others.

    There was this. And the pride Indians took in that suggested to me that we might see a lot more of that in the future.

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  17. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    Hypatia (View Comment):
    No, we need to make it possible for normal life to resume there–with non-violent nationals going about their business.

    I agree and have long agreed, but I don’t think there’s been enough support for the idea of the kind of intervention and long-term commitment that would be required to do that for it to be a realistic idea. To repeat what a friend of mine said yesterday in response to a similar comment, “No one ever wants to be a refugee. Every refugee I’ve ever met wants to return to their own country. This should not be such a revelation. It doesn’t remove their need for refuge and asylum.” Until normal life resumes there — and that may not be for decades — Syrians who have been forced into exile still need refuge. Especially the children, who desperately need to continue their education; they are at risk of being unable ever to contribute to rebuilding their country because they’ll be unable to function in a modern society — illiterate, innumerate, and so traumatized they’ll be easy pickings for radical recruiters.

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  18. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    Hypatia (View Comment):
    I don’t know why it took me so long to wonder this, but, to people who feel all the peaceful Syrians should become refugees in the West: who is then going to be populating Syria?

    This is an important question and a real problem: If ever it’s safe to return to Syria, it’s very important that skilled Syrians, in particular, return. The country will need trained engineers to rebuild it, doctors, farmers, bankers, people who can read and write — and of course skilled professionals were the first to flee, because they could afford to. This has also been a big problem in rebuilding Iraq. It’s a very well-known problem, and much discussed among Syrian refugees. Here are a few articles about this, with ideas for solutions — some better, some worse:

    Syria’s brain drain

    Syria’s brain drain (different article, same theme)

    Beyond The Boat People: Europe’s Moral Duties To Refugees

    Hope: The greatest weapon against the dogs of war in Syria

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  19. Claire Berlinski, Ed. Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    Claire – in India I’m sure you met many fine, decent, empathetic people. But I will bet you folding money that all of them had the unquestioned ability to walk by obvious human tragedies unfolding less than two feet from them in real life, as opposed to uploaded and streamed onto their computer screens, on their way to lunch. Humans are deeply, deeply selfish. We become callous to other people’s suffering, especially when we are convinced that it can’t happen to us personally, very quickly.

    Zafar, I would agree with you immediately about India being a place where fine, decent people (including me, or at least I’d like to think I’m a decent person) find in themselves an ability to walk right past tragedy without lifting a finger. But don’t forget that it’s also a country that has inspired heroic responses to those tragedies, too. And increasingly, it’s not a “country full of tragic people” but a country that provides significant assistance to countries that are in much worse shape:

    It is a well-known fact that India has been a long-standing recipient of aid from developed countries; but what is lesser known is its own role as a donor for development assistance to other countries. In the last decade, India has quietly become a significant donor of aid to other less developed countries.

    While India’s development assistance started in the 1940s, the dimensions of its foreign assistance have grown rapidly since the late 1990s, increasing seven-fold between 2000 and 2014. In 2014, Indian development assistance stands at about $1.4 billion.

    Humans can be deeply selfish — of course they can. But they can also be extraordinarily unselfish and heroic. We seem to have the freedom to choose. I agree that the belief that “it can’t happen to me” seems to be connected to our moral choices, but that’s just saying that empathy is often a key to morality — also it’s possible to act morally without much empathy; a good moral education matters.

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  20. Roberto Inactive
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Roberto (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    The guy was in extremis, but understand: the act itself has raised expectations of more from the people most effected. And realistically, Nikki Haley’s measured words at the UN will not manage that hope.

    So even taking modest action is a mistake. Best to let all be slaughtered and not lift a hand rather than take modest action to ameliorate the horror, not words but action. Is this what you are saying?

    Two things:

    1. Actions raise expectations; knowing this it is foolish to take action and then be surprised when people as a consequence have expectations.
    2. The guy was saying that this action was ineffective because it left a lot of airbases that would still be used to bomb the population. That’s a hard point to argue. If the objective wasn’t to stop Assad killing civilians what was it?

    It serves as a warning. Is this difficult to comprehend? Perhaps we should have used larger ordinance.

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  21. Roberto Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    Roberto (View Comment):
    Remind me again, when was the last time India contributed substantial forces to a foreign military engagement purely for the purpose of saving others.

    There was this. And the pride Indians took in that suggested to me that we might see a lot more of that in the future.

    I do not spit on the people of India however I am not particularly impressed either.

    India stuns world with brave Yemen rescue mission, US, France, Germany seek help

    Now there is a headline to take at face value, you are a journalist are you not? This action was a good one, however it does not overwhelm me.

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  22. Hypatia Member
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):
    No, we need to make it possible for normal life to resume there–with non-violent nationals going about their business.

    I agree and have long agreed, but I don’t think there’s been enough support for the idea of the kind of intervention and long-term commitment that would be required to do that for it to be a realistic idea. To repeat what a friend of mine said yesterday in response to a similar comment, “No one ever wants to be a refugee. Every refugee I’ve ever met wants to return to their own country. This should not be such a revelation. It doesn’t remove their need for refuge and asylum.” Until normal life resumes there — and that may not be for decades — Syrians who have been forced into exile still need refuge. Especially the children, who desperately need to continue their education; they are at risk of being unable ever to contribute to rebuilding their country because they’ll be unable to function in a modern society — illiterate, innumerate, and so traumatized they’ll be easy pickings for radical recruiters.

    They seem to be “easy pickings for radical recruiters” when they get to the West, too; see Mollenbeek.

    i just checked again, and nobody can deny  that well over half,  maybe 75% of the refugees are young, low-skilled men.  (Though of course they try very hard to report it like:  well, it may be “true”,  but it isn’t as true as you think! Or, The women travel by train! Or, Even if it is true, it’s just mean to say so!)

    Here’s my point:  these young gents are economic refugees.

    And, aren’t there any able bodied young women who aren’t pregnant or suckling?  Why don’t we see the resistance equivalent of the Bloody Bride of San Bernardino?

    And, if in fact it’s  true they want to be back in Syria eventually, they better stand and fight .

    Why can’t they?

    ISIS, currently terrorizing the entire Middle East, is made up of young men, and  women, just like them.

    Let ’em win their war for their homeland–then they can go back to school, like our GIs did after WW II.

    How else is “normal life”  ever going to resume there?

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  23. Zafar Member
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    It serves as a warning. Is this difficult to comprehend?

    Obviously.

    A warning against what?

    Killing civilians?

    Using chemical weapons?

    Both?

    Directed at whom?

    Russia?

    Assad?

    Both?

    Someone else?

    Sorry – it’s all unclear.

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  24. Zafar Member
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    I do not spit on the people of India however I am not particularly impressed either.

    Don’t be such a hard ass man! You know how we long for your approval : -)

    I’m not totally impressed with us either, actually – we are doing the normal decent thing, it should be recognised as that and no more.

    Wrt aid – so much foreign aid is sales promotion in disguise.  Countries give, and certainly do good, but in a way that benefits the donor as well as the recipient.  Not much is truly altruistic, imho.

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  25. Percival Thatcher
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    Roberto (View Comment):

    Claire Berlinski, Ed. (View Comment):

    Roberto (View Comment):
    Remind me again, when was the last time India contributed substantial forces to a foreign military engagement purely for the purpose of saving others.

    There was this. And the pride Indians took in that suggested to me that we might see a lot more of that in the future.

    I do not spit on the people of India however I am not particularly impressed either.

    India stuns world with brave Yemen rescue mission, US, France, Germany seek help

    Now there is a headline to take at face value, you are a journalist are you not? This action was a good one, however it does not overwhelm me.

    Roberto, think of it as a “shores of Tripoli” moment. It’s a start, and a credible one at that.

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  26. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Claire Berlinski, Ed.: I expected the world to meet this with the same indifference as it had all the previous attacks.

    You do realize that the physician in the video is one Shajul Islam, a “committed jihadist” according to MI6 who was struck off the UK physicians’ register after being tried in the UK

    for kidnapping John Cantlie and Jeroen Oerlemans, journalists from the UK and the Netherlands, while fighting with an Islamist group in northern Syria…. Cantlie told the Daily Mail in 2012. [Dr. Islam] was visibly upset when the execution [of two other hostages] was called off.”

    The case against Islam was dropped, however, when the prosecution was unable to call Cantlie or Oerlemans to testify against him.

    “The case rests wholly on their evidence [and] the prosecution is unable to call the witnesses,” said Mark Dennis QC.

    He did not elaborate on why this was at the time, but it later emerged that Cantlie had been kidnapped again, this time by Islamic State, along with U.S. journalist James Foley, making it impossible for him to testify.

    Fellow captive Jeroen Oerlemans refused to appear for fear this would endanger Cantlie’s life.

    Islam subsequently returned to Syria. Oerlemans was shot dead by Islamic State fighters in Libya in October 2016, and Foley was beheaded in an Islamic State propaganda video in 2014 – but Cantlie is believed to remain in captivity to this day.

    That’s not to say it wasn’t Sarin.

    [continued]

     

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  27. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Apart from Islam’s videos, the evidence for Sarin looks to be mainly from autopsies conducted in Turkey with some international observers on hand. Reading between the NYT’s lines, the chain of custody of the evidence probably leaves something to be desired.

    There is an interesting development in Turkey:

    Eren Erdem, a CHP Member of Parliament, was interviewed by RT. He said that “Sarin materials [were] brought via Turkey & mixed in Syrian ISIS camps” – and that the materials originated from European chemical companies, were brokered by Turkish businessmen, and supplied to ISIS. He called for an investigation of this supply chain.

    This appears to be collateral support for the Syrian/Russian claim that Syrian conventional weapons hit an ISIS nerve gas depot and that that is what caused any Sarin casualties.

    Erdem has now been charged with treason by the Turkish government.

    @claire, do you have some idea what’s going on in Turkey?

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  28. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):
    Ontheleftcoast

    Claire Berlinski, Ed.: I expected the world to meet this with the same indifference as it had all the previous attacks.

    You do realize that the physician in the video is one Shajul Islam, a “committed jihadist” according to MI6 who was struck off the UK physicians’ register after being tried in the UK

    So you are implying this might actually be either an ISIS false flag, or, as the Russians claim, destruction of an ISIS sarin supply by the Syrian Air Force.

    Are you trying to put Claire in the position of having to defend an impetuous mistake by Trump?

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  29. Z in MT Member
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    Claire Berlinski, Ed.: Like all foreigners who live in France, I need permission to be here.

    Wait a minute… What’s that?

    Claire Berlinski, Ed.: Like all foreigners who live in France, I need permission to be here.

    What a novel idea. Foreigners need permission to be here. You think we could institute something like that here in America?

    This is what gets my goat. People like Claire has to be worried about her ability to stay in France, but a 20 something male “refugee” should just be allowed to walk into Germany (or France), and she is all high-horsey about your common Frenchman that isn’t so delighted about it.

    This is the same issue in the US. Law abiding folks are harassed by their own government and foreigners that have broken laws to be here are ignored by the same government.

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  30. Bob Thompson Member
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    Kate Braestrup (View Comment):
    I think it’s a combination of this and a sense of helplessness. The anti-gassing-kids team has everything on its side: reason, morality, nukes. You would think the Syrian butchers (of whatever ilk) would be ashamed or, if not ashamed, frightened. They are neither, it seems.

     

    Lots of lamenting going on. We (the US of A) have not figured out how to stop atrocities since the defeat of Germany and Japan in 1945. I’m not saying we should do it, but I don’t see how these atrocities will be stopped without the total defeat of all parties engaged in these processes and a new political start like in Germany and Japan. So anything less will leave probably all parties dissatisfied and many dead and suffering. In WWII our entry was related to our national interest and defense,  notwithstanding how that got to be the case. It’s difficult to make that case here. We are not the world.

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