John Yoo: Good News and Bad News

 

The good news? John has just agreed to guest-host the Ricochet podcast this week, sitting in for Rob. (Rob will be back in April. He swears.)The bad news? John revealed in an email exchange just now–don’t ask how the subject came up–that, priding himself on the cuisine, if that is the word, of his hometown of Philadelphia, he insists, insists, on putting Cheez Wiz on steak sandwiches.

Remember John in your prayers.

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  1. ZStone Thatcher

    Come now Peter, is it any worse than what goes into ice cream here in the bay area?

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    • March 6, 2017, at 5:43 PM PDT
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  2. Trinity Waters Inactive

    You wanting to start a vicious thread of 500 comments, complete with much moderating, shunning and suspending? Insult Cheez Wiz or Velveeta.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 5:45 PM PDT
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  3. Peter Robinson Founder
    Peter Robinson Post author

    Trinity Waters (View Comment):
    You wanting to start a vicious thread of 500 comments, complete with much moderating, shunning and suspending? Insult Cheez Wiz or Velveeta.

    Cheez Wiz and Velveeta are both disgusting.

    Will that get us to 1,000 comments?

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    • March 6, 2017, at 5:47 PM PDT
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  4. Guruforhire Member

    The only good thing about Philly is the new express terminal at the airport.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 5:51 PM PDT
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  5. Valiuth Member

    Well Mr. Yoo does love the McRib, so we should not be surprised. I personally say real cheese steak is provolone or nothing! But everyone knows that cheese stake is poor man’s Italian beef. Dripping with meat juice and loaded with hot and sweet peppers, it is the only beef sandwich worth having.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 5:52 PM PDT
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  6. Valiuth Member

    Guruforhire (View Comment):
    The only good thing about Philly is the new express terminal at the airport.

    The Art Museum is very good, and they have Rocky…

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    • March 6, 2017, at 5:56 PM PDT
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  7. Vance Richards Member

    “One Whiz wit.” Why do people do that when they could have provolone?

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    • March 6, 2017, at 5:58 PM PDT
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  8. Scott R Member

    Coincidentally Cheez Wiz was mentioned in some of those enhanced interrogation legal debates in the Bush years.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:00 PM PDT
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  9. James Gawron Thatcher

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):
    Cheez Wiz and Velveeta are both disgusting.

    Peter,

    Obviously, you fail to understand the great American tradition of synthetic a priori food (actually you leave out the a priori part and just manufacture the stuff synthetically). Nature is highly overrated thus wholly unnatural food has always found a place in the glorious junk food American cornucopia. I rest my case (it’s a good thing too because I have a severe stomach ache).

    Harrumph!!

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:00 PM PDT
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  10. kelsurprise, drama queen Member

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):
    Cheez Wiz and Velveeta are both disgusting.

    Whoa!

    I was with you on the Cheez Wiz but I must protest the vilification of Velveeta.

    One cannot make queso dip without that magic melting mystery brick of . . . whatever is actually in that box, which makes Velveeta (and RoTel) staple items, as far as I’m concerned.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:00 PM PDT
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  11. Eustace C. Scrubb Member

    Velveeta is to cheese as Tang is to orange juice.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:08 PM PDT
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  12. James Gawron Thatcher

    kelsurprise (View Comment):

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):
    Cheez Wiz and Velveeta are both disgusting.

    Whoa!

    I was with you on the Cheez Wiz but I must protest the vilification of Velveeta.

    One cannot make queso dip without that magic melting mystery brick of . . . whatever is actually in that box, which makes Velveeta (and RoTel) staple items, as far as I’m concerned.

    Kel,

    Here, here good woman tell the him that he has barked up the wrong tree on this.

    Harrumph!!

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:12 PM PDT
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  13. Hoyacon Member

    This issue goes back centuries in Philly and is a little known corollary to the debate over the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Some enlightened but fringe historians contend that the enumerated powers and First Amendment had their genesis in the preference of Madison and others for Cheese Whiz, and their concern that such views would be stifled by a ruler/central government staffed by “health nuts.” The Whiz/Velveeta debate is rumored to be reflected in missing portions of the Federalist Papers (known as the “pasteurized process” articles). Hamilton was a Velveeta man.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:18 PM PDT
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  14. Sabrdance Member

    Look, the harshing on American Cheese really is uncalled for. But if you must have a source, I give you “In Defense of American Cheese.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:22 PM PDT
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  15. rebark Member

    I am sick and tired of Ricochet’s contributors being so biased against Cheez-Whiz. Every time I sign on here, the front page is littered with posts that just don’t get it. You elitists may have more cheddar than the rest of us, but we will make American great again.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:36 PM PDT
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  16. Hoyacon Member

    rebark (View Comment):
    I am sick and tired of Ricochet’s contributors being so biased against Cheez-Wiz. Every time I sign on here, the front page is littered with posts that just don’t get it. You elitists may have more cheddar than the rest of us, but we will make American cheese great again.

    Spot on. And it’s not just here. When was the last time you saw Bill Kristol or Jonah Goldberg eating Cheese Wiz? Hey people, seeing The Wiz years ago doesn’t count!

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:40 PM PDT
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  17. Hugh Member

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):

    Trinity Waters (View Comment):
    You wanting to start a vicious thread of 500 comments, complete with much moderating, shunning and suspending? Insult Cheez Wiz or Velveeta.

    Cheez Wiz and Velveeta are both disgusting.

    Will that get us to 1,000 comments?

    They both microwave very nicely.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:41 PM PDT
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  18. Paul J. Croeber Inactive

    John may well take Cheez Whiz as a second, if not third variety of cheese or cheesefood on his steak sandwich.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 6:52 PM PDT
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  19. Percival Thatcher

    kelsurprise (View Comment):

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):
    Cheez Wiz and Velveeta are both disgusting.

    Whoa!

    I was with you on the Cheez Wiz but I must protest the vilification of Velveeta.

    One cannot make queso dip without that magic melting mystery brick of . . . whatever is actually in that box, which makes Velveeta (and RoTel) staple items, as far as I’m concerned.

    RoTel? Well that’s what you’re doing wrong, right there. You don’t have to follow the recipe that’s on the box. Get some tomatoes and green chilies and chop ’em up yourself. Add some frioles negros, a little wine, some more chilies, a little more wine, some onions, some wine … whoops. We’re a little low on wine.

    The Velveeta is key, though.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 7:03 PM PDT
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  20. JustmeinAZ Member

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):

    Trinity Waters (View Comment):
    You wanting to start a vicious thread of 500 comments, complete with much moderating, shunning and suspending? Insult Cheez Wiz or Velveeta.

    Cheez Wiz and Velveeta are both disgusting.

    Will that get us to 1,000 comments?

    Heresy!

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    • March 6, 2017, at 7:17 PM PDT
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  21. Umbra Fractus Inactive

    #NeverCheezWhiz

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    • March 6, 2017, at 7:17 PM PDT
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  22. PHCheese Member

    Cheese been very good to me.?

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    • March 6, 2017, at 7:17 PM PDT
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  23. PHCheese Member

    In Philadelphia they use white cheese.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 7:18 PM PDT
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  24. James Gawron Thatcher

    Percival (View Comment):

    kelsurprise (View Comment):

    Peter Robinson (View Comment):
    Cheez Wiz and Velveeta are both disgusting.

    Whoa!

    I was with you on the Cheez Wiz but I must protest the vilification of Velveeta.

    One cannot make queso dip without that magic melting mystery brick of . . . whatever is actually in that box, which makes Velveeta (and RoTel) staple items, as far as I’m concerned.

    RoTel? Well that’s what you’re doing wrong, right there. You don’t have to follow the recipe that’s on the box. Get some tomatoes and green chilies and chop ’em up yourself. Add some frioles negros, a little wine, some more chilies, a little more wine, some onions, some wine … whoops. We’re a little low on wine.

    The Velveeta is key, though.

    Percival,

    Try to make this clear to Peter just how vital Velveeta is. Why with your recipe invoked a microwave could ignite like a nitro-methane funny-car doing the quarter mile. Even the land speed record might be breached. Food technology is of the utmost importance.

    Harrumph!!

    Regards,

    Jim

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    • March 6, 2017, at 7:18 PM PDT
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  25. Hoyacon Member

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):
    #NeverCheezWhiz

    Thanks Michelle. :)

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    • March 6, 2017, at 7:18 PM PDT
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  26. Fred Cole Member

    Peter, I realize that the meaning of “conservative” is in the process of being rewritten,

    However, you of all people should appreciate Cheez Wiz on a cheese steak.

    Yes, Cheez Wiz is disgusting (as are all things Philadelphia-related), but it is the traditional topping.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 7:21 PM PDT
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  27. DocJay Inactive

    I was impaired one night in college and hanging out with my girlfriend at some campus eatery. We bought a bottle of spray cheese and a stack of crackers. The top broke and it was a continual flow of cheese. We kept spreading the crackers and eating as fast as it came out. If you were there it was funny.

    @jongabriel , dude, dude, put the atherosclerosis down. Step away from the trough Jon. Just step away.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 7:43 PM PDT
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  28. Liz Member
    Liz

    rebark (View Comment):
    I am sick and tired of Ricochet’s contributors being so biased against Cheez-Wiz. Every time I sign on here, the front page is littered with posts that just don’t get it. You elitists may have more cheddar than the rest of us, but we will make American great again.

    (H/T: various denizens of a notorious thread somewhere back there in the bowels of R>)

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    • March 6, 2017, at 8:17 PM PDT
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  29. wilber forge Member

    You people are weird, why eat something you would not feed a dog. And it is unlikely anyone is starving.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 8:25 PM PDT
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  30. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member

    wilber forge (View Comment):
    You people are weird, why eat something you would not feed a dog. And it is unlikely anyone is starving.

    I’d feed my dog pretty much anything. The question is whether it would eat it, and by extension whether or not I should.

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    • March 6, 2017, at 8:37 PM PDT
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