Time for Trump to Resign

 

The nearly four weeks since President Donald Trump’s inauguration have been the most divisive period of American politics since the end of the Second World War. The sharp lines that everyone is drawing in the sand pose a serious threat to the United States. On the one side stand many conservatives and populists who are rejoicing in the Trump victory as the salvation of a nation in decline. On other side sit the committed progressives who are still smarting from an election in which they were trounced in the electoral college, even as Hillary Clinton garnered a clear majority of the popular vote.

As a classical liberal who did not vote for either candidate, I stand in opposition to both groups. And after assessing Trump’s performance during the first month of his presidency, I think it is clear that he ought to resign. However, it important to cut through the partisan hysteria to identify both what Trump is doing right and wrong in order to explain my assessment of his presidency to date.

On the positive side is the simple fact that Trump won the election. What is right about Trump is what was wrong with Clinton—her promise to continue, and even expand, the policies of the Obama administration. The day after the election, it was clear that none of her policy proposals would be implemented under a Trump presidency, coupled with a Republican Congress. As I have long argued, there are good reasons to critique the progressive world view. Progressives believe that reduced levels of taxation and a strong dose of deregulation would do little or nothing to advance economic growth. In their view, only monetary and fiscal policy matter for dealing with sluggish growth, so they fashion policy on the giddy assumption that their various schemes to advance union power, consumer protection, environmental, insurance, and financial market regulation—among others—only affect matters of distribution and fairness, but will have no discernible effect on economic growth. In making this assumption, they assume, as did many socialists and New Dealers in the 1930s, that it is possible to partition questions of justice and redistribution from those of economic prosperity.

In taking this position, they fail to account for how administrative costs, major uncertainty, and distorted incentives affect capital formation, product innovation, and job creation. Instead, today’s progressives have their own agenda for wealth creation that includes such remedies as a $15 minimum wage, stronger union protections, and an equal pay law with genuine bite. But these policies will necessarily reduce growth by imposing onerous barriers on voluntary exchange. The fact that there was any economic growth at all under the Obama administration—and even then, it was faltering and anemic—had one cause: the Republican Congress that blocked the implementation of further progressive policies and advanced a pro-growth agenda.

Sadly, both President Obama and his various administrative heads pushed hard on the regulatory levers that were still available to them. And so we got a Department of Labor (DOL) decision to raise the exemption levels under the Fair Labor Standards Act from just over $23,000 to just over $47,000, in ways that would have disrupted, without question, several major segments of the economy for whom the statutory definition of an hour does not serve as a workable measure of account. Thus, at one stroke, DOL compromised the status of graduate students, whose studies and work are often inseparable; of tech employees, whose compensation often comes in the form of deferred stock payments; and of gig workers, who are employed by the job and not the hour. At the same time, the general counsel of the National Labor Relations Board has taken steps to wreck highly successful, long-term franchising arrangements, by announcing henceforth that the franchisor may on a case-by-case basis be treated as an employer subject to the collective bargaining obligations of the NLRA. These, and similar decisions, are acts of wealth destruction, and they offer one powerful explanation, among many, for the decline in the labor participation rate to its lowest levels since World War II.

The misguided opposition to the Trump administration extends far more broadly. I was an advisor to the MAIN coalition (Midwest Alliance for Infrastructure Now) in the now successful effort to undo the roadblocks that the Obama administration put in the path of the Dakota Access Pipeline, and still find it incomprehensible that any administration could engage in a set of collusive rearguard actions to block a pipeline that met or exceeded every government standard in terms of need, safety, and historical and environmental protection. The handwringing of the Obama administration over the Keystone XL pipeline was equally inexcusable. Two expertly crafted executive orders from the Trump administration removed the roadblocks simply by allowing the standard review processes of the Army Corps of Engineers and other agencies to run their course. Nonetheless, virtually every initiative to deregulate that comes from the Trump administration is greeted with howls of protest, whether the topic be healthcare, banking, brokerage, or consumer protection. Yet these very deregulations explain why the stock market has surged: collectively, they will help revive a stagnant economy.

Worse still are the attacks on the integrity and independence of Judge Neil Gorsuch from most, but not all, progressives. Georgetown University’s Neal Katyal should be singled out for his praise of Gorsuch as a person and a judge. Unfortunately, the vast majority of progressives, like Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer, wail that Gorsuch is not a mainstream judge, is not sufficiently supportive of progressive ideals, and, most critically, is not Judge Merrick Garland. The United States sails in treacherous waters when members of either party think that any judge appointed by the opposition is not fit for service on the United States Supreme Court unless he publicly denounces the President who nominated him for that high office. I have long believed that any nominee should be judged on his or her record, without being called on to play rope-a-dope before hostile senators who only wish to bait, trap, and embarrass the nominee.

It seems clear that if President Trump went about his job in a statesmanlike manner, the progressive counterattack would surely fail, and a sane Republican party could gain the support of a dominant share of the electorate for at least the next two election cycles, if not more.

Yet there are deeper problems, because President Trump’s anti-free trade agenda will hurt—if not devastate—the very people whom he wants to help. Extensive trade between the United States and Mexico is indispensable for the prosperity of both countries. The looming trade war threatens that win/win position. The notion that the United States should run positive trade balances with every country is an absurd position to take in international economic relations, lest every country has the right to claim the same preferred status for itself. Yet it has never occurred to Trump that a negative trade balance amounts to a vote of confidence by other countries that it is safe to invest in the United States, allowing the United States to create new industries and new jobs. Nor does he understand that any effort to be successful in the export market requires importing cheap components from foreign firms—an oversight evident from his ill-conceived executive order calling, whenever legal, for American pipe on an American pipelines. If our trade partners retaliate, the current stock market surge will take on a different complexion. The Dow may be high, but the variation in future prices will be high as well. If Congress thwarts his anti-trade agenda, the domestic reforms should yield lasting benefits. If Congress caves, or if Trump works by aggressive executive order, the entire system could come tumbling down.

Speaking of executive orders, the President’s hasty and disastrous order dealing with immigrants has vast implications for America’s position in the world. In a global economy, the United States cannot afford to let petty protectionism keep the best talent from coming here for education and staying later for work. I, for one, believe that his executive order exceeds his executive powers. Others, like Michael McConnell, disagree. But no matter which way one comes down on its legality, nothing excuses its faulty rollout, petty nationalism, exaggerated fears of terrorism, and disruptive economic effects. The Trump administration agenda desperately needs to be rethought from the ground up by a deliberative process in which the President relies on his Cabinet.

So the question remains: does Trump remain his own worst enemy? My fears are that he is too rigid and too uneducated to make the necessary shift to good leadership. By taking foolish and jingoist stances, Trump has done more than any other human being alive today to bring a sensible classical liberal agenda into disrepute. Then there is the matter of his character. The personal moral failings of the President include his vicious tweets, his self-righteous attitude, his shameless self-promotion, his petty resentments, his immoral flirtation with Vladimir Putin, his nonstop denigration of federal judges, his jawboning of American businesses, his predilection for conspiracy theories, his reliance on alternative facts, and his vindictive behavior toward his political opponents.

Hence, I think that there is ample reason to call for Trump’s resignation, even though I know full well that my advice will not be heeded. And this welcome outcome will not happen so long as the attack against him comes solely from progressive Democrats. Sensible Republicans should focus on the threat that he represents to their plan, and recall that the alternative is no longer Hillary Clinton, but Mike Pence. I think that Pence is unlikely to abandon the positive aspects of the Trump agenda, and there is some reason to hope that he will back off Trump’s suicidal positions on trade and immigration, and put a stop to the endless train of uncivil behaviors demeaning the office of the President. Some miracles happen, but a Trump transformation will not be one of them. Unfortunately, his excesses could power a progressive revival. Would that I had the power to say to Trump, “You’re fired!”

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  1. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    He seems compelled to misleadlingly abuse the superlative (“everyone”, “silent”…) instead of engaging in good faith discussion.

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  2. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Moderator Note:

    no more personal attacks please

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    [redacted]

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  3. Jamie Lockett Member
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    He seems compelled to misleadlingly abuse the superlative (“everyone”, “silent”…) instead of engaging in good faith discussion.

    Just pointing out the ever shifting standards of the die hard Trumpers.

    “Shut up, they explained”

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  4. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    He seems compelled to misleadlingly abuse the superlative (“everyone”, “silent”…) instead of engaging in good faith discussion.

    Just pointing out the ever shifting standards of the die hard Trumpers.

    “Shut up, they explained”

    But you haven’t pointed that out as much as made it up.

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  5. Jamie Lockett Member
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    He seems compelled to misleadlingly abuse the superlative (“everyone”, “silent”…) instead of engaging in good faith discussion.

    Just pointing out the ever shifting standards of the die hard Trumpers.

    “Shut up, they explained”

    But you haven’t pointed that out as much as made it up.

    Ah, were you making the case in 2012 that the election settled all disputes concerning Obamas policies and character? Did you refuse to criticize the newly re-elected President on those grounds? If so I would love to read it.

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  6. Jager Coolidge
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    Long story short @m1919a4 is correct.

    You had an election. Its over he and those agree with him won.

    In fact I just remember the last time I saw someone do what Richard Epstein did. It was election night 2010 and senator Bernie Sanders demanded that the Republicans in the congress not push to keep the Bush Tax Cuts. Something about them not have an electoral mandate, despite the fact they ran on keeping those tax cuts and winning the house in the biggest landslide in 60 years.

    If you have a problem with that there are ways to handle it, including using your free speech to demand that he resign.

    Just as we on the other side have every reason to laugh at such an un-serious post and think that the actions are childish.

    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    No, everyone was not silent about President Obama, and no one needs to be silent about the failings of Donald Trump.

    I don’t recall a serious conversation whose title and conclusion was that Obama should resign. It was not going to happen. That idea would have been mocked.

    I don’t like Obama so he should resign is not a serious position, just as I don’t like Trump so he should resign is not a serious position.

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  7. Bob Thompson Member
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    Jager (View Comment):

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    ToryWarWriter (View Comment):
    Long story short @m1919a4 is correct.

    You had an election. Its over he and those agree with him won.

    In fact I just remember the last time I saw someone do what Richard Epstein did. It was election night 2010 and senator Bernie Sanders demanded that the Republicans in the congress not push to keep the Bush Tax Cuts. Something about them not have an electoral mandate, despite the fact they ran on keeping those tax cuts and winning the house in the biggest landslide in 60 years.

    If you have a problem with that there are ways to handle it, including using your free speech to demand that he resign.

    Just as we on the other side have every reason to laugh at such an un-serious post and think that the actions are childish.

    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    No, everyone was not silent about President Obama, and no one needs to be silent about the failings of Donald Trump.

    I don’t recall a serious conversation whose title and conclusion was that Obama should resign. It was not going to happen. That idea would have been mocked.

    I don’t like Obama so he should resign is not a serious position, just as I don’t like Trump so he should resign is not a serious position.

    Exactly.

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  8. Jager Coolidge
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah, were you making the case in 2012 that the election settled all disputes concerning Obamas policies and character? Did you refuse to criticize the newly re-elected President on those grounds? If so I would love to read it.

    Maybe your memory of 4 years ago is better than mine. Perhaps you could point to a conversation from a month into Obama’s second term where there was a call for Obama’s resignation?

    I don’t think one happened, Obama was never going to resign. It takes more than the displeasure of people who did not vote for you to make a politician resign.

     

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    Jager (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah, were you making the case in 2012 that the election settled all disputes concerning Obamas policies and character? Did you refuse to criticize the newly re-elected President on those grounds? If so I would love to read it.

    Maybe your memory of 4 years ago is better than mine. Perhaps you could point to a conversation from a month into Obama’s second term where there was a call for Obama’s resignation?

    I don’t think one happened, Obama was never going to resign. It takes more than the displeasure of people who did not vote for you to make a politician resign.

    To be fair – a better question to ask is not whether anyone here was making that argument, but was there anyone on the Left who was demanding that Obama resign?  I don’t think there was.

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  10. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Long story short @m1919a4 is correct.

    You had an election. Its over he and those agree with him won.

    In fact I just remember the last time I saw someone do what Richard Epstein did. It was election night 2010 and senator Bernie Sanders demanded that the Republicans in the congress not push to keep the Bush Tax Cuts. Something about them not have an electoral mandate, despite the fact they ran on keeping those tax cuts and winning the house in the biggest landslide in 60 years.

    If you have a problem with that there are ways to handle it, including using your free speech to demand that he resign.

    Just as we on the other side have every reason to laugh at such an un-serious post and think that the actions are childish.

    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    No, everyone was not silent about President Obama, and no one needs to be silent about the failings of Donald Trump.

    I don’t recall a serious conversation whose title and conclusion was that Obama should resign. It was not going to happen. That idea would have been mocked.

    I don’t like Obama so he should resign is not a serious position, just as I don’t like Trump so he should resign is not a serious position.


    I was responding to the idea advanced by Tory and others that the election settled the questions about Trumps policies and character. Remeber I have stated multiple times that I don’t agree with Prof Epteins conclusions here.

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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    He seems compelled to misleadlingly abuse the superlative (“everyone”, “silent”…) instead of engaging in good faith discussion.

    Just pointing out the ever shifting standards of the die hard Trumpers.

    “Shut up, they explained”

    But you haven’t pointed that out as much as made it up.

    Ah, were you making the case in 2012 that the election settled all disputes concerning Obamas policies and character? Did you refuse to criticize the newly re-elected President on those grounds? If so I would love to read it.

    [redacted]

    There are plenty of grounds on which to criticize Trump and plenty of productive ways to do so (or to urge him in the right direction with tactics that would not be regarded as criticism). The problem is that when people take Epstein’s approach it discredits legitimate and productive criticism and other efforts to push Trump in the right direction.

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  12. skipsul Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Remeber I have stated multiple times that I don’t agree with Prof Epteins conclusions here.

    Which is a point we all should remember.  We’re over 400 comments and I don’t think there has been a single one that actually agreed with Epstein’s conclusions.

    Which leads me to ask – what in heck have all of you been arguing about for the last couple of pages?  Just let it go already and save your ammo for another post.  If we keep getting the personal shots we’ll just lock the comments anyway.

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    ctlaw (View Comment):
    The problem is that when people take Epstein’s approach it discredits legitimate and productive criticism and other efforts to push Trump in the right direction.

    I think that conclusion is also something pretty well everyone here is going to agree on.  As someone said fairly early on in this discussion, if Epstein had changed his conclusion to something more along the lines of “Trump should engage in course correction” (or words to that effect) then more people would take the rest of the essay seriously.

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  14. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    He seems compelled to misleadlingly abuse the superlative (“everyone”, “silent”…) instead of engaging in good faith discussion.

    Just pointing out the ever shifting standards of the die hard Trumpers.

    “Shut up, they explained”

    But you haven’t pointed that out as much as made it up.

    Ah, were you making the case in 2012 that the election settled all disputes concerning Obamas policies and character? Did you refuse to criticize the newly re-elected President on those grounds? If so I would love to read it.

    [redacted]

    There are plenty of grounds on which to criticize Trump and plenty of productive ways to do so (or to urge him in the right direction with tactics that would not be regarded as criticism). The problem is that when people take Epstein’s approach it discredits legitimate and productive criticism and other efforts to push Trump in the right direction.

    No need to be rude my friend.

    The point you make here is decidedly not the point I am responding to. I agree with you here and have said on this thread that I didn’t agree with the conclusions of the OP. The problem is the argument advanced by people here that 1) the election settled the questions surrounding Trumps character and policies and 2) that any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist.

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  15. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    He seems compelled to misleadlingly abuse the superlative (“everyone”, “silent”…) instead of engaging in good faith discussion.

    Just pointing out the ever shifting standards of the die hard Trumpers.

    “Shut up, they explained”

    But you haven’t pointed that out as much as made it up.

    Ah, were you making the case in 2012 that the election settled all disputes concerning Obamas policies and character? Did you refuse to criticize the newly re-elected President on those grounds? If so I would love to read it.

    [redacted]

    There are plenty of grounds on which to criticize Trump and plenty of productive ways to do so (or to urge him in the right direction with tactics that would not be regarded as criticism). The problem is that when people take Epstein’s approach it discredits legitimate and productive criticism and other efforts to push Trump in the right direction.

    No need to be rude my friend.

    The point you make here is decidedly not the point I am responding to. I agree with you here and have said on this thread that I didn’t agree with the conclusions of the OP. The problem is the argument advanced by people here that 1) the election settled the questions surrounding Trumps character and policies and 2) that any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist.

    Who said: “any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist”?

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  16. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    He seems compelled to misleadlingly abuse the superlative (“everyone”, “silent”…) instead of engaging in good faith discussion.

    Just pointing out the ever shifting standards of the die hard Trumpers.

    “Shut up, they explained”

    But you haven’t pointed that out as much as made it up.

    Ah, were you making the case in 2012 that the election settled all disputes concerning Obamas policies and character? Did you refuse to criticize the newly re-elected President on those grounds? If so I would love to read it.

    [redacted]

    There are plenty of grounds on which to criticize Trump and plenty of productive ways to do so (or to urge him in the right direction with tactics that would not be regarded as criticism). The problem is that when people take Epstein’s approach it discredits legitimate and productive criticism and other efforts to push Trump in the right direction.

    No need to be rude my friend.

    The point you make here is decidedly not the point I am responding to. I agree with you here and have said on this thread that I didn’t agree with the conclusions of the OP. The problem is the argument advanced by people here that 1) the election settled the questions surrounding Trumps character and policies and 2) that any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist.

    Who said: “any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist”?

    Plenty of people did in the beginning stages of this thread.

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  17. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Who said: “any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist”?

    Multiple people in this very thread have characterized Prof. Epstein’s position as, “Marxist.”

    One person said that the OP could have been written by a leftist, and another responded, “Who says it wasn’t?”

    Critics of Trump have been repeatedly accused of “joining the left” in their efforts to “undermine” the President.

    Those who merely wish for Trump to act in a more dignified manner have been accused of wanting to surrender to the left.

    The implications are clear: No one may criticize Trump from the right.

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  18. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    He seems compelled to misleadlingly abuse the superlative (“everyone”, “silent”…) instead of engaging in good faith discussion.

    Just pointing out the ever shifting standards of the die hard Trumpers.

    “Shut up, they explained”

    But you haven’t pointed that out as much as made it up.

    Ah, were you making the case in 2012 that the election settled all disputes concerning Obamas policies and character? Did you refuse to criticize the newly re-elected President on those grounds? If so I would love to read it.

    [redacted]

    There are plenty of grounds on which to criticize Trump and plenty of productive ways to do so (or to urge him in the right direction with tactics that would not be regarded as criticism). The problem is that when people take Epstein’s approach it discredits legitimate and productive criticism and other efforts to push Trump in the right direction.

    No need to be rude my friend.

    The point you make here is decidedly not the point I am responding to. I agree with you here and have said on this thread that I didn’t agree with the conclusions of the OP. The problem is the argument advanced by people here that 1) the election settled the questions surrounding Trumps character and policies and 2) that any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist.

    Who said: “any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist”?

    Plenty of people did in the beginning stages of this thread.

    The word “left” is used 8 times in the first page of comments, twice by me in sentences containing criticism of Trump and once by you. The other 5 do not appear to satisfy your statement.

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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    She (View Comment):
    It is important that every Ricochet member feels free to speak his or her mind, civilly and respectfully, on this thread.

    Clearly there are some differences of opinion, but they will not be solved by the people on one side telling the people on the other that they have only two choices: either to give up their beliefs, or to keep their mouths shut.

    There is room for more than one opinion here. Please respect all of them. Thank you.

    I don’t think I will ever feel that way about Trump.

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  20. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    Who said: “any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist”?

    Multiple people in this very thread have characterized Prof. Epstein’s position as, “Marxist.”

    One person said that the OP could have been written by a leftist, and another responded, “Who says it wasn’t?”

    Critics of Trump have been repeatedly accused of “joining the left” in their efforts to “undermine” the President.

    Those who merely wish for Trump to act in a more dignified manner have been accused of wanting to surrender to the left.

    Epstein did not “merely wish for Trump to act in a more dignified manner”. I wish for Trump to do so.

    The implications are clear: No one may criticize Trump from the right.

    Edits underlined:

    No one may poorly criticize Trump allegedly from the right and claim immunity from cricitcism, even mockery and derision.

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  21. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted].

    He seems compelled to misleadlingly abuse the superlative (“everyone”, “silent”…) instead of engaging in good faith discussion.

    Just pointing out the ever shifting standards of the die hard Trumpers.

    “Shut up, they explained”

    But you haven’t pointed that out as much as made it up.

    Ah, were you making the case in 2012 that the election settled all disputes concerning Obamas policies and character? Did you refuse to criticize the newly re-elected President on those grounds? If so I would love to read it.

    [redacted]

    There are plenty of grounds on which to criticize Trump and plenty of productive ways to do so (or to urge him in the right direction with tactics that would not be regarded as criticism). The problem is that when people take Epstein’s approach it discredits legitimate and productive criticism and other efforts to push Trump in the right direction.

    No need to be rude my friend.

    The point you make here is decidedly not the point I am responding to. I agree with you here and have said on this thread that I didn’t agree with the conclusions of the OP. The problem is the argument advanced by people here that 1) the election settled the questions surrounding Trumps character and policies and 2) that any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist.

    Who said: “any criticism of Trump makes one a leftist”?

    Plenty of people did in the beginning stages of this thread.

    The word “left” is used 8 times in the first page of comments, twice by me in sentences containing criticism of Trump and once by you. The other 5 do not appear to satisfy your statement.

    I think a lot of those comments were redacted or deleted because of the CoC.

    Also:

    ctlaw (View Comment):
    No one may poorly criticize Trump allegedly from the right and claim immunity from cricitcism, even mockery and derision.

    [redacted]

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  22. Jager Coolidge
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    I was responding to the idea advanced by Tory and others that the election settled the questions about Trumps policies and character. Remeber I have stated multiple times that I don’t agree with Prof Epteins conclusions here.

    I appreciate that you don’t agree with the conclusion of Prof Epstein. I am not trying to imply that you support it.

    I do think you are misrepresenting the argument that Tory is making. When you stated everyone was silent about Obama’s failings, no they weren’t and neither should they be about Trumps. Unless I am misreading something, Tory’s comment goes directly to the conclusion not to the preceding criticisms.

    Trump’s character and policies and the possibility that a political novice would make small errors were all know quantities before the election. They are all open for criticism. The election did not settle these questions in that there should be no criticism. It “settled” them in the idea that they were not important enough to stop people for voting for Trump so they are not now, without a new serious issue, serious enough to cause his resignation.

     

     

     

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  23. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Jager (View Comment):
    When you stated everyone was silent about Obama’s failings,

    You’re taking what he said too literally. He was being facetious to make the point that winning does not shield a politician from criticism. Appeal to majority is recognized a logical fallacy; the fact that Trump won the election has no bearing on whether or not Prof. Epstein is right.

    ctlaw (View Comment):
    Epstein did not “merely wish for Trump to act in a more dignified manner”. I wish for Trump to do so.

    That was supporting evidence from previous conversations.

     

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  24. Instugator Thatcher
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    Ah yes, I remeber how everyone on Ricochet remained silent about President Obama and his failings after 2012. How silly of me.

    [redacted]

    You have got to be covering me in excrement – given the unredacted comment above.

    I was merely offering hardened, aged, excretions of bovine mammary glands to go along with the fermented grape juice the commentator seemed to be enjoying. I even included an offer of thin baked ground wheat.

    But if broadly based violations of the written morality statute (evidenced above) aren’t enough to trigger redactions then certainly my sincere offer of sustenance should not.

    I do note that directly being called a stalker doesn’t run afoul of the written morality statute.

    Editors, heal thyselves.

    Edit – looks like they did. The very definition of well-healed.

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  25. JLocked Inactive
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    Click HERE To Read All The Insults That Were TOO HOT FOR RICOCHET! 

    brought to you by Ricochet Nights. 

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  26. Wiley Inactive
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    billy (View Comment):

    Look let’s just lay the cards on the table: the idea that Trump should resign a month into his presidency is just nuts. It is just unhinged nuttery. I first met Professor Epstein nearly 30 years ago when my college roommate suggested we go over and hear this guy talk about his new book about the 5th Amendment.

    Later I watched Joe Biden wave around the book, Takings, as he demanded of nominee Clarence Thomas, ” Have you read this filth?”*

    Well I thought Biden was nuts then, just like I think Epstein sounds nuts now. I tried saying it bluntly and I was redacted. I’ve tried saying it subtly, and my comments just disappeared. So here we are.

    *He may have worded it differently, it was a while ago.

    “Nuts” is accurate…  I used the word “absurd” and my comment was deleted. But “unhinged” might work also.

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  27. Bob Thompson Member
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    @BobThompson

    Wiley (View Comment):

    billy (View Comment):

    Look let’s just lay the cards on the table: the idea that Trump should resign a month into his presidency is just nuts. It is just unhinged nuttery. I first met Professor Epstein nearly 30 years ago when my college roommate suggested we go over and hear this guy talk about his new book about the 5th Amendment.

    Later I watched Joe Biden wave around the book, Takings, as he demanded of nominee Clarence Thomas, ” Have you read this filth?”*

    Well I thought Biden was nuts then, just like I think Epstein sounds nuts now. I tried saying it bluntly and I was redacted. I’ve tried saying it subtly, and my comments just disappeared. So here we are.

    *He may have worded it differently, it was a while ago.

    “Nuts” is accurate… I used the word “absurd” and my comment was deleted. But “unhinged” might work also.

    Maybe this is because different people look at the comment, some like it some don’t, like the deep state ‘civil servants’.

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  28. The Reticulator Member
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    Wiley (View Comment):
    “Nuts” is accurate… I used the word “absurd” and my comment was deleted. But “unhinged” might work also.

    I got redacted for using unhinged in a general way.  We’ll see if this comment gets redacted, too.

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