Legal Discrimination and the Death of Virtue Signaling

 

The Trump administration is reportedly considering an executive order granting broad religious freedoms (you know, the kind we enjoyed prior to Barack Obama). From the Nation:

leaked copy of a draft executive order titled “Establishing a Government-Wide Initiative to Respect Religious Freedom,” obtained by The Investigative Fund and The Nation, reveals sweeping plans by the Trump administration to legalize discrimination.

I find myself unmoved. By far, the biggest source of discrimination in American society is political — i.e., discriminating against people with the “wrong sort” of politics — which is legal in most states and universally approved of by the Left. Of all the varied forms of discrimination I’ve faced, political discrimination was by far the worst and the most difficult to fight. Unlike other forms, it’s almost impossible to plan for; it strikes randomly, like lightning (note, I am not talking about discrimination on the basis of political opinions, but on membership in broad political coalitions).

After politics, the second worst form of discrimination I experienced was the result of corporate anti-discrimination and diversity policies. Sometimes I wonder if employers would be happier if I brought a list of the popular “oppressed” groups I belong to job interviews, but I’ve never been able to bring myself to do it; it would be a deeply painful violation of my privacy.

I loathe anti-discrimination laws, and I hope President Trump gets rid of each and every one of them. It isn’t possible for the government to ban discrimination any more than it was possible for it to ban alcohol, homosexuality, or gambling. All these laws do is feed the narcissism of our virtue-signalling professional class, and serve as weapons whereby they can bully each other — and those beneath them — into submission.

Trump got elected in part because a large number of Americans were facing politically correct forms of discrimination. But, instead of trying to pass yet more anti-discrimination laws, he is trying to weaken the ones we have. He is wise to do so.

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  1. The Reticulator Member
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    Marion Evans (View Comment):
    So if we agree that discrimination is a bad thing, what is your plan B to reduce it? Or maybe you think it’s fine.

    Some discrimination is good, some is bad, and some is illegal. The only people who don’t discriminate are dead people. I would not want to reduce the good kind.

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  2. Pugshot Inactive
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    Pugshot (View Comment):
    OMG – I’m a white conservative straight male who is a lawyer! What am I to do???

    @patrickmcclure

    Hate yourself

    @ontheleftcoast

    Check your privilege. Constantly, while groveling to those whose sensibilities are sufficiently developed by their undergraduate studies in the XXX studies departments.
    These departments serve as training grounds for our political commissars and provide the initial cannon fodder for the groups blackshirts and brownshirts so recently seen on the streets of Berkeley. The shadowy network of organizations who coordinate and train the thugs can then select the better suited for more intensive training and greater responsibility, with which go stipends and transportation.
    Meanwhile, the less violent majority (at any rate those not selected for graduate indoctrination or hired into entry level commissar jobs in HR departments everywhere) provides a network of provocateurs and informants in every organization and workplace.
    You are being watched.

    @edisonparks

    Make your money defending the Defendant in an anti-discrimination lawsuit …. it’s a dirty job but somebody’s gotta do it…

    I don’t think I’m crazy about any of the suggested options. [And the last one won’t work because I’m a research lawyer for the state appellate court – not a “practicing” lawyer!] A cabin in the middle of 40 heavily wooded acres (with lots of No Trespassing signs) is beginning to look really good. But thanks, guys, for the suggestions!

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  3. Matt White Member
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    Marion Evans (View Comment):
    So if we agree that discrimination is a bad thing, what is your plan B to reduce it? Or maybe you think it’s fine.

    Public debate and condemnation are OK. We can speak out without requiring government intervention for every disagreement.

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  4. Unsk Member
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    A bit more on Leftist Religious Fundamentalism and why they can’t accept defeat civilly; from John David Danielson at The Federalist:

    “The obstinacy of Senate Democrats reflects the mood of their progressive base, whose panicked anger is the natural reaction of those for whom politics has become an article of faith. Progressives, as the terms implies, believe society must always be progressing toward something better. Always forward, never backwards. After eight years of Obama, they believed progressive politics in America would forever be on an upward trajectory.

    Trump shook that faith. But his election also unmasked the degree to which progressivism as a political project is based not on science or rationality, or even sound policy, but on faith in the power of government to ameliorate and eventually perfect society. All the protests and denunciations of Trump serve not just as an outlet for progressives’ despair, but the chance to signal their moral virtue through collective outrage and moral preening–something that wasn’t really possible under Obama, at least not to this degree.”

    “Religious fundamentalism of course rests on immutable truths that cannot be negotiated.”

    I don’t know about you, but  I just don’t get the   now  sacred and soooo… utterly profound and obviously “immutable” belief  system of the Left and I hate having it shoved down my throat, every other second.  That is why this Trump Executive Order on Religious liberty that puts  the Left in it’s place is so important.

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  5. Joseph Eagar Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    To clearly outlaw the Left’s discrimination of the religious is a very big deal and also helps tremendously in fight against Leftwing political discrimination by our government and our bureaucrats.

    Right.  I was talking about private sector discriminatory behavior, and yes I agree that public-sector persecution of religion is a worse problem today.

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  6. Joseph Eagar Member
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    Marion Evans (View Comment):
    So if we agree that discrimination is a bad thing, what is your plan B to reduce it? Or maybe you think it’s fine.

    It’s called “capitalism.”  Economic growth is the enemy of discrimination.

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  7. JLocked Inactive
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    I was beaten into a bloody pulp by 5 Nazi Skinheads when I was 15, taking a steel-toed boot in the side of the head. Left a dent that still gives me tinnitus whenever I accidentally sleep on it.

    Also older Asian women sexually harass me wherever I go. Even when I’m with my wife. I once almost lost my pants when I accidentally walked into a Bingo Hall filled with drunken 50-year-old Laotian women.

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  8. OkieSailor Member
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    Pugshot (View Comment):
    OMG – I’m a white conservative straight male who is a lawyer! What am I to do???

    You are definitely in the 5% ;-)

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  9. Patrick McClure Coolidge
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    Pugshot (View Comment):

    Pugshot (View Comment):
    OMG – I’m a white conservative straight male who is a lawyer! What am I to do???

    @patrickmcclure

    Hate yourself

    @ontheleftcoast

    Check your privilege. Constantly, while groveling to those whose sensibilities are sufficiently developed by their undergraduate studies in the XXX studies departments.
    These departments serve as training grounds for our political commissars and provide the initial cannon fodder for the groups blackshirts and brownshirts so recently seen on the streets of Berkeley. The shadowy network of organizations who coordinate and train the thugs can then select the better suited for more intensive training and greater responsibility, with which go stipends and transportation.
    Meanwhile, the less violent majority (at any rate those not selected for graduate indoctrination or hired into entry level commissar jobs in HR departments everywhere) provides a network of provocateurs and informants in every organization and workplace.
    You are being watched.

    @edisonparks

    Make your money defending the Defendant in an anti-discrimination lawsuit …. it’s a dirty job but somebody’s gotta do it…

    I don’t think I’m crazy about any of the suggested options. [And the last one won’t work because I’m a research lawyer for the state appellate court – not a “practicing” lawyer!] A cabin in the middle of 40 heavily wooded acres (with lots of No Trespassing signs) is beginning to look really good. But thanks, guys, for the suggestions!

    Great place to write a manifesto.  Would you welcome other white males?

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  10. Patrick McClure Coolidge
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    JLocked (View Comment):
    I was beaten into a bloody pulp by 5 Nazi Skinheads when I was 15, taking a steel-toed boot in the side of the head. Left a dent that still gives me tinnitus whenever I accidentally sleep on it.

    Also older Asian women sexually harass me wherever I go. Even when I’m with my wife. I once almost lost my pants when I accidentally walked into a Bingo Hall filled with drunken 50-year-old Laotian women.

    You complainin’ or braggin’?

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  11. Marion Evans Inactive
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    Joseph Eagar (View Comment):

    Marion Evans (View Comment):
    So if we agree that discrimination is a bad thing, what is your plan B to reduce it? Or maybe you think it’s fine.

    It’s called “capitalism.” Economic growth is the enemy of discrimination.

    I have been around a while. Color me skeptical. I see the argument for non-interference by the state but I doubt it will be effective to minimize discrimination.

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  12. Pugshot Inactive
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    @pugshot

    A cabin in the middle of 40 heavily wooded acres (with lots of No Trespassing signs) is beginning to look really good.

    @patrickb63

    Great place to write a manifesto. Would you welcome other white males?

    As long as they check their white privilege and can pass the entrance exam!

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  13. Patrick McClure Coolidge
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    Pugshot (View Comment):

    @pugshot

    A cabin in the middle of 40 heavily wooded acres (with lots of No Trespassing signs) is beginning to look really good.

    @patrickb63

    Great place to write a manifesto. Would you welcome other white males?

    As long as they check their white privilege and can pass the entrance exam!

    Would that be a Bar the door exam?  @pugshot

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  14. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Joseph Eagar: It isn’t possible for the government to ban discrimination any more than it was possible for it to ban alcohol, homosexuality, or gambling.

    I agree with the gist of your article, Joseph, but I’d like us to be more careful with the language. It isn’t possible for the government to ban prejudice or bigotry — attitudes held in the consciences of individuals. It is possible for the government to punish people for discriminatory behavior. The question is — should it?

    I think (for the most part) not. It used to be a compliment to say, “he’s a man of discriminating taste.” Why is “discrimination” now universally accepted as derogatory? It’s an attribute of human reason and common sense. It’s why we don’t install wheelchair ramps in baseball dugouts. It’s why this 5’3″ fifty-five year-old housewife isn’t recruited by the NBA. Heck, the government discriminates all the time!! It won’t issue driver’s licenses to the blind and it won’t accept people with heart conditions into the military. It’s called “having standards.”

    While we’re restoring American greatness, let’s restore the meaning of words the Left has succeeding corrupting, like “discrimination” and “nationalism” and “religion.” There are good and bad versions of all these things.

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  15. JLocked Inactive
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    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    JLocked (View Comment):
    I was beaten into a bloody pulp by 5 Nazi Skinheads when I was 15, taking a steel-toed boot in the side of the head. Left a dent that still gives me tinnitus whenever I accidentally sleep on it.

    Also older Asian women sexually harass me wherever I go. Even when I’m with my wife. I once almost lost my pants when I accidentally walked into a Bingo Hall filled with drunken 50-year-old Laotian women.

    You complainin’ or braggin’?

    Always both Patrick. Come on, you know this about me!

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  16. Hoyacon Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    I agree in theory, and this argument is similar to the libertarian one made by Richard Epstein in his book opposing employment discrimination laws. However, when the concept of nondiscrimination in public accommodations was made part of the ’64 Civil Rights Act, entire states practiced separate but (allegedly) equal, and there was no hope of “competition.” Try rolling that law back.

    If I understand you correctly, I might respond by saying that individuals and private organizations should have a right to discriminate that public organizations should not have.

    “entire states practiced separate but (allegedly) equal, and there was no hope of “competition.” Try rolling that law back.”

    That would be that whole “government enforced discrimination” I mentioned in comment #21. Very different thing from individuals.

    Even in 2017 America, individuals have the right to be racists/bigots [and/or leftists!]. The government doesn’t.

    That is not entirely true.  Jim Crow laws were obviously the products of governmental action, but private hotels, restaurants, lunch counters etc. were run by private sector individuals who believed in segregation and required little to no encouragement from the law.  I’m pretty confident that there were large swaths of segregated private sector facilities that operated without state encouragement.  Are things different today?  Sure, but the roots of the public accommodation laws addressed a public and private sector issue.

     

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  17. Larry Koler Inactive
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    JLocked (View Comment):

    Patrick McClure (View Comment):

    JLocked (View Comment):
    I was beaten into a bloody pulp by 5 Nazi Skinheads when I was 15, taking a steel-toed boot in the side of the head. Left a dent that still gives me tinnitus whenever I accidentally sleep on it.

    Also older Asian women sexually harass me wherever I go. Even when I’m with my wife. I once almost lost my pants when I accidentally walked into a Bingo Hall filled with drunken 50-year-old Laotian women.

    You complainin’ or braggin’?

    Always both Patrick. Come on, you know this about me!

    I know that problem with women — man, I can’t get a break.

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  18. Miffed White Male Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    “entire states practiced separate but (allegedly) equal, and there was no hope of “competition.” Try rolling that law back.”

    That would be that whole “government enforced discrimination” I mentioned in comment #21. Very different thing from individuals.

    Even in 2017 America, individuals have the right to be racists/bigots [and/or leftists!]. The government doesn’t.

    That is not entirely true. Jim Crow laws were obviously the products of governmental action, but private hotels, restaurants, lunch counters etc. were run by private sector individuals who believed in segregation and required little to no encouragement from the law. I’m pretty confident that there were large swaths of segregated private sector facilities that operated without state encouragement. Are things different today? Sure, but the roots of the public accommodation laws addressed a public and private sector issue.

     

    I’ll just repeat myself, and add emphasis.

    Even in 2017 America, individuals have the right to be racists/bigots [and/or leftists!]. The government doesn’t.

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  19. Spiral Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Marion Evans (View Comment):
    So if we agree that discrimination is a bad thing, what is your plan B to reduce it? Or maybe you think it’s fine.

    Some discrimination is good, some is bad, and some is illegal. The only people who don’t discriminate are dead people. I would not want to reduce the good kind.

    Correct.  Everyone discriminates every day of their lives.

    Examples of discrimination:

    When I set my alarm clock to wake me up tomorrow morning, I discriminate between setting it to 5 o’clock in the morning and setting it to 6 o’clock in the morning.

    If a white male asks an Asian female for a dinner date, the Asian female might decline the invitation.  She could decline because she thinks the while male is unattractive or unintelligent.  She could decline because she prefers dating Asian men.  She could decline because she is homosexual and prefers dating women.

    If a parent throws a birthday party for her child, the attendees might be all Hispanic or all White or all black, depending on who her child’s friends are.

    To eliminate discrimination is to eliminate freedom.

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  20. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Spiral (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Marion Evans (View Comment):
    So if we agree that discrimination is a bad thing, what is your plan B to reduce it? Or maybe you think it’s fine.

    Some discrimination is good, some is bad, and some is illegal. The only people who don’t discriminate are dead people. I would not want to reduce the good kind.

    Correct. Everyone discriminates every day of their lives.

    Examples of discrimination:

    When I set my alarm clock to wake me up tomorrow morning, I discriminate between setting it to 5 o’clock in the morning and setting it to 6 o’clock in the morning.

    If a white male asks an Asian female for a dinner date, the Asian female might decline the invitation. She could decline because she thinks the while male is unattractive or unintelligent. She could decline because she prefers dating Asian men. She could decline because she is homosexual and prefers dating women.

    If a parent throws a birthday party for her child, the attendees might be all Hispanic or all White or all black, depending on who her child’s friends are.

    To eliminate discrimination is to eliminate freedom.

    Well said. Very good explanation and very lucid thoughts. Thanks.

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  21. Marion Evans Inactive
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    Spiral (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Marion Evans (View Comment):
    So if we agree that discrimination is a bad thing, what is your plan B to reduce it? Or maybe you think it’s fine.

    Some discrimination is good, some is bad, and some is illegal. The only people who don’t discriminate are dead people. I would not want to reduce the good kind.

    Correct. Everyone discriminates every day of their lives.

    Examples of discrimination:

    When I set my alarm clock to wake me up tomorrow morning, I discriminate between setting it to 5 o’clock in the morning and setting it to 6 o’clock in the morning.

    If a white male asks an Asian female for a dinner date, the Asian female might decline the invitation. She could decline because she thinks the while male is unattractive or unintelligent. She could decline because she prefers dating Asian men. She could decline because she is homosexual and prefers dating women.

    If a parent throws a birthday party for her child, the attendees might be all Hispanic or all White or all black, depending on who her child’s friends are.

    To eliminate discrimination is to eliminate freedom.

    Bad analogies. Discrimination is the point of love or friendship. We choose people who are compatible with our personality. But at work, we should choose the most qualified person even if we don’t enjoy them socially, so long as they are not crazies that ruin other people’s productivity.

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  22. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Marion Evans (View Comment):

    Spiral (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Marion Evans (View Comment):
    So if we agree that discrimination is a bad thing, what is your plan B to reduce it? Or maybe you think it’s fine.

    Some discrimination is good, some is bad, and some is illegal. The only people who don’t discriminate are dead people. I would not want to reduce the good kind.

    Correct. Everyone discriminates every day of their lives.

    Examples of discrimination:

    When I set my alarm clock to wake me up tomorrow morning, I discriminate between setting it to 5 o’clock in the morning and setting it to 6 o’clock in the morning.

    If a white male asks an Asian female for a dinner date, the Asian female might decline the invitation. She could decline because she thinks the while male is unattractive or unintelligent. She could decline because she prefers dating Asian men. She could decline because she is homosexual and prefers dating women.

    If a parent throws a birthday party for her child, the attendees might be all Hispanic or all White or all black, depending on who her child’s friends are.

    To eliminate discrimination is to eliminate freedom.

    Bad analogies. Discrimination is the point of love or friendship. We choose people who are compatible with our personality. But at work, we should choose the most qualified person even if we don’t enjoy them socially, so long as they are not crazies that ruin other people’s productivity.

    This is all discrimination.

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