Dr. Spook and the Manchurian President?

 

Well, that’s a heck of a story to wake up to:

During a special briefing last Friday, leaders of the intelligence community gave President-elect Donald Trump a synopsis of unsubstantiated and salacious allegations that Russian operatives had obtained potentially compromising personal and financial information about the president-elect, a U.S. official confirmed Tuesday.

I gather that everyone who’s anyone in Washington has read the memo containing these allegations, but no one thought it was worth publishing (until now).

Some thoughts, in random order:

1. It looks as if the first publication to write about this was Mother Jones, on October 31. Here’s how they put it:

And a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence tells Mother Jones that in recent months he provided the bureau with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump—and that the FBI requested more information from him.

Let’s call the “former senior intelligence officer for a Western country” Dr. Spook, for short. Was Dr. Spook shopping this to every publication in the US? Or just to Mother Jones? Maybe Mother Jones was the only publication willing to publish it? Kurt Eichenwald at Newsweek also seems to have used the memos in his reporting. Did Dr. Spook fax his memos to every journalist in Washington? 

2. The story as it’s now being presented is that this became newsworthy because Trump himself had been briefed about it. Who leaked the story that he’d been briefed about it, and why? Why now? Apparently, “multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings” told CNN about this. How many people would have direct knowledge of these briefings in the first place? Why didn’t any of these leaking briefers think to come forward with this before the election, given that everyone in Washington apparently knew about this?

3. As Lawfare blog puts it,

… it is significant that the document contains highly specific allegations, many of which are the kind of facts it should be possible to prove or disprove. This is a document about meetings that either took place or did not take place, stays in hotels that either happened or didn’t, travel that either happened or did not happen. It should be possible to know whether at least some of these allegations are true or false.

If Dr. Spook was passing these memos to every journalist and politician in Washington as early as October 31, at least a few of the key points should have been substantiated by now, wouldn’t you think?

4. John Schindler of 20Committee says that the “GOP was informed back in the spring that Trump was a 1-man FSB kompromat machine come to life. They did nothing. This is on them now.” Was this circulating as early as last spring, then? And no one has made any progress since then in substantiating or discrediting it?

5. Presumably everyone in Hillary’s camp also knew about it, too: It was an oppo research briefing, right? I wonder what kept her from bringing it up?

6. According to the Guardian,

… the documents reached the top of the FBI by December. Senator John McCain, who was informed about the existence of the documents separately by an intermediary from a western allied state, dispatched an emissary overseas to meet the source and then decided to present the material to Comey in a one-on-one meeting on 9 December, according to a source aware of the meeting. The documents, which were first reported on last year by Mother Jones, are also in the hands of officials in the White House.

McCain is not thought to have made a judgment on the reliability of the documents but was sufficiently impressed by the source’s credentials to feel obliged to pass them to the FBI.

Who is this source? And who’s the Guardian’s source for this story, I wonder? The point of sending an emissary overseas to meet the source is to ensure that only he and the emissary knew of it. So I assume McCain authorized this leak. Why would McCain leak to the Guardian, though? Why not at least leak to a US publication?

7. The Guardian claims that as early as last summer, the FBI applied FISA warrant to monitor four members of the Trump team “suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials.” If so — what’s up with the FBI? 

8. If Trump’s the victim of a disinformation campaign, who’s behind it? Is this the intel community’s response to Trump’s claim that they have “no clue?” Hillary’s revenge?

9. It doesn’t help when yet again, Trump replies using exactly the same language the Kremlin does:

10. I don’t understand how our Deep State works. Don’t we have spies of our own in Russia? Why do we need Dr. Spook to tell us this? Why is this only being reported now?

My verdict: I’ve got no idea what’s going on, but this seems fishy.

That said: That people will believe it is Trump’s fault. His behavior toward Putin has been so sycophantic and bizarre that even an extraordinarily weird story like this sounds plausible. If Obama’s refusal to use the phrase “Islamic terrorism” convinced a significant number of Americans that he was a Muslim, the same phenomenon will be at work here — even if these memos prove to be a complete fabrication and fantasy.

It’s entirely plausible to imagine that Trump enjoyed the company of ladies of poor repute when he was in Russia. No one can say, with a straight face, “That’s ridiculous. Donald Trump is an upright and responsible married man and a faithful husband. He would never consort with Slavic hookers.” Exactly no one would be surprised if he had, and exactly no one would be surprised that the Russians taped the encounter.

Trump’s eagerness to adopt the Kremlin’s line in matters of foreign policy and his general mien of moral incontinence will be enough to convince a significant number of Americans that all of these allegations are true.

It won’t be enough for Trump to Tweet indignantly and wait for the media to bore with the story. It won’t. We’ll hear of nothing but this for years to come, I reckon.

What do you make of it?

UPDATE: The Trump Dossier: Dynamite or Disinformation? makes the skeptical case better than I did, and concludes:

In the absence of any evidence, this will do nothing but widen the dangerous divide within American society.

And here’s the irony: that’s exactly what the Kremlin wants. Whether damning proof of complicity with an antagonistic foreign power, or a piece of raw anti-Trump disinformation, at present this cache of documents is probably more effective than any number of hours of programming by Russia’s RT television station – which emerged as the star of the recent and deeply flawed open source on the hacking case – in turning America against itself.

 

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  1. Paul Dougherty Member
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    Agent Goloykov:

    Mr Trump, we have you cold on camera. The evidence is disgusting. If the American people ever found this out, you’d be throughsky.

    MAGA T:

    I don’t know what you think you have, but Merica does not negotiate with terrorists or to blackmail! Pound sand you commie bastard!!

    Agent Goloykov:

    (chuckles) I think you misread the situation, we have video of the inside of your near empty vault. You sir, are no billionaire, you are a mere millionaire!!!

    (organ punctuates the tension)

    MAGA T:

    …(sigh) what do you need me to do?

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  2. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    I don’t recognize the Python reference. It’s pretty close to a Friends reference though.

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  3. Joe P Member
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    Franco (View Comment):

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    Letting Trump retaliate with a press conference any time this sort of allegation comes up is the apotheosis of letting Trump be Trump.

    The presser was pre-scheduled.

    Oh, it was? You can hardly tell from the reporting, but I’ll take your word for it. That kinda scuttles the premise of my question that Midge was trying to answer then.

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  4. Leigh Inactive
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    I guess this stuff is delightful for NeverTrumps.

    I suspect the reaction of those who were (or for some reason still are) NeverTrumps is mixed.

    I certainly know some whose reaction was disbelief or indifference rather than glee.

    If you read the NRO people, they’ve been treating it with extreme skepticism.

    I think David French is right that it’s past time for a Congressional investigation. So far as I can tell, these are the possibilities:

    1. There really is something compromising in Trump’s ties to Russia, despite the inaccuracies in the Buzzfeed memos.
    2. There is nothing there, and high-ranking intelligence officials are trying to undermine the president-elect.
    3. Intelligence officials are legitimately concerned that Russia plans to try to undermine the president-elect, a couple people (disgruntled with his attacks on the agencies, irritated with his tone towards Putin, or just partisan) are leaking to the press, and the press are reporting it to look like #1. (For example, that briefing might have been: “Mr. President, we have evidence the Russians spread misinformation about Hillary Clinton — here’s a heads-up that they plan to spread misinformation about you, too, and we also think they may have your tax return.)

    Any one of these — or any combination — is an extremely serious matter. Let Trey Gowdy loose and get it out into the open.

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  5. Matt White Member
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    Herbert (View Comment):

    Matt White (View Comment):

    Herbert (View Comment):
    As a NeverTrumper speaking for myself, It confirms my bias…

    Do you mean you actually believe it?

    I believe the allegations could be true, we will have to let the process play out to make that determination though. So I am withholding judgement til then. It’s an explanation for Trumps actions in regards to Russia, I had assumed that he was soft on Russia due to ignorance or an attempt to protect his business interests, but blackmail would explain it as well.

    What actions on Russia? You’re thinking of speculation, not action. He’s said some nice thing about Putin, but it’s the Obama administration that has acted so far.

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  6. RyanFalcone Member
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    DocJay (View Comment):
    Boring, repetitive, and tense.

    Russian hookers?

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  7. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Cato Rand (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    False attacks on character like this, used to be fought by the entire right. Now, the right blames Trump for it.

    That’s sort of the point. Most or all of these specific claims might be fantasies, but they are not really inconsistent with what we know about his character. That’s why they’re not all so obviously implausible. Substitute Mitt Romney for Donald Trump and not even BuzzFeed or MSNBC has the chutzpah to try to run with it. Trump has “opened the door” to this sort of thing by acting like a flaming %*&)^& so much of the time.

    Cato, Bryan, it seems to me likely that the right may be divided on whether this claim is inconsistent with Trump’s character.

    Many people who are inclined to support Trump do see Trump as basically a normal guy, and likely see kinks as incompatible with normal-guy-dom. Therefore this attack may not strike them as consistent with what they know about Trump’s character: his lack of sexual restraint is at least normal lack of restraint, not that disgusting kinky stuff.

    Those less inclined to support Trump are less inclined to believe Trump really is just a normal guy, and may also come from a social milieu where kinky illicit sex isn’t any more shameful than “normal” illicit sex. For those reasons, they would see these allegations as consistent with Trump’s character.

    To me, it is all about the allegations and the way they are made. This is nothing like what Trump did. This is many people working together to slime the man. The content to me is immaterial. Maybe that is the divide.

     

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  8. Lazy_Millennial Inactive
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    Fun little side note: there’s a portion of the left that are using this scandal to bolster their argument that the press was harder on Clinton than Trump during the election. i.e., these people think the NYT et al lean right

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  9. Paul Dougherty Member
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    DocJay (View Comment):
    Boring, repetitive, and tense.

    Russian hookers?

    Russian novels.

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  10. Herbert Member
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    DocJay (View Comment):
    Boring, repetitive, and tense.

    Russian hookers?

    Maybe the ones with UTI’s?

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  11. Joe P Member
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Joe P (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Just to be pedantic, Donald Trump is accused of paying Russian hookers to pee on a bed in the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Moscow because Barack Obama slept in it and Trump hates Obama that much.

    I understand the confusion, considering that the privilege to pee on a hooker is something that can be more easily imagined to be paid for than this bizarre claim in the “report.”

    One gets the sense the report wasn’t properly peer reviewed…

    Or that it was peer reviewed excessively, if one believes the claim that this particular part of the report was from 4chan.

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  12. Paul Dougherty Member
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    This will probably manifest itself into the latest model of “Birtherism”. A small group of people are going to spend a small nation’s treasury trying to verify something that would make no material difference to the politics, truth notwithstanding.

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  13. Richard Hanchett Inactive
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    A lot of rushing to judgment, mixed with a good e

    Franco (View Comment):

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    Letting Trump retaliate with a press conference any time this sort of allegation comes up is the apotheosis of letting Trump be Trump.

    The presser was pre-scheduled.

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    But to those without a very strong preference on the normal-abnormal axis, it’s not particularly disgusting, just funny. A person who prized chastity, for example, but not sexual normality, would not really have any more reason to be disgusted by believing this rumor: everyone already knows Trump is a serial adulterer and somewhat casual about his sexual appetites – compared to that, a kink is no big deal.

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):
    Mainstream Americans prize the “normal”. They revel in Trump fighting back against ridiculous-sounding allegations of being “abnormal”. Have I got this wrong?

    Yes.

    This whole conversation is ridiculous, along with the OP.

    A whole lot of rushing to judgment, fueled by obvious biases, combined with sophomoric potty talk.

    Ricochet’s a dinner party, huh?

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  14. Mike LaRoche Inactive
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    Midget Faded Rattlesnake (View Comment):

    Joe P (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Just to be pedantic, Donald Trump is accused of paying Russian hookers to pee on a bed in the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Moscow because Barack Obama slept in it and Trump hates Obama that much.

    I understand the confusion, considering that the privilege to pee on a hooker is something that can be more easily imagined to be paid for than this bizarre claim in the “report.”

    One gets the sense the report wasn’t properly peer reviewed…

    “Golden Showers” sounds like the title of a bad Joe Don Baker kung-fu movie.

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  15. EJHill Podcaster
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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):
    Russian hookers?

    As opposed to those that slice off the tee.

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  16. Valiuth Member
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    Kay of MT (View Comment):
    BYW, those that believe in the Ten Commandants, “You shall not bear false witness.”

    Luckily Trump himself is not one of those people. I believe his favorite commandment is “an eye for an eye”.

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    EJHill (View Comment):

    RyanFalcone (View Comment):
    Russian hookers?

    As opposed to those that slice off the tee.

     

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  18. Valiuth Member
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    Joe P (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Just to be pedantic, Donald Trump is accused of paying Russian hookers to pee on a bed in the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Moscow because Barack Obama slept in it and Trump hates Obama that much.

    I understand the confusion, considering that the privilege to pee on a hooker is something that can be more easily imagined to be paid for than this bizarre claim in the “report.”

    So here is a question. If one hates Obama that much wouldn’t they want to be the one peeing on the bed?

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  19. BD1 Member
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    Anybody admitting to voting for Evan McMullin these days?

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  20. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    Mendel (View Comment):

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    If the media runs with this and it’s not true, then Trump can answer any future Russia-related media skepticism by saying, “You ran with the fabricated Buzzfeed memo, so who can believe anything you write?” And he will be right. The media better dot all of the eyes and cross all of the t’s on this, they’ve got very little time before the purge starts.

    They are. Numerous MSM outlets were provided these documents before the election, but they passed. Most of those same outlets today are intentionally staying light on the details of the allegations while playing up caveats about the allegations being unconfirmed.

    But it doesn’t matter: Trump will still hang this around the MSM’s neck no matter how cautious they are, and his supporters will take his word for it. After which Trump will then turn around and grant those same MSM outlets 2-hour exclusive, friendly interviews after his own supporters have stopped paying attention again.

    Nope, CNN didn’t pass on this story. The story was BS. Don’t believe me? Ask NBC. Incidentally, it’s amazing how accurate my assessment from this morning was:  CNN bit on the fake news, and Trump bit CNN back.

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  21. Paul Dougherty Member
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    Valiuth (View Comment):

    Joe P (View Comment):

    Umbra Fractus (View Comment):

    Donald Trump probably didn’t pee on Russian hookers.

    Just to be pedantic, Donald Trump is accused of paying Russian hookers to pee on a bed in the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Moscow because Barack Obama slept in it and Trump hates Obama that much.

    I understand the confusion, considering that the privilege to pee on a hooker is something that can be more easily imagined to be paid for than this bizarre claim in the “report.”

    So here is a question. If one hates Obama that much wouldn’t they want to be the one peeing on the bed?

    I just got a great idea for a new iPhone app, “UnThink”. Imagine steel wool for your mind.

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  22. Lazy_Millennial Inactive
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    BD1 (View Comment):
    Anybody admitting to voting for Evan McMullin these days?

    Yes. Quite happily. He’s been a disappointment since the election, but as the “35-pager” didn’t come from our intelligence services, and the “2-page summary” was presented as a “hey, this thing is floating around,” not sure how he’s particularly relevant here. Except for the always-relevant “But Hillary!”

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Nope, CNN didn’t pass on this story. The story was BS. Don’t believe me? Ask NBC. Incidentally, it’s amazing how accurate my assessment from this morning was: CNN bit on the fake news, and Trump bit CNN back.

    CNN reported on the two-pager being presented to Obama, Trump, and the “Gang of Eight”, while Buzzfeed published the 35-pager. Apparently CNN got the “presented to Trump” part wrong, which is bad, but still not Buzzfeed’s “publish the whole thing” bad.

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  23. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    Lazy_Millennial (View Comment):

    BD1 (View Comment):
    Anybody admitting to voting for Evan McMullin these days?

    Yes. Quite happily. He’s been a disappointment since the election, but as the “35-pager” didn’t come from our intelligence services, and the “2-page summary” was presented as a “hey, this thing is floating around,” not sure how he’s particularly relevant here. Except for the always-relevant “But Hillary!”

    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Nope, CNN didn’t pass on this story. The story was BS. Don’t believe me? Ask NBC. Incidentally, it’s amazing how accurate my assessment from this morning was: CNN bit on the fake news, and Trump bit CNN back.

    CNN reported on the two-pager being presented to Obama, Trump, and the “Gang of Eight”, while Buzzfeed published the 35-pager. Apparently CNN got the “presented to Trump” part wrong, which is bad, but still not Buzzfeed’s “publish the whole thing” bad.

    So, in other words, only the part in gigantic letters above Jake Tapper’s head was inaccurate? Please think for more than 5 seconds before responding.

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    RyanFalcone (View Comment):

    DocJay (View Comment):
    Boring, repetitive, and tense.

    Russian hookers?

    Those are boring repetitive and 10’s

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  25. Lazy_Millennial Inactive
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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    So, in other words, only the part in gigantic letters above Jake Tapper’s head was inaccurate?

    lol yup, at least according to NBC. I wish we’d see a CNN-NBC feud after this, but now that Trump shut up the CNN reporter all of the MSM will probably rally around CNN like they’re the American Solzhenitsyn

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  26. Leigh Inactive
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    Lazy_Millennial (View Comment):
    CNN reported on the two-pager being presented to Obama, Trump, and the “Gang of Eight”, while Buzzfeed published the 35-pager. Apparently CNN got the “presented to Trump” part wrong, which is bad, but still not Buzzfeed’s “publish the whole thing” bad.

    I’m needing more verification than that NBC report before concluding CNN got it wrong. They say the briefing was oral and they didn’t actually give Trump the documents — I’m not sure why that distinction is supposed to be important. It sounds like they didn’t cover the specific Buzzfeed memos, but their specific references from their one source (CNN claimed more anonymous sources, for what it’s worth) don’t seem to me to fully justify the headline.

    The question of whether Trump was coordinating with Russia (which was the allegation in those memos) is far more specific and more far-fetched than the basic CNN point — that Russia thinks it has material it can use to compromise or undermine Trump — which seems much more plausible.

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  27. blood thirsty neocon Inactive
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    Leigh (View Comment):

    Lazy_Millennial (View Comment):
    CNN reported on the two-pager being presented to Obama, Trump, and the “Gang of Eight”, while Buzzfeed published the 35-pager. Apparently CNN got the “presented to Trump” part wrong, which is bad, but still not Buzzfeed’s “publish the whole thing” bad.

    I’m needing more verification than that NBC report before concluding CNN got it wrong. They say the briefing was oral and they didn’t actually give Trump the documents — I’m not sure why that distinction is supposed to be important. It’s also a case of anonymous sources vs. anonymous sources.

    Again, I’m curious to hear what the Republican congressional leaders who’ve allegedly seen this stuff have to say about it.

    Can we agree that if Mr. Cohen can violate the laws of logical certainty and prove that he’s never been to Prague, that the story falls apart? Or can we just substitute another hypothetical staffer, rinse, and repeat?

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  28. Bob Thompson Member
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    Has someone said anything about John McCain’s alleged role in this of getting the info from someone and taking it to Comey? Much of McCain’s behavior strikes me as odd for a Republican leader. Did he release the name of the person who gave him the info?

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  29. BD1 Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):
    Has someone said anything about John McCain’s alleged role in this of getting the info from someone and taking it to Comey? Much of McCain’s behavior strikes me as odd for a Republican leader. Did he release the name of the person who gave him the info?

    It should be the focus at both National Review and The Weekly Standard but both do nothing but protect him.

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  30. Lazy_Millennial Inactive
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    blood thirsty neocon (View Comment):
    Can we agree that if Mr. Cohen can violate the laws of logical certainty and prove that he’s never been to Prague, that the story falls apart? Or can we just substitute another hypothetical staffer, rinse, and repeat?

    I haven’t read the 35-pager, but my impression is that it contains a number of specific allegations against several different individuals, aka several different stories. “Cohen’s Prague trip” is already being questioned/dismissed in the MSM, but I’m guessing some of the other stories (Trump’s hotel shenanigans, for example) won’t be able to be proven or disproven. Any stories that are proven or disproven will obviously influence the perception of the rest. The fact that the whole dossier was circulated during the election and the media couldn’t prove any makes it highly suspect.

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